VW ID3 1st Plus range test

[@michelmelinot]

BEVs were 62% of car sales in Norway in September! (82% if we take into account PHEV) That's mindblowing, and the ID3 was number 1!

[@michelmelinot]

Only 11.1% of cars sales are running on 100% dinosaur juice!

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

don storm We just need more chargers. Finding a avalible charger this summer was a nightmare. Well, at least I got to do some extra sightseeing.

[@nukularpictures]

@don storm Well if you have billions from selling fossil fuels you can spend billions for insensitives for ev's. So yeah not sure if I would call that exemplary. If they stop exporting all the oil we can talk about it but as of now Norways tactic is not really eco friendly.

[@remco6816]

Sweden also had a new record around 11% to 12%.

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

don storm They are expanding the charging networks. Just not as fast as the EV percentage goes up.

[@brecherxp9795]

I envy the unbelievable space for the legs in the second row. I have a Kona 64 and this is great! This seems to be a passat, if you consider legroom. This car is well designed and should be succesful.

[@TA-uj7ez]

idk its not as cool and sporty looking as a Golf so i dont think that it will be that huge of a hit. Its a hit beacause business people can get it cheaper duo to tax stuff. I am sad they stopped with the e-Golf.

[@MarkusAJ]

Compared to a Kona it's huge. But I was disappointed when comparing it to my golf. It feels way more airy, buy the leg room when sitting behind myself was not much different.

[@ludvigelmquist1288]

@@MarkusAJ way bigger inside than a golf. excatly like a passat on the inside.

[@TA-uj7ez]

​@@mjk8019 It costs 38k here in the Netherlands. And thats for the base car. So no camera etc. I am not going to pay 45k for the second model of ID.3 because a Tesla Model 3 costs 50k...

[@TA-uj7ez]

@@mjk8019 Where are u from? In my country its 50k. and im from the Netherlands (Europe) they tax cars here big time.

[@kevindearborn6965]

I think the rear drum brakes is a really smart idea.

[@MacBaerFFM]

@Richard Wood the only downside with drum brakes that come to my mind could be overheating. In my former fossil PSA, the dealer said that most of the brake work is done by the front brakes, the rear brakes are only for stabilising the car during braking. Now with the ID, we have regen and lower top speeds, I reckon that the car doesn't push the drums to their limit. Steep slope in the mountains would be interesting here, but I'm sure that regen also helps here to keep the stress on the rear brakes low. So yes, this design by VW is indeed absolutely acceptable.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@MacBaerFFM Drum brakes are really bad for aggressive driving, heavy cars, powerful motors! You know EVs... Regen helps a lot but what about cold battery and very high SoC? Drum brakes are just dumb... VW squeezing money...

[@MacBaerFFM]

Dusan Gavrilovic well, not into aggressive driving. I dare say 95 of all drivers will not note the difference. The remaining 5% can always choose a different car.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@MacBaerFFM There`s that of course. Its just that its 200hp car and its direct competitor to Gti Golf which is not even close in reality...

[@Stefan-st]

The ID3 isn’t slow. I would drive it fast, especially in and out of corners. I guess i would destroy the breaks pretty fast. Also when the EPS is on it will uses the rear breaks often. I think VW just wanted to replace some parts in the long run😂

[@MrKroolboy]

Thanks Bjørn for the test. Nice to see all the configurations compared 👍 Looking forward when you get the chance to test the Pro S /Tour model of the ID.3 with 77 kWh available energy ✌️⚡️

[@kittyvandeput8326]

I have same car plus version ,have problems with we connect services ,& showing no roadworks and traffic jams in navigation at this moment but driving it is an experience I have enough positive moments Greetings from 🇱🇺🇱🇺

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

The 19" tire circumference is only 0.6% larger compared to 18" tire The 20" tire is only 1.1% larger compared to 18" tire. Because they are the same width, the rolling resistance is very similar. A larger circumference is better for efficiency. A skinny tire with large diameter is best, such as with BMW i3 tire Fatter rubber does improve noise and comfort

[@Zereniti77]

But these tires all have the same width, so there is no efficiency-benefit.

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

Zereniti77 Efficieny benefit compared to more standard wheel sizes.

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@Zereniti77 exactly what i said

[@michelcote]

Drum brakes make perfect sense to me too !

[@wagnerwong9966]

1st.. Hows the software what they had problems with?

[@martingorbush2944]

@7:05. I can completely understand why you are confused. On Climate setting blue button meant that it is in off state. Here it mean on. Das ist nicht gut ;).

[@JAM_2024]

German complexity/overengineering doesn't translate well over to software.

[@Steil-o]

Great vid as always but I’m missing something important, so I will add it: „Mjørsa, Mjørsa, Mjørsa, Mjørsa, Mjørsa“ (hopefully that’s what u call the lake „Mjörsen“) :D

[@idkj8293]

Der ECO in the AC Menu appears always when the passenger seat is not in use. Here AC ALWAYS saves energy. The ECO in the AC menu is a more general setting for the AC.

[@martingorbush2944]

@1:26. German pronunciation is always fun to hear for me. That reminds me of my struggle when learning that language where "was" isn't "was" because it is "what" :).

[@telih]

i like that tesla makes the same interior for every trim. all these minute differences are absurd, just to make an artificial price. crazy

[@MrNikitir]

not unless supply chain and manufacturing are mature and allows it

[@elliots.h633]

Most freqently used words, Base/First, Max and Plus.

[@Flaviusbob]

I drove the plus as my first full ev experience(apart being passenger in a egolf - uber and drove a corolla hybrid ). I really like it, the smoothness of the acceleration, the response and power was great. Also very spacious and airy for the size. The ambient lights and the infotainment where great. I did not like the plastic in the doors, felt like the doors in a dacia. And also the dash display felt small and improvised. I would consider buying such a car especially in Romania it has a 10 k euro gov grant, for full ev, so the final price is something like 28 k euros for the mid spec. It is missing lumbar support dough... . Keep up the good work !

[@harsh8426]

I like the car...I am upset that it's not being launched in Canada..but omg the infotainment !! 😳

[@bokoro5624]

ID4 coming next year, N.Americans prefer suvs, says vw

[@erik5989]

It is the same in other VW cars with buttons. Some buttons light up when they are off. I think the logic is if the functionality is to turn off something it lights up when it is off, f.ex. turn off climate. And then the other way around for f.ex. turning on seat heating. I have been driving a VW for while with their new touch screens. But was still a bit confused using the ID.3 screen when test driving. Hopefully we will get used to it when we get our ID.3 and had it a week or two.

[@jonasrosengren9093]

Your consumption tests are very good. Do you also compare the energy you consume with what you charge to reach the same SoC? Another thought, it would be very interesting to know what EV's consume in typical city traffic. This is where the benefit should be as its greatest as compare to fossil cars - regenerative braking plus no motor idling...

[@kasmopaya2676]

Apart from the price, the rear drum brakes for the ID.3 are a very pleasant surprise. No rust, no maintenance, just superior. (not for the Nürburgring of course) I heard this is possible because VW cleverly uses regenerative braking for braking power. Nobody else has that, well done VW. I wish Teslas had drum brakes in the back.

[@bjornnyland]

ID3 was not made for Nürburgring though.

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@bjornnyland Indeed, beating the price of the Model 3 was the main target if you ask me and it did that very well. I want those drum brakes on my Tesla, but i think Tesla has too much power for that to work?!?

[@MultiMrrick]

2:27 did the brake pedal just move on it's own?

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@funkylosik]

sheeeet, it did!

[@bjornnyland]

Aha, it actually did it. It's easier to see it if you go to 2:23 instead. First I didn't see it because there was some loading lag if you went to the other timestamp.

[@RickRick552]

Bjorn will you review the MG5 station wagon? Do you know if it comes to Norway?

[@bonnaud_dowell]

The Tech of course is somewhere in between the Plus and Max, in terms of specs, but with 18 inch. Seems a better mix to me.

[@Zereniti77]

I don't really understand this thing of having bigger and bigger wheels in cars. You get more road-noise and harshness and the wheels/tyres are more expensive. In return you get.... what? Sportier handling? Do we need that in a family car? I know that we appreciate less noise and more comfort all the time, but we don't really need nor appreciate sporty handling when driving down a motorway or driving in cities. We don't drive winding country roads so often that it makes sense to pick our wheels for that use-case.

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

Zereniti77 Narrower wheels with large circumference is better for efficiency. That’s why.

[@Max_xaM]

@@kjellodnebreitebakk isn't the circumference the same? The tire wall just gets smaller the bigger the rim gets or am i remembering something wrong?

[@Zereniti77]

@@kjellodnebreitebakk All of these tires have same width, 215mm. Only difference is the wheel-size and the height of the tire side-wall. Bigger the wheel, lower the side-wall. And that translates to more noise and harshness.

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

Zereniti77 I was referring to your question. If the ID3 had more conventional sized wheels, with wider tires, it would be less efficient. That is why it has larger circumference & narrower wheels.

[@marcel151]

It would be really cool if you could compare an ID.3 with heatpump and an ID.3 without. Since winter is coming it would be interesting if it's worth it to order it with heatpump.

[@DG-uv3zw]

Heat pump is very useful if you camp in the car. If your car consumes ~ 18kwh in 100km, you can get to ~ 17kwh with heat pump... But that also means that you start with somewhat hot car or drive more then 100km...

[@marcel151]

@@DG-uv3zw Heatpump is always useful when it's not that cold outside. But I would be interested what you really can save in terms of kilometers.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@marcel151 Well I told you how much. ~ 1kwh for 100km average. So around 5km...10km in ideal situation...

[@bjornnyland]

As far as I know, Norwegian cars come with heatpump as standard. But it's easy to calculate yourself. The difference between PTC and heatpump is about 500-1500 W. At 80 km/h, that's: 500 W / 80 km/h = 6 Wh/km 1500 W / 80 km/h = 19 Wh/km

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@abraxastulammo9940 If you drive in city very slow, then yes, it could be higher percentage... But in practice, its not that big of a difference. If you don`t camp, and don`t drive 90% in city, I`m not sure heat pump is worth extra money...

[@olivierclement7475]

I have to say, thats an impressive amount of buttons you have to press just to reset a trip computer. Not even talking about the rest. What happend to an easy button?

[@tokepanduro7302]

Have Bjørn made a noise test for the id.3?

[@kkallioj]

Can you do a noise test on whether it's quieter with a headliner than with a glass roof, please?

[@gerritmaul890]

4:00 Maze Bottle 😂

[@Seemples]

Is the noise test to come? Can't recall seeing it if it has.

[@Basta147]

1:36 you will not have problems with rust with open brakes if you USE it ;-) just brake hard for few times once a week and you will be good...

[@bjornnyland]

That's because EVs are incorrectly designed and uses brakes intended for fossil cars.

[@jeroenvd89]

Bjørn, could you do a video about range differences when using a heatpump versus resistance electric heating? I really doubt it is a usefull option to select..

[@bjornnyland]

Not much to show. The difference between PTC and heatpump is about 500-1500 W. At 80 km/h, that's: 500 W / 80 km/h = 6 Wh/km 1500 W / 80 km/h = 19 Wh/km

[@axi789]

12:43 What is this thing in the background? :D

[@Astronomine]

Magpie (Pica pica), I suppose.

[@bjornnyland]

A truck, some bushes and Ionity charger.

[@rekulmen2000]

1860 kg, like a Ninja!!! 😂😂😂

[@martingorbush2944]

Like a fat ninja ;)

[@TA-uj7ez]

Can you turn on back camera while driving? Like on a Tesla? Or only in parking mode? Camera is very important i think...too bad its not in the base module. Nor as option :(

[@nukularpictures]

It will come in the following years. Right now it makes sense tho to just produce a limited range of options. Speeds up the production.

[@bjornnyland]

No, only Tesla has that feature. All other EVs only allow the rear camera during slow speeds.

[@JAM_2024]

@@nukularpictures they had to limit the range of options because of their massive software issues they had.

[@studi1231]

in Finland, this car cost 45,000e new and now 18,000e after 50,000km driven, so now it is right to buy an electric car in Finland

[@deas1972]

Looks like my i3 inside:-) Sheeeet:)

[@antoineleloutre3151]

Hey Bjorn, could you do a race ID3 vs e-niro?

[@Grimfanden]

I am Might impressed withe VW on this. Hige hopes for the SUV!

[@Cabbyfreak]

Was it an idea to test the breaks....low-friction tires and a heavy car....often not a great combo

[@bjornnyland]

*brakes

[@Joel-hz1so]

Can a max be configured with these 19 inch wheels. Or 20 inch wheels provided on the Max cause of heavier weight🤔

[@alexklemme]

Yes. Not as 1st. edition, but as a fast lane model.

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

I want the base models. Smaller wheels, fatter tires 👌

[@glenf4115]

Interested in the noise test with the Conti Ecocontact 6 tires as they will be my next tires for an i3. They have a sound deadening "polyurethane foam, attached to the inner surface of the tread area with an adhesive" www.continental-tires.com/car/tires/ecocontact6

[@jackseivlog3978]

i think the ID3 it good car. the only thing i dident like was the seats...

[@peterpoppe4855]

120 km/h in Norway ? Being bold...

[@andyhuckle]

Do all models have the dated looking rear pillar graphics??

[@andyhuckle]

@@mattgrant9479 agree - was thinking if the graphic was able blend in better - just looks like a sticker.

[@ACPilot]

andy huckle - It is a sticker, some ask to have it eemoved before delivery.

[@jestronixhanderson9898]

0.6% BEV sales in Australia in 2020 ! our government is asleep and in bed with big oil. See we here in Australia are so far away from the real world we are usually 15 years behind any advance in anything remotely green.

[@RON-nw9si]

€41000 in Ireland for this model. After incentives😱 VW making a handsome profit. People's car my backside.

[@jaz4280]

Tax may be a bit high in Ireland ... EV should cost the same in Germany and Ireland, for many reasons.

[@RON-nw9si]

@@jaz4280 how much for id3 1st plus in Germany?

[@MacBaerFFM]

@@RON-nw9si Configurator does not show the 1st anylonger. Starts with "Pro" over "Life", then "Business" and "Family".starting from 35.574 to 42.305 including VAT without options. 58kWh Battery.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@RON-nw9si 1st plus is around 40k without incentives. People are mental for giving that much money if they don`t get fat incentives...

[@RON-nw9si]

@@DG-uv3zw is that 40k for 58kwh battery?

[@CabrioDriving]

Good car should have ventilated seats with AC, for longer range travel.

[@neilvanmaanen1820]

Was AC turned on? See 6:37 on the video.

[@martingorbush2944]

It seems that black icon mean on :(.

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@RobvanGils]

I get 275km range with my id3 1st plus

[@Stefan-st]

7:00 That was obvious 😂 But never mind

[@forfuture9108]

Top

[@tobiasscharnberg2919]

Now only steel rims are missing 😇

[@jayubhanushali]

This is probably the one elon drove... Also Tesla coming to India in 2021 🤟🏻😎😀

[@victor555117]

03:58 Maze Bottle?

[@bjornnyland]

"Base model"

[@madengineer6833]

1:20 Multitooth (XZN) screws for the wheels? really? LOL

[@kalletaimi5094]

They might be plastic covers, i have seen similar caps on some cars

[@bjornnyland]

Probably just plastic decoration wheel nut covers.

[@madengineer6833]

​@@bjornnyland do you have an opportunity to check that? Would be interested since that would force people even more to do servicing at the official dealer because up to now, only safety-critical components and engine parts are mounted with XZN.

[@madengineer6833]

Guys you are right, found them in an VW Original parts store: shop.ahw-shop.de/vw-radschrauben-kappen-set-zb-golf-passat-polo-touran-mit-abziehhaken Thank god lol

[@UweRoclawski]

People are using smartphones for over 10 years, but VW is unable to develop a GUI that is easy to use. Software and Internet is #Neuland in Germany. Shame on my country.

[@JAM_2024]

That's because they had their software developed primarily by third party companies. Very little was done in house. That's why it's a confusing overcomplicated mess. They can't 'easily' just update the software and or build a new OS from scratch in house like many people seem to think.

[@RichterPavel]

OMG, infotainment is so terrible, i am in pain watching it....

[@JAM_2024]

@don storm that will years to develop. It's not as simple as hiring a bunch of people and throwing a ton of money into it. It's very complex and takes a lot of time to get it right.

[@JAM_2024]

@@mattgrant9479 good luck with that. Much of the software was done by third party companies. Very little was done in house by VW. That would be a nightmare to update and work on.

[@BoopBobBeep]

I like First!

[@doubledutch13]

Looks great, love to wifey

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

Animal skin in an eco car makes no sense

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

Thanas Stefanis V I think they use fake leather btw. Same as in Tesla and BMW i3.

[@nukularpictures]

Why not? Eco does not mean vegan. And since a lot of people use leather for shoes, wallets, etc. why not use it in the car?

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

@@nukularpictures because animal agriculture is one of the biggest contributer to greenhouse gas emissions, water use,land use, etc. Animal agriculture emits more emissions than ALL of transportation combined. It is in no way eco.

[@mikesmith1702]

Has VW paid for its crimes? Who would support such a criminal enterprise?

[@JAM_2024]

BMW certainly has for lying about sales figures.

[@DanLMH]

Wish it didn't look so bloated LOL

[@batraxos2]

So this one costs exactly 101.000 NOK more than my new Leaf 62 kWh. Looks like a bargain. The Leaf I mean.

[@lorenzmuller4000]

batraxos2 But the leaf also has less range, slower charging, no OTA updates and a less capable infotainment.

[@kjellodnebreitebakk]

I’ve tried both. The ID3 feels really good to drive. It has that premium german feeling to it for sure. Material wise (inside), it is not as top-notch as a Golf, but I like that they are trying to move to more eco friendly-ish/futuristic materials. Is it worth that much more over the Leaf? No, probably not. But I’m still going to choose ID3.

[@khamphaTG]

No battery thermal management --> degrade much much faster

[@boostav]

How can people be so naive? They had to cut costs on the interior in order to make the vehicle profitable, period. That's why it looks like a Dacia on the inside.