#72 VW ID4 82 kWh road trip to Arctic Circle part 2

[@FreeAgent99]

The 500 VW Managers who have been watching this series, are opening champagne bottles now

[@StrikerTube]

lmao

[@susihormon7821]

Not if they are Petrolheads. 80% of VW ist still on liquid fuel. I don not beleave those numbers in the car display. Please cross check the numbers with the charged kWh.

[@EinzigfreierName]

@@susihormon7821 Sure VW still produces a lot of fossil cars (much more than 80%). But anyone in VW knows the transistion is in progress and accelerating fast and fossil fuels have no future in the car industry. Not all companies have fully embraced this idea yet as much as VW is doing it.

[@susihormon7821]

@@EverydayRoadster So what. Ever heard of always doing the same mistake? Sorry, i never saw a chart where he shows the measures of kWh from the chargers compared to what the cars shows. The biggest problem is that in the tesla bubble you have to believe what elon tells you. There is no display in the SuC or a counter to control. Tesla is hidding lots of infos and does it on purpose.

[@susihormon7821]

@@jfolz I saw a full charging session of the id.4. the charger showed 82 kWh, but there is only 77 kWh usable. It could be the heater running for one hour. We have to watch if the carmakers show those heating lost, when the tms kicks in without any user control.

[@Rainer.M67]

Das Auto. Everytime you speak these single german words it puts a smile on my face. Love that.

[@epatto]

Ja, das ist schnell!

[@michelrey5204]

Lovely ride. Thanks a lot Bjørn for all these tests. Well done VW.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

I am glad you like the id4 it is high on my list for my next car. Plus 3 years unlimited free charging on ElectrifyAmerica. You cant beat that

[@stefankrosbacher6497]

'been driving mine for about 2.5 weeks now ... super happy indeed...

[@Stryford1]

I can't wait to see what you'll say about the new Hyundai Ionic5 with its 800 volt architecture and high charging speeds!

[@MyID3byFrode]

08:58 Info: It's the river Namsen that runs towards and out into the sea in Namsos. The valley and region is named after it: Namdalen.

[@CoolSilver]

Northern Norway is so beautiful. I'm sure living there it's just home but it's nice to see so much of it with your trips. 2021 still has so many chargers to show off and prove EVs are the future.

[@enyaq_gorm]

Really good to see. I'm swapping my model 3 for an enyaq this summer so this video was really reassuring that the Enyaq will be reasonably efficient.

[@dashcamchris]

I’m swapping my model 3 for an ID4 as well

[@o00scorpion00o]

Why are you swapping your M£ for an ID.4 ?

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@dashcamchris Why are you swapping from a M3 to an Id.4 ?

[@dashcamchris]

@@o00scorpion00o I’m tired of the Tesla Software and build quality. But I also need more space with new dog and didn’t want to wait for Model Y.

[@enyaq_gorm]

@@dashcamchris I'm the same, Tesla in car tech is not great.Bluetooth can only monitor one phone, cruise control is hugely flawed, sat nav is out of date and gets you lost. Fed up of it all

[@thumper1747]

Here in the U.K., that cost per kWh (165 NOK) equates to 14pence so basing my calcs on 3 miles per kWh, 10,000 miles would require 3,333 kwhs of energy in a typical year, that’s £465 per annum, assuming you charged on ionity all the time, which most private owners won’t. The range and top-up speeds make this a practical and attractive alternative.

[@basedw]

Love this new type of videos! Please keep it up. Getting top gear vibes and having fun. Just love watching the whole thing.

[@Bulat_B]

One of the best EVs on the market right now

[@alaneasthope2357]

At last, a legacy manufacturer who is starting to take EV's seriously. Good job Bjorn, an good job VW.

[@hirosima1984]

In what way? Range, speed? Effeciency?

[@ralfi_DE]

I am glad that you gave such positive feedback on the ID.4. Ordered the car almost a month ago and can't wait until I can finally drive it myself! Greetings from Germany :-) Btw. Love it, when you drops some German words :D

[@KasperCDK]

Me too. 10 more days :)

[@ralfi_DE]

@@KasperCDK you are Lucky 😢 I will get mine in July 2021... hopefully

[@patrickgass5707]

I should get mine in one or two weeks. Can’t wait driving it myself to confirm Bjõrn’s test results. Greetings from France 🇫🇷 and thanks for all those nice tests

[@jaz4280]

No waiting time in the UK, id4 first only, no max.

My ID.4 preliminary production week was last week... It's still not made. So maybe I get it in June instead of May.

[@mattias8039]

Great review, as always. We ordered the ID 4 1st and can’t wait for delivery! Going from a Volvo V70 -98 into the future 😆

[@philgower292]

Me too. I went from a Volvo S70 (98) to a Tesla model 3. Still have the lovely S70 as our second car, but the Tesla is incredible to drive👍

[@inebium]

Next, the skoda enyaq?

[@Mikael.Andersen]

I'm really tempted to get the Enyaq 80 plus, to me it looks like the best compromise. getting the best of VW group MEB platform at cheaper prices and access to Ionity at better rates, and also. I'm really not keen on the Tesla Tax (like iphone tax) where you pay for the top of the line/design. especially when i don't completely agree on many of the design choices of their cars. (I'm not a minimalist, so really dont like the deal with having to use the screen for everything. i like dedicated buttons for and i dont like being a betatester of software controlling essential functions of a vehicle going at motorway speeds.

[@susihormon7821]

There is no surpirse to expect. Its heavy...its a SuV. It might roll out with advanced Software from start. The biggest fail with MEB is the Winterscenario and the user can not do anything about it other than a warm garage.

[@Rampage1104]

@@Mikael.Andersen good points, i do think a lot of the extra tesla price is import taxes and transport costs, I wouldn't be surprised if the MY from Brandenburg is alot cheaper than the imports.

[@epatto]

Enyaq is more or less the same as ID.4, no?

@@Mikael.Andersen I already ordered Enyaq iV 80 and looking forward of the review @Bjørn Nyland till I receive the car thx in advance

[@ddorbuck]

so refreshing to see the charging network is great for non-tesla's in norway. Watching kyle and the out of spec videos with the ford Mach-e on the Electrify America network its a hot mess for evs using that. Looks like for non tesla's and the norway network at least has it figured out. Great job Bj0rn.

[@tucsonor]

But soon you will have 500000 Biden chargers, and that will help you out

[@Joesolo13]

@@tucsonor Lets hope so!

[@global_nomad.]

good to know that VW got somethign so right....slight refinement issues notwithstanding...thankyou for the sightseeing and music too..

[@hrrrrr2084]

You keep praising this car, it's impressive

[@thenri1]

Another great video Bjørn. One thing on the cost though; the prices are skewed towards IOnity but should of course also reflect the NoK 147 / €14 monthly charge. Depending on km / month the prices will be harmonised with the other chargers (and still be more expensive than Tesla),

[@philipptielmann]

regarding the heat pump issues there is a very good video from nextmove (in German, but I think they do subtitles) and they show that the Id3 WITH heat pump has a higher consumption than one without. so it’s obvious they have not gotten to that bit of the software (as spring and summer are coming, I guess thats good prioritization). currently it only runs to dry the air but does not extract any heat, so it runs in addition to the normal resistive heater.

[@desmoheli]

Sorry, but that video that you are refering to, was done with the very first Software Build 1.0, that has been revised two times already. This ID4 is running 2.1.

[@philipptielmann]

@@desmoheli I know, but I am pretty sure they did not focus on the heat pump, while winter was ending. i think they had enough other stuff on their plate that’s a lot more obvious to the customer

[@desmoheli]

@@philipptielmann So I think you should better think less and stay with facts that you know ;) honestly the 1.0 Version was the absolute Minimum Build that they where able to deliver the Cars. There have already been changes with 2.1 in the way the Heatpump and the Battery Heating is working, so maybe we should wait until it is tested.

[@davidcottrell570]

I believe the battery is heated with a PTC and the passenger compartment uses the heat pump.

[@ashkanmc11]

Very nice review Björn 👌 thank you. It's kinda of funny how you are more sensitive to what you eat and drink. Your viewers are concerned about your well-being. Keep up the good work bro 💪 🙏 By the way, almost 120€ charging for 2100 km. It is kinda of expensive 🤔

[@reginaldcrudstump383]

Great video Bjørn. The scenery is spectacular, I would love to do this drive myself some day.....but not in my 24kWh Leaf!

[@abarc2010]

Thank Bjorn, that was a great trip-review.. Mostly appreciate Man!!

[@aukanmeister]

That motorcycle at Klett sounds nice! 3 cylinders. Maybe a Triumph? I like all kind of vehicles. Electric, fossil (preferably old ones) cars and especially motorcycles. I don't get why anyone "hate" on other vehicles...

[@PetarDurdevic]

Agree, and that was an awesomely sounding motorcycle.

[@cbcdesign001]

Too much noise can be annoying.

[@aukanmeister]

@@cbcdesign001 Anything is annoying to someone. Even electric cars. The kid on the side of the road that smiles and laughs when you drive by, just because you are driving some interesting old vehicle, makes my day. Electric vehicles are great for everyday use, but will never be as interesting (to me) as a 1300 alfa at 10/10's. Not everyone's cup of tea, but someone else's meaning of life.

[@Neurocracy]

Guessing a Street triple 765

[@medilyesoudhini7411]

VW should add to the description of the ID4 : approved and recommended by Bjorn

[@volkerblume238]

By TESLA Björn

[@jakubchodilek6882]

Awesome more cars coming and they are ready for proper trips and staff like this. I just need to robe bank and buy one🙏

[@wanderlusttours6127]

Thanks for showcasing this beautiful video. Great work. Love from New Zealand 💟💌💜🙏

[@kittyvandeput8326]

WoW Björn, respect for your testing the id4 on roadtrip ,for me its just like the id3 a very nice and efficient car ,and No ...No cold pizza on sunday 😀 Keep up the good work and be save greetings from the netherlands 🇳🇱✌️🇳🇴

[@jonole]

The BKK/Lyse charge network (Bilkraft) actually offer volume discount and charging-bonus

[@mw24623]

Love cold pizza. Even days later. All the flavors come through. Enjoy 😉

[@rs99rs99]

Thx for this. I think I may go for it,

[@imaginingistrue4323]

cold pizza is so under rated, for breakfast as good as smörgås :)

[@geoffreyplatt9251]

For a very nice lightly carbonated water, try Badoit - it’s excellent.

[@janus911rsr]

Best music so far on a roadtrip!!!

[@jayrodriguez5785]

Never thought the day would come that adding "fuel" would be this exciting.

[@MrIbernie]

This car is so much better than the Mach-E. Good job VW.

[@MrBrandPeter]

Hey Björn, you should get one of these waving Chinese lucky cats fir your garage!

[@bjornnyland]

No need to. I have configured the light for 30 minutes now.

[@akikomii]

Wait until you get the KIA EV 6 GT for this test ...... you can bring you own microwave oven and reheat the cold pizza :)

[@Windir91]

Oh man that will be a great car

[@marks-0-0]

The ability to sleep in a car overnight while heating the interior is one of the main functions I'm waiting for in an EV. Mind you i only want a van based car so I'm looking forward to the new Kangoo MPV EV. It has to have a similar spec as the Zoe though or I won't be buying.

[@Rainer.M67]

Pray to god that sleeping comfort would never be a reason of selection

[@Karow92]

there are some well trained people in California that are doing exactly that

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Nice car, and the best thing is the Anhängerkupplung!!! xD

[@OrganicStuff1]

There is something so.enjoyable seeing him wake up lol!

[@madsrehder]

The ID4 has camp-mode! I have an ID4 myself and have slept in it with it activated :-D And it does not take as much energy as Bjørn experienced, since it does not light up the screen or lights.

[@madsrehder]

It is called "Stationary air conditioning" and is operated eg through the main screen when the car is tuned off. It appers where the seat-heating icons normally are displayed.

[@bjornnyland]

Only runs for 30 minutes.

[@familiedegier7072]

Nice drive & video, thank you👍

[@Qvazar82]

16:28 "Volkswagen claims to have enabled battery heating when navigating to a known fast charger." That aged well. No ID before MY2024 and ID Software 4.0 has any preheat of battery before charging and will only ever heat the battery up to 0°C with the latest software update 3.2, but can now charge with up to 175kW in perfect conditions. Would be interesting to see a comparison of the 2024 ID.4 and an updated 2021 model.

[@frisowiggers5265]

Love your music at the end of the Arctic circle trip.

[@byrnedes]

Great video series. Informative and entertaining.

[@AnthonyWoodruffe]

I spent about 10 minutes in the ID4 and immediately reached to conclusion I#d have ordered one over the Model 3 if it was available in 2019. However, that's only because I think more work has gone into it than the ID3.

[@villejuntunen5851]

Bjorn, guesstimate, 1 million EV miles under your belt, done or coming? Like a Boss.. 👊

[@AA-qg2hu]

Flavoured water review whilst driving a car 👍

[@DJ-yh8hm]

I literally just finished watching the first part haha

[@Morten.Bremvåg]

Same ;D

[@scratchy996]

Cold pizza after a long night, reminds me of college :)

[@Morty1702]

@9:00 min the river is called Namsen, it ends in Namsos.

[@olabergvall3154]

16.05 that's some awesome scenery!!!

[@bjornnyland]

16:05

[@absurdalny]

@@bjornnyland Norway at it`s best!

[@austin2planks]

Late to the VW party as ruled them out due to dodgy software and interiors, but giving the facelifts serious consideration. Really intrigued by your top buffer calculation, which shows same top buffer size as my e-Niro... but I understand these cars degrade capacity while the Niro still has is 64kWh useable after over 3 years. Why are the VWs degrading range? Do they not sacrifice top buffer, or is it theore aggressive charging curve? Or something else? You've not done a degradation test on an old Niro - maybe because they don't? Would love to see a video on that because with the possible exception of MG the Korean 400V cars seem fairly unique in this.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

id 4 looks dope i drive an leaf

[@Felix-no7nx]

The ID.4 and ID.3 is build in Zwickau near Leipzig in Germany, try to pronounce the two cities! XD

[@Siggi.R]

No camper mode implemented? Man it should be on the spec book

[@andersrasmussen1985]

Ved ikke om du har svaret på det før, men en test af Skoda Enyaq er det din plan 🤗

[@ruinert]

neppe særlig interessant annet enn vise forskjellen på dem..

[@TheMickeyDK]

@@ruinert Absolut veldig interessant fortsatt - spesielt fordi Enyaq finns i andre utgaver, ID.4 gjør ikke

[@pusula9]

Is that possible to compare ID4 & Enyaq sometime?

[@KD__.]

Great review 👍

[@ghidora1984]

Nice car, Hope they keep updating the software, Ive heard they plan OTA updates every 12 week.

[@Demobot1]

That will be nothing less of a minor miracle if VW could pull that off.

[@Demobot1]

@@e-redj I am not saying they won't do it, just that it will be very difficult. VW isn't a software company and they don't even make their own software yet. But if they can execute on 12 week OTA intervals then that is a feather in VW's cap.

[@chriss2295]

Bjorn just sold a lot of ID4s for VW. You better get paid, Bjorn. Shiiiiaaaattt!.

[@JohnPadgett]

I've sat in both the ID4 and Enyaq side-by-side and ended up ordering the Skoda Enyaq. Same power train but a much higher quality interior and more kit for your money. Also in my opinion an overall nicer looking car.

[@arbinekotxikie]

Is there any perceptible difference in trunk size? I know enyaq has better official numbers but i don't know if it's so much of a difference. Thanks in advance!

[@JohnPadgett]

@@arbinekotxikie from what I can remember both cars had very similar impressive boot space but the Enyaq looked large to the eye. The shape of the boot seemed better / squarer and it also had a flat floor to edge.

[@bjornnyland]

Was the price on Enyaq higher than ID4?

In Finland ID.4 and Enyaq cost about the same, but Enyaq is way more configurable. For example you can have ID.4 1st / Family level accessories plus Travel Assist (for about 300 EUR extra). I took that option. I remember Bjørn said that Travel Assist was the only thing he missed from 1st Max after driving lower budget 1st.

[@JohnPadgett]

@@bjornnyland it depends on what options you choose with the Enyaq. But when I priced the ID4 Tech next to the Enyaq with almost all of the options available included the Enyaq was around 30 000 sek cheaper. Skoda gave me a good discount to close the sale as well.

[@nicolassiffert2165]

awaiting Skoda enyak iv !

[@Arne_Andersen]

ID4 need a camping and dog mode

[@kasmopaya2676]

And a supercharger network. (but that is already announced)

[@SamuraiTacos1]

@@kasmopaya2676 electricity America in the states but can be unreliable lol

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@SamuraiTacos1 Yea, but without plug and charge and really reliable network, I cant recommend or buy them. For me a good EV has has a perfect charging network. VW/Audi/Porsche agree and build a own "supercharger network" now.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

@@kasmopaya2676 yep i got a leaf most charge from home if you can

[@supersonic79]

I’ve calculated that if you left 100% Smartphone unattended while you went to the restroom at a UK service station, you would definitely have 0% Smartphone on return from the restroom. 😄

[@Sp1k3e]

VW while transfering funds to Bjorn: "It should not be obvious advertisement".... Bjorn: makes an advertisement

[@ScarVEN3]

Instead of the weights on the seat, you could plug in the seatbelt.

[@bjornnyland]

Already did it. But it's not enough (already shown in the video). You have to be both buckled up and have weight on the seat. Trust me. I have tried everything.

[@bobspurloc]

so tempted to toss the Q7 for an AWD ID4... not liking the +$5k just to have premium self leveling cornering headlights like the Q7 has though. grrr. Mach-e though... sigh...

[@rjha7182]

Hi Bjorn, when do you think you are going to test the Skoda Enyaq? Must be quite similar to the ID.4, but still very curious.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

i love the camping in a ev

[@robek3715]

Couldnt agree more with you regarding the noise - Old school bikes I can deal with, but newer noisey 'super bikes' and anyone who modifies their car exhausts to make them louder can catch Covid as far as I am concerned xD

[@m.haniffalaqiah6276]

13:55 the sound of the bike is not annoying for me, that eargsm for me, but for you is annoying. Fossil and electric for car or bike is nice. I like both. No hate..

[@robsmith1a]

The charging speed you are getting would be dreamland a few years ago. Part of the reason I sold my Zoe is because the 22kw max rate would be very out of date in a year or two.

[@iacomus23]

Can you comment on what its like to drive in icy roads with just the rear wheel drive version please?

[@off-roadrcaddict4572]

Great trip and nice to see the reality of owning an EV.

[@brecherxp9795]

VW hat da gute Arbeit geleistet, sowohl mit dem ID3, als auch mit dem ID4. Ne Menge ist sicher über Softwareupdates in den Griff zu kriegen, das Grundkonzept passt!

[@Siggi.R]

Why the battery in evs are not isolated. I mean for cooling, there is a coolant, anyway, and what is the effectiveness of air-cooling in summer anyway. But heating it results more energy storage. So isolated battery should be more efficient? What do you think guys.

[@bjornnyland]

Tesla had isolated battery packs since 2013.

[@Siggi.R]

@@bjornnyland you mean now it is not anymore isolated?

[@pasi2305]

I don't undestand why most of EV-manufacturers wont put "camping mode" -option on cars. That spoof you have to do with weights and shit is ridiculous.

[@EinzigfreierName]

Because almost noone beside youtubers really camp in a car :-)

[@desmondobrien68]

Cold Pizza 🍕 on Sunday! Nice shiiiiiitte 😆

[@lvermei]

Too bad the Ionity discount is not everywhere. No ( = 0) discount in the Netherlands :(

[@raywave1231]

Biggest flaw with Id4 is rear headroom. I had to cancel my order just because none of us men in our family (me and my two teenage boys) who are about 1,90 m long can fit in the rear seat without scrubbing our heads against the roof. Who was all that rear legroom meant for? People with really long legs and dwarfed torsos?

[@commanderroddi7742]

Cold pizza the next day is the best!

[@mortense8858]

The car is software limited to 125 kW charging. I heard that 170 kW will be unlocked later...

[@DG-uv3zw]

Every battery charging is limited by software lol... its just a question how much can battery take in the long run...

[@mortense8858]

@@DG-uv3zw I know but I believe you get the essence of the text... 😉

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@mortense8858 I know...

[@szabipene932]

When you test the new Dacia Spring?

[@Bashi88]

Yes! That is what a common man wants to see!

[@kasmopaya2676]

Push for Dacia Spring, we need also affordable car tests.

[@bjornnyland]

When Spring comes...

[@kasmopaya2676]

@@bjornnyland Thank you!

[@rogeriogomesosorio4755]

It still lacks a bit more of real life range (efficiency), power and AWD... but for a first try, is quite good. As always, great job with your test.

[@ragnarolsen]

Hej Bjørn. Tak for alle dine videoer. Kan du lave en video hvor du camperer i en Skoda Enyaq ?

[@dragospahontu]

Škoda is better

[@richardgoldsmith7278]

... and in the USA one would suppose, too.

[@Starfox-zg4tk]

My friend did u use a tire chain

[@hanso2136]

Will You do these tests with the smaller battery packs as well?

[@o00scorpion00o]

The driver should be able to choose whether they want to preheat the battery or not. This isn't rocket science. The option should flash up on the screen to preheat the battery yes or no, simple.

[@bjornnyland]

MG ZS EV can do this, as the only EV. Not even Tesla allows it fully manual.

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@bjornnyland I think the driver should be able to choose if they want to spend what could be significant time at a charger with a cold battery or not.

[@volkerblume238]

Interesting, in which cases would you considder to turn on the battery heating manually?

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@volkerblume238 I would turn on the battery heating before I reach the next charger because cold batteries can add significant time to a charging session which today in 2021 is unacceptable when some cars already have battery heating it should be used also to speed up charging and not just exist to only allow max regen and acceleration, that can be controlled automatically buy the cars computer but should also be option not to heat the battery to save energy for short distance. The car should be intelligent enough to pop up the option "do you want to preheat the battery for fast charging, rapid charging, DC charging" whatever People want to call it.

[@stennordenmalm1735]

...so the "Pizza cold gate" does exist?

[@manukahoney3442]

Could you do this challenge also with the Ionic classic? I wonder, how competitive this meanwhile rather old car still is.

[@patthanaXaykosy]

Hi, I have ID4 how can I sleep on the car and the engine still working?

[@mathewhugar]

Well done ! When you do the banana box test, can you add also the dimensions of the entries? While you can add many small boxes, which is the largest box you can put inside? As an example, my car's largest entry, the trunk, is (l x h) 120cm X 92cm and all items below this side can be put in the car. Can you can try a giant (180X200) Ikea mattress, or a LED TV box, or a MTB box test as well ? :)

[@tydlig]

There is also a higher consumption since you arent using a true camping mode when sleeping in an ID3/4. Tesla probably shuts off many unneeded functions to only maintain the heating/ventilation etc.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope, it's the same. The reason for high consumption probably has something to do with the heat pump not working optimally. Maybe it's running PTC heater.

[@volkerblume238]

@@e-redj Are you sure that you can not combine the PTC and Battery Heat with valves as input for the heat pump. I would always construct it like this in order to benefit from the battery dissipation.

[@TheMickeyDK]

With the dumbbells on the drivers seat, the heated seat was still on - it doesn't take much, but every little helps...

[@o00scorpion00o]

It would be great if the rumours turn out true that VW will increase charging power for the id.3 and 4 later in 2021.

[@susihormon7821]

It would be even more great to start building low wind friction cars like station wagons. Going in a SuV as BEV is not the right Box...its a huge mistake

[@constructioneerful]

I wonder if VW change the charging curve after gathering evidence of battery degradation like Tesla did?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes, that's most likely.