Rise of the Phoenix: ADV Moltres' Journey from BL to OU

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

Also as someone with basically 0 knowledge of ADV OU outside of your videos, it'd be interesting to see a video on weird/unconventional mons like Jynx that aren't even remotely close to OU now, but had solid niches in ADV OU.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

not to worry, we will absolutely get to the intricacies of the niche-but-worth-using pokes like jynx

[@Munby1]

hoping that includes some of my favourite BLs, medicham, houndoom, dodrio

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

​@@Munby1 medi and doom, definitely. dodrio unfortunately is more gimmick tier (a la slaking) but that will have a place on this channel as well

[@sandwedge]

as someone who played advance back in the day, this is super weird and cool to see!

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

TWO BKC videos in one week? What a time to be alive. Excited to see the history, it's good to put this on play while exercising!

[@Matteo_Consiglio]

Great content as ever, and this time the audio was good too ;)

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

glad to hear it man, I tried to keep your car in mind while recording this time

[@Matteo_Consiglio]

@@BKCplaysPokemon lol this time i watched your video from my computer, but i'll try it in my car as well ;)

[@TheBrownestFalcon]

Last, I really appreciate that you-a very skilled and well-respected player-point out you're not talking trash about players of old when you talk about how Moltres/Latias/whatever mon now are accepted to be better/worse than they were back in the day. The meta changes as you noted, and people discover new sets/team options/etc., which can totally change how a mon is used and how viable it is. Mega Mawile wasn't busted IMMEDIATELY in Gen 6 OU, but after a while and when sets like SubPunch were discovered as ways to blow past conventional answers like Heatran, Mega Mawile became broken. Does that mean that prior to the Mega Mawile ban or even between the previous ban (Mega Metagross I think) and Mega Mawile's banning, top-tier players in Gen 6 OU were just bad for not realizing how good it was? No!

[@myreneario7216]

31:13 "And this is a perfectly fine physical offense team. Nothing you can really shit on too hard." Yes, you can.

[@tilmania361]

funny how moltres was underestimated in adv just as in sm where it rose to uu bco stall. still with and offensive set like flyinium z it can shred thru teams just bco its great stabs. if it just had no guard, good lord lol

[@Alexcoman51]

I’ve seen it crush OU too

[@oqo3310]

And it's ou now

[@Eltipoquevisteayer]

Imagine if it also had inferno and focus blast

[@cameroncookl7942]

Moltres is my favorite of the bird trio. It feels like the one burd no one talks about because articuno is pretty and zapdos is good, but I've always preferred moltres. I'm glad it's being recognized as good.

[@fanyfan7466]

Great video! Looking forward to more.

[@typhlosion108]

Love your vids, never knew how deep this rabbit hole went

[@kaif4693]

moltres getting the love from kevin

[@marianosimoniglesias]

Waiting for the Moltres Vs Zard video Edit: I check the channel but don't find one

[@gatotsuzero5947]

Glad to see BKC show some love for the Blazing Flying Chicken. Good video as always. Maybe consider covering a replay in a bit more depth when you show an example of pokemon in use. It feels a little short handed when we get to those parts and they are very useful for reinforcing the points you make earlier in the video. I get that you'll want to show several to cover all the bases but maybe one really strong example first with a more in-depth look then some others where they go by at the pace you did in this video.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

this is something I'll definitely keep in mind, I figured I hit on all the points in this video but I see now that more focus on a single replay would absolutely help to make the point as clear as possible. appreciate it, glad you dug the vid regardless

[@thatdankguy5140]

Yes! I was excited to see this one.

[@coachsavouras]

And i was like why the fuck people started talking more and more bout moltres after all those years, now i know.

[@shortpitched713]

Awesome video! ADV is damn cool, even if I really don't get may of the intricacies, as a GSC player. For a follow up, in a very similar vein: Jynx GSC. Bonus points if you include some reps against Ch01W0n5h1n.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

gsc jynx definitely deserves its own video, thanks for the suggestion

[@kstiemsma]

Hey Kevin, really enjoyed the video! Wanted to ask, a couple of my friends play RSE Battle Tower and use sub protect wisp with morning sun as a PP stall. Anything like that worked in RSE OU?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

hmm I don't think so unfortunately. it can only sub a few times in sand, morning sun is bad recovery, and it's still going to lose to blissey. toxic over wisp won't get you too far since without hp grass you lose to refresh pert. protect or sub/wisp/fire blast or fthrower/hpgrass is a good set, sunny day/wisp/morning sun/flamethrower works on weather clearing teams, but I don't think it can go any further than that

[@IschmarVI]

late replay but while the sub stall birds are really awesome in the battle frontier, there is unfortunately a few things in competetive overused that really hold them back: 1. all opponents have max PP-ups. While you can go protect→sub→protect→sub→protect against an enemy rock slide user in the frontier and still be at 75%, its not so smooth against 16 PP slides. You have to go sub→protect x4 instead which reduces your health to 50%, which makes you more vulnerable to potential double-edges etc. afterwards. 2. and much bigger: permanent sand completely nullifies lefties recovery. In level 50 frontier/battle tower challenges, tyranitar doesn't exist but in OU, its basically everywhere. In sand, you cannot even fully PP-stall a single rock slide because you will die from sand damage after stalling the last PP. Also, sand reduces morning sun heal. I've been messing around with a team that tries to get rid of Ttar and then rain dance to enable curse snorlax and sub protect zapdos and while it is definitely fun to use, the PP stalling doesn't always work that well. It can still be nice and substitute and protect are still good moves in their own rights, but pressure PP-stalling with it it is simply not reliable enough to be a viable core strategy imo.

[@GaymerSunday21789]

I know this is an older video and I know that this will not matter and I’m just pointing it out, but on the magneton offense example you made, Rest Gyarados is a decent check. But it goes to your example if something is forced to rest defensively then it’s on the back foot. So it still stands but it’s still an option

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

if it's so easily exploitable then it's not really a good option, that's the whole idea

[@michaelnappa8244]

Sorry haven't watched this in full yet. Just here to spout some verbiage..."Zard more viable than Tres"...Charizard needs the love too! (my opinion) same typing and too good of a speed tier and movepool to get neglected! sucks not getting will-o-wisp for phys offense, but that move can get kinda shaky with the accuracy anyway. I like Zard's unpredictability and speed so it can tie Zapdos/Flygon/Salamence/Celebi/Jirachi, unlike Moltres - Fire/Flying is the bee's knees at any rate. (nice defensive properties and STAB is great on the special move) Blaze is entirely better than Pressure, as well...Charizard wins the Gengar match-up from near full health due to it. Zard is fast enough that it can switch out when low (in Blaze) and pick and pop shit in double switch or revenge-like fashion with 1.5x more damage at that point, it is a lovely thing. (throw in the 10% burn on the Cune/Pert/Starmie and it gets crazy - I am assuming Fire Blast , so 85% accuracy is the upfront risk to all of this.) Thank you for shedding light on Moltres so we get how this Phoenix Bird works, which is a lot like how the similarly-typed Flame Lizardon could work for a team, defensively/offensively too.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

these are absolutely legitimate points, zard is also a great pokemon. I plan to do a charizard vs. moltres video in addition to giving zard his own

[@dantecadiz5353]

Nice bird video, kacaw

[@mycatsnameisdash]

Why Are duplicate items allowed in adv? Weren’t there rules against that in the games

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

not in link battles, no

[@adedede1]

Is great to see Moltres getting some recognition. Moreover, in these days I've made an Emerald Battle Frontier team around PP stalling Moltres, and it has the potential to beat my previous record. If interested check it out on my channel or here for the post with exportable: www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gen-iii-battle-frontier-discussion-and-records.3648697/page-6#post-8267514

[@IschmarVI]

sub+protect on zappy and moltres is awesome in the frontier. You are not only not losing to rock move users anymore, you can actually switch INTO them (on earthquake). So satisfying

[@cactu]

man why are u moving the screen for a minute straight at 30:00 u are making me dizzy

[@CoralReaper707]

He was trying to adjust the screen.

[@cactu]

Lmao why do you keep putting leftovers when the Pokemon dont even have moves

[@vedremo9240]

It s a shame to see legendary pokemon trios being weaker than normal ou pokemon