ADV OU Team Analysis: Star's Hariyama + Marowak Balance

[@terminatedtag930]

Guys I made a playlist of all of BKC's Podcast like videos kzbin.info/aero/PLfzZRttG03XZn-tppj6_RwHVsBtMQ0HQX There was some other dude who did this as well but he had a bunch of videos missing and had a lot of visual heavy videos in there as well and has stopped updating them, so I went in there and I made one myself.

[@DontCryJustJeskai]

You're a gentleman and a scholar

[@jackdemoguitar]

“You don’t have to use girafirig do be innovative” Very true, wish more people got this. Even something like using a slightly different move set or ev spread with a standard team can surprise an opponent enough to get an advantage.

[@Mimi-qe7qz]

Example in Gen 8, Nature Power heatran, Bulldoze ferrothorn, gunk shot toxapex

[@mxri2019]

@@Mimi-qe7qz or toxic + gastroacid and I can’t remember if whirlpool blocking worked on magic guard.. but if so use it cause this goes on a toxapex. (At least I think gastroacid though it may be another poison type move haven’t used it in a while). Basically it was to beat clefable by toxicing the clef. Letting the toxic turns tick as it’s trapped then using gastroacid to remove magic guard and all the turns of toxic actually count so it’ll deal max damage

[@webster1211]

BKC's hour-long videos are like college lectures, except they're actually enjoyable to listen to.

[@thesprinkler7893]

You can find some interesting lectures from dif universities right here on YT

[@sliftyy]

​@@thesprinkler7893got any recommendations?

[@oqo3310]

33:07 For more immersion, I went to the bathroom at the same time.

[@RNGesus-il6lv]

The one dislike was from girafarig

[@agata6337]

and the second is from skarmory

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Great video as always, rooting for the next video to be the dugtrio video and why it’s not overbearing.

[@finally2]

watching bkc's videos makes me feel strong like marowak

[@Resener1]

I just finished a game with this team where a guy's starmie missed my hariyama before a guts boosted hidden power bug OHKO'ed it. The guy then told me that hax ruins this game. It gave me immense satisfaction to then reply with the calc that shows that this hariyama lives that hit 100% of the time even at 65% with the spdef investment. Love the team.

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

sick man

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

altho tbh i complain abt HAX all the time too hehe

[@Rainer2424]

Not 100% of the time because of crits technically 🤓

[@H3nzWatermess]

Great video man always love to see innovation in ADV! And a great history lesson for more recent players such as myself. Something I really like about that team is how you have both focus punchers alongside starmie, you successfully divide up all skarm sets since skarms with toxic get shredded by strong focus punches, while if they are drill peck they find it immensely difficult to get its layers vs defensive starmie. overall just a really clean balance of passive and punish which really is the make or break for these starmie balances I find. The only issue I have with these kinda yama + wishmence + starmie kinda teams can be really taken advantage of by offensive celebi and jirachi sets, but hey, you cant always cover everything! Also just a quick question, is there any extra reasoning for running 270 on celebi, i feel like if you have wishmence then you dont need to creep heracross like that since you have the very greatest hera counter in adv. maybe i missed something.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

thanks for the comment, you're spot on about the skarm coverage. I believe I mentioned it in the video but celebi absolutely needs to be fast for offensive suicune. the backup against hera certainly doesn't hurt since wishmence can have trouble against lefties sd stuff.

[@H3nzWatermess]

@@BKCplaysPokemon ah true yes i can see that speed helping massively especially vs sub suicunes theres nothing more frustrating then losing to a sub cm suicune all because it simply 1v1s celebi. thanks for the reply, i hope you get the chance to do more videos like this in the future!

[@sandrahwu]

Hairy Ama and Mario Wak are my favorite Pocketmen.

[@wertyxq3468]

Did you just made me picture a Hairy Yama?

[@sandrahwu]

@@wertyxq3468 My innocent mind did not know what/who a Hairy Yama is, but when I looked it up just after I saw your comment, my innocence was shattered.

[@Lumix_Corrupt]

Hairy mama

[@raviolieothedisgustingsupe4504]

hariyama seems like such a good mon, why is it so low in viability? every appearence ive seen it in, it puts in huge amounts of work

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it's not exactly low in viability - everyone who plays adv knows and values what yama can do. it's just not that easy to slap onto a team, which is what holds it back in comparison to higher-ranked pokes.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Probably cuz bulk speed

[@deeznoots6241]

Its a bit of a luxury, some teams can afford the luxury but others will have massive weaknesses if they pick Hariyama over a crucial element of the team

[@wertyxq3468]

Very interesting to see BL mons in action

[@bertoldopleari7779]

this team is a work of art

[@autumnwitchmaple]

This was the team in sample teams that made me say "Okay, maybe I *will* play ADV" instead of just "Wow, ADV seems like a really cool metagame" and this video has made it sooo much easier to understand why it exists. I'm on my second full watchthrough of hopefully many. Thank you for the lesson.

[@freezerman7109]

Commenting for algorithm (and ADV hariyama ofc).

[@gye5660]

Nice vid bro, hopefully we see GSC action too

[@Colteor7761]

Thanks for the in depth analysis BKC, you're an inspiration for me to get better at adv and using this team will help a lot in that regard! Semi related question, is protect usable on offensive Swampert? I've tried dropping eq or focus punch for it since the little bit of lefties is nice for Aero, but I'm not sure if the trade off is worth it.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it can definitely be worthwhile as long as you're solid against bliss. use defense evs to make the most of it.

[@jacksonsmith2955]

(Comment for algorithm) For some reason I got my hands on a huge box of extra cheesy goldfish, and I was like what the hell, no reason to let them go to waste, so I started eating them while watching a BKC video, and I ate half the box without noticing by the time the video finished. My stupid ass then proceeded to do the exact same thing like 3 days later, and now whenever I see a BKC video I start craving extra cheesy goldfish, which feels childish. I then realized that I'm watching hour and a half long pokemon analysis videos and resigned myself to my childishness. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[@EndingNote111]

your videos truly feel like pokemon uni lectures lol

[@Werelight]

Mystery dungeon music remains the soundtrack to my brain

[@oopsalldeoxys5060]

man Hari is actually really good

[@evangervais4001]

Babe wake up new BKC vid

[@reaper7910]

BKC saying watching this during Zoom class is fitting since I literally skipped class to watched this video

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

You shouldn’t be proud/brag about that

[@brianronan1905]

Ever try Rhydon in the Marowak slot on this team? You lose a bit of power and ability to emergency check Zapdos (and other special threats with water/grass coverage), but the longevity of leftovers and STAB Rock Slide is very nice. Love the Sub + 3 attacks Rhydon set with para support like this, sub + SD is good too but megahorn behind sub is great for the Celebi weakness of this team

[@graylyhen9490]

Great comments on what innovation is. Optimization, expected value, and cleaner gameplay is what innovation can be. It's not limited to just XD Pachirisu XD. I think a good sign that someone is talking out of their ass and only superficially cares about a game is when they say "yeah but it's just the same stuff every time there's no diversity" with nothing else to add. Look at the changes to RBY around moves like Sing or Eggy. Innovation doesn't mean making a Pimpnite video title for something like Watchhog

[@jayplay8869]

I wish alolan got shadow bone in let’s go. It was just flat out wrong it got missed. Would have been a staple I think on teams.

[@pichuflash2769]

I remember messaging you on discord, talked about lead marowak paired with magneton.

[@FedEx867]

Great video.

[@NamelessP-wv6lf]

Great video!

[@sinjihnsmith74]

I just watched the fly an hour before this video dropped

[@alessandroparducci4952]

OT: did lanturn finally break into ou viability?

[@tecul1]

Sadly, no

[@driftinggecko8329]

It still has a 0.47% usage rate. So, it might be awhile.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@driftinggecko8329 up from 0 before it’s breakthrough!

[@driftinggecko8329]

​@@fulltimeslackerii8229 We still need 4.53%. At least some progress has been made.

[@harb1ng3r82]

it got used in spl and won, it's a sample size of 1 but it has in fact been used seriously at the highest level of play

[@mylorddio8272]

Question: wouldn't Double Edge be better in every non Skarm match up?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

not at all, focus punch hitting waters just as hard as eq while also hitting flyers is excellent. double edge doesn't do anything too notable.

[@swampy725]

Marowak gang

[@EvilApple567]

Kind of surprised no HP Ghost, guess Gengar isn't as prevalent in Adv anymore or Celebi just washes them w/out a direct counter

[@sophiawilliams8650]

gengar really doesn't wanna lose it's lefties

[@shady8045]

@@sophiawilliams8650 oh yeah, cause of sand. I see

[@jacksonsmith2955]

Context on trauma helicopter?

[@Czechmate88]

Bathroom break ends at 34:50

[@shady8045]

I really hope Marowak joins the meta like jynx did in GSC and isn’t just a fad

[@yourdagan]

The only real niche for Marowak is Baton Pass, and counterteaming typical stall.

[@11_turtles]

A possible video idea could be like, "What if sand storm boosted Sp.D in ADV"

[@smoochywalus3876]

Update from the future: Charizard is now established as OU and Yama will probably become OU in the future

[@siddheyapatil7316]

Nice vid

[@hattruck8607]

Real bathroom break content

[@RenrenYGO]

hariyama gang

[@bigjoncash4297]

what is the relationship between hp and defense evs?

[@yourdagan]

Defense EVs have a bigger impact for a given defensive stat than HP EVs do. HP EVs yield less resistance if you pick one or the other; the advantage is that it helps both defensive stats rather than just one.

[@jacobwhiteman4357]

Does jirachi run -speed because of wish? (I don't know much about ADV)

[@acc3209]

Sky tower theme

[@DavideKuras]

Lol i love the start of the video the only community of competitive (not showdown) is FSG channel and honestly the people who comment are... Not smart?

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Casual is the word you’re looking for

[@DavideKuras]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 yeah that try to be competitive expert without even playing competitive

[@tecul1]

that's for blunder

[@DavideKuras]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 btw if you want to laugh to people that insult smogon go on how good was cacturne actually?

[@santasangre996]

do move power and base attack stat have the same impact on damage calculation?

[@Colteor7761]

I think move power matters slightly more. Generally just use the damage calc for this stuff tho

[@cactu]

been trying this team out on ladder at 1300-1400 rating and i keep losing really terribly against CM celebi and CM suicune that has rest

[@OneMoreDesu]

Please introduce me to your friend trauma helicopter

[@kuma4384]

maro is still better than flygon

[@tecul1]

truuuuu

[@sephikong8323]

I am always just wishing Flygon got more stats. Even with a Band, it doesn't hit that hard. Even defensively invested, it isn't that durable despite it's typing and ability. And Mixed sets are just not threatening enough. Flygon has so many good traits for it (not affected by Spikes and Sandstorm, very good speed, excellent movepool, versatility) but it just doesn't have the raw stats to make it work that well, at least not anymore imo. And if that's already true in ADV, for other generations that's just a thousand times worse (ffs, if it's still viable in OU in gen 4 it's mostly because it was one of the very few dragon to not get banned, because it wasn't strong enough (plus U-Turn). If only it got just a bit more of a leg up ....

[@kuma4384]

flygonsux l

[@tecul1]

The decline of Flygon in ADV OU

[@tobecontinued987]

as someone who loves flygon I unfortunately have to agree. cool mon but stats are kinda meh

[@marcorossi2854]

HARIMAMA

[@Deredeo13]

Fakes won the nickname battle. Tyranitar will take you to the edge

[@giddelnicholas1663]

Hello friend how are you

[@lukeyilonen]

stop shittalking Girafarig

[@Imissmyoldusername]

Poor girafarig. At least use something totally unviable like magikarp as your example instead of the sad palindrome giraffe

[@urhereimnot2743]

Yo

[@Sweetjellydonut]

Algorithm moment

[@polilord]

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[@doriangray8692]

Just got to this level? I've always said a real trainer turns a fearow into a HoHo... OR A MASTER TURNS WEEDLE INTO ONIX >:/ !! But! That alone isn't even enough to be the best. To be the best requires greater than being a master :(.

[@excalliburb9084]

You are being too repetitively in the beginning. People already understood your point about innovation

[@tijolobrabo8475]

This is mainly because he doesn't use a script to make things more natural. He already said sorry a lot of times of repeating himself on the videos, and since he don't have a script sometimes he needs to collect his thoughts. It's normal.

[@tecul1]

considering whirlpool urshifu wasn't considered innovative I think this point needs to be hammered as much as it is to new players

[@erikcarp9359]

@@tecul1 No I think it was innovative, but also just kinda bad