Black Desert Online: Why I Stopped Playing

[@Mithon81]

And the conclusion: This game is best played with a casual mindset. If you don't "have to be the best, or at least competitive" then you wouldn't feel like you had to buy all of that stuff and grind all of that stuff, and instead you'd enjoy the little things in the game.

[@DarkmonstaR]

Exactly

[@exsparta]

Some people's enjoy competing with others, like myself, and don't care as much about the little things in the game...

[@Banshee911]

+Gaute Løken ...um you can't really. Everything in the game is designed to push you to the micro-transactions and compete as this video illustrates. You can't even just enjoy the world and explore because as soon as you hit level 45 you feel the pressure to grind and gear up or be pked while exploring and going about your business. I could get behind the ow pvp too if it weren't so screwed up and if there weren't so many performance issues associated with the game. It's just a trash title that they ported on the cheap and instead of tweaking it for a b2p environment they just slapped a price tag on it and expected everyone to be ok with all the micro-transactions still in place from the f2p KR version. Now that they honeymoon is over and the title has been out for a couple months, people are noticing the incredible pile of dog shit this game really is. The problem is that there are OP fanbois out there that don't want you trashing on their fav game because they know that there's no real endgame in BDO without fodder in the form of other players. Hard to have sieges and node wars if there isn't a constant flow of bodies coming into the game. Aside from the incredible environmental artwork and the fluid and intuitive combat style..the game really has nothing going for it....the little good design in it is overshadowed by obvious the laziness and greed of the development and publishing teams.

[@NecxZhor9]

How every korean mmo goes

[@Mithon81]

Camil Abu Nasra Indeed. I'm usually like that, but for some reason I managed to put that aside for this title. Probably because my completionist tendencies, which leads me to want to do every quest etc. So, I enjoyed it, for a while at least, untill I grew bored and moved on. But it was good while it lasted.

[@Morphologis]

I think we all failed to realize when we reviewed the game just how adept the Koreans are at making a P2W MMO. They have micro transactions down to an art, so that by the time you realize that you've spent a ton of money, it is already too late. I think from now on I will steer clear of mmo titles in general that use this sort of micro transaction model, which basically means won't be playing mmos for a long time.

[@animeweng]

+Morphologis Korean mmos taught me the value of money really well after i blew alot of it on the first two games I played. Cabal Online 2k USD and Vindictus 1k USD. After that, I never spend more than $60 USD for a game. Continent Of the Ninth Seal $30 USD, League of Legends $40, Rusty Hearts $0 USD, Cabal 2 $0 USD, Swordsman Online $0 USD, Blade and Soul $0 USD, and Starcraft 2 I had to pay $60 then $30 for HOTS and LOTV. Black Desert Online I only spend initial $30 USD. I have been using loyalty to increase weight limit. The story quests give u gold ingots, inventory, weapons, accessories, armor, and black stones. I find no need to spend any more money on the game.

[@DdaengEli]

thank yall for the warning.😅

[@stwida91]

People - Please take note of how many times he points out that he doesn't like X because you need to do it to be competitive. I started playing WoW when I was a teenager, and I have fond memories of having nothing better to do with my life than play that game as soon as I got home from school. As someone with a degree and a real job now, I don't have that kind of time commitment. Why am I talking about this? I recently started getting deep into BDO, and I can honestly say I haven't had this much fun playing ANY game since my first experiences with Vanilla WoW. The reason why? You can do SO many things, and they're all fun, and you can play the game however you want, but most importantly, you don't HAVE to be competitive to do so. Peon seems to be looking at this game from the perspective of being among the top ranks of players, and yes, that takes a ton of time and effort... but if you play the game simply AS A GAME and to enjoy yourself, you will find it to be extremely enjoyable. While it may be ironic for an MMO, one of the things I loved while leveling to the soft cap was the fact that I didn't need to interact with any other players. I got to learn the game at my own pace, and I wasn't required to learn about a dungeon system or understand group comps for co-op quests... People are overwhelmed by the amount of htings available to do in this game, but in reality it's not overwhelming, because you don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to do. The 'Life Skills' system blew my mind and I wanted nothing to do with it, for example, until I realized that I didn;t have to craft armor and do alchemy and do cooking and do fishing etc etc... You pick the things you like and you can just as effectively do ONLY those things as you could do EVERYTHING. My advice for anyone who has been longing for a fun gaming experience for years now (like myself after I decided WoW didn't fit my lifestyle anymore) would be to play this game. I have loved every minute of it, from dying to learning.

[@KevinHPhotography]

Solid Review. I also don't play that much anymore because same as you, I have a degree and a fulltime job now. And, for the past weeks I have been looking for a good MMO to play. I really like how BDO looks, but I don't know if I would/should spend the $29.99 since I am not a hardcore gamer.

[@stwida91]

Kevin H I would seriously give it a try. At first I was totally overwhelmed by everything, but like I said above... once I decided that I was only going to focus on fishing, learning the node system, and understanding my class rotations in pve, it became outrageously fun. And knowing that there's all of that other stuff to learn about later only makes it more exciting to me, because I can SEE how much there is that I don't know. The variety in the classes is also great, they all feel very different when playing.

[@incosciente2994]

I totally agree with your comments, and IMHO the problem is that lot of players don't play MMORPG to role playing, exploring maps/world, going deep in story and PvE; their final objective is to "make cool" and camper in the major cities with last-high-end sword or piece of gear. It's so funny read comments like "I don't want to WASTE my time levelling...", nonsense :D

[@SushiCatto]

Yup. I have to concur. I've been getting back into WoW, and so many people complained about the "lack of content". ...this being the same people showing off because they hit max level in under a week by farming dungeons with +80% xp. They're sat complaining about the lack of content, despite not having played most of it.

[@gregmcallister2194]

You are so dead on. Every one that complains about pay to win is actually saying I don't want to play and MMO - I want to play a fight game where I can buy the best armor, best weapons and beat on other players. My interest in games has always been the story, the tales, the learning the of the economy and interactions of player to environment and finally the socialization between people that play for the same reasons I do. Sure I PVP but only if I need to or want to not because I have to or feel it is the only thing to do. If I want straight fighting then I would play any one of thousands of FPS or arena based games. The haters need to quite playing MMO's for the 2 minute level to the top. Really, why don't you try to play the game.

[@knavishroot1238]

How does a horse drift like a Subaru Impreza?

[@f.gvictor1178]

Hhahaha tell me that too

[@Make_It_So]

This game is much more fun and less stressful if you just go slow. There is so much to do, it's pointless to rush it.

[@ThePlaceWhereWeGo]

+Makeitso Falonaburgerman This.

[@lostarsm9240]

+Makeitso Falonaburgerman And if people want to compete for the top? ... If that's how they find enjoyment?... They're just screwed unless they throw their money at the cash shop? Not P2W my ass.

[@Make_It_So]

+Stephan Morin If people want to compete for the top? This is where the game is flawed. Luckily, I couldn't care less about this aspect so I am content and enjoying the game thoroughly.

[@lostarsm9240]

+Makeitso Falonaburgerman Same. However I'm considering the enjoyment of those beside myself since a healthy MMO takes care of multiple playstyles. ...not just my own.

[@Make_It_So]

+Stephan Morin The game is still in it's early stages. Let's hope they have the ability to keep both the plebs and elites pleased eventually. I am as casual as they get. That said....this is just a game and I really do not care about the enjoyment level of elite players. My friends and I are happy and that is really all that matters to us. Does that make me inconsiderate? No. We may play the same game but We live in vastly differing gaming spheres.

[@The_Cadaver]

Another flavor of the month MMO bites the dust. Seeing the same cycle repeat itself time and time again: Hype, honeymoon, epiphany, exodus, obscurity.

[@yabyab]

+The Cadaver I don't regret playing BDO for over three months, in my standards that's HUGE success. A game that takes your attention for three long months is not easy to do. What do you want to do, invest all your life playing this game? come on. Saying that, BDO could have given me years of playtime only if they've made PvE more interesting rather than "gathering a horde of monsters then blow them away with 1-2 hits all the way since level 1 to level 55." and not to mention the brainless "boss" and "world boss" fights which really are nothing but "attack them and don't die". There's not class inter-dependency. There are no roles to play. There are no variety in monsters; except melee/range basically. You don't "adapt" to anything; it's just gathering them and blow them up. There's no feel of "Oh, we're going to ascend into a dangerous area; friends get ready for tough fights and let's work together to overcome the challenge." This kind of gameplay, to me, IS the bread and butter for hours of fun. Resource Management combat with a group of friends working together to venture through a very dangerous place. Of course there are a few monsters inside who drop the ph4t l00t you want; instead of scroll bosses we just delve in a dungeon and kill its bosses for a chance for a loot. That game play would have made me play the game way way way longer; instead of this brainless solo hording and the ridiculous world boss zerg-fest.

[@pronetodrift2395]

A MMO is not suppose to last for three months,it's suppose to last for years

[@KhoiBoa]

+USMC'SGamingNetwork and what did you get out of it. Nothing in life. Mmo ruins lives

[@yabyab]

KhoiBoa I wouldn't be playing MMOs if I have someone who looks like you! XD

[@warzy01]

its not a flavor of the month its fucking massive game and i seen what this dude peon did to level up is perso he was rushing like crazy grinding like a mindless fuck and he tired himself out and thats normal its not a theme park mmo like wow with an end game there is just no end game and no level cap so its normal that it broke is experience... i'm enjoying the game so fucking much right now by exploring talking to npc crafting fishing and mostly questing i don't feel the grind at all and im guessing i will never feel it even if i decide to just kill mob for 1 or 2 hour when im tired of that i will go do something else thats what the game offers a ton of shit to do and that is refreshing, i just cant with the theme park mmo anymore who you just want to be max level as fast as possible and just repeating the same fucking raid or dungeon thats fucking boring for me now! i was the kind of dude who really never enjoyed questing in wow well i did in the beginning but after a while i just wanted to max my char to do the end game i don't have that stress now i'm just enjoying myself with bdo!

[@psyphat7446]

"Why can't the whole fucking game be fun" 10/10 this

[@ZombiePoptard]

What I say to every mmo.

[@Sabellbu]

"best mmo since wow" cant play for a month without getting bored.

[@Whippets]

An MMO that's fun for 1 month isn't a good MMO IMO.

[@BrokeMyCrayon]

+CJS929 It's a good thing that "fun" is subjective then.

[@Whippets]

Of course it is, that and physics is what makes the world go round. What I was referencing is his statement towards the end, that despite all these "issues" Black Desert is a good MMO and he had fun for one month ... but not much fun after that. That's fine for a single player game --- bought it, played it, had fun for one month ... but an MMO needs to sustain itself month after month.

[@DnDCreation]

+CJS929 Black Desert does sustain itself, it's just clearly not a game suited to his tastes, which is completely fine. Just wish he would spread less misinformation.

[@dalishisness]

+CJS929 From what I can see this game won't push big numbers but I think what helps it a bit is that it looks "too beautiful" to not play for most. Who knows when the next MMO will do extremely well.

[@Nazareadain]

+CJS929 It isn't from a business perspective, but a lot of MMOs use skinner box strategies, overinvestment, loss aversion and sunk cost fallacies to prolong their lives. I'd rather fun and be done than be dragged through from obligation, and luckily, I'm not invested in the PvP (yet, anyway) and practically play it as a single player game. The second how I'm playing is comparative and I'm competing with other players, I'd be just as frustrated, though due to the stat benefits the armours give. Shit like elion's tears, though - nah - I'd re-level a ranged class at that point and be at an objective advantage. Makes it pretty clear how badly balanced some of those elements are.

[@hqrmony5051]

So, was this game overhyped?

[@suffy101]

guess so...

[@fenrizwolfbroodx5322]

Yes,just like Skyrim,Fallout 4 and Overwatch.

[@TheLazyPeon]

+Sir Dankus Skrubbimus I dunno if I'd say it was over hyped, It's the only MMO since WoW that I really managed to enjoy in my spare time, I guess in the long run I just lost interest

[@hqrmony5051]

Ivan Pete, I wouldn't say Skyrim was really overhyped.

[@geoka9991]

+Ivan Pete yeah but skyrim is good

[@coyotetacticalsolutions]

Endless grind and RNG..? You dont say... Its an asian game, they love endless mindless bs that goes nowhere.

[@jorge1582]

loooool

[@HermannTheGreat]

+Jesus Rodriguez It's true, the foreign asian playerbase enjoys the grinding and crafting more than anything else. They will avoid PVP and spend hours upon hours just with the social leveling, they aren't powergamers in the sense of getting firsts or big accomplishments etc. but they will have the largest playerbase and spend more time than anyone with PVE.

[@mikhailkabakov669]

+HermannTheGreat Yup. There's an anime, Log Horizon, that shows how Asians hate PvP and love grinding.

[@animeweng]

+Mikhail Kabakov I disagree. Koreans are different. Starcraft competitive gaming is a TV sports. So is League of Legends. It is generally part of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese culture to be competitive in school where education is a much longer grind compare to the rest of the world. Kids are forced to be disciplined and have to work together for longer hours. It bleeds over into gaming. So, school and work is a grind. Society is a grind. Life is a grind. Escape to alternate reality: Gaming is a grind. You can thank Confucianism, the competitive education grind to the top where your life is determined by exams and grades. Welcome to East Asia.

[@animeweng]

+Kim jong_un Lack of intelligent comments? You worship Asians secretly, look at your portrait. Keep up those K-pop music and dramas from the South. I like anime and Japanese food as an Asian grew on it. Keep up that racist Japanese cultural attitude, it suits your portrait.

[@LordOverTheLightOfRa]

"We dont get enough content and progression and it becomes boring." "We get too much content and progression it becomes stressful." If it's becoming too competitive. Why not just play for fun? I don't get it.

[@HydrogenNuke]

You can't tho

[@aryofristas]

I've never played it, but I guess the idea that you can't play it for fun is because it isn't fun.

[@HydrogenNuke]

Valieric it's that they force the competitive aspect upon you if you want to enjoy the game. Some people want to play PVE but there's a serious lack of it and s lot of the game is on PVP

[@aryofristas]

HydrogenNuke And the grind is terrible? I like PvP, but it seems like its a pain to get geared.

[@vlastneme]

you sir (raz ori) got the point i stand by you !!!!!

[@Shayed07121997]

exactly my words bro.This game is a time consumer and i felt like i had to play so much to keep up in this game and i came to the point were i just quit because i didnt wanna invest so much time anymore

[@computersxd]

+Kicking_Fate + fucking 1

[@RingZeroLabs]

PVP game with no options for progressing by PVP'ing and entirely too much RNG. Every single reason why I quit the game. Spot on man.

[@jagerlionruiz8639]

wow investing time I to a game? who would of thought. what you expect to be 50 witb top gier armor. people like bitch cauaw they too lazy to try.

[@tacticalcookie4709]

having played at least 6 hours a day since release i can say that its not just about being casual, even when i was playing on kr servers before the ip ban, it was clear that you will never catch up to the top % of players due to the near infinite progression. but that was ok, what is killing it for me is all the hackers and botters putting in zero time themselves and ruining the game for others. just yesterday me and my mates got nuked while grinding susans by one wizard who cast about 12 thunderbolts in about 3 seconds. now i dont mind getting ganked by players, but hackers piss me off

[@xxBloodphoenixxx1]

more wow content pleas (reason why i started watching your channel)

[@al-batal]

yes

[@rasmuschristiansen1926]

Yes please! :)

[@lifewhatsoever]

no

[@imabigblackduck]

He said he won't until beta or until legion. Not much in wod right now

[@ThatFreikugel]

+AwesomePeon no thanks

[@becky231]

EWWWW from +15 to +20 your gear can DROP BACK DOWN???? RIP BDO

[@CookieMonsta1155]

They changed it now, over 15 your gear cant drop back down, also you can safe enchant over 15 now.

[@krzysztof2923]

drop back down? does it mean if u fail it will be again at +15? or 0?

[@CookieMonsta1155]

It doesnt drop down at all now, you are pretty much safe +15.

[@krzysztof2923]

Ascorth IV. lol, so its eazy. A lot of mmo has a system when u fail for example on +8 you will lose your pluses to 0, or there is a chance to burn it (disapear)

[@nicholaslin570]

lmao in Vindictus it goes up to 15 and if you fail during your process it can break your weapon and disappear. rng

[@cWeeks1992]

Watching this video after his first one, had me laughing so hard. He is so much angrier in this one. Seems a few months more of playing really changed his mind LOL

[@bdasaw]

MANS WAS HURT LOOOL

[@TheEruvadhor]

No matter what, WoW is unbeatable. BDO was just another MMO with a big hype and now is dying down. Please, make some more WoW content... can't go wrong with that

[@YosefGaming]

True

[@zearing3601]

+EruV4Tor I want them to make "WoW 2". Updated engine and take the good aspects from vanilla WoW.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

+ZearingGaming oh MAN would I play the fuck out of that.

[@Julien-Limosino-87]

+EruV4Tor The only other MMO that can stand WoW is FF14.

[@MobSlasher]

+EruV4Tor Are you stupid? WoW is shit now with WoD.

[@Gwyndon]

Thank you for this video. I was on the fence on this game. I'm a filthy casual and this game is an easy pass now for me.

[@ggs4869]

same

[@mrt4755]

+Gwyndon ya i started this game awhile ago and thought ill horse breed not to make money but so that i can have a good mount for myself to use in rest of the game and just getting to those high tier horses took a stupid amount of time not even playing the game but AFK running back and forth and when i finally got the horse i just didn't feel like playing anymore

[@Y4J]

+Gwyndon Agree. I was on the fence as well. Now I will just pass.

[@Darcmagikan1]

+Gwyndon it depends on your way of playing the game. i know a lot of people who are just playing casually and they love the game. smaller guilds and lifeskills can carry you quite far.

[@jenjassen]

+TheCritic I agree. I'm one of those casual players. The game is so fun, I lose track of time.

[@emberskfcemporium7807]

I'm glad I watched this video because I was really thinking about playing this game and now I'm not so sure anymore.

[@xHannibal]

I remember when we all thought it was pay to win when ghillies came out. Now you can buy costumes to sell for 100 mil silver or melt them for Cron Stones so you don’t even have to worry about rng when enhancing. And to this day people say it’s not p2w lol

[@pwni6807]

same for me :/ stopped after 2 weeks....all iw anted was the ninja... now i went went back to gw2....

[@cfjlkfsjf]

+Pwni Aion, CSGO, Quake Live, Black Death for me. Game is too complicated for my simple ass.

[@TheChikius]

+Pwni Tyrian master-race!

[@Xradris]

+Pwni I quit GW2 after 4 weeks, 2 lvl 80, and bored out of my mind. As easy as WoW. But it freaking beautiful.

[@pwni6807]

+Mathieu Latour well only leveling a Charakter is not endgame :D go find a guild and RAID..level fractals to 100...waste all ur gold with gambling xD ...get legendary gear and join thr fashion wars :D...

[@Xradris]

Even at GW1, I dont raid, or rarely, too long for too little. On the other hand I have a bigger world to play in, and a lots more stuff to do, and WAY better class system, I still cant believe they change their own system.

[@NumnutSify]

Also I just want to mention I really appreciate this video that you made TLP. Not a lot of youtubers have the gall to say truthfully what they feel in fear of backlash from the community. You have my respect and I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience. At least now you wont fall for the same trap from a different company. I wish you all the best with your future content and keep up that thick skin, people here are relentless with their words due to anonymity. Liked. Subbed. Respect.

[@pianoonparade]

This made me not want to get it. But then I remembered that I'm not a competitive player at all. I heard BDO had a great variety of things to do even if you weren't a siege/pvp sort of guy. Work takes up most of my time so I wouldn't have the time to grind for hours every day anyway. I just want to get back home and do some fishing or crafting or whatever for half an hour or an hour and then go sleep. So for someone like me would be it be worth it to get?

[@Azeven]

I bought it 3 days ago. I'm not a pvp person either. But I must say. So far i'm loving the game

[@Miarahdd]

You can go fishing, crafting, cooking and horse breed. Lots of more stuff too. :) There are guilds specified on such things, too.

[@pianoonparade]

Isaac Fenlon Miarahdd Thanks for the comments, I guess I'll get it after all.

[@Advisory_Vessel]

You can also afk craft, afk fish, and afk a lot of other things too. Then you can get back on and have a better inventoried and/or better character

[@squirrelhallowino29]

You gonna love it for the first weeks, maybe one whole month. Its worth it to play like 29 euros and have a month of fun, even more for you because you don't play a lot. After u reach a higher level, there is no monster to kill, there is just nothing. The bosses feel the same, the other things you have already done, u just have to grind, to play the other fun thing, pvp, which will be terrible if u dont have good gear, after 50 you are not safe anymore, the people will attack you, and the only way to keep playing is to kill them too. Anyways, reach 49, pick another class, do the thing again, just don't bother to play it after 50. You gonna love it, hundreds of hours of fun for a cheap price. I spend like 15 hours just creating characters, really, its amazing.

[@Jab_hutt]

Guild Wars 2, the only MMO I witnessed to be fun over and over, you can come back to it and have more fun again. PvP all day long, castle sieges all day long and PvE as much, as you wish. So far it is top gameplay that has been made.

[@CJ00014]

You haven't played SWTOR then

[@LomiKo]

i tried out GW2 earlier and fucking hell it is so boring oml. and that weapon thing changing your skills? fuck that

[@vizmir1]

Guild Wars 2 PvP and WvW mode bros, thats the game without mindless griding

[@alphayourface]

Yes, I could tell all these things from the first week I played >.< I was like "keep my money... Byeee" and I quit right away because the creatures are too easy, boss fight is dumb, there's no story, just running somewhere takes forever, etc., etc. There was nothing that requires skill or thinking; it's just about buying advantage (as you mentioned) and having no life. I think many people that play BDO are the same kind that can sit in a lobby in "Second Life", doing nothing for hours. They have no exciting life, so they do not even know when something is boring. It's sad but I guess that's their life.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

Seriously, where are all these people that love to go virtual fishing, away from the keyboard for hours on end? Where are these people that pay 30, 60, 100 bucks so they can go gather herbs in a video game? Who does that monotonous shit?

[@alphayourface]

TheTinyTimmyTimTim Haha. I know, right? It's so crazy

[@jagerlionruiz8639]

there isn't any p2w? wow I've never heard of an mmo where all you do is you know play and spend time. playing the game.

[@FrappuccinoMe]

So this isn't true of all people. A lot of us, like myself, play MMOs to just enter a different world for a couple hours to maybe unwind mentally or enjoy a nice morning with coffee and swords. Some people don't play games to be engaged in a Dark Souls manor, some play to be engaged in a communal and immersive manor.

[@shoelariat]

I got that 100 buck pre-order because from what I saw early on in development I figured I "knew" I would enjoy it. I completely regret it and I'm not even sure I got to level 25 yet. I guess that's why you don't pre-order games.

[@zachwilliams4757]

i was really considering getting this game because of you're first 2 vids. ty for coming out with this vid. prolly saved me alot of time and $$

[@blacrow9707]

This isnt true dont hear this shit

[@MikMoen]

And here I am on Elder Scrolls Online staring at the Crown Store going "I don't need that costume, I don't need it, I-I don't need it.......I NEED IT!"

[@ElSamuele04Channel]

don't worry about negative comments, this is very good video where you share your experience and personal opinion about the game. I like it as many others.. Personally fact I agree with your thoughts, BDO is a fantastic game, but it's too Grind4Win, is too rng on gear and other aspects and does not present a balanced pvp. And the fun in that? I'll play again bdo , but I will never do to grind, but to explore and stay with friends.

[@DragonDyce]

downloading the game right now, as far as grinding im use to it from Runescape, im still looking forward to playing this game, sorry your done with it

[@ItsOrnil]

+Clarence Lannister That statement was very hypocritical considering you're wasting your time calling out somebody for playing a video game, which we all have done. Go find a better use of time.

[@CantuWielder]

its a good game

[@pronetodrift2395]

It's grinding on a whole new level,it's either grind endlessly or don't do PVP

[@tedbear631]

I really think all the complaints here are very valid and really need to be address if the developers what to keep people playing and and actually get new players interested in playing. Just flat out I know tons of gamers and literally none of them have the time to play BDO because they actually have other shit to do than just game.

[@FrappuccinoMe]

so are you still playing it? I'm downloading it right now

[@Wishfulpumpkin]

100% agree. The RNG killed me. I was getting stressed out keeping up with gear requirements and losing tons of sleep over it. Had to quit for now, might go back when I feel like I just don't care about year.

[@Wishfulpumpkin]

gear*

[@Thunder93ita]

Same, i went crazy when i failed 50 times a +14 yuria, wasted like 40 millions in repairs, hours to grind silver and blackstones for what? For NO UPGRADE at all, the RNGlitterally killed my will to play this game and as you said i'm gonna take a LONG break beforr going back to play it

[@MMOStein]

+Thunder93ita Force enhancement.

[@Wishfulpumpkin]

+Njoy32Gaming Which is why I put the second sentence. Some people care about gear and progession more then others. I deffinitely don't need someone telling me about myself, for me to know I cared far to much. To each thier own. lol

[@Wishfulpumpkin]

+Jake A I did say I quit. It's not really other games that cause me to do the same, really only Black Desert due to it's PvP. I play a lot of games and have no issues. lol Thanks for the concern

[@themelonfromnowhere4457]

Guild Wars is still really fun and has plenty of nontoxic players and variety of things to do!

[@Saskidan]

Guild Wars 2 is my jam baby, over 3 years playing and love it!

[@themelonfromnowhere4457]

Haha I just started 2 months ago, so much to do

[@sloadams]

Guild wars 2 is the only mmorpg I enjoy leveling process by far

[@ingel8061]

Hoang Viet Pham ikr? Everytime you level up, you get a weapon or armor or treasure chest key and not to mention they unlock personal story which is why i spend hours and hours to level up 'cause i get curious with the story

[@Krzeslov]

hahahahha, only after spedning 500 pounds you realised it's p2w? gosh....

[@Amfibios]

+Kreslov euros* :P

[@swoodc]

+Amfibios money** :P :P

[@Amfibios]

+jonathan morey lol

[@dinguuuus]

+Kreslov give me some arguments as in why its pay2win please.

[@Amfibios]

+Bongodongo dude u can't be serious.... when u BUY a game, EVERYTHING the game has to offer should be available for free. the only non p2w thing that exists in games is cosmetic items. when there's 1000 ways to boost your character from the cash shop, that's p2w, when there's systems in place (rng) that will make ur life a huge grind but there is this "magical item" in the cash shop that will remove the restrictions/up your chances of success, that's p2w. peon made a whole 15 min vid and explained tons of p2w elements and now u're asking kreslov for arguments.... so either u didn't watch the vid, or u're in denial.

[@rendericu92]

It's so weird how almost everyone has the same issues with this game and not just youtubers, i stopped playing a while back and i'm kinda happy i didn't try to push through, thanks peon for the vid you saved me from wasting a shit load of time

[@synysterxdave]

i definitely agree with the RNG aspect. hard work and time invested should be rewarded in kind rather than just having it all thrown back in your face because a number generator said so

[@Pichuscute]

I dunno. Your complaints about this game sound like the complaints I have about every single MMO I've ever tried to play. I hate MMOs because they don't respect player time at all, and are insanely grindy and fetch-questy.

[@SuddenFool]

play WoW then as you can put auto clicker on your main ability and play anything else and just alt tab to wow every 5 mins to click space so you never go afk.

[@Pichuscute]

SuddenFool That sounds terrible. I'd rather go play actual games, like Final Fantasy or Uncharted or Mario Kart than have some MMO that plays itself or that requires grinding forever. That's not fun and doesn't respect my time or give me anything worthwhile from playing. At that point, you've taken all the entertainment out of a medium that's supposed to be entertainment. It's like telling someone the movie is fine as long as you keep your TV off and then turn it on every few minutes to make sure it's still playing. Lmao.

[@Chocomunchie]

Not all MMOs are the same, though, and this game's problems are certainly not the epitome of the genre. This is just one example of a poor business modeled MMO. Since you like Final Fantasy, you might like Final Fantasy XIV. Though, that was probably a stupid suggestion, because I don't know whether you're an open-minded FF fan, or one of those "it's not a true FF game durr hurr" players. If anything, it's an MMO that'll feel familiar and you'll at least enjoy the FF fanservice and references, job system, as well as its world and lore. The quests and main story are also fantastic, and not exactly boring, though your time will still be required. Though, that's the thing about MMOs, you're not supposed to play it all at once. It's one step at a time. You're supposed to play them on and off over time to progress. It's supposed to last, as opposed to single-player games that you can beat in a week and then you're done with it. And it's not like you have to only dedicate your time to that game. Once you get your fill and want to switch over to a game that doesn't take as much time, those games are still there, they're not going anywhere. MMOs are also a social experience, teaming up with friends or strangers and dungeon crawling, celebrating holiday/seasonal events, hanging out, or what have you. It's a pity you can't find the appreciation for the genre, but, to each their own. I hope you one day come around, though. And heck, maybe XIV will be the one to change your mind, who knows.

[@Pichuscute]

Chocomunchie I am an open-minded FF fan, although I totally understand why you'd be worried. xD That being said, I have tried FFXIV before, and I didn't enjoy it very much at all. It seemed to be filled to the brim with fetch-quests particularly. I gave it maybe 5 hours, and then gave up. xP I will say that the social aspects do absolutely nothing for me, though. So, if that's the majority of what an MMO offers, then I don't really care for it. Since posting this, though, I will say that there are a couple MMOs that I have enjoyed for some amount of time. ESO I enjoyed because I could just play it as a single player Elder Scrolls game (with the quests and story still intact, thank god). Although, I've now hit a level wall, and grinding in an Elder Scrolls game sounds particularly terrible, so I'm probably done with it. Elite: Dangerous's world and mechanics are so inherently interesting to me that I don't mind that I'm technically doing fetch-quests. They also reward you a lot for spending just, say 5-10 minutes at a time, which makes me actually feel good about playing. So, I guess the entire genre isn't lost on me, just these more grindy type MMORPGs. XP

[@Chocomunchie]

Benjamin Busche Well, the first several quests in the earlier zones are pretty fetch-questy, but it improves. I guess they just want you to get used to the locations first, with those. But, yeah, I get ya, man. To each his own, I suppose. And yeah, the FF fanbase, man.. Definitely a mixed bag. xD I hope you find other MMOs out there that fit your standards.

[@ringosis]

I quit the game half way through the free beta week for pretty much the exact same reasons. I can't believe anyone who is even remotely familiar with online video games couldn't see it coming with BDO. It's entire design philosophy was so obviously built around annoying you into spending money. I dunno about anyone else, but personally, if a developer deliberately makes their game not fun to try and convince you to pay real money to make it less tedious, I'm not going to be touching their game with a barge pole.

[@jagerlionruiz8639]

I bought the game. I haven't spent a y money since? where's this I have to spend money philosophy.? buying the game is justifiable idk what you're talking about if not that.

[@ringosis]

I didn't say you have to spend money, I said the game is shit if you don't. The game deliberately puts exceptionally tedious barriers in the way of your progression in the hopes that you'll just say "Fuck it, I can't be bothered doing this" and spend money. It's the WORST kind of game design. BDO's problem can be summed up with one inevitable outcome. When you do stop playing BDO, I absolutely guarantee you it wont be because you are satisfied that you achieved the goals you set out for yourself and you feel like you've done what you set out to do and are ready to move on...it will be because you've spent hundreds or even thousands of hours trying to achieve the goals you set out for yourself and you are still no where near and the only option left to you is to admit defeat or spend money because the goal posts keep moving. You will quit not because you are satisfied, but because you are infuriated...that's BDOs problem.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

Honestly, I didn't even need to play the beta to see this coming. Korean MMO. Red flag. Free to play everywhere but here. Red Flag. Armor ripped out of the game and put into the cash shop. Red Flag. 3 Different packs that give HEAD STARTS, one being $100. Red Flag. I could keep going. Anyone even slightly familiar with MMO's should have been able to see this coming, and at that point, I honestly don't feel bad for people who ended up quitting because of the grind and pay to win bullshit, after paying 100 dollars for what was already pay to win bullshit.

[@XRiZUXGamer]

I think it would be better if MMORPGs removed "leveling" and instead focused on the role-playing part. Maybe unlocking a new skill after beating a boss, and having the combat be only focused on how skillfully you are playing solo as well as in a group. I mean what is leveling other than a waste of time anyway? (to keep players busy) - Imagine if you could just create your own unique character, and do whatever you want from that point without thousands of quests to grind levels, the goal of the game being your own and unique. Without the focus of leveling up a character, I think a lot more focus would have gone to actual role-playing, and in return would make the experience a lot more interactive and interesting.

[@lilbred4044]

sadly, MMORPGs are made to make money so you know, they rather put shit in it if it can help the game make more money than improve game's mechanic and add new cool stuffs

[@jenjassen]

My husband and I watch your videos religiously. My husband heard about Black Desert from you. We are both hooked. It really is the best MMO out there. I was looking forward to some Black Desert videos from you, but I understand you don't want to get labeled the "Black Desert video guy". People shouldn't be attacking you for your opinions. I do not agree that its pay to win. A lot of that extra weight and inventory slots can be purchased with loyalty points. It's a fun game regardless if you are the top geared player...there is just too much to do. Sieges will be fun regardless, Sea combat will be loads of fun... We love your videos, we just disagree with some of your points. Keep up the great work. You are our favorite KZbinr. :)

[@ItsGmezPoy]

+Jennifer Matt Loyalty points lol. Read the loyalty item description(on the weight/inv increases), you can only purchase them using loyalty points like 2 times then they lock it. You have to pay if you want more. And what about the pay to win costumes? the fishing one, the horse training one, the ghillie suit on a midget ranger? Let's not forget about the pet's either, or the elion tears. Alone, these are pay for convenience items, but together, they create a pay 2 win environment.

[@puffthemagic]

+Jennifer Matt I don't agree that it is p2w either. However, even if we entertain the thought, you could still think of simply paying $15 a month on it like you would WoW---How many euros has LazyPeon spend buying every WoW xpac + a year round subscription??? 10 years of 15 dollars a month.... And he cries over spending 500 euros on mirco transactions. /LOL.

[@ItsGmezPoy]

Jordan Ogas You dont need to spend money on WoW anymore. You can farm gold in-game and buy tokens which give you a months subscription. I have enough gold for 6 tokens on my wow account which i havent played for 1 year and dont plan on playing ever again. 10 years, 15 dollars a month. Ok. 1 month and 500 dollar + $150 to get the game. That is 3 years worth of wow gameplay spent in 1 month. (not even including the years of gameplay you could get from buying the in-game subscriptions with gold. /LOL.

[@FreedomFighter08]

This is why I've turned to MOBAS/Arena shooters in general, for example I see Mobas as a mini version of an mmorpg, you get to late game in 1 game, there's pve (laning, jungle, camps and objectives) and pvp (the players, teamfights), there's the gear (items) you get to max level and to end game in 1 game and you have fun and get to enjoy it over and over again, that's why I love the MOBA genre because it's the mini version of MMOS and it's the best part you enjoy when you have fun, and no grind, cheers :) love Smite btw

[@TitaniumBandaidsl6718]

+FreedomFighter08 HAHAHA i love your post man, clever and funny! Big MOBA Fan here myself. ATM im into Paragon/HoTS/Smite with some Paladins but i really hate Paladins atm

[@RubberDuckling5789]

I also turned to mobas but still feel as though it hasn't filled this void in my life. World of Warcraft was too good of a game in the past I tell you!

[@FreedomFighter08]

Mob Barley Yep i feel ya

[@SakuraWindsong]

"Why don't you make your game less fucking shit so I don't quit before I get to the good part?" So much this lol.

[@finchzer0]

Well said... I have actually quit BDO for the exact same reasons you have mentioned in this video. That being said however, 'lag' was another big reason for me as I live in Australia, playing on North American servers. Ultimately BDO's end game content for (for the most part) is pvp based, which takes a rather large toll and becomes a very apparent problem for people playing in Oceanic regions. I still think the game was a lot of fun but in the long run it was not a sustainable or worthwhile use of my time. Great video man.

[@destroyerofworldsnamedchan577]

Jesus I live in na with with 150 mbs and lag is there

[@drunk-mangaming2744]

cheers dude, I was pondering buying this, but this vid has persuaded me otherwise

[@drunk-mangaming2744]

Let me get this right....you drop £50+ for the game, yet the wanna fleece more money out of you from `microtransactions`?

[@cristianbernal8009]

yup. Welcome to the business world.

[@xodius80]

Mike: ´´hey jim i lost my need for wow, too easy, and for the kiddies´´ JIM:´´YO mike BDO is like vanilla wow, and even better!´´ Mike: ´´NAH I DONT LIKE BDO, IS TOO HARD´´ Mike: ´´YO JIM LETS GET INTO THAT VANILLA WOW PRIVATE SERVERZ´´ ME: le sigh.

[@TheLazyPeon]

+Happy Farmer BDO is hard? please point me towards this difficult content because after a few hundred hours played I've yet to find it.

[@markormandy]

+TheLazyPeon You mean like the world bosses you keep getting rekt by?

[@BoneFrossil]

+Mark Kram You are confusing poor boss mechanics with a boss being hard. A hard boss requires a great group to go on multiple run throughs to learn the mechanics of the fight while these bosses are just rinse and repeat slamming damage ..dying...running back.. If a boss can be defeated that way it is not skill or knowledge based...it is just poor mechanics.

[@TheLazyPeon]

+FrosDtimes Exactly

[@relussmyer]

+FrosDtimes That's literally the cut and paste business model of blizzard and FFXIV for creating raid bosses (for the most part). The fact that they screwed up something that already exist confuses the hell out of me... Like.... just copy and reskin if your that bad at making the world bosses.

[@AoiMitsuko]

HOLY SHIT THANK YOU!!! In reference to the whole MMO Genre... being someone that's been playing mmo's since Ragnarok Online, I couldn't agree with you more!!!

[@blackyvertigo]

these systems you complained about are in every. single. damned. korean mmorpg ever released in the west. every single one has them. every. one. no exception. korean mmorpgs are garbage and have been. i swore after 2moons i would never buy another and after playing some free trials recently of korean mmorpgs that have released since then and seeing that they are ALL THE SAME still....yeah, just stick to western mmorpgs.

[@blackyvertigo]

best alternative? if you mean sandbox, nothing beats eve online. if you mean mmorpg - i could rattle off at least a dozen titles.

[@blackyvertigo]

ah yes, the usual counter-argument of the internet intellectual - personal attacks. Your lack of mmorpg experience is showing.

[@blackyvertigo]

you were 6 when I was 24 and you proceed to lecture me. too funny. your mmorpg experience is jaded by the inexperience of youth, so you can't possibly have an objective outlook or opinion on these games or the genre on the whole. I have played pretty much every mmorpg released in the west. I used to play all korean mmorpgs day one until i saw the pattern, and waited for their inevitable free trials. I still play my first MUD 22 years after first logging into it, because good games are worth it and good games stick around. You were the one who brought up older games first, chief. Again, your inexperience is showing. At least try to remember what you just posted. And if you really want to compare action mmorpgs only (NOT mmo's, that label is applied to game that are NOT mmorpgs and morons continue to think they are the same damned thing) then both ESO and Wildstar are better games on the whole, with neither having predatory cash shops. both have pay-to-win aspects in thair cash shops, but NOWHERE near as bad as this, and they don't add such a ridiculous and punishing crafting system as the same god damned enchanting system that EVERY SINGLE KOREAN MMORPG has used the last 13 years.

[@blackyvertigo]

Your mommy know you are using her internet?

[@virgilgreyson1338]

+Dixa1 This depresses me because they LOOK amazing visually. The gameplay is a dumpster fire though, and always ends in misery.

[@Applekations]

i love this game but it's the first mmo I've played and kept playing so I don't think I play like other people. I've had it since the 2nd beta and my best character is only level 30. partly this is due to me going to college when it came out, but I also just like to take my time and I don't really play with others. i don't get why people want to grind and burn through the levels as fast as they can to the point there's nothing left to do.

[@Applekations]

+Dsome Rsome makes sense. Black Desert is the first MMO I played that could keep my attention, so I'm not honestly that familiar with them. i always saw a lot of potential but until BDO they were always bogged down in mechanics that seemed to me to be designed to distract players rather than entertain.

[@emmanuelugalde475]

Being competitive, leaderboards.

[@alexbeets8494]

ik were you're coming from. for me it was ffxiv (bbbuut I'm a broke MF and I couldn't afford the sub lmfao)

[@MikeKuck]

Will there ever be another good MMORPG? All of the in game shops and overbalancing just ruin all of them today... I miss pre-cu SWG.

[@yulithecreator6889]

+Mike Kuck look forward for crowfall and camelot unchained ,bro :)

[@MikeKuck]

Just looked into crowfall. I'm not even sure I can call it an RPG from the explanation I heard... Not super stoked about a purely PVP MMO. Camelot unchained looks interesting. I just hope they don't go for the realistic graphics approach unless they can actually make it look good...

[@yulithecreator6889]

they are bouth pure pvp

[@MikeKuck]

Oh. So they are both going to be bad. Bummer.

[@yulithecreator6889]

depends on what u like ,i suppose:) i think they will be great.

[@QPoily]

Extremely informative video man. I was considering buying this game, even more so after your first BDO video but, this video changed my opinion and decision. As somebody who DESPISES having to compete with people for loot drops, this helped a lot.

[@TranscendentalMental]

He made alot of valid points, this is why I chose not to be competitive. I enjoy lifeskills and occasionally fishing.

[@hahailikefood]

I've only played this game for a few days and I already made that decision lol

[@thedude6559]

Craig, I know you don't like making only wow content just because a lot of people are requesting it and you want to be diverse in your uploads. But you can make top 10s of lore and maybe mobs in wow you don't need to necessarily play the game.. Besides, you haven't made a wow video in ages.. It wouldn't hurt if you switched it back to the old once in a while you know.

[@rush4g]

I was going to refute most points here, but just realise this videos is WAY out of date with what the current game is now and many of the things said have been fixed.

[@jenniferkyte8005]

This is true, the video is definitely out of date.

[@ChanChan-jk8pc]

Jennifer Kyte out of date yea. game still is trash and lost 80% of its population.

[@rush4g]

It's not dead at all. It made 23million in Q3. At $30 game price per person for the regular package (not counting higher tiers or pearls spent) that's almost 750k sales. If you actually checked the games monthly average players, you will see it's steadily growing since Q3 of 2014. Far from dead.

[@ChanChan-jk8pc]

Jake lmfao where are you pulling these stats? link? Calling bullshit games only been out in US. Since March and lost more than half it's population. Games p2w! Honesty doubt they are pulling that much dough on a b2p model it's all cash shop.

[@rush4g]

Unless you're going to try and refute statistics and data that comes from Kakao themselves to their inventors.. forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/120378-bdos-publishers-q3-results-are-out/ www.kakaocorp.com/upload_resources/ir/siljeok/siljeok_20161110080425.pdf www.kakaocorp.com/en/ir/earnings Game is no where near P2W. Think you were playing a different game, not BDO.

[@ronrrony]

and i felt bad for not being able to play it due to region lock,thanks for cheering me up mate,great video

[@SilvD3X]

Guess it's time for the Guild Wars 2 playthrough (popcorn ready) !

[@darkhummy]

Even if you have all the time in the world why the fuck would you waste your time being bored out of your fucking mind? This game will be dead in the west within a year, 2 tops.

[@DnDCreation]

+Humza Younas Maybe, just maybe.... some people actualy enjoy playing the game?

[@Helman114]

+DnDCreation Yeah but "some people" isn't enough for the game to sustain itself. There's a company behind it y'know, they need enough of your greens to continue.

[@darkhummy]

A very greedy company. And I remember when this genre of game wasn't mainstream to the point where each new title was an attempt to be more innovative and fun than it's competitors.

[@DnDCreation]

+Joyde Sorry but do you have information about the game's fiscal success that I dont? From the little numbers I have seen, they seem to be doing quite well. Will it last? I dont know it's too soon to say one way or the other.

[@Helman114]

DnDCreation

[@AnomthePhenom]

Basically the same reasons I quit without really even thinking about it. Now after playing Overwatch I don't think I'll ever play an MMO again.

[@masternegi2]

Everyone is too worried about like being competitive and end game just enjoy the game.

[@NYCTO7]

you can't enjoy the game if every 10 minutes there is someone who tried to PK'ed you. If only they want to get rid the PK system...

[@masternegi2]

Alright so I'm very close to max level. Mind you since I posted my comment is the time I basically started and I can tell you that the pk is not that bad.

[@haniushnzzz8653]

Competition is the best part about any game

[@neat3655]

I just play mmo to enjoy the dungeon and the character though, pvp in most mmo is bullshit

[@masternegi2]

I should edit what I said I'm not mad level but I'm 56 and I've only been killed like 3 times outside of node wars

[@cypheir]

Lol... my friend used your "why this isnt pay to win" video to convince me to play it. I used (with less specifics) the same arguements you made here to explain why we shouldnt play it... but he talked me into it, and now hes showed me this video, to convince me why we should stop. All I can say, bro; is you made Black Pearl, or who ever made BDO, a lot more than 500 quid.

[@TheDorianTube]

+/\'Cypheir Tell your friend that a stranger on the internet, me, said: Quit being a fucking sheep è_é. lol

[@NathanielNow]

I'm sorry it's been so rage inducing for you. I never bothered to be competitive, but I fell out of love with the game for just not feeling rewarded for my time.

[@RaggokOozo]

People just can't think. The amount of time that you have to spend grinding experience over 55 pretty much forces you to buy tears to avoid exp loss on death. LazyPeon talks about world bosses but did not mention that you need L56 to use the awakened weapons. If you think levelling up to 55 is bad, well.... yeah.The game is a cash grab, like almost every single MMO released these days. They were just a bit more clever with hiding it until they have gotten people to commit to the game and invest into it. People don't like having to face that reality, which is why they lash out at anyone who points it out.That said, this is probably the best game on the market for people who do not have any real life obligations and no budget concerns.

[@xn3mz342]

MMOs have always been like this, it's no surprise.

[@ViriuZ7]

+RaggokOozo Awakenings are not out and when they are out getting level 56 will be just like getting lvl 55 because they will release new new mobs that give more xp

[@Draagreon]

Nothing is free! Thinking so is just ignorant xD

[@koloignanov3091]

RaggokOozo ik this comment is 2 yrs old, but the game got better. Its not that grindy to reach to 56, even 60 is easy now. 61 is hard tho, of u havent kept an eye 61 is the softcap. Im playing since mid Januar and im 60 tamer 480gs. Im also a kid with a lot of free time lol.

[@iRangeTWICE]

Everything you said makes so much sense and yet these developers think it's a fun idea to implement a system were gear means nothing if you ain't got it upgraded to the last tier that also might take forever to get cause you might have bad RNG. Hardwork doesn't pay off in games like these, you can work so hard for something and yet accomplish nothing because of the RNG.

[@MrWhateverfits]

lol I played this game for literally 2 hours once when it came out, saw that the game was endless rng grind and quit.

[@narutoikibichi5335]

+Whateverfits Whats rng?

[@droidJV]

+Narutoikibichi random number generator, it refers to the parts where you depend on 'luck'.

[@allmyfaults]

+Whateverfits yup. exactly the same over here. =)

[@jagerlionruiz8639]

sounds like a personal problem. every mmo has grind get over yourself

[@MrWhateverfits]

Jager Ruiz yes that is true but BDO Is a grind, it doesnt have a grind. Also most MMO's have grinds that end at some point when you get what you need. BDO and other Korean MMO's love to make you grind and then when your about to get what you're going for they strip it away and make you do it all over again. So when it is an endless grind it gets old and boring doing the same thing for the entire time you play it. But by all means if you like it then play it I'm not going to tell you or anyone not to. Have fun man.

[@tyman6788]

TheLazyPeon for MMO President #makemmogreatagain

[@danielwells1734]

Glad you were honest mate. I was gonna give it a go, but you saved me the trouble. How do you feel about Legion, and WoW in general?

[@markormandy]

+Daniel Wells Try it for yourself mate, for $30 bucks you'll get a few hundred hours out of it easily.

[@YourBeastRoy]

+Daniel Wells for real better then any other mmo if your trying to play one, he even said in the video hes almost given up on any mmo in general lol

[@Baylife2d]

I jumped on youtube to basically find out what BDO was and to secretly find a video to justify be starting a new mmo - the first vid I came across was this one and I would like to say thank you. You've earned yourself a sub and I look forward to see what MMO you take on next or is worth while for me based off of your reasons - being casual and wanting fun.

[@zomgl2pnoobffs]

"Why can't the whole game be fun?" Preach. Learning BDO's systems was fun. After that it was just work (and no challenge).

[@eoinsullivan1153]

peon rage is best rage

[@haajpeeh9249]

Best MMO I ever played, the only reason you don't like it is cause you're not playing to enjoy the game but "to be competitive"

[@ADavontiS]

I've only seen 2 of your reviews/first looks thus far. But I can say I really enjoy your commentary. Apart from the considerable amount of swearing, your commentary is pretty enjoyable and addresses the issues we all observe but most of the time just don't speak up on. You don't sound like you've been up all night rehearsing lines for your broadcast/post, sounds very natural, fluent and articulate when you're speaking. keep up the nice work... Even though I've seen only 2 of your vids, I've laughed during both so double thumbs up mate.

[@Zzerberus]

This kinda explains why I stopped playing MMORPGs in general....^^

[@StopAskingMyNameGoog]

wow, just the fact that world boss battles are so long that you will need to go back to town to buy more items and come back is a huge red flag for me.

[@nerdsunited345]

are you gonna make a level cap series of ESO?

[@AcheliusDecimus]

Black Desert is a masterpiece that was not thought out properly. Your right on all aspects...

[@AlexEbersberger]

I disagree. Glad you're leaving tho, not because I don't like you but because I hate when MMOs are filled with players that claim they hate the game.

[@hyperhypo]

Same I quit yesterday. died 20 times to red nose then said I'm sick of this game and quit. I agree boss fights, rng, unlimited grind all cancer

[@knigh731]

So, correct me if Im wrong but you are saying if you want to play BDO more or less competetiv its a pain but if you just want to play the game and have some fun from time to time its still a great game right ?

[@alexanderwillits5487]

this video saved me a LOT of time. thank you Peon

[@sursnaps]

I treat this game a little like real life - no real goal (since the goal in mmos always moves farther away), I do a little this, a little that, depending on what I feel like doing that day.. Enjoying discovering new things and being mindful in the game. It must be stressful when one tries to do everything in the game, just like in real life.

[@idkwhattodo2604]

+sursnaps I don't want to fucking play a game to be in real life LMAO

[@Kenthaful]

+IDKWhatToDo you completely missed the point.

[@idkwhattodo2604]

Kenthaful Nah when you have to think of playing a game like it's real life its over. Game taking the L and its done. Sure in real life you need to grind to learn and get experience in something, but I don't want to kill 50 mobs just to level up. Big sorry! I want to actually have fun in a game.

[@sursnaps]

IDKWhatToDo Please don't comment if you don't take your time to understand what people write, thanks!

[@megajoeify]

You gained my respect with this video

[@bobbuilder1804]

Plenty of mine WoW friends went on Black Desert after it was released. I remeber how they almost made on poetries how it is better than WoW in all aspects ... And guess what. They got burned as they realised all these things told in this video, well atleast it was their cash and not mine.

[@Zekn69]

I quit around the same time as this video was made and it sumed up my experience also. I was about to start playing again but i said i would watch this video again to remind myself why i stopped playing...well i did mess around with the ninja class for a bit and it was so fun but i must resist temptation.

[@Cthulthu]

I think the real issue here is your desperate need to make sure you have the perfect gear in order to be 'competitive'. There are significantly more relaxed ways of playing this game but you chose to burn yourself out. I'm a casual who plays 1-2 hours a day asides from weekends where I'll give the game considerably more attention and I still find it fun. I enjoy the company of the people I've met and play with. I think everyone's enjoyment of an MMO is based on their experience of the community they play within and you don't have that because your a fake MMORPG'er. You do this for the views, not for the enjoyment and real appreciation for the game. You do it for a video. You gaming style and mindset is the only thing that's flawed.

[@skyrasmus4760]

+Lavadragons Well if you play to be competitive, those are things you have to do. Yeah, if you never care to be competitive, then you can play any game and not care.

[@SwarlesLP]

I actually really like the questing, grinding, professions, exploring, etc. in the game and don't care at all about the endgame. Also I can only play on the weekends, as I have work + gym during the week. I think this game is very entertaining for casual players that like to have actual content outside of the endgame. If you (like you said in the video) don't enjoy all the content of this game except for this little part of pvp, then maybe you are right. You would be better off with just playing battle arena games. This is no hate btw, because you points you brought up are valid. As for example as a casual player I most likely will never be able to be competetive in pvp.

[@zickan0826]

Nearly all facts you said about the game is what i wrote on the forum the first 2 weeks and everybody just hated on me and said that im a total tard who can't just enjoy it. Here is the video guys, fking rekt kids! ;)

[@sunny35228]

you saw into the future man!

[@TheLesExit]

I don't get exactly what Play to Win means in MMO's? Is it beating the main quest line as fast as possible? Beating other players? I've never been about PVP in any game, I really hate playing against other people. I just find competition with others in games to be unneeded stress in my life. To me it's usually just about being immersed in another world where I can do cool stuff, maybe meet a few nice people :).

[@jonfindlay7838]

It is generally meant for pvp situations but some pve content is also competitive and people who pay would have an advantage there as well. Eg. more inventory space, weight limits, potions.

[@pronetodrift2395]

Pay to win essentially means you have to pay money to win,which is certainly true here

[@GekoHayate]

In a game where potions are your healing method and you have a limited weight capacity, victory in a 1v1 could boil down to who spent the most money to get the largest potion carrying capacity. It isn't play to win by the way, the phrase is "pay to win". Winning in a p2w model (pvp, loot drops or w/e) is often dependent on if or how much additional money you spent on the game. GW2 is an example of a game that has a cash shop that is almost entirely cosmetic/toy items and have no real effect on gameplay. A person who throws a thousand dollars into gw2 on top of the disc cost has no more chance of getting an item drop or winning a duel than a person who just paid for a copy of the disc.

[@TheLesExit]

***** Oh ya I meant "pay to win" sorry D:. For loot drops and 1v1 I can understand where the problem comes up. Cause then effort or skill means nothing, as long as you're a person capable and willing to dump a bunch of money into a game. Though I guess I can kinda get why these makers of these games would do it to make money, even though its annoying to so many players :(. I used to play Gaiaonline, but the cash shop utterly destroyed the economy of the game.

[@azinyefantasy4445]

You need to play more games lol. In some games, money can give you access to dungeons with no one in them and so you just farm an empty dungeon to max lvl. In another game the bosses dropped loot for last hit. 50$ would buy you a ruby that increased your attack by 3500. Now pair that with a skill that does 8+ combo and you are guaranteed the last hit 95% of the time. I have quit also 34+ games because premium players basically would soak my head in water and use it to clean their premium only mansion.

[@Pirateman1984]

+TheLazyPeon Everything that you said in this video is EXACTLY the Same reason I recently quit BDO.

[@flames0042]

Is this guy playing the same game? Couple points I don't think he is accurate on: 1) Grinding is not the most effective/efficient means of making money. While it might be included if you do not have a large energy pool the guides made by the people that actually are top 5 in money on their server agree on this point. 2) Researched guides have come out that level differences are almost irrelevant to effectiveness in pvp compared to the accuracy vs dp differences. You do not need to keep up with top leveled people to be useful and competitive. 3) Considering there is a lot of other content released in other areas already lets you know how to plan out your upgrades. Its like hard grinding a raid for gear right before a wow expansion release. Its really not necessary. Sure it helps, but you can plan way better than that and get more from your effort and time. That being said, if you are not having fun the game is not for you. But, this video is presented by someone playing as one of the top 1% hard core grinders would play.

[@jaketran2972]

+Andy Wallace Grinding rn is already top 2 ways to make money. Sure people might make more money by processing/gather, grinding is probbaly the easiest if you dont have a large energy pool (thats the majority of the player base.) Grinding only requires you to join up in a party and do mindless attacking while making 5M+ every 2 hours as well as leveling up. Level do affect you in pvp. There are already a shit ton of people who are 57 and a few 58. If you are someone who is level 53 and under, youre sure to get fked by people who are 57 because you need more accuracy to land a hit on them. Regardles, you are required by this game to keep up with grinding as it will benefits you in money and level and to stay relevant in guild wars/node wars. If you are not interested in pvp and want to level up professions thats fine, but people like peon likes pvp content and he feels like its a chore to grind. (Especially once you hit 55, it takes 30 minutes to get even 2% exp.)

[@gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804]

The only way to avoid a pay 2 win declaration is to make everything available in game in some way. If there are things that can ONLY be obtained through the shop that make your character legit better against other characters, it's pay2win, simple as that.

[@gamertherapyconsoleyoursel5804]

Also, I was the 6,666 comment. MWAHAHAHAHAHA

[@The_Blest]

There is nothing you can buy in BDO to make your character stronger or better than another. Just more efficient. Making it not pay to win but pay to convenience. It's true there is a lot of it. Behind that though, there is a genuinely good game. Since they merged the servers, everything is now able to be bought with in game money. Even pets, costumes, etc. The only thing that can't is the Ghillie. That only hides your name not your health bar.

[@Zullala]

I'm so sad to hear this! I played the 7 day trial and loved the game. I was planning on buying the game this month, but I haven't had time to play and basically it seems that you need a LOT of time. I hardly have time to play Clash of Clans lol.

[@bryan9ful]

Wish I had seen this video yesterday... Before buying the game...

[@ZenithDiSole]

AN THIS Boys and Grills: never NEVER BE Overhyped for a god damn videogame!!! But! I continue to love BDO because i didn't rush like many others ^^ (Actually i'm after ~2 months lvl 27 with my main, Giant) The Crafting bruh!! x)

[@TheLazyPeon]

+Zenith Vildkaarl Can't fault the crafting in the game, It's second to none

[@MikuOlliet]

+Zenith Vildkaarl Lvl 32 witch main, fishing is love. :P

[@catchmeghostbusting5313]

+Zenith Vildkaarl expected one of these comments. "lol i have 500 hrs in this game and i'm still lv 30, it's amazing" you haven't even actually played the game yet. doing repetitive crafting tasks without any actual depth aren't what we're complaining about.

[@tdamiba]

+TheLazyPeon I mostly feel like everyone rushed to endgame like always. BDO to me felt like it was something to take you time with. imo

[@coolhunter3]

+catch me ghostbusting Shut up dude, if someone spends 500 hours crafting in a sandbox game, who are you to tell them that they are not playing the actual game lmao.

[@jdinis1729]

Im gonna tell you a secret: You dont have to be the best player to have fun

[@NeverWolf]

yeah. you're missing the point. you have to grind tons to be competitive, not to be the best player. if I lose against someone because they just outplayed me I can still manage to have fun (as evidenced by my time in gw2 where some of the most fun I've had was losing I'm 1v1s) but if you lose simply because some asshole wasted his life more than you, that's not fun at all.

[@Rhanith]

+J Dinis I´m gonna tell you a secret too: nobody said something about being the best, listen closely; he said to be competetive, which is a completely other thing and understandable, too.

[@NightElveee]

sounds good on paper buddy hope in the game reality always hits differently

[@hinderkin]

This really helped me decide if I wanted to play this game or not. I'm not into grindy ass games and where the more money you throw at it puts you ahead of other players. I'm glad i didn't waste my time! :3

[@TY-df7fg]

Basically, as long as you don't care to be competitive it's a good MMO. Is this correct? Personally, I like endless grinding if the combat system is easy to understand.

[@voltronhasguns]

Yes, yes and yes. I could care less about being competitive and I love BDO

[@NamelessAzn388]

I would say yes. If you ever played GW2, the RNG is not as bad. I'm more of a PVE person myself and I think once they fix the lag on bosses it will be so much more fun (since you would be able to actually understand and work the mechanics). However, I think the reward versus time/skill is a little low and that's probably why I'm just going to use this MMO to tide me over to the next (hopefully the best) MMO.

[@DarksealStudios]

people forget to have "fun" playing games.... it's not about the destination, it's about the journey.

[@heathbrown4350]

+DarksealStudios Except if you want to PVP in this game it isn't "fun."

[@Taikomo]

I've watched quite a few of your first impressions videos recently. I find them really interesting, but I think a part of why you're unable to enjoy many of them, is that you're constantly comparing them to WoW. While sometimes that's totally fair, I think you should try to get a broader perspective in. Some games choose to have a slower pace, some games choose to have an instanced world. Even stopping and reading the quest text makes the leveling process a lot more fun in many cases, since not all of them are written or translated as badly as say Black Desert. Instead of getting angry at certain things in games, I'd like you to think why the developers went that way. If you play a game with another games rules, you will never enjoy it, no matter how good it actually is. Keep that in mind in the videos to come, and I'm sure they'll be even better. And I'm sure you'll find new things on MMO's you'll find enjoyable. Cheers

[@Overtone-1]

Cheers mate. I was planning to buy this game. But your video brought back bad memories and feels about WOW, random loot, horrible grind etc etc. To be honest I can't be bothered with that. Maybe I'll try it when It goes FTP, and not BTP. But It can't be denied that... that character design @10:36 is.. Damn .. Mouthwatering. }:>

[@onetimeracas5972]

I watched up to the point of how bad the bosses are, and I have to say this was good enough to keep me from wasting my time on this damn game. Thanks for saving me monies!

[@onetimeracas5972]

Honestly though I wouldn't take grinding up the ass so much. But I do see how many aspects of this game are rather duplicitous..

[@Sebastianlovesnuts]

Wow he saved you 5$ nice why don't you buy a ferrari instead?

[@spearhead4800]

Unfortunately people are being told lies because this is ranting about how hard it is to be the top in the world but the average gamer will experience fun content

[@MithranArkanere]

After playing Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 I can't stand all the grind in any of these new games. It's horrible. I will never understand how anyone can stand it. Guild Wars games ruin all other MMOs for you by making things so much better you can't stand the old styles anymore.

[@Architect1]

+MithranArkanere For some reason, I actually couldn't stand Guild Wars 2. I think it's because I felt like I wasn't progressing.

[@MithranArkanere]

There has been changes after feedback about that, so it may have changed since you tried.

[@TheTinyTimmyTimTim]

I bought it for 50, and I was so let down. Not because it's a bad game, but the things I love about mmos, namely the character creator and combat system, were very underwhelming. I got all my abilities 1 hour into the game. It got repetitive.

[@simulatethat6099]

I quit because the stories continued to be sub par and the event and resource grinding was unbearable. Guild Wars was amazing but the sequel....eh. It's just eh. It lost what made it great to me...the compelling story and diversity of build opportunities. Sure there were only a few top tier builds in guild wars, but you could still get by with less optimal builds and you could spend hours experimenting even years after the game's release. After the first few months in GW2 most of the different builds you could experiment with were exhausted. The same after the expansion, it doesn't take long to fully explore the interactions between the new skills and the heavily farmed parts of the world. It's all just too bland.

[@pronetodrift2395]

Game's combat was awful,I might play it if it wasn't terrible

[@jvargas150]

Hardly ever post for things like this but THELazyPeon is doing a GREAT Disservice to people.. HE IS TOTALLY off based, simply because of the way he is playing the game. This is NOT meant to be played in 1 week get to cap win the game.. this game is design so you DON"T have to be hardcore but can enjoy it with the casuals.. most of the people like HIM will quit and it will be a very excellent mmo for people to enjoy and ALWAYs improve there character. This streamer basically is complaining about the GREATEST thing this game has, you will always have something to do. Take this review with a grain of salt.. Although the p2w is dead on, his over all analysis is just terribly wrong.. TLDR: If you play a game for enjoyment and take your time this is a great game, that thelazypeon ruined for himself...

[@chriskeaten1126]

+Jonathan Vargas Agreed

[@mrh4237]

Video was made 4!years ago and still holds true. I was just talking to a few guild members about this on console. You spend hours a day, days a week, weeks a month playing all for your progression to be determined by rng unless you grind endlessly for billions on silver to buy 1 piece of gear that moves you 2 or 3 ap/dp. Not to mention if someone gets in your rotation and you kill them and the continue to come back and you go red and lose gear progression or crystals. You can’t even dec on some guilds either. And don’t let a more bearded player come around because how easy they can one shot you because their rng is better than yours and they can get better gear. I feel like I play this game only for lottery chance moments and even when I get something good I don’t feel good about because I wasted so much time getting it and it doesn’t even move me that much more ahead. I know a lot of people that have quit and more that are quit do to the bs in this game. At least pa could fix the damn lag and desync. I’ve been killed be invisible enemies more times then I’ve been killed by mobs or players. I don’t see this game lasting long on console. I myself am on the brink of quitting and going back to ffxiv which is a far better mmorpg. Pearl abyss need to truely unfuck themselves.

[@DitsyMe]

I also play console too I recently came back for the class reworks and what not the game is sadly gotten a lot worse on console they took out RBF because ps4 can't handle it which is ridiculous. The desync, lag, P2W, community got more toxic, and more people griefing which pisses me off the most. Try grind in a spot and someone just grind over you and you try to throw a decc on them and it won't go through because their guild is not ready for war that pisses me off. If PA don't get their head out of their asses the game is gonna die.