Black is the New White | Carlsen vs Caruana 2018. | Game 7

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Magnus Carlsen vs Fabiano Caruana
Carlsen - Caruana World Championship Match (2018), rd 7, Nov-18
Queen's Gambit Declined: Harrwitz (D37)
1.d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bf4 O-O 6. e3 c5 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Qc2 Nc6 9. a3 Qa5 10. Nd2 Qd8 11. Nb3 Bb6 12. Be2 Qe7 13. Bg5 dxc4 14. Nd2 Ne5 15. O-O Bd7 16. Bf4 Ng6 17. Bg3 Bc6 18. Nxc4 Bc7 19. Rfd1 Rfd8 20. Rxd8+ Rxd8 21. Rd1 Rxd1+ 22. Qxd1 Nd5 23. Qd4 Nxc3 24. Qxc3 Bxg3 25. hxg3 Qd7 26. Bd3 b6 27. f3 Bb7 28. Bxg6 hxg6 29. e4 Qc7 30. e5 Qc5+ 31. Kh2 Ba6 32. Nd6 Qxc3 33. bxc3 f6 34. f4 Kf8 35. Kg1 Ke7 36. Kf2 Kd7 37. Ke3 Bf1 38. Kf2 Ba6 39. Ke3 Bf1 40. Kf2
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@MahG23
@MahG23 5 жыл бұрын
The year is 2075: carlsen vs caruana game 6532 and all games have been drawn. Finally, Carlsen falls to the ground but caruana does so at the same time. Alas, another draw.
@helioneto4313
@helioneto4313 5 жыл бұрын
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
@altvali1
@altvali1 5 жыл бұрын
Game 6532 in 2075 would mean they played only one game every 3-4 days.
@MahG23
@MahG23 5 жыл бұрын
Ludovic - Valentin Brasso got me there
@Marcusjnmc
@Marcusjnmc 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@user-jq9fg3sk7q
@user-jq9fg3sk7q 5 жыл бұрын
You just ruined the video
@danielfox3434
@danielfox3434 5 жыл бұрын
I came here for the handshake analysis.
@AlwaysAudacity
@AlwaysAudacity 5 жыл бұрын
Notice Fabi didn't stand up to shake the kid's hand. Brute.
@bardhanjoy
@bardhanjoy 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is modern era where top grandmasters do not make mistakes. They are aided by powerful chess engines. They have nerve of steel and it is beyond the capacity of hobby chess players like me to understand why so much draws...why none of them blunder. They are so good and probably I will never understand exactly how good they are. My only consolation is agadmator's Chess Channel.
@Mitjitsu
@Mitjitsu 5 жыл бұрын
You don't expect world champion level players to make mistakes, never mind blunder in a long game format. That's not to say we've seen both players make weak moves at times.
@bardhanjoy
@bardhanjoy 5 жыл бұрын
​@@Mitjitsu Weak moves according to chess engines, right?....If you shut down the chess engines and then just see it over the boards......I asked my conscience, I couldn't find weak moves....everything looks weak once we turn on the engines. Watch even Tal's game, chess engines will disapprove. I am talking about human stand point. And yes, few years back even world champions made blunders, very few but yes they did...the percentage of blunders were more than what is now. Is the quality of chess is getting better? That's the topic needs thorough discussing.
@guineapig55555
@guineapig55555 5 жыл бұрын
chess-mogged
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
Are we watching two players so good that they just can't lose in classical time to each other? No, we are not. So why the draws, and as Joydeep brought up, why no "less than optimal" moves? I find this boring. Perhaps a less than optimal move creates the blunder by the opponent? I have seen it time and time again in past Championship games. Either way, and what ever the reasons, this is pretty boring chess.
@guineapig55555
@guineapig55555 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamie49868 Watch a recent interview of Kramnik; he rightly states that chess in the last two decades has become more about calculation than strategy, which explains why the greatest chess young prospects are the mechanically rote Chinese and Indians
@zaccheusmaximus1216
@zaccheusmaximus1216 5 жыл бұрын
Photo Challenge: You kept giving it away! His name is Yung Gentlmeyn
@shark-king-Ii
@shark-king-Ii 5 жыл бұрын
Don't tell me it's a draw For god sake please Lie to me
@rasmus3701
@rasmus3701 5 жыл бұрын
It's not a draw
@shark-king-Ii
@shark-king-Ii 5 жыл бұрын
@@rasmus3701 you are not a lier
@brbcrew9957
@brbcrew9957 5 жыл бұрын
Its a draw
@مرتضىالدراجي-خ2غ
@مرتضىالدراجي-خ2غ 5 жыл бұрын
I mean what do you want me to do
@bennyderripper
@bennyderripper 5 жыл бұрын
Was not smooth?!
@naseonhyeong
@naseonhyeong 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, you're an excellent content creator! Thanks for the upload Agad!
@ultrainstinctshaggy669
@ultrainstinctshaggy669 5 жыл бұрын
It was in this position that I decided to just enjoy the show
@Lancasper
@Lancasper 5 жыл бұрын
Agadmator be like I lost my job, my wife left me, I have no friends... BUT OK!
@swissboy362
@swissboy362 5 жыл бұрын
tough position but there are a few tricks left to play before you resign
@markrobs2954
@markrobs2954 5 жыл бұрын
@@swissboy362 I resign life
@kamanha746
@kamanha746 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! 🤣🤣 He should make a "..but ok" shirt
@johnnyspousta3136
@johnnyspousta3136 5 жыл бұрын
Wut? This is for real? :O
@shoaibaalam8978
@shoaibaalam8978 5 жыл бұрын
but its ok...lets go back to my life..HERE. when my wife left me i should have moved to light square house.but after shifting shifting..things simply did not work and Yeah.it was in this position that i decided to resign from life.
@lothair_mantelar
@lothair_mantelar 5 жыл бұрын
Grischuk is an excellent commentator
@nirot_
@nirot_ 5 жыл бұрын
Hello everyone! Welcome to another excellent video by Agadmator. If you are here this early, congratulations you are an excellent subscriber.
@HaroonKhan_7319
@HaroonKhan_7319 5 жыл бұрын
Yes yes
@tentor8501
@tentor8501 5 жыл бұрын
And for those of you who are just here to enjoy the show: Carlsen played d4 and it was in this position that the players agreed on a draw.
@jonathandonovan1802
@jonathandonovan1802 5 жыл бұрын
Torin shut up asshole
@ioaniorgu5662
@ioaniorgu5662 5 жыл бұрын
@@tentor8501😂😂😂
@pathutchison7688
@pathutchison7688 5 жыл бұрын
Also you have vast knowledge on the inner workings of KZbin’s notification system.
@royalkelin
@royalkelin 5 жыл бұрын
1:10 agadmator, a handshake analysis channel, or a chess analysis channel, can't remember
@williamburdon6993
@williamburdon6993 5 жыл бұрын
A handshake can say a lot about a man, he has the little boys complete hand in his grasp. was it accidental?
@williamburdon6993
@williamburdon6993 5 жыл бұрын
It probably means nothing , I am not an expert, but it seems odd to me.
@ohlongjohnson003er3
@ohlongjohnson003er3 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@irlporygon-z6929
@irlporygon-z6929 5 жыл бұрын
HANDSHAKE ANALYSIS CHANNEL
@nuwandalton
@nuwandalton 5 жыл бұрын
Carlsen survived his two Whites in a row unscathed. Surely he's a heavy favorite now, with three Blacks in five games 😄
@malonchirara813
@malonchirara813 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@pathutchison7688
@pathutchison7688 5 жыл бұрын
Every game of this series I’ve avoided finding out the result so that I could let your video do the reporting. And I haven’t been disappointed. This is the best chess channel on KZbin. Well done Agadmator.
@lordoozik7664
@lordoozik7664 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if we played the WCC in the old format where it was first to win 6. That would be madness.
@SquinkyThreepwood
@SquinkyThreepwood 5 жыл бұрын
They would need to buy apartments in London and apply for UK citizenship.
@yusufceylan5144
@yusufceylan5144 5 жыл бұрын
@@SquinkyThreepwood 😃😃
@sameermana2003
@sameermana2003 5 жыл бұрын
not neccesarily. if anything it might discourage drawish lines as it wouldnt really gain anything to get a draw
@bertbergers9171
@bertbergers9171 5 жыл бұрын
Well, would they go for wins or would they keep on going dor avoiding a loss?? I am curious, but these draws are no fun and not what you’d want to keep seeing in wcc
@bruzote
@bruzote 5 жыл бұрын
@@sameermana2003 - They are not playing for draws, actually. They are playing to not lose. There is a difference. The first one to lose then desperately needs a win, and must take even more chances against a player with a win who WILL play for draws to run out the match.
@laurencekant5180
@laurencekant5180 5 жыл бұрын
I'm lazy about openings too. It's boring after a while to go over the same patterns and sequences endlessly. So I can't really criticize Carlsson. I love surprises in chess, patterns and sequences that you don't expect. I look back at games by Tal and others and just love their dynamism and excitement. I wish we could see more of that. I understand why that's not happening, but I miss it and want to see some risk taking. Isn't chess supposed to be fun? I did enjoy Game 6 with the Petroff. That was an interesting game with some mind-bending twists through which you really had to think. That was fun. I genuinely enjoy agadmator and really appreciate your commentary. This is a lot of work for you, and I'm really impressed.
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
Championship Chess was a spectacle. A swashbuckling, macho battle. Dashing deeds, bewildering moves, blunders, and fire works. Every match had games and moves that left the GM's watching jaws agape in amazement and incredulity. Risks were rewarded and punished, but it was fun and exciting. This is very boring.
@kensalaz4460
@kensalaz4460 5 жыл бұрын
All these Draws is exactly what Fischer hated about where the direction of chess was going. He had a point.....
@nemninjano9313
@nemninjano9313 5 жыл бұрын
I have been enjoying your various series immensely, particularly the current one on the WCC 2018 match. Towards the end of your Carlsen-Caruana Game 7 video, you asked for comments regarding the prospect of a tie match, and the possibility of the World Championship Title being determined by Rapid, Blitz or (God forbid), an Armageddon game. So here goes: I am not a fan of mixing time formats to determine championship titles. There is room for Rapid, Blitz, Bullet, and Classical titles, and no need to confuse the process by having titles in one category being determined by games played in an entirely different format. I particularly think that using an Armageddon game to determine a champion is but a small step removed from using a coin flip to determine a sole champion. There is an easy solution to the problem of tied matches. First, make them long enough to make it less likely that the match will be drawn, should one opponent be marginally better than the other. (I would like to see a longer classical match than the current 12 games; 24 might be too long, but 20 seems to me to be an ideal number of games. Played in 6 groups of 3 games with a rest day on every fourth, plus three days for games 19 and 20 [game 18 - rest day - game 19 - rest day - game 20], that would total 27 days, with 2 more for opening and closing ceremonies, 29 days total. And that would be for a two year cycle; for a 1 year cycle, perhaps 10 games would be practical, but I favor a two year cycle.) Second, and this would be a major change, declare the players in a drawn match to be co-champions, splitting the prize fund 50-50. After all, if after 20 games one player cannot defeat the other, than I think it reasonable to conclude that they are of equal strength. Producing a winner by changing the nature of the games played defeats the purpose of the match in the first place, and is rather anachronistic in my view. It's akin to pleasing the crowd watching two gladiators fight, by insisting that they fight until one is killed - to please individuals not one of whom could have lasted for more than a minute against either opponent! Consider two past matches, Lasker vs Schlechter 1910, and Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987, both drawn. Is there any reason to think that the champion was the stronger of the two contestants because he was able to win the final game, drawing the match? Sure, it was exciting, but to me, it makes about as much sense as awarding the title to the player who scored the first win of the match. Neither player could defeat the other, so in my opinion, the match should have produced co-champions. Just my opinion, of course. I welcome others to chime in with theirs.
@mccreadyk
@mccreadyk 5 жыл бұрын
Agree on the idea of co-champions and keeping to the same format.
@renyhp
@renyhp 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you about the fact that the draws should produce a direct result, without tie breaks. At first glance I liked your idea of saying they're co-champions, but then what would you do two years after? Who of the two will the challenger challenge? I am even starting to think that the drawn match should declare the challenger as the new champion. That would mean we would probably see more champions, and if the ex-champion is really a strong player, he could re-challenge again the new champion as challenger after two years.
@prabhat859
@prabhat859 5 жыл бұрын
Shreyas Royal! Child prodigy from UK
@regzzuse280
@regzzuse280 5 жыл бұрын
Even his name is Royal, shit...
@مرتضىالدراجي-خ2غ
@مرتضىالدراجي-خ2غ 5 жыл бұрын
Who else start to love Fischer random
@cattycats4
@cattycats4 5 жыл бұрын
Fischer was correct, draws should not give any points and after 12 games it should be whoever has the most points wins and if the score is even keep playing
@revenant2979
@revenant2979 5 жыл бұрын
Giving a half a point is the same as giving none in a One to One Championship.
@SupereKrakersik
@SupereKrakersik 5 жыл бұрын
I just want to talk about content in this channel. The idea behind titles, jokes and way of talking just shows what happens when inteligent guy starts youtube. Interesting and ambitious idea of videos, titles with second meanings and jokes on point. Keep up with it Tony. Most pleasant place in yt.
@kcd850
@kcd850 5 жыл бұрын
agadmator videos make days perfect.
@AlwaysToxic
@AlwaysToxic 5 жыл бұрын
Damn, Carlsen wants the title via rapid.
@michaelvanzyl9418
@michaelvanzyl9418 5 жыл бұрын
Dalajkonik his rapid rating is over 2900 if I’m not mistaken
@triapoulakia6002
@triapoulakia6002 5 жыл бұрын
I think he is kinda bored wants to lose and make an epic comeback
@cyberdragon3889
@cyberdragon3889 5 жыл бұрын
The title of world champion isn’t obtained playing on the playstation, so better for him to draw instead to risk and maybe end up losing and going directly for rapid and blitz
@jamesknapp64
@jamesknapp64 5 жыл бұрын
i think that is a good idea for him, he's at least a 80% favorite if it goes to rapid whereas in classical time format its a 50/50
@vitakyo982
@vitakyo982 5 жыл бұрын
A dangerous strategy
@mr2octavio
@mr2octavio 5 жыл бұрын
Great! I just came back for a trekking and KZbin surprises me with an excellent video from Agadmator
@manu-ox4fe
@manu-ox4fe 5 жыл бұрын
Four hours for the whole game. It's more than enough. That will create more exciting games and increase the interes of the fans. The best prepare player will have the upper hand. Great video
@juanmayvale8021
@juanmayvale8021 5 жыл бұрын
"..:But I hope some of you got the joke" I love how he'll make a joke and still keep a perfectly serious face and tone.
@multiYellowHorse
@multiYellowHorse 5 жыл бұрын
Where’s the guy who promised us blood in game 7?
@julianwang860
@julianwang860 5 жыл бұрын
In hiding after the game 6 debacle.
@MasterChiefSamus
@MasterChiefSamus 5 жыл бұрын
Drawing half points from not so smooth games.
@soulreaverable
@soulreaverable 5 жыл бұрын
Well he did said blood would be DRAWN
@tsundoku5733
@tsundoku5733 5 жыл бұрын
The guy who promised us blood in game 7 is still sharpening his knives.
@manigopal92
@manigopal92 5 жыл бұрын
Lothar Schmid. We got the joke 😜
@AhmedEhab-dq7yz
@AhmedEhab-dq7yz 5 жыл бұрын
Can you explain it ?
@RBG9000
@RBG9000 5 жыл бұрын
@@AhmedEhab-dq7yz lothar shmid was the chief arbiter for the match of the century, fischer vs spassky, 1972. Probably the most popular arbiter of all time as he had to go through a lot of trouble to get both players to play the match, especially fischer.
@manigopal92
@manigopal92 5 жыл бұрын
@Ahmed Ehab Lothar Schmid is a German grandmaster who was awarded the International Arbiter (IA) title in 1975.He was the chief arbiter for the Bobby Fischer- Boris Spassky 1972, Karpov-korchnoi 1978, Kasparov-karpov 1986 World Championship matches, and for Fischer-Spassky 1992 (the 'Revenge Match'). Although it's not that simple, he played a crucial role as the chief arbiter in the 1972 WCC between Fischer and Spassky. You'll understand more about him if you watch any good documentary on the 1972 WCC match or Agadmator's 1972 WCC games coverage 👍🏻
@AhmedEhab-dq7yz
@AhmedEhab-dq7yz 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks you guys ... Buy still can't relate 😕
@ultrainstinctshaggy669
@ultrainstinctshaggy669 5 жыл бұрын
In this position, you resigned the game
@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725
@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 5 жыл бұрын
At least they should have an incredible picture with how much they are drawing
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
Stick figures. I don't see any beauty in these games, and very little imagination.
@61rmd1
@61rmd1 5 жыл бұрын
I regret the thrilling matches of Tal or Kasparov. Apart from a couple of nice matches (i.e. the first one), this challenge is getting boring. Very interesting analysis from Agadmator, as usual, i like his channel. I apologize for my English, greetings from Italy
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
I miss action and fire works. This is very boring. Perhaps it is because I am not expert enough to appreciate it, but I sure don't have any trouble appreciating old Tal, Fischer, or Kasparov matches, or an interesting Ivanchuk game. These have been dull and unexciting.
@lightningprowess6031
@lightningprowess6031 5 жыл бұрын
The same old stuff Just like 2016,magnus vs karjakin draw,draw,draw,draw,draw
@61rmd1
@61rmd1 5 жыл бұрын
to Simeon Kiflie: Thank you very much! I appreciated your note
@mohammedcharlesmurphy2837
@mohammedcharlesmurphy2837 5 жыл бұрын
Here are my ideas (in order of preference): 1. Go back to 24 games 2. First to win 3 games 3. First to have a lead of +3 4. Gauntlet: no switching of colours if there is a draw. 5. Change the point system: 1.5 for win with black; 1 for win with white; 0.5 for draw; 6. Some combination of the above
@lightningprowess6031
@lightningprowess6031 5 жыл бұрын
24 draws
@praskkondom1711
@praskkondom1711 5 жыл бұрын
I'm really starting to hate that word "draw" :D
@LoveKari09
@LoveKari09 5 жыл бұрын
me too. i would prefer fabi (i'm italian) to lose like fischer in game 1, but no more draws please!
@lightningprowess6031
@lightningprowess6031 5 жыл бұрын
this's a normal stuff Just like in 2016 magnus vs karjakin 12 classical games = 10 draws
@Mynameisntmegan
@Mynameisntmegan 5 жыл бұрын
@@lightningprowess6031 Right? And a large majority of high level chess games are drawn. But people for some reason are incredulous that they've drawn so many games.
@ramanparashar1
@ramanparashar1 5 жыл бұрын
Quality of your videos is just perfect...A nice example of good content on KZbin. Seems like you are doing what you love.
@rikkibk8835
@rikkibk8835 5 жыл бұрын
In the candidates there were 8 players and each one played with everyone else 2 times, thus each player played 14 matches and 56 matches played in total. From these 56 only 20 were wins and the other 36 were draws. In such a tournament the point system has to be half a point for the draw and 2 points for the win. Even better would be 2 points for the win with white pieces and 3 points for the win the black pieces. That last configuration holds water since in the beginning of the game white are technically slightly better. I think with that addition (3 points the black win, 2 points the white win, and 1/2 points the draw), even the games for the new champion will become less drawish (for sure the candidates tournament will become less drawish).
@madwithpower7042
@madwithpower7042 5 жыл бұрын
What do you think about Chess960 tiebreaks in classical time format?
@piiodermatt2954
@piiodermatt2954 5 жыл бұрын
What about the idea of using Fischer Chess 960 for the tiebreack with classical time format instead of rapid games? We want to find out the chess world champion and its the one who is the strongest live on the board, not the one with best memory or best chess engineering team supporting him. Classical time format because its a classical event of course.
@RR-rk5gj
@RR-rk5gj 5 жыл бұрын
I'm beginning to warm to Fischer Chess 960 more and more. I think this statement says it perfectly: "World Championship games are expected to last four, perhaps even six hours. This one was over in little more than two. The Indian World Champion was destroyed; nay, humiliated. On Bulgarian television that night, Topalov explained that the entire game had been prepared by him and his team at home; he didn’t need to find a single original move to score a simple first game victory." - Ian Rogers
@SB7G4
@SB7G4 5 жыл бұрын
They should definitely integrate the 960 variation, brings out the real chess talent
@theconnorhansen
@theconnorhansen 5 жыл бұрын
That's interesting, but some positions can give quite an advantage to one player. It seems tenuous to give the championship title to the player who received a better position from the random draw.
@CaradhrasAiguo49
@CaradhrasAiguo49 5 жыл бұрын
@@theconnorhansen The 2018 Champions Showdown in St. Louis had each 960 position being played with each color at least once.
@lollycopter
@lollycopter 5 жыл бұрын
But chess needs memory.
@Filas414
@Filas414 5 жыл бұрын
I agree the only way to keep the classical time format is to force the challenger attack by making it so that the draw in all 12 games means the champion holds his title.
@malonchirara813
@malonchirara813 5 жыл бұрын
that would be even more boring, Carlsen would just prepare Wall positions to secure draws and he is great at that
@Filas414
@Filas414 5 жыл бұрын
@@malonchirara813 that's why this time format won't work anymore I think
@krzysztofkolodziejczyk4335
@krzysztofkolodziejczyk4335 5 жыл бұрын
Frankly with Carlsen prowess in rapid it's almost like that anyway.
@Trainer_of_Champions
@Trainer_of_Champions 5 жыл бұрын
They need to introduce a 20k prize for every win or something.There needs to be some incentive to push for the win. More people than ever before are probably watching and following this WCC than ever before but all these draws are just killing the whole spectacle. Even hardcore chess fans are getting pissed off .
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
Something needs to be done. How about like a skins golf game? 10k on each game, draws carry over. Right now there would be 80k on game 8. Or maybe a reverse pool? Something like starting with 120k (arbitrary number here) and for every draw, the prize money drops. I don't want to penalize a player for pulling out an amazing improbable draw, but that would mean his opponent went for it, and that is what we want.
@vivek_yt
@vivek_yt 5 жыл бұрын
I feel sleepy while watching the World Chess Championship ,except the 1st match.
@TheBetterVersion
@TheBetterVersion 5 жыл бұрын
You mean the first half of the first match, because the other half is just carlsen grinding
@htjjidr5rk
@htjjidr5rk 5 жыл бұрын
What about 6?
@SenorQuichotte
@SenorQuichotte 5 жыл бұрын
Chess Snoozefest 2018
@homeriver9121
@homeriver9121 5 жыл бұрын
I am loving this world championship. As someone who doesn't play chess, the physiological warfare is fascinating. The stress in both o them must be unbearable. Two great champions! The more draws, the more each game's importance grows! One mistake, one piece of brilliance can win it all! Truly breath taking. As its Magnus's title it 's got to be won from him! Think Fabiano is edging the fight, but one error Magnus will strike. Love your channel, your superb insight and most of all your enthusiasm. Much appreciated Guess they should settle it with a game of take the brain!!. BRILLIANT
@JackSanRio
@JackSanRio 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone here from discord... wonderful idea
@plentifulnoodles
@plentifulnoodles 5 жыл бұрын
Agadmator has a discord now? May I have the link if so?
@learnnow7489
@learnnow7489 5 жыл бұрын
discord? what do you mean?
@JackSanRio
@JackSanRio 5 жыл бұрын
@@plentifulnoodles Check the description first link
@JackSanRio
@JackSanRio 5 жыл бұрын
@@learnnow7489 check description first link
@gawayne1374
@gawayne1374 5 жыл бұрын
It should be called the 2018 chess art gallery. You must admit they are very good at drawing!
@lightningprowess6031
@lightningprowess6031 5 жыл бұрын
Just like in 2016,magnus vs karjakin 12 classical games = 10 draws
@fotoviano
@fotoviano 5 жыл бұрын
agree. gotta knock out the champ. force the action. better yet, go with the whole 3 point, 1 point spirit in football - match ends in a draw after 12 games, convert it to an open with the champ and all the candidates.
@muribmor
@muribmor 5 жыл бұрын
Changing the initial position of the pieces and disabling theory, both were quickly smashed by Fisher is his prime.
@neuron05
@neuron05 5 жыл бұрын
agadmator, the only way you can get better is having a counter that shows what turn it is and maybe even a history of the last 3 moves.
@richglenn3729
@richglenn3729 5 жыл бұрын
I was afraid someone might actually win a game.
@EebstertheGreat
@EebstertheGreat 5 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of making the series longer (maybe 20 games), using standard time controls (90 minutes +30 after move 40 with 30 sec increment), and simply ending with no decision if the final score is tied. If the match is indecisive, the incumbent champion retains his title. It makes more sense than deciding the winner with blitz games.
@panda4247
@panda4247 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with the proposition that if (after 12 or whatever games) the match is tied, then the old champion keeps the title; the challenger has to push harder to win. I mean, with current format it may all come down to the armageddon format, where white has to win to win the match, but it seems there is more left to the chance (the color is decided by drawing of lots, and there is only 1 game of sudden death)... With the world records in sport, the first one to achieve certain thing holds the record. You may get equal result, but the record is still held by the first guy. You have to be better to get it for yourself. "So 12 draws = Carlsen wins" is not a bad idea at all. After all, if you are challenging the champion, you better have something prepared.
@Mornings
@Mornings 5 жыл бұрын
I would say it has been going Fabi's way so far. No losses and now has white for 3 of the last 5 games. However, if they make it out of that his chances will start going down massively.
@sumikorbekv6266
@sumikorbekv6266 5 жыл бұрын
Same as sergey but carlsen made a plot twist
@shubhendushekhar6590
@shubhendushekhar6590 5 жыл бұрын
Very exciting lines to watch at very exciting times
@richardfeynman5560
@richardfeynman5560 5 жыл бұрын
Both players seem to be very careful, avoiding too much risk. One draw after the other is the result. Also many thanks to Agadmator for his always profound analysis. I appreciate this very much!
@Nygge1982
@Nygge1982 5 жыл бұрын
I got a new problem now, I can't wait for the next agadmator video everyday!
@jameshaigh5679
@jameshaigh5679 5 жыл бұрын
Not surprising there have been lots of draws - they are evenly matched and neither of them have made any errors so far.
@adamdunlaptv
@adamdunlaptv 5 жыл бұрын
Fischer said chess is dead. This world championship is showing that. There is no longer any creativity or art in the game. Computers and memorization had killed it. I think we ought tonplay Fischer Random. It's the next evolution. Agadmator - what do you think about Fischer's view and his appeal to play the new version?
@Monsterdub34
@Monsterdub34 5 жыл бұрын
So glad I subbed a few months ago. I'm very proud to be a part of this awesome channels growth. The love of chess is alive and well!
@محمدطالب-ظ8ط
@محمدطالب-ظ8ط 5 жыл бұрын
I do think that the challenger must have the advantage in the classical time control in order to win the title. If it is not proven that there is someone better than the current champion, the champion should keep his title. Also, I believe that the classical time format is enough for the challenger to prove himself. The champion doesn't have to prove any thing, he is the champion after all.
@bluenetmarketing
@bluenetmarketing 5 жыл бұрын
I agree that going back to the old way is best. It was good enough for Spassky and Fischer, it is good enough for today.
@mrrobot790
@mrrobot790 5 жыл бұрын
I swear there was a quote above the board on one of your videos about true masters being able to draw any game. Seems like it's time to do the recycling 👍
@عبدالرحمنالقدومي-ف5ي
@عبدالرحمنالقدومي-ف5ي 5 жыл бұрын
Magnus Carlsen vs Harry Potter
@jonathandonovan1802
@jonathandonovan1802 5 жыл бұрын
عبدالرحمن القدومي no, artie zhiff
@carlosmaruenda3888
@carlosmaruenda3888 5 жыл бұрын
I really laughed at this one for some reason
@kckcmctcrc
@kckcmctcrc 5 жыл бұрын
If the match is tied after 12 games, tie breaks will be played on the final day in the following order, if necessary: --Best of 4 rapid games (25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move). The player with the best score after four rapid games is the winner; otherwise they proceed to blitz games.--Up to five mini-matches of best of 2 blitz games (5 minutes plus 3 seconds increment after each move). The player with the best score in any two-game blitz match is the winner. If all five two-game matches are tied, an "Armageddon" game is played.--One sudden death "Armageddon" game: White receives 5 minutes and Black receives 4 minutes. Both players receive an increment of 3 seconds starting from move 61. The player who wins the drawing of lots may choose the color. In case of a draw, the player with the black pieces is declared the winner.
@allistairelliott
@allistairelliott 5 жыл бұрын
Re your comment at 22.20. There might be a different approach worth considering. Instead of playing the classical games first, why not play the rapid and blitz games first, and then the bullet game if necessary. The idea behind this is to ensure that one player has an advantage going into the classical format thus forcing the other player to challenge more. The one drawback to this approach might be that one player has too great an advantage going into the classical games. However, perhaps limit the number of rapid and blitz to 8 games overall, and up classical to 18. Perhaps model this approach somwhere first, to see what the issues are. It might be worth a shot.
@davidwilliams7935
@davidwilliams7935 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a guy who hasn't thought about chess for over 45 years. Instead it's your channel (with your excellent presentation skill and knowledge) that has got me interested, at least in the world of analysis. I know this was supposed to be a big moment in chess, but I don't see it increasing chess participation. How ever the ranking system works it sure seems to have figured this guys right--there a dead match. And then this new thing (at least to me) of memorizing dozens (hundreds?) of super-computer moves. I don't know if the 21st century has been good to chess. Any excitement seems to be drained out.
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
Chess Championships are what used to bring in more players. There was a macho swashbuckling, even glamor to the event. Daring deeds, bold moves, blunders, and fireworks were the norm. It seemed that every game the GMs covering it would drop their jaws at some of the moves. Even draws were interesting. This is boring.
@Mynameisntmegan
@Mynameisntmegan 5 жыл бұрын
@@dave3749 You should try lichess.org. All the bells and whistles are free, along with way more chess variants and tutorials. All free.
@ajedrezbrasil7968
@ajedrezbrasil7968 5 жыл бұрын
Draws happen a lot in chess, especially when two grandmasters are playing. It's not a dead match. The problem is they are playing too conservative, that's why draw is so much more likely. Anyway, after 12 draws they will play a very exciting rapid game. It's impossible to always play the best movie on rapid.
@AlexAyoub_
@AlexAyoub_ 5 жыл бұрын
In case anyone is not watching Chess24's live coverage of these matches, Grischuk's commentary is legendary. it is on KZbin, it is free and worth your time.
@kilimanjarno
@kilimanjarno 5 жыл бұрын
Since you ask the question, I think so far this can be considered positive for Caruana; however if it is tied at the end of the classical games I'd have to say Carlsen retains his title in the rapid and blitz. As long as we have many daring chessplayers who take risks and explore creative novelties I don't think classical chess is in trouble at all. And we have *many* great classical time control players. For example Ding Liren, the up and coming chess powerhouse, is a great classical player.
@precioustreasures6045
@precioustreasures6045 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah i think you are right..classical championship should be decided by classical games not by rapid..if the challenger fails to win a game after the scheduled # of games, then he has no right to take the title..the champ should have this priveledge inherent for his title.
@julian_b
@julian_b 5 жыл бұрын
You need some "hello everyone" merch. I'd buy it :-)
@X00000370
@X00000370 5 жыл бұрын
Hard to say which player has an advantage going forward but Caruana seems better prepared and Carlsen has been "pushing" to create winning chances without anything to show for his efforts. It feels like if one player wins one game it will be over for the other...
@nimabaradaran3471
@nimabaradaran3471 5 жыл бұрын
it's very exciting that we share this championship here together,tnx for that @agadmator
@FarhanAGondal
@FarhanAGondal 5 жыл бұрын
this is such a shame. none of them have courage to create some brave chances to win
@hodiondo
@hodiondo 5 жыл бұрын
I know you probably wont see it but i will have a try. I just want to say thank you. Since I discovered you channel in the end of last year i got in love in chess. I started training and my college because of this and yesterday we were college regional champions, so again thank you very much
@arrowghost
@arrowghost 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, another draw, what a fight we had since Carlsen VS Karjakin
@michaelz6555
@michaelz6555 5 жыл бұрын
Turn up the heat a little at a time. Twelve games at 40/2. If tied at twelve, then sudden death, four games each at 40/90, then 40/60, then 40/30, then game at 30. Even with players as evenly matched as these two, this thing will probably be done before game 20.
@aayushagrawal7143
@aayushagrawal7143 5 жыл бұрын
It's 4:30 AM in India..waited for your video for my peaceful sleep! Kudos!
@terrancedaniel9478
@terrancedaniel9478 5 жыл бұрын
That chief operator joke was too funny lol
@MartinUToob
@MartinUToob 5 жыл бұрын
CRUSHED IT! Another pretty good analysis. Thanks.
@naoufal450
@naoufal450 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this in 2021.. the chief arbiter joke cracked me up lol glad I've watched the Fischer vs Spassky series first
@christopheraugust4919
@christopheraugust4919 5 жыл бұрын
#suggestion for your merchandise: -the Agadmator Immortal -so what's the idea? - the immortal doge/ smiley face I have tons more and would love to send a few pictures
@jaimeduncan6167
@jaimeduncan6167 5 жыл бұрын
I agree about draws. One option will be: first defends the challenger is forced to win the match ( the champion will be playing for the draws). Second defense : the champion is forced to win the match. Other option: random at the start of the match a coin decides who is forced to win. I prefer the first option
@EpicMCTroll
@EpicMCTroll 5 жыл бұрын
Most games in a world championship will be drawn. However, Carlsen will be a heavy favorite in rapid/blitz if these games continue to be drawn. Still, can’t wait for first blood!
@jamie49868
@jamie49868 5 жыл бұрын
True about the draws. However, I have seen amazing comeback draws, improbable draws, and blundered win draws that were very exciting and interesting. Not all draws are created equally...and these are boring.
@giladplen
@giladplen 5 жыл бұрын
Chief Arbiter Lothar Schmid! Haha was Hilarious!😂😂
@sportsglobal9527
@sportsglobal9527 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s time to mix chess up same number of pieces and play on a ten by ten board with two own files to begin with or one player Stacey’s with two knights and one with two bishops. Just an idea just to mix the game up and offer a unique challenge to these top players to make them have to think outside the box. Or maybe another option is to get rid off the repetitive check rule which ends with a draw. Maybe only allow two continuous checks before another move as to be made. Maybe for a game that’s centuries old it’s time to spice it up a bit and allow a few changes to the game.
@jvarunkumar
@jvarunkumar 5 жыл бұрын
@agadmator Thoughts regarding drawn championship, decided using rapid games. One way would to be give a disadvantage to the current world champion The candidate challenger has to beat 7 other players to play for world chess championship, but the previous winner gets a free chance. This never happens in any other game say football/Cricket, where previous winner is not given any advantage. Since chess gives advantage to the previous world champion by giving him a free ticket, they should balance it by making sure that if the world champion wants to retain the title, he should win the classical format. If the classical format is drawn, then he loses his world champion title and a new world champion is produced. This has several advantages. 1) Atleast one guy is playing to win, which creates exciting games. 2) Every 2 years its possible to get a new world champion, instead of one guy sitting there for the next 10 years. 3) It also equalizes the undue advantage, the previous world champion is getting by receiving a direct invite to the world chess championship.
@Robin0Blackett
@Robin0Blackett 5 жыл бұрын
Five draws to go. Rapid will settle everything.
@mayankjha1443
@mayankjha1443 5 жыл бұрын
Everytime I see the World Chess Championship, it has started to remind me of what Agadmator once said, "Who would like to see Botvinik vs Petrosian"?
@outkast762
@outkast762 5 жыл бұрын
I finally tried Chess960 last night after watching yet another draw. I understand the appeal and had fun playing it.
@mr2octavio
@mr2octavio 5 жыл бұрын
One question for the more experienced players, I'm having trouble finding why is on the 5:25 mark c5 by white not a good move, the bishop has nowhere to go then. Thanks!
@morallygray6527
@morallygray6527 5 жыл бұрын
I guess I’d say because if c5, Bc7, Bxc7, Qxc7 it gives the Queen a free development move and gets the Queen off the d-file. But then white has nb5 after gaining a tempo on the queen. It seems pretty equal to be2, but I think be2 is a bit better because it allows the bishop to get into the game and clears the way for castling.
@soroshsadeghi2978
@soroshsadeghi2978 5 жыл бұрын
I believe instead of rapid game, championship should continue by standard time, but the board should be turned to 90 degree, means instead of H1 white square there should be H1 black square, then who could adjust to the new board faster perhaps is a better player. Assuming someone who drives car outside of British system has some difficulties in London or vis versa. The rules are the same the game is the same but the state of mind is not the same in new situation. Like football after the half time teams are playing in opposite direction. Perhaps it takes another 100 years, that grand masters to memorize all the games in opposite board. Or, how about just flipping the coin. Soroush Sadeghi
@ahadnardekar5501
@ahadnardekar5501 5 жыл бұрын
Caruana and Carlsen are true artists. They just love to draw!
@hevs5487
@hevs5487 5 жыл бұрын
I like this chanel. I'm a english language student and i can understant every frase.
@RaptoHs
@RaptoHs 5 жыл бұрын
I think it was MVL on Chess.com broadcast, he said at this level of chess playing as black is easier because as black you are playing to equalize as white you are the one to create advantages. White at high level of chess is so dominant over the past years simply because of the advantage of being the first to move and control. If the match goes to blitz we all know that Carlsen is 1 or 2 levels above Caruana at blitz. So Caruana needs to win a game to at least pressure Magnus and stay in the match if not he needs to show that he can be creative and precise with surpeme time management.
@santhoskumar1369
@santhoskumar1369 5 жыл бұрын
so is that what " Black is new white means"
@mirawenya
@mirawenya 5 жыл бұрын
I think caruana will win. If still drawn by the last game, he has nothing to lose going for a very sharp line, and he’s so good at opening preparations.
@theconnorhansen
@theconnorhansen 5 жыл бұрын
Win by 2. Add some minimum number of games to be played, like an 8 game minimum. That way the payers would be incentivized to push if they have an advantage no matter the score since they are forced to win at least 2 games, and by 2 games. This would also encourage players to play more aggressively with the advantage given from having the white pieces.
@Gegess3n
@Gegess3n 5 жыл бұрын
Bought a shirt as a donation, thank you for a good content! Cheers from Tennessee
@tomislavblazevic2742
@tomislavblazevic2742 5 жыл бұрын
I think the current 12 game format is very appropriate. Also, it is fair that ties are settled by rapid and blitz, because these disciplines are also a part of a chess player's proficiency. To leave the champion with the title after a 6:6 tie, would be an anti-climactic insult to viewers.
@zenpharaohs
@zenpharaohs 5 жыл бұрын
Lothar Schmidt was a long time ago, yes? First time I ever heard of an arbiter was Fischer-Spassky '72
@Nash9r
@Nash9r 5 жыл бұрын
Watching Grischuk play live Blitz on KZbin and after that Agadmator's analysis. What times we live in ;)
@fily91ct
@fily91ct 5 жыл бұрын
I just realize that in the last year and half, your face is the one i seen most ,agad! And actually even hearing your voice! Get out from my head! Just kidding, congratulation for your 300000sub and for your channel in general 😉 , i m a really old subscriber and i didnt lost a single video,i seen improving your channel and i did the same in chess! Thanx for everything antonio
@kaushiktechno
@kaushiktechno 5 жыл бұрын
Classical chess championship should be decided by classical time control. If its not happening then some rules must be modified or even changed if necessary #agadmator
@thedriver7348
@thedriver7348 5 жыл бұрын
What a great moment for the youngster and chess! Beautiful
@christose9247
@christose9247 5 жыл бұрын
each player starts with an additional queen in replace of a pawn if they keep drawing
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