black kpop stans aren’t the problem: it’s just YOU. (rant)

[@_Brea_]

U popped off sis, they just mad cuz they don't have flavor like us BUT WANT IT SO BADDD

[@ajanugu]

had to come back to this one

[@soljisdreamer]

🙁

[@soph132]

And in the case that a black kpop stan is actually toxic, why can't they just be called "toxic kpop stans?" You never hear toxic non-black kpop stans being called toxic WHITE kpop stans, toxic ASIAN kpop stans, etc. But when a toxic stan just happens to be black, people start complaining about toxic BLACK kpop stans, as if toxicity is somehow linked to race. It feels like the idea of the "toxic black kpop stan" only became widespread so that non-black kpop stans can use the term to immediately dismiss black people's opinions when their faves are being called out for something but they don’t want to sound overtly racist.

[@f.t633]

as a non black person im seriously disgusted at the people saying black people are jealous of the success of their fav idols when these idols wouldnt have their careers if it werent for black culture like !!!!! like its seriously not that hard to just acknowledge that and to admire a culture from afar without trying to steal from it and appropriate it yikes

[@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062]

I'm more surprised by the audacity of some people saying Black people are jealous of their fav idols 💀💀

[@f.t633]

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 its ridiculous because Black songwriters and producers are responsible for their faves' hits and success lmaooo, like why do people say that red velvet has one of the best discographies in kpop?? thats because Black artists were producing their music. so to turn around and say theyre jealous ?!?!?!?!? the clownery luv

[@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062]

@@f.t633 like I wouldn't even say that because it doesn't make sense?? 😭 Kpop's literally based on black culture so logically, Black people are jealous of their own culture?? Make it make sense 💀💀💀

[@f.t633]

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 if being around kpop stans had taught me anything is that they will claim their faves paved the way for literally anything, they probably claim they they were the first to land on the moon for all i know

[@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062]

@@f.t633 LMAOOO, seriously 😭😭, I get how you feel, for me it's how most can't really handle criticism or can't handle facts, okay I can say they had a redemption arc if they changed but the way they can't handle facts irritates me sm like Idc if your oppa/noona was titled as the best Vocalist or whatever by non vocal normies, if their abilities are subpar, don't talk to me about that 💀💀

[@nathanjuste6778]

so rich how they hit us with the "they don't know your culture" like they aren't really biggest culture vultures out there like please be serious, they've known about it since the 90s it's the foundation of kpop!!!

[@callyszt]

I've always wondered how KPOP fans say that excuse when literally half the industry wears cornrows or box braids for a teaser or a performance, clearly they are aware of black culture.

[@Anjaeee]

This is very true when you think about it. You really hit the nail on the head here. From the way that we speak, the way we walk, the way we sing, rap, dance, dress, even act to some extent, they are VERY aware of it. If nonblack kpop stans would put away the delusion & bias, they’d clearly see that the kpop industry is hyper aware of black people & black culture. The problem starts with them not respecting the culture & the people they are so heavily influenced by.

[@suhoics]

the point you made abt some black ktubers opening the door for nonblacks to comment on black issues is so true ! why do some feel the need to talk abt black issues they’ll never experience

[@lovechoerrymotion5086]

Yup. And it's a handful of them too. Like that's the content they choose to make and their CONTENT with that???🤨🤦🏿‍♀️

[@sookiez1269]

That everglow-up person does it all the time

[@lovechoerrymotion5086]

@@sookiez1269 yup. Exactly who I thought of. She does it ALL the time

[@sookiez1269]

@@lovechoerrymotion5086 it’s acc embarrassing cuz as an African born in America with American citizenship but has lived in both places she always compares our problems when they’re incomparable Ive Seen both sides of that coin and she can only look at one

[@bardonirico9454]

as a black and latin person, it's so weird to get into kpop and see a big part of the community being extremely anti-black towards stans that call out problematic behavior on idols or companies. those people aren't even afraid to show how much they can blame black people for the cultural appropriation, and usage of the n-word, and don't fuck with racist jokes that idols persist in doing from time to time.

[@ajanugu]

TALK TO EM 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@victoria-cp4ui]

call everglow up out baby!

[@Albaniannnnn]

WAIT A MINUTE WHAT DID THEY DO

[@pinkvixenz]

YES SHE PMO SHE REALLY TRIED TO VICTIMIZE JISUNG FOR HIS PREDEBUT RAP WHICH HAD HIM BEING BLATANTLY RACIST

[@sarahlee2715]

@@Albaniannnnn they made a video about how African Americans think the world revolves around them and said we shouldn’t judge kpop idols for…being antiblack??💀

[@Albaniannnnn]

@@sarahlee2715 oh omg. Didn’t know. I don’t watch their videos but I always thought they were a nice person omg

[@theetaurus1832]

they’re so annoying

[@BubblyBlunt]

I have noticed Kpop stans have been saying how black Kpop stans need to forgive and forget when all honesty it’s non of their damn business 😪

[@somethingisnotrighthere3831]

About kewn black K-Tubers I always think of Everglow-Up as their poster child. She is African (Zimbabwean to be exact.) I am also African (born and raised in the US) and she is an example of how some African people will trivialize the issues of other black people who live in America simply because they don’t care or don’t relate. A lot of African people operate on this mentality that they are much better off building bridges with nonblack people as opposed to other black people who just happen to be from America. There’s a reason why most of the people commenting their agreement under her video about Giselle are nonblack 💀 She caters to nonblack people who need a token black friend or celebrity to validate their racist and ignorant beliefs.

[@Evieess]

please i remember in one of her videos she said “i live in africa where we have real problems” like what????? so getting killed for your skin color in the us isn’t a problem…

[@oddeyejuju9502]

@@Evieess and she wrote “its black people who need to learn, not giselle” on one of her videos…😭

[@soljisdreamer]

@@Evieess SO UNSERIOUS

[@rinarina9424]

Extremely true and as an African born in Canada I def can peep how other Africans constantly love to be xenophobic towards AA’s and minimalize their issues (my brothers already do it 2 oh I’m in hell)

[@somethingisnotrighthere3831]

@@rinarina9424 Exactly! I try to see “both sides” of this issue since I grew up in a largely African community but I am from America and American at heart. A lot of them (specifically immigrants, not individuals who still live on the continent) cite xenophobia that they have faced from AAs as the main reason they act this way. That’s why her behavior is so strange to me. I myself have faced bullying from non-African black children when I was in elementary school, but even then I do not harbor the same vitriol for African-Americans that she does, and she’s an African who lives in Africa. I think she has her own bigotry and biases she needs to sort out.

[@hatrgatr]

And sometimes it’s our own people that try to come for us in some sick, twisted ploy to be like “I’m not like the average black person!” Sickening.

[@constantlyannoying]

I was trying to explain to this white girl who hated me that it’s my culture to cuss sometimes or speak my mind when I feel like something is wrong. And here comes this random bitch like “um I don’t cuss and I’m black.” Like girl that’s cool but most black people I know are this way most aave phrases include cuss words like hellooo??

[@Planetice101]

Pov: Everglow-up

[@nanadivemy4412]

This needed to be said. There are certain youtubers who keep trying to play the contrarian role with a condescending attitude and dedication to defending idols who do wrong actions as if holding them accountable is bad. They always try to bring up the 'dumb twitter fans' argument as an excuse to deviate from the fact that these idols are being called out for a reason. Harrassment is not ok but calling someone out is not wrong either. Those channels also foster a space of racism and then the racists use them to defend their bigoted views. I swear a lot of them just wanna act like they are above the 'dumb twitter fans' but make themselves look even more foolish.

[@soljisdreamer]

!!!!

[@somethingisnotrighthere3831]

This is a whole word. I like to call these channels “fake-nuanced” in the sense that they present their opinions in such a way that postures them as the “smart” Kpop fans who have this quintessential “common sense” that the “fake woke, dumb Twitter stans” fundamentally lack. Meanwhile these KZbinrs act and move just like the fans they complain about so much, the only difference being they’re on the other side of the argument.

[@blaader]

im non black and oh my god. people out of the black spectrum are just SO OUT OF THE WORLD??? i already saw people saying that black stans just want to overreact over anything and cancel idols when the idol is right at the screen shouting a n word and mocking black people or making colorist jokes. are we on the same page?

[@callyszt]

As an Asian person I am truly horrified, like these people said a slur specifically derogatory to black people and people STILL defend them. You would think these idols would learn to NOT say the n-word after so many scandals of idols saying the n-word. And just because an idol doesn't know what it means doesn't make it less offensive.

[@Taetaetea7]

I literally commented of how i was disappointed again by jennie and bp and she needs to educate herself kpop stans came at me saying i am pressed and misogynistic 💀

[@just_apotato]

If you're talking about Jennie wearing cornrows, isn't The Weekend directing the movie or something?

[@just_apotato]

@@somethingisnotrighthere3831 ? Chile nvm.

[@honsool]

@@just_apotato he’s a producer. Don’t know where that correlates lmfao her role isn’t a cultural appropriator…and all black people arent a monolith…so everyone isn’t going to feel the same

[@just_apotato]

@@honsool where did I say that everybody was going to feel the same? I think that I would know that as a black person. I’m pretty sure a producer oversees everything, so clearly the stylist got the okay from somebody. As long as she isn’t playing a stereotype/ being disrespectful with those braids on, there should be no problem. Do I like them on her? Absolutely not. Do I think she should wear them? No. Do I understand why she’s wearing cornrows? No, because why exactly can’t she wear a high ponytail and her hair isn’t being protected from anything. All I’m saying is that y’all should also be mad at the black people who allowed her to wear them and who braided her hair.

[@hoimanchen752]

You speak the truth, without hip hop rap and r&b from America there wouldn't be music that exist today in asia. I grew up listening mainly rap and hip hop from the 80s and 90s and 2000s. I didn't really listen to pop or rock that much growing up. P.S. I luv Tinashe❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@soljisdreamer]

YASSS

[@airheadwonnie]

im SO tired. as a black kpop stan it's so sickening to see NON BLACK STANS trying to silence us! like WEEEEE are the reason yall have all of the music now put some respect on our names!

[@rustyshackleford6376]

I'm not even black but got creeped out by the constant comments about kpop rappers being better than American rappers. A lot of kpop fans are anti black but wanna use black culture and in some cases act like they made it "better" (it's not it's cringey at best, kind of rare when a rap in kpop doesn't sound bad or flat). The racism and bullying in general made me leave the Fandom. You would think after Sulli and jonghyun the fans would be kinder but they have only gotten more hateful

[@AUGHHHHHBBG]

What’s funny to is they say this then refer to the kpop rappers being people like Lisa. Kpop rap isn’t bad but won’t ever be better than the original

[@666HYUCK]

that one black ktuber who blames black kpop stans for being offending because they ‘should’ve seen it coming’ gives me such icks like you out of everyone should understand why people are upset, instead you’re allowing your subscribers to think that black stans are sensitive or doing too much when in reality WE ARENT i hate it here

[@JaxBox1]

Wait who?

[@666HYUCK]

@@JaxBox1 everglow up 😬

[@JaxBox1]

@@666HYUCK ooohh I like her content but I get what you are saying. I do disagree with her on things but I agree with her mostly but it’s her subscribers that sometimes get me tight. When black issues are being talked about in kpop they wanna bring on “ Americans get offended for my culture “ ain’t nobody talking about your culture but ours. There was also time when I saw a African subscriber who said Jay park’s video dna wearing durags wasn’t serious and she showed the video to her class, nobody was offended she said. She kept saying “ the world doesn’t revolve around African Americans “ I had to remind her that durags are African American protection for our kinky hair because we have different hair types. Jay park or his crew don’t need a durag there was no need 😭

[@wujuandrea]

i have been into kp since 2015 and sadly this isnt new at all. nonblack kpoppies have always been so dismissive and hateful its crazy and thank u so much for speaking out on this topic!!! its fucking ridiculous how idols keep on being defended for their racist behavior when here i am... white european living in a overwhelmingly white country and all i needed was common sense and internet access to learn what racism and ca is... there really is NO excuse for any idol and kp fans need to stop playing dumb

[@ElijahTJRyan]

I fight people on a regular who denounce racism and anti-blackness as something small or non-existent, and I’m just tired. People forget K-Pop’s entire 3rd and 4th gen alone has heavily taken from Black musical influences

[@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062]

I thought Kpop alone is based on Black culture

[@viki7268]

It's not specific to generations. The entire genre is built on black culture.

[@ElijahTJRyan]

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 yeah I was being generous - I studied and wrote a paper on it - some of it does tries to take from traditional Korean music (like trot) but it’s more seldom than regular

[@ElijahTJRyan]

@@viki7268 yeah like I studied and wrote a paper on the growth of K-Pop. Before the Big 3, a lot of was still keen on using traditional Asian music (like trot) but now, yep I agree

[@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062]

@@ElijahTJRyan I assume you study music? Well regardless of that, you're so diligent, I could ever honestly

[@thatorashford3690]

I've also been seeing a certain girly who lives in Korea being a racist apologist and it was dissapointing. I saw it coming though because I remember how she once treated a fellow black YTber who happened to be chubby and darkskin with more broader features (I mention her features because girly has smaller features and fits Korean beauty standards and it's a whole thing because she over identifies with Korean people now). I've also seen how she let people say despicable things about that woman in her comments and she never called them out for it. It's bad enough that a have to deal with racism from non black people so imagine how exhausting it is to deal with anti blackness from other black people. I've learnt that not all skin folk are kin folk and that there's nothing more demeaning and degrading than being a black kpop fan.

[@aeriy.]

it's always those white ass people saying "oh black kpop stans are always toxic", like no- it's something called 'holding the accountable' and it should be a LOT more common cause god is it annoying when an idol is colorist/racist towards black people and doesn't get called out and sometimes they get away with it multiple times which obviously shouldn't be happening and the people who they are offending are allowed and should speak out about it.

[@pettybetty350]

It's not just the white k-pop fans. Latin/Hispanic k-pop fans are like this too. They showed their true colors when the drama was going down between BLACKSWAN Fatou & Leia.

[@norabeckwith6893]

Y'all annoying like shut up sometimes toxic black kpop fans are annoying asf

[@salritalkskpop]

they are called toxic for being honest

[@real.pubgmobile]

nah cause it was absolutely insane when dia and their company straight up best for beat copied tinashe without her permission and people were defending them and being antiblack toward tinashe and her music

[@willosthewisp03]

no bc i completely agree with you. literally 90% of the industry are anti black or have done anti black things with no apologies and non black stans are always by there side. “they didn’t know” is just one of the hundreds of lame excuses that they use. it honestly makes me not even want to listen to kpop anymore…

[@moonchild708]

the thing i can't stand EVEN MORE than the industry consistently repeating the "mistakes" of others (bc it is for sure on purpose at this point) is the non black stans who use the ONE black person who ISN'T offended to say "see look, it's not wrong bc they're black and are saying it's fine!!" 🙄

[@malea8065]

As a black Kpop stan this video makes me feel so safe thank you so much for making this 😭💗

[@sailorcentauri]

that video by everglow-up was AWFUL lmao i lost braincells

[@bluerose1613]

Reading four comments alone had me losing be Brain cells.

[@neavisi]

Everglow-up is so weird she just invites her comments to be racist I’m so tired of it like girl find something else to do.

[@Harai2Momo]

OMG FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[@Planetice101]

Exactly she's annoying

[@dors8106]

you are completely right. if an idol knows how to use n-word, they also know what that means and how disgusting it is to use it if you are not a black person. it’s seriously disgusting that when black people are trying to speak up for these idols’ racist and reckless behaviors they got accused of jealousy and exaggeration like????? and this was only like a one example how ignorant these idols are and just imagine the whole anti-black shit…i’m so done.

[@reyaxh]

Also with desi culture.But the problem is the very desi people don't know much about their culture and defend them

[@salembejaoui1880]

You can't be serious 💀

[@theetaurus1832]

no shade but the conversation is focused on blk ppl..

[@fur8104]

@@theetaurus1832 and?? Yall be on people ass for no reason.They said nothing wrong

[@theetaurus1832]

@@fur8104 “y’all be on people ass for no reaosn” bc i wanted the focus to stick to the blk community? like reading is fundamental as HELL. but like you said stay mad i guess.

[@JaxBox1]

I seen many fans who are desi say that

[@armondyoung257]

I’ve noticed that globalmiyeon have antiblack vibes when the sza situation as well.

[@soljisdreamer]

are you serious? wow lmao

[@armondyoung257]

@@soljisdreamer yeah they allowed so much anti blackness in those comments. And then the post itself was very odd, given that the whole thing was taken out of context imo.

[@naevis2863]

@@armondyoung257 they was attacking my gf sza 🙅🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️. they are so anti black i swear.

[@armondyoung257]

@@naevis2863 honestly they were so aggressive to her it was honestly so weird.

[@naevis2863]

@@armondyoung257 yeah, like it’s crazy. like i saw a comment calling her a monkey.

[@Harai2Momo]

OMG YES EVERGLOW UP IS SO ANNOYING IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE LONGEST

[@BubblyBlunt]

The way I had no idea abt a lot of these incidents…

[@kchill6925]

You're speaking facts sis

[@0905Db]

The truth is that I very much agree with you, I am very tired of kpopies defending racist attitudes of idols, as if they were babies, it is annoying, they are adults who know what they are doing, even me, a white-skinned Peruvian, can easily research what cultural appropriation is, what racism is and what is offensive to certain cultures, I mean, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT 💀 PD: sorry if there are some misspellings, i wrote this with the translator and my poor english skills lol

[@archiveofyass]

LOUD, PROUD, AND RIGHT!

[@okand9213]

You are so right on black kpop youtube who open their doors to anti-blackness from non-black people the way they give way their blackness to individuals who have disrespected their community and have mocked them is pathetic.

[@Lunaiinmidnight]

The hatred towards black K-Pop stans will never not be ironic to me cause you guys single-handedly carry the K-Pop fandom (at least internationally) with wit and humor, yet people will squeeze every ounce to privilege they have to gaslight you. I have since realized that the belief that gen z are better than their predecessors are absolute bullshit.

[@Lunaiinmidnight]

Oppressed groups and victims have every right to be angry and no one should be telling you how to feel about your own oppression; everglow-up is becoming the K-Pop version of Candice Owens I fear.

[@angelicfae222]

Us black kpop stans can NEVER win bro 🙁

[@twicepilled]

GLOBALMYEON??? 😦

[@Lilac_mina]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK!!!!!

[@captainlevi7188]

What is your stance on the whole Lia situation? many people saying that am making stuff up out of nothing :(

[@soljisdreamer]

don’t worry i saw that too. whether it was intended or not, her comment was definitely colorist

[@yasser2881]

Lia from which group

[@isabear478]

@@yasser2881 itzy

[@yasser2881]

@@isabear478 oh ???

[@yasser2881]

What happen with lia situation ? 😭 i'm lost help

[@P_eachie]

And the ones who speak for black people when it comes to cultural appropriation

[@heroineblink]

YESSSSS

[@YoureMyCherryOnTop143]

Dang ima agree with you

[@dolippie]

right!!!

[@soyeonation2418]

Finally someone says it

[@mica7286]

it had to be said

[@manicuregroove]

EXACTLY

[@mdrac.]

‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@gettingcalledoutontwitteri1882]

I hope someone expose those accounts so they wont get any job opportunities,just saying🥰