Black Myth: Wukong Delayed on Xbox Series X|S... But Why?

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[@pixeljauntvr7774]

The Series S has saved PlayStation a whole bunch of money not having to pay for timed exclusivity.

[@ArielCleirigh]

Thanks MS for having the best engineers, Hahahalo.

[@nicolapellegrino1072]

That's really a gargantuan bulls..t

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Facts

[@phillippeen]

Lol Truth

[@mostmost1]

It hasn't helped Sony at all. Gamers get a cheaper console. That's what matters. Not who gets a game first.

[@robertdelgado544]

Id be pissed if i paid the extra dough for a series x and wasnt getting games because of the cheaper console i opted not to pay for.

[@danielhobbs7904]

We are pissed.

[@adamuser8246]

@@danielhobbs7904 i'm not

[@applehazeva2739]

Honestly I'm so confused. You've got Games like RE4 or GOWR on PS4 which is like 4x Times weaker than the Series S. How are these Games not at least 720p FSR 1440p possible on Series S? Like RAM can't be the excuse for everything when I look at the ROG Ally and Steam Deck

[@citizen3000]

Imagine, you buy a PS5 and…that’s it. Every type of PS5 (disc/digital) has the same specs for devs. Simple. Jesus Xbox, you had to go complicate things with a gimped box that everyone has to support. Sony had the right idea offering a cheaper version by stripping out the disc drive.

[@bgarry77]

😂😂😂

[@j-pilou6776]

I have nothing against the Series S but Xbox should really stop the parity with the SX. It's not normal to be penalized when you've invested in the most expensive hardware. I was waiting for this game and I wanted to take it on SX but then I will take it on PS5, too bad for Xbox..

[@ArielCleirigh]

A journo asked once to Jim Ryan about series s, and hesaid, " we were thinking in a cheap version Butit will be a problem for devs, so we cancel that" so it seems MS never cared about devs.

[@henkstols9326]

​@@ArielCleirigh well they bought most of them, and their studio's don't seem to have issues.

[@TheBean87]

@@henkstols9326most devs don’t have an issue haha

[@ASx2608]

@@TheBean87Yeah okay most devs don’t have a problem but few AA devs did

[@TheBean87]

@@ASx2608 yeah a very small few, only dev with a legitimate issue was Larian because of the way they did split screen.

[@photonboy999]

*the MAIN issue with scaling is...* only 10GB of shared memory on the XBSS. Trying to design a game that uses a little less than 10GB when you've got 16GB on the higher-end console's is a nightmare. What was Microsoft thinking? They were smart to have a near identical CPU. And a much weaker GPU would have been fine except... the memory. You still want the HIGH QUALITY texture assets sitting in that memory even when rendering at lower resolutions prior to UPSCALING. That and a lot of other stuff really has a MINIMUM footprint and doesn't scale down. So once you are FORCED to do it you have to make really PAINFUL decisions. Start with the "S" console and optimize for 10GB (ish) and then scale UP, or try to scale DOWN and deal with, I guess, low quality texture assets, rendered at LOWER resolutions which then look like crap when you upscale. And you COULD have scaled up if ONLY the XBSS and XBSX exist, but the PS5 has far more market share. So you'll target 16GB. Which is fine for the XBSX, but since Microsoft needs it on the XBSS as well then you hold up release on the XBSX. Ugh. 14GB. If they'd just added 4GB more memory none of this would have been much of an issue. 14GB vs 16GB is fairly trivial. 10GB vs 16GB is ridiculous. And Microsoft SHOULD have known that... also, they could have just put in an eSRAM buffer and completely mitigated the problem (LOL).

[@Packin-Heat.]

Isn't it basically 8gb because the other 2gb is really slow and only used for the OS.

[@citizen3000]

Series S is trash

[@markwheeler4245]

Personally i hate the 2 consoles model with 1 more powerful i think Sony chose the best option with digital and non digital both same specs

[@applehazeva2739]

Yup. Asus didn't adapt either with their Z1 and Z1 Extreme case on ROG Ally. Series S really should have been the coming digital X

[@citizen3000]

They absolutely did. Why make things more complicated for devs? Why give people a negative impression of Xbox when they see wonky S versions of games and think “wow, is this all the next gen Xbox can do?”

[@Krypterium]

true

[@kriswhite91]

Nah they made the correct decision.

[@citizen3000]

@@kriswhite91 nah they made the wrong decision They also mislead people. The Series S isn’t just the Series X running at lower resolution.

[@DanFarrell98]

Would be funny if Nintendo release their new console and they end up getting games before Xbox

[@sneakkyz3696]

Nintendo next system will probably be more powerful than the series 🥔 😂

[@nathan38938]

I've heard that it'll be on ps4 level so still not s level

[@Sneakyboson]

And DF were adamant the series S wasn't holding back the other consoles.

[@ThatGuyXX7]

Technically it's not. The dev team is clearly down porting the game to the weaker S console, hence why they're having difficulties meeting deadlines.

[@murdock5672]

Even in this video, they kinda put the blame on the studio for not optimising the port and moved on quickly to blaming them for physical copy release. When they should be calling out Microsoft for skimping out on the memory of the system. Its not just larian and black myth's devs that made this claims but multiple devs from different studios said that MS cheaped out on series s.

[@deetsitmeisterjd]

​@@ThatGuyXX7Wasting their time you mean. Literally that's what they are doing 1 version for PS. 2 versions for Xbox. No wonder Japan hates western companies.

[@davidandrew6855]

@@murdock5672 And there have been other developers that have stated it isn't much of an issue. Who to believe? I personally think the Series S should have had the same 16GB of RAM, but what can you do. The system still plays some amazing games, so yeah game development isn't easy, a lot of jobs are not.

[@victory7763]

​@davidandrew6855 Logically whatever is the lowest baseline for a game IS holding back the higher end devices. So when a game being made wants to also be able to run on the Switch, you're only getting an upgrade in frames and graphics on the higher end devices, it's still fundamentally a game for Switch. Same with Series S. 8gb of RAM is LOWER than the ONE X, that's a LAST GEN console. It's 2024 and we still have a box with only 8gb of ram?

[@djpep94]

Series S only makes sense in future generations if it’s hand held and doesn’t have the requirement to be supported by every single game released for the premium series X console Otherwise it just holds back the premium consoles

[@applehazeva2739]

At the same time, don't you think Games would be even more unoptimized for Series S Level Hardware if it didn't existed? Like, Jedi Survivor and The Last of Us are horrible on PC as they are already

[@citizen3000]

It was always a mistake.

[@UberNoodle]

This news isn't saying the S version is impossible. It just takes longer, because it's a larger job.

[@MrCarpediem6]

I wonder if it was even a handheld.. they would still run into the same issues of having it released day and date as it's bigger console version.

[@b.pack3]

@@UberNoodlebecause the S is a TRASH money grab console.

[@user-ec8zd8zp4x]

The potato strikes again!

[@kill3rbyysight]

😂😂

[@ismailfleming6411]

Correct

[@lovmn38]

People are going to be mad at Xbox series S at Microsoft damm

[@ImViruxx]

I think people are already mad now when the honeymoon phase is over, people are beginning to wake up and realizes what kind of a mistake the Series S was.

[@mikeyp4690]

​@@ImViruxx Eh, still love my Series S.

[@Clown_Prince_of_Crime1]

Nah, you tripping

[@based-ys9um]

@@mikeyp4690 "eh still love my potato that's holding back current gen" you

[@mikeyp4690]

@@based-ys9um If that's how you want to look at it. Be my guest. I'm off to enjoy some games on my lovely little console :).

[@ryanh.739]

💯Microsoft has a mandate that every single Series X game MUST be able to run on the Series S. No matter how powerful Series X is, or even the Series X Pro version if it ever comes out…. It will always be gimped it’s little brother the Series S, and the Series S mandate. One reason I love the PS5 digital and disk… there was no graphical difference, just price and disc drive. Fun fact the Xbox One X has more ram than the Series S, 12gigs instead of 10gigs, and it’s has a much better GPU. That’s why some One X games look so much better than Series S. Halo Infinite is the biggest example.

[@nathan38938]

except unlike the s the price is barely that different, it's not a budget console at all

[@ryanh.739]

@@nathan38938 the One X is not a budget console, but you can get used like I did for $200. Best 4K Blu ray player around and play 360 games in 4K, S can not do that. Plus Some games better than the S version. Gears 5c, Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon, all the big games from xbox One are better on One X. And you can install an SSD. Having a Series S on a big 4K tv is the most ignorant thing you can do. You are killing the picture quality.

[@GamingRobioto]

Series S issues strike again!

[@GoogleGiveMebackmyname]

you haven't watched the video yet sit tf down

[@lovmn38]

Let me guess series s

[@Jay053]

To no one’s suprise

[@Skasua]

It’s just the issue of Xbox not allowing a game to release on X only. Even if it’s a delayed game.

[@coreypasternak9435]

@@lovmn38 yea would probably struggle to run this game because Unreal Engine 5

[@BiggRodgaming]

The only mistake Microsoft has made with Xbox is releasing the Series S

[@based-ys9um]

Its because the potato series s

[@Krypterium]

😂

[@offspringfan89]

And people still don't accept that Series S was a mistake and that parity policy is hurting Series X. Without Series S, devs could dedicate more time to optimise Series X version without having to delay it.

[@BradJohannsen]

With all of the performance issues, resolution issues and PC port issues this gen, honestly, the series s may be saving us, along with the steam deck.

[@chris42069]

Without Series S, Xbox division might have folded by now. It's keeping the brand alive and relevant actually

[@based-ys9um]

@@chris42069 I want Xbox to fail

[@TheBean87]

@@based-ys9umand you’re never getting that.

[@based-ys9um]

@@TheBean87 I hope you're wrong 💪💪

[@themblan]

Series S was a huge mistake, but Microsoft can't abandon it. Sucks.

[@ArielCleirigh]

Jim Ryan saw this coming, years ago.

[@nicolapellegrino1072]

70% of Microsoft consoles are series-s are sure that's a mistake? I simply think developers are lazy 😉

[@stevenjohnson4122]

It was a mistake people bought it thinking it's a 1440p 60fps raytracing beast, but it's gets destroyed because it lacks enough memory, 4tf, lmaf 😅

[@peteparker22]

It's not really a mistake since people are more likely to buy an S over an X

[@GavinAeilts]

By no means was it a mistake. Just because developers aren't aiming for the hardware range of the console doesn't mean it was a bad idea to make a $300 console that can run many of next-gen's games

[@wmv8996]

They really should have matched the xbox one x's ram amount with the series s.

[@gamingedition5165]

Yes and made it exactly half series X performance not 1/3 :/

[@citizen3000]

Are you insane?

[@Jay053]

@@citizen3000are you?

[@CRISNCHIPS12398]

LMAO, yet another timed console exclusive for PS5 because of the garbage Series S 😂😂😂

[@immortaldragon7980]

Microsoft did a huge mistake with the series S and series X users are getting punished for it, they should get the version like everyone else and let series S users wait. This is seriously f*cked up.

[@vzachari]

I can't find Black Myth: Wukong on OpenCritic, is there a reason they are excluding it?

[@andraescott7470]

No physical disc equals no buy from me. I will just wait just like Allen Wake 2

[@CheckmateStallioN]

Plus no new gameplay shown all we got was a CG trailer. Id be pretty concerned

[@linkvagar2336]

@@CheckmateStallioNwhy do you need more gameplay? The game comes out in 3 months and we've already seen a heap of gameplay.

[@daysgone2997]

same no disc so will wait, just ordered alan wake 2 😊 can't wait to play it for first time, baldurs gate 3 next

[@gamingedition5165]

Yeah I'm subscribed to game pass play games through that and buy them after but if they don't offer physical I don't even bother playing them if I know I can't actually buy them to own.

[@alexv5581]

Maybe do your research on why they chose to go digital and not complain like a child.

[@cholou9708]

i can see this happening with gta 6.

[@glenn3646]

Jesus I wonder how they gonna crunch it the S

[@dun0790]

Yeah from the looks of the trailer it will struggle to do 720p30fps

[@kenroyforrester156]

​@dun0790 it runs hellblade fine so use your common sense its only small studio complaining

[@dun0790]

@@kenroyforrester156 maybe tale your own advice lol

[@kenroyforrester156]

@dun0790 doesn't make sense you don't hear Rockstar complain about it you would have heard long ago as I said only small companies complain and lazy devs you people try to blame everything on the series I'm on PC and PS5 but have you seen games that are releasing this gen how buggy they are you complain about series s holding back developers when developers aren't even optimizing games anymore

[@AdamWParkerDotCom]

As soon as it was announced, I knew Series S was gonna hold back the generation and a lot denied it...smh

[@ShadyPlatinum777]

The only people who denied it were payed shills or stupid Xbots

[@Luke973T]

It's 2024 and we are still waiting on "the tools".

[@2leafy788]

The code in the box is only for PC player and the actual disk for the console player will come out later

[@CloudHeart_0]

There is some misunderstanding about the Digital Codes. Game Science is not going to put boxes containing Digital Codes on shelves. The Digital Codes only refer to the steam code comes with the deluxe edition/ collector's edition. And also, there is no deluxe edition/ collector's edition for Playstation5.

[@mattmarrin8457]

So release for Xbox Series come holiday season 24' Or gotta wait til new year?

[@nobody___important]

Series S thats why. Sony does not even need to pay anymore for console exclusivity 😂

[@Juju-cm7ge]

Day one when it drops in August. 🎉🎉🎉

[@trebm3]

Can fully expect a bunch of delays from MS on games that have been in development for a long time. Series S is still puzzling in 2024

[@superlukelei]

According to data from the STEAM sales platform in China, the pre-sale volume of "Black Myth: Wukong" on the Steam platform has exceeded 1 million copies, and its official account has reached 170 million views on the BILIBILI platform

[@alandanielsaucedo5066]

People still insist series S is not an issue. I myself had one and enjoyed it for years but as of last year lots of games have a subpar version on Series S.

[@rodrickcross]

My guy on the right looks like Varys from game of thrones

[@sneakkyz3696]

Literally no series s fanboys in the comments this time 😂😂😂😂. What happened to all of them? Their always around talking about how good it is 😂😂😂😂

[@danielcano4243]

I have the Series X and I think the S is still good The little thing is running games like Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Alan Wake 2, Remnant 2, Jedi Survivor and Lies of P and you know something else? All those games didn't get delayed in Xbox😱🫠

[@sneakkyz3696]

@@danielcano4243 series s is garbage. We all know it. It’s holding us back

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

I remeber when people claimed the Series S would not hold this generation back and that is was powerful enough for 1440p.

[@queens2nd2none]

Saw the Sony trailer yesterday, blew my mind that it's coming out in August! Cannot wait to play this in a little over a month on PlayStation 😎

[@daysgone2997]

game looks superb, just wish it had disc version

[@ShadyDBZ4]

@@daysgone2997Hold up, this game is digital release only? I’ll wait for the Series X physical edition next year just like Alan Wake II physical later this year.

[@phil_75]

Xbox won't be getting a physical version lmao

[@ShadyDBZ4]

@@phil_75 Yes they will. Stay coping pony.

[@HellzAssassn]

@@ShadyDBZ4 "Pony isn't coping". It's factual. The "physical releases" for Black Myth don't come with a disc, yet it has a steelbook and some other physical goodies. They offer a physical collector's edition, but there's no disc included. If that CE has no disc for PS5, I don't forsee them changing it specifically for Xbox.

[@davidvillamarin-lj2pf]

Funny DF tried to defend how good was the s compared to the one x. I've no doubts the game would run on the one x, because it wouldn't have the ram and Bandwith problems...

[@urmomma2688]

The one x is severely cpu bottlenecked though

[@nicolapellegrino1072]

There are many comparisons tests and series-s is all the way more powerful than one-x... no match at all.

[@HeavyMetalSonicRM]

They should target 40 fps. If the gameplay isn't too fast-paced, it would be great.

[@extra4542]

If I was buying on console, I wouldn't buy until there was a physical disk. Thankfuilly I intend to buy on PC where generations dont matter, backwards compatibility is not a concern, and games from as far back as the beginning in the gaming can be played, I feel confident buying games digitally.

[@naywahn]

Just drop the framerate and resolution and keep it moving, like every other game.

[@jjasper7512]

Also just heard kingdom come deliverance 2 would have been a bigger game but the S held back the ambition. Also when will we see any real difference between series x and ps5 titles.

[@shayshalevv]

at this point i am only holding onto the series x for the day one black ops 6, if that fumbles i am selling and getting a ps5....shame honestly i think its a pretty good console with the quick resume and overall performance in 120fps games.

[@tomvandl]

Who tf pre orders a digital version? You can't wait a couple of hours watching reviews?

[@KevinJ.-rc4ih]

People have the nerve to run their mouth about new games still being made for PS4 while praising the Series S while it literally delays games for Series X owners. Forbidden West and Ragnarok being on PS4 didn’t affect PS5 owners in anyway.

[@Alien_isolationist]

Name them. The fact is, 90% of AAA games in 2024 aren't on PS4

[@KevinJ.-rc4ih]

@@Alien_isolationist My comment is factual and not opinion based so there’s no debate. I won’t debate with people who deny facts anyway. You already know the games including Elden Ring so don’t waste my time with your willful ignorance.

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@Alien_isolationist He's right.

[@outofquarters]

​@@KevinJ.-rc4ih where was it mentioned that the cause of delay was the Series S?

[@davidandrew6855]

@@outofquarters _"Forbidden West and Ragnarok being on PS4 didn’t affect PS5 owners in anyway."_ That kind of answers your question, if those games can also be on the PS4 at the same time and release at the same time, is the series S really the issue with this game? A system that is nearly 3x as powerful as the PS4 and has 20% more RAM. Perhaps this game is more ambitious than GoW Ragnarok or Forbidden West, but looking at it compared to those, I'm not really seeing it. I mean it is using Unreal 5, so there is that, a game engine that would never run well on PS4 without a lot of concessions.

[@Jordan1000]

It’s the S holding it back

[@ArielCleirigh]

Valorant devs said the same and KCD 2 too.

[@MiguelRodriguez-lp9et]

​@ArielCleirigh Speaking of Valorant, they won't be bringing gyro aiming to Playstation just keep parity with the Xbox.

[@TakisEnjoyer]

​@@ArielCleirigh KCD2 article was proven to be fake, there's a reason why only people who talked about it were PS fan accounts while all major news outlets ignored. KCD will be extremely CPU dependent and CPU is the same for all consoles.

[@citizen3000]

Hate that little box.

[@oo--7714]

@@ArielCleirigh valorant is coming to mobile, bro come on now

[@coltonwilkie241]

The Series S has been a massive handicap for Xbox.

[@superlukelei]

Black Myth: Wukong announced that he will launch the XBOX platform, but the optimization has not been completed yet, and the timing is currently unknown

[@MrParsley2000]

Do you think they should release Series X on time, but delay the Series S version? People buy the S knowing they are getting the budget version. Surely they can't be mad if they have to wait a bit longer than people who paid more

[@bigkabuto]

I find it a bit of a red flag anyway that we haven't seen any console footage and this comes out in August.

[@bbbazzinga]

I'm not sure it's because of the series S, i believe it's because they prioritized the 2 platforms with the biggest audiences and left xbox for last sadly. I wouldn't be surprised if the xbox series x version doesn't perform well when it launches either.

[@TheSoxor123]

Series S is probably why RTX Minecraft will never see the light of day on Xbox Series X.

[@originalfate4788]

The days of shipping complete games with 0 post launch support are over. Day one discs are basically waste as some don't even install the entire game.

[@gamingedition5165]

If you want to play games offline then they are still needed.

[@originalfate4788]

@@gamingedition5165 What does playing offline have to do with some discs having only a portion of the actual game on it? Heck, there are even Nintendo Switch cartridges that require you to download a significant chunk of the game to even play....OFFLINE! Mind you, many games launch with day one patches meaning that even games that ship with the complete "base" code on it will have issues when playing them.....even offline. Like I said, basically waste.

[@Alien_isolationist]

That's simply not true, you can test this by turning off your internet and downloading the entire game, from your disc.

[@originalfate4788]

@@Alien_isolationist ugh. Not every game, and this is becoming increasingly more common. In fact, the recent 2022 COD MWII physical copy only had 72MB of data on it out of the 150 GB needed to play it.

[@originalfate4788]

@@gamingedition5165 IF you already have them installed and IF your drive doesn’t fail and IF the game doesn’t require signing into their own service.

[@Captain-America92]

We hate Sony for money hatting games but Microsoft money hatting publishers is cool though...??

[@morganmcgill3169]

I still remember Lord of the Fallen on Xbox series S with a pixel count between 432p to 720p, which is another UE5 game. Its need more time in the oven than any other version for sure.

[@jasephase2k933]

I can see black myth of wukong been a enhanced title on ps5 pro

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

Most anticipated game of this year is full of red flags. Denuvo on pc, system requirements that are demanding and without any fps target and made with vague details about upscaling. No disc inside the physical box for ps5. No Xbox version at launch. ( those you say they don't have resources for disc , hey they got denuvo for pc version. No small dev does that ).

[@MrEffectfilms]

Whether you have a Series S or not at this point there's no denying it. The Series S is one of the biggest mistakes Microsoft has ever made. They wanted the cheapest console on the market and it's cost them dearly. Of course the fanboys will continue to deny this and blame Sony, the developers, literally everyone except Microsoft.

[@Deadeye012011]

The best part of this was Ryan McCaffrey bitching on Twitter claiming Sony had Paid to delay the Xbox version only to get massively ratio'd and dunked on when it came out the Series S was once again gimping the Xbox.

[@mza4739]

He deleted the tweet. He knows he was wrong. Ryan McCaffrey is one of Xbox's damage control mouthpiece... Just embarrassing.

[@G360LIVE]

@@mza4739 It was sad watching Ryan interview Phil Spencer. Ryan would read from his laptop like he was reading from a script Microsoft wrote for him. Then Ryan had to just sit there and let Phil run the interview.🤣

[@rotaryperfection]

And yet is XSS gimping the release of the next Doom game? Crickets! It's really funny how you guys pick and choose when yall think XSS is at fault. I wouldn't be suprised if Sony game that dev some extra money to release the game EARLY knowing full optimization of the Xbox platform wasn't complete.

[@ThatGuyXX7]

​@@rotaryperfection nice conspiracy theory. The reality is that the devs want to release their game on PC/PS5 as those players still buy games and don't wait for something to be on Gamepass.

[@Deadeye012011]

@@rotaryperfection insisting on a parity clause between the Series X and S was always going to cause problems as the generation rolled on and the games got more technically demanding only going to get worse from here if Microsoft doesn't drop its parity clause expect more delays to Xbox versions of games going forward.

[@gamingwithdummies3960]

Series S was such a horrible idea.

[@peteparker22]

But hasn't it sold more than series X?

[@gamingwithdummies3960]

@@peteparker22 yes, but that doesn’t make it a good idea. It is holding back the entire Xbox ecosystem. Devs have to cater to a weak console.

[@applehazeva2739]

No. The Idea was good The Roadmap and Design (8GB RAM) was a horrible Idea

[@citizen3000]

Agreed man

[@eliadbu]

​@@applehazeva2739the whole idea is gimped machine, cut off half of the storage, cut off 2/3 of the gpu power, cut off more than 1/3 of the memory and also remove disk drive for a measly 200$ (2/5) off. They should have done it like sony - make a 100$ cheaper option and just remove the disk drive.

[@user-hs9ge3cj9p]

I think it would be hilarious if the new switch is more powerful than the Series S

[@carl6747]

If i buy physical i want a disc nothining more nothing less.

[@nightstick10]

Why don't they delay the S version and release it on X only for now.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Xbox doesn’t allow it.

[@mza4739]

Because Daddy Phil doesn't allow it. Just another way Xbox are holding back the gaming industry.

[@Kecinlin]

XSX is only 30% of the total user base, there is no point to release on xbox if skipping the XSS

[@aaronwalsh8469]

@@Kecinlin I think it’s funny how digital foundry shows game performance of series x vs ps5 when it’s 8 million consoles vs close to 60 million consoles.

[@bombyo3634]

PARITY

[@ToxMod]

Series S version is holding back the whole generation, 3:42 I mean for God sakes look at the images.

[@dmytrosoboliev935]

Strange to hear that, especially since both ps5 and xbox have almost identical hardware

[@GavinAeilts]

Purely the series s which is quite a bit lower powered compared to the other 2 big boys on the market. However, Microsoft has a rule that games have to release at the same time on both consoles. Thats causing the issue.

[@solar3mpire]

Install base of Xbox, way less than PS5? and series S hurting too...

[@NightWanderer31415]

How moronic of Microsoft to not allow separate releases for Series X and Series S...

[@danielcastelo]

SIMPLE: PC + PS5 = $$$. Priorities.

[@arjun10able]

Like baldur gate 3 series s can push devs to optimise more. Believe me even steam deck can handle at 720/30. But Ps5, X will definitely struggle in native 1080p /60😂 Series S is great console . Just look at Microsoft Flight simulator, Cyberpunk, Hellbalde 2.

[@GhoulSolo___]

Steam deck is significantly weaker than the Series S. Make your next statement make sense

[@dethskullcrusher]

I don't know if i'm weird, but i prefer my physical copies to be.. you know.. physical. I'm old fashioned like that.

[@thawingkarma233]

That’s because you’re based. You *own* physical versions of video games. When it comes to digital, the “purchase” you’re making is not to own the game, but to have *permission* to use it. They can take it away anytime, unlike if you had a physical copy.

[@mightyhadi6132]

For people still thinking it's like PC, it's not. PC has different API than Xbox . Although Xbox API is a costume from direct X Windows they are different. So you cannot just assume games scalabilities will works between Xbox S and X just like how PC GPU works (low end to high end GPU's).

[@jbluepolarbear]

It's very similar scaling; especially using UE5 builtin scalability. Mainly, they would be trying to hit a certain quality on the series s that isn't possible without optimization. For PC scaling very low, you let the user pick and choose options to hit a specific playability level that isn't possible on the console because it wouldn't pass Microsoft quality requirements.

[@keef78]

So remember when digital joke foundry told everyone the series s wasn't holding games back?.....yeah.

[@snkfan]

series s is the top selling series console eclipsing the sx, people are foolish to say ss is a mistake

[@gothpunkboy89]

Just because something sells well doesn't mean it isn't a mistake.

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

That's an even bigger reason why it's a mistake! Xbox now can't abandon it. And just because it's sold more than the Series X doesn't mean it's sold well globally.

[@mtx1212]

Once again, another example of legacy consoles (looking at you as well Switch) holding back the collective advancement of gaming technology

[@davidandrew6855]

HAHAHAH, so incorrect.

[@mtx1212]

@@davidandrew6855 feel free to elaborate

[@davidandrew6855]

@@mtx1212 Here you go: Your statement is inaccurate, the SS is not holding back the advancement of gaming technology, and I dare you to prove it. While you are at it, I need you to explain any game on PS5 that has performances issues, that *is not* on Series S. The notion that the Series S is holding back advancement or development falls apart when we have a PS5 or SX with up to 3X the raw compute ability struggling to hit 60fps in games at less than 4K resolution. If these games were just Series S limited tech packages, those premium consoles should be pushing 60fps without much issues at quality settings, not performance. Logic dictates that there is more at play than the Series S limiting the more adept consoles. The PC side of gaming as prove that lower spec hardware, isn't holding anything back, time and time again.

[@mtx1212]

@@davidandrew6855 did you even watch the video before compiling this response? And you're clearly confused about the concept of PERFORMANCE versus TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENT -- as compatibility with legacy hardware in the likes of SS or the Switch could mean the REMOVAL or REDUCTION of certain advanced rendering techniques such as RT, or the quality and scale of which these new techniques are implemented.

[@davidandrew6855]

@@mtx1212 You seem to be the one that is confused. RT has been implemented time and time again on the SX and PS5, while remaining absent from the SS. The fact that these premium consoles are *very limited* in their ability to do RT seems to go right past many. We also see games on those same premium consoles that enjoy much higher fidelity and resolutions geometry and better GI, etc. Trust me none of these consoles are capable of rendering the type of _"technical advancements"_ you seem to be implying. That will be the realm of PS6 or XboxNext. I mean the PS5 and Series X are around 6700/XT levels of GPU performance. Nice, but nothing really impressive in 2024.

[@doomguydemonkiller]

Because Xbox can’t handle running Black Myth Wukong

[@mikeuk666]

Cringe

[@ArielCleirigh]

To think xbots were saying, series s was more powerful than PS5, Lol, many devs saying keep the same energy xbots.

[@mohammedhilal3993]

No one said the series s is more powerful than PS5 stop lying

[@mikeuk666]

Cool attention seeking there kid 😆

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@mohammedhilal3993 There were articles at the beginning of the generation claiming it was faster.

[@benjaminphilp720]

@@mohammedhilal3993 go above my comment above u might see and xbot who think ps5 weak calling ps5 rdna 1.5

[@ArielCleirigh]

@@mohammedhilal3993 Yeah right nobody, Lol

[@zaselimgamingvideos6881]

What happened to Alex's face? Did he get into some accident?

[@based-ys9um]

This is the first time ive seen him .he didn't always have the scar?

[@unknowntiger9108]

@@based-ys9umFelt like he always had it. It's kind of a badass scar though.

[@juanalvarado7794]

To be honest i got the Series S for $200 for black Friday -Target deal. I cant complain...i cant play one game one time? BIG DEAL! 😂 That liltte beast has given me hours of joy more than or equal to the PS5 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Marvin-mq9rk]

I like how this was showed at the xbox shiwcase but its not even avalable at launch lol

[@azitsallgood2514]

It's was not shown at the Xbox showcase why are you lieing. It was shown at the state of play!😂😂

[@kencube86]

@@azitsallgood2514 it was shown in previous showcase, just not the recent one.

[@TheBean87]

Meh game will launch in a terrible state and take months of patches to get to a good state just in time for the Xbox release.

[@ShadyDBZ4]

@@TheBean87Facts. Also, dude should delete his comment. This game was not at the XBOX Showcase. Lol! I’ll wait for the finished physical version on XBOX while ps owner test it for me.

[@TheBean87]

@@ShadyDBZ4 you know it’s coming in hot, it’s UE5 and we’ve seen what happens when companies try to rush it out.

[@mbe2916]

They keep saying that the series x should run better, even after xbox own games run better on ps5.

[@vraptorx2253]

Just let it release on series s with 300p resolution like all other games. That would be easy.

[@sirve6028]

welp if the game comes out and gets shit reviews just saved us money if it comes out and lives up to the hype then just gotta wait couple months with amount of games out tons of other stuff to play in meantime so not a big deal

[@ImViruxx]

Ah yes another Baldur’s Gate 3 situation for Xbox and the Xbox community are still blindly defending the Series S just because it’s a budget friendly console.

[@gothpunkboy89]

10 bucks it is because they bought it and are trying to self justify that they didn't waste money.

[@urmomma2688]

If they have a reason for defending it, wouldn't that make it not blind by definition?

[@ImViruxx]

@@urmomma2688 Trust me go to X or the Xbox subreddit no matter what you throw at them regarding the Series S the responses are always “what did you expect from a 250$ console”, “I think it’s amazing because it was so cheap and it’s a perfect game pass machine” etc etc Is the price really worth it when games are getting delayed? At this point Sony doesn’t even need to pay for timed exclusives.

[@d8l835]

​@@urmomma2688 you know what he meant

[@urmomma2688]

@@d8l835 what they meant is still wrong because a console being cheaper is a more than valid reason for its existence. The devs could release the series x version first if the s is that big of a problem or they could not make a series s version at all. Those decisions aren't made by the customer therefore going after them is just bizzarre

[@eliadbu]

Xbox series gimped is holding back the more powerful machine, just like I predicted it. Great job Microsoft holding back platform, so you can get several more casual gamers.

[@arctic_gaming-6187]

Series S is actually helping everyone and not sure how much more realistic you need your video games to be but I think we are plenty good right where we are, all the crying is why gaming is the state it is in

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

It's not about realism. It's about game systems. The Series S has less system memory which limits the scope of a developer's vision. AI complexity, split screen, even level design need to be factored in when developing for an underpowered piece of hardware. Some developers just aren't willing to make that compromise for the console that's in last place and whose users have been conditioned to not purchase games on launch.

[@arctic_gaming-6187]

@@pixeljauntvr7774 think it has more to do with greed than anything. If call of duty can run fine on the series s, assassins creed, doom, and all of the first party games Microsoft makes, then so can any other game, but instead of putting in the work, they are lazy and crying because they are worried about people playing their game on gamepass instead of buying??? Sounds kinda lame to me, because the majority are struggling and they should be happy people are willing to give them their time which equals money

[@based-ys9um]

​@@arctic_gaming-6187you bought the potato didn't you ?😂

[@arctic_gaming-6187]

@@based-ys9um I bought them all, like all consoles 🤓

[@Xilent1]

I wouldn't be mad as an XB Gamer. Take your time. Me being a PC player and its a UE5 game............

[@feetonland6609]

Xbox giving PlayStation AAA first party games and timed exclusives for free 😭

[@bossredd-77]

While Playstation gives you absolutely nothing but disappointment

[@KollegahDerBub]

@@bossredd-77xbox gives you what again ?

[@ASx2608]

@@bossredd-77Astro Bot about to release later this year and it got really great impressions from everyone.

[@calebnelson58]

@@KollegahDerBubDude did you watch the Xbox showcase the question should be what is PlayStation giving you?

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

​@@calebnelson58 PlayStation is getting most of what was shown on that Xbox conference as well as everything shown in their own state of play. Including Black Myth Wukong. 😂😂😂

[@ReaperCet]

Optimization issues detected! There's hasn't been a single game that ran *great* on the other platforms and poorly on the S. Not a single one. Unacceptable series S performance always means bad optimization across the board.

[@Cosmycal]

Exactly

[@simphiwegumbi2925]

Well said 👍

[@bombyo3634]

Parity can't be achevived.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

Apparently the upcoming physical edition of Alan Wake 2 also does NOT have all the content on disc. Pretty depressing to be honest. One of the most infuriating cases of this practice is Cyberpunk 2077 for me. That complete edition only gets a code for the expansion on Playstation but on Xbox it's all on the disc (as it should be). I hate how the big corporations try to bully away physical media. I know that most people get their stuff digitally these days but it's still good to have the option to get whatever you want physically.

[@lukesablade]

The crazy part is they could fit the entire game and dlc on 1 disk on ps5, could also do 2 disks for Xbox.

[@wolfbrigade8042]

@@lukesablade Yea they absolutely could... but they don't want to it seems like. I always wonder if it's the devs fault or the respective console manufacturer. Like in the case of Cyberpunk it can only be Sony's fault, right? I mean Xbox got everything on disc but for some reason Playstation didn't.

[@lukesablade]

@@wolfbrigade8042 I read that they stopped doing the separate certification for dlc a while ago, but who knows...I'll wait for this to release to see what's actually on disk before dropping my money on it...I still haven't bought jedi survivor 2.

[@linkvagar2336]

No modern game has all content on the disc

[@wolfbrigade8042]

@@linkvagar2336 That's a common misbelief actually. Most games still have everything on disc (atleast on Playstation). It's mostly your average Cods and the Ubisoft slop that are straying away from it. You even often have 2 discs in order to fit everything on there. Now, the games often require patches in order to be fully enjoyable, I'll give you that (that's more on the devs rushing out unfinished products tho) but they are indeed on the disc and fully playable.

[@wu-bangya4486]

The problem is more having to release the S & X versions SIMULTANEOUSLY. And MS pigeonholed THEMSELVES with that mandate. Release the X version & S when it's ready....Win/Win

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Series S accounts for 70% or more of the next gen users on Xbox. They are forced to make that version good because everyone is there on Xbox. 😂

[@citizen3000]

Insane choice by MS

[@ComradeChyrk]

I really can't understand why anyone who wanted a next gen console would buy a series S, unless your one of those people that only buy sports games

[@citizen3000]

@@ComradeChyrk I can’t imagine struggling through the issues in the back end of the long last gen and thinking “I want a less powerful version of a next gen console”. It’s just crazy. Everyone was screaming for more power. Unlike some I think the Series X IS a powerful machine, the spec is fine. It at least meets the medium spec you’d expect of a console now. But the Series S does not meet expectations, even on its own terms. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. They should made a cheaper discless, half storage version with payment plans available to pay it off over time. Not a split spec. Sony made the right choice.

[@based-ys9um]

​@@citizen3000ive seen xbots say its cheap and they don't buy games because gamepass and they don't care.

[@morcheba2184]

​@@ComradeChyrkCOVID lockdown made people make silly decisions with their money

[@Afroman792]

Bought my boys a series s... they only play roblox and fortnite. It is the only thing its good for.... i had a series x and sold it as i could not justify owning it. It is handicapped by the series s. I have a PS5 and a good PC. Also picked up a refurbished steam deck. Not sure if i will buy another console for myself at this point. The first xbox i have had since the 360 and i was very disappointed.

[@davidandrew6855]

_" It is handicapped by the series s"_ Can you quantify that for us? Exactly how? If you are referencing the clause of games releasing same time for both S and X, I agree there, Microsoft should remove that requirement. If you are talking about limiting the abilities of the Series x, you are absolutely incorrect on that one. If anything DX12 Ultimate development is more of a hindrance than Series S ever was or will be, IMO.

[@GhoulSolo___]

​@davidandrew6855 The Series S is worse in every way. Games that require a lot of RAM are definitely going to be running into problems

[@davidandrew6855]

@@GhoulSolo___ That was not the argument was it? The OP said the SS was a hindrance to the SX, and that is just not the case. I never said that RAM hungry games won't pose a challenge for the S, just that the S does not hold back the performant abilities of the Series X.

[@GhoulSolo___]

@davidandrew6855 Nobody is saying the Series S is holding back the performance of the Series X or the PS5 because that's just stupid. They're saying the games that release a lot of the time need to be reduced in a lot of ways just to get it running. Brothers: A tale of 2 Sons remake runs at 454P on the Series S, and Larian had to take split screen out of Baldurs gate 3 because they couldn't figure out how to get it running

[@Afroman792]

@@davidandrew6855 The parity clause is what I was talking about, I should have clarified. I spent more money on a console only to get games well after they release on other platforms because MS didnt put enough ram in the SS. I understand it allowed people to get to next gen at a lower price but ot also gave the middle finger to the people who bought the more powerful and expensive console. I am not familiar with the details of game development but I would imagine that they have to factor in the lowest common denominator when making games, so thwy just dont do things that maybe they could if the SS had a bit more under the hood.

[@TheOmenXXX]

The problem here is John, like a giddy school kid loves to regal us with his insight on the lower memory pool on Series S, this everyone knows and is not in anyway an insurmountable problem, it is a challenge faced across the broad spectrum of PC hardware and not a unique Series S challenge. Joan previously embarrassed himself in front of an ID software Dev , trying to chuckle about Series S only to be told - politely - it was just different hardware requiring different solutions and here his colleagues are gently trying to rein in his inner fanboy - the issue is and always has been the huge development resources devoted to PS prioritisation , which are 'directly' transferable to which other platforms ?? That's right exactly none - there are no other RDNA 1.5 consoles or those running PS API - this is a huge time drain of developer resources to get the best PS version they can - PC can handle a poor port because there will always be hardware good enough to make lite of poor optimisation - but it is far from ideal - Series X is by this point used to weak porting effort but something like Series S does in fact require actual optimisation - optimisation which doesn't just benefit a platform living on an Island such as PS, but benefits other consoles and PC as we saw with BG3 - so while i appreciate John continually bringing up what everyone already knows, maybe he would like to just once broach the topic of the single platform holding back all of the others with its 'bespoke' requirements taking up so much of the available development resource's.

[@CheckmateStallioN]

They didnt show any new gameplay of Wukong running on X. all we saw is a new CG trailer. I smell a red flag. At least Wuchang got a gameplay trailer and it looks solid. At least on PC you dont have to wait. The shit people gotta put up with if they only game on console. PC = freedom and control

[@skywalk3x]

They prioritized the PC and PS5, let’s not complicate this.

[@based-ys9um]

Its because the series s . The potato. Lets not complicate this .

[@skywalk3x]

@@based-ys9um it’s because developers are lazy. Assassins Creed released on all and I bet you it’s bigger than Wukong. There’s a parity because it can play it. Again stop being a sheep and repeating what’s popular. It’s not complicated to be your own person

[@GhoulSolo___]

​@@skywalk3xAssassin's creed doesn't use UE5

[@skywalk3x]

@@GhoulSolo___ so what of course it wasn’t out then dummy. But Fable does and GOW and most recent HELLBLADE. Think before you post

[@Amhoj1]

But wukong is way more detailed and takes more decelopment. Assasins creed games are nothing but copy paste games. ​@@skywalk3x

[@MrCrypto137]

Series S was a huge mistake. It´s holding back the entire generation. I wouldn´t be mad if more and more devs just drop Xbox completely so we get more ambitious games that don´t need to scale down to Series S

[@ArielCleirigh]

Well Enotria devs skip series s too.

[@based-ys9um]

@@ArielCleirigh based

[@GavinAeilts]

A mistake to make a console cheaper than any other on the market that is still next gen compatible? How is that a bad move.

[@bossredd-77]

Salty ponies

[@MrCrypto137]

@@GavinAeilts I made my point. The series S is holding devs back to make the game they want to make. Kingdom Come 2 devs recently confirmed this. Their game will be smaller in scale due to Series S, making it worse for everyone else. Even MS is losing here. Remember when BG3 released but not on Xbox? The fucking GotY couldn´t launch on Xbox just cause of Series S. They probably lost a huge amount of sales because of it. And for what? Xbox sales are extremely low in general, not even mentioning that probably most of these sales are Xbox Series X and not S. Why bother with such a underpowered console no one even buys?

[@grcigar9911]

Hopefully it was to build a setting with the ability to toggle off the cringe monkey sounds from the protagonist during combat. Remember the patch to tone down Aloy being annoying in HFW…this is worse.

[@DARKZONE-ul2mx]

Series s is holding gameing back

[@davidandrew6855]

Not this tired, uninformed and incorrect logic again. If it is holding back gaming, then logic dictates that *no* game this generation should be running badly on PS5/Series X where they have about 2.5-3x the overall compute ability. Not to mention any gaming PC that costs more than $1000. Unfortunately that is not the case, and we have games that run like garbage, if they were all Series S spec, why aren' the running better on *much* better hardware?

[@ixximixxi]

Series S was a huge mistake

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

And still there’s person who’ll defend this underpowered machine.

[@davidandrew6855]

Defend? If it gives the user an experience they enjoy, then what is the actually argument? I have one, and it plays games just fine, when I can't use the PS5 on the big TV in the other room. The fact that people don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't a good machine at what it was intended to do. Now the parity clause that Microsoft has for games releasing at the same time on Series X and Series s, is kind of stupid IMO, and should be rescinded. That way if the Series S version takes longer to optimize for the smaller memory and gpu capacity, then so be it, those that spend the $500 on the Series X won't have to wait.

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

@@davidandrew6855 There you go…people don’t like it. Correction, not people but the owner of Series X. You super anticipate to play your game just to know that the games that you’ve been waiting for got delayed due to weak consoles hinder the development process and time just so you can pass the “standard”. Best way to lose more users lol.

[@davidandrew6855]

@@soraaoixxthebluesky What are you saying? Can you try again with a little more clarity?

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

@@davidandrew6855 “That way if the Series S version takes longer to optimize for the smaller memory and gpu capacity, then so be it” please reread your statement. You think development time comes for free? Everything involved cost. If they need two separate time frame for different consoles spec then they’ll lose money. Time = money. Is a hectic machine for a developers to focus on unless Microsoft give them unlimited amount of money to work on both systems which they’re not. They expect any developer with their devkit to ship games on both systems on the same day. If they release the games on different days people will know that the smaller machine not worth buying = failure. Series S hinder the development process since day 1. Microsoft expect the game to be on the same level or better than PS5 for a base machine but also force dev to make the code compatible for the weaker consoles and pass their QC or “performance standard”. What kind of BS is tahy?

[@kevinsims5791]

If the series s can run starfield at 120fps i think its fine