Black Myth: Wukong, GPU Benchmark (43 GPUs) 522 Data Points!

[@HoneyTwee]

That thumbnail is amazing! 😅

[@DokSpec]

its the best 🤣😂i had too look twice

[@proklet4694]

That is Steve after Ryzen 5 benchmarks 😁

[@Iconic11111]

Stevey King 🐵

[@zoeywalton7125]

I remember listening to them trying to find the thumbnail.

[@A-Ghorab]

@@HoneyTwee it's f** halirous I saw it then I was like there is something wrong then I focused at it and laughed 🤣🤣

[@BenyaminLorit]

That thumbnail could easily boost game sales by 200%.

[@Dark.Syndicate]

best thumbnail ever !

[@gamersmudngrubshow6119]

second

[@alchemystn2o]

I laughed so hard when I saw that thumbnail. 😆

[@xfreejack001x]

😂😂

[@artzen1040]

I just noticed that after reading this comment lol

[@Disco_Tek]

"Black Myth Wukong is a game!" Go on Steve.... you have my attention.

[@vuxpee]

Thanks, Steve

[@thesilentassassin1167]

Still better review than IGN

[@c2ashman]

@@vuxpee Do not mix this up with Black Myth WuDONG...thats not a game.

[@paulnolan4971]

@@c2ashman and its sequel Black Myth: WuKONG DONG !

[@eliadbu]

At that point he has to tell this to himself to believe it is a game and not benchmark tool.

[@Ark_Strike]

"But can it run Wukong?" I can see it when the 5000 series and 8000 series come out

[@jasonwittlin-cohen5133]

Note that there is currently a bug in the benchmark that does not apply your selected scaling percentage to DLSS. Rather, it uses the closest DLSS preset. As such, the path-tracing results are using 66.66% scaling for NVIDIA cards and 75% for AMD. Subjectively, the DLSS image quality will still be higher despite rendering at a lower internal resolution, but that probably wasn’t the intention of the testing. Also, given that this is really a path tracing implementation, 50% scaling makes sense at 4K, which would be equivalent to 1440p at 75% scaling. 1440p DLSS quality only renders at 960p internallly. No graphics card can do 4K at 66 or 75% scaling using path tracing at useable frame rates, even with frame generation.

[@Healcraft]

You also have to restart the program after changing any settings just to make sure because many of them don't change

[@QuentinStephens]

And it doesn't have the latest DLSS DLLs, does it?

[@mikymouse7525]

Those scaling percentages are applied only if TSR is used, otherwise the default resolutions for render scale are applied.

[@mondzi]

I don't know if it's a bug or just questionably weird settings behavior, but I can confirm that there is no FPS difference between DLSS 67% and DLSS 89% (so it uses DLSS Quality preset). With FSR the performance scales based on the resolution scale you set (so there are differences between 67%, 75% and for example 90%). This is really important information, because it makes the benchmark result quite skewed.

[@QuentinStephens]

@@mondzi Hopefully HUB will do a full dive with DLSS, FSR, and XeSS.

[@rossgarner58]

RT should come with a warning it will kick your GPU in the balls.

[@vedomedo]

It does, but people seem to forget everytime a new title is released

[@damara2268]

In this game "RT" is always on and the "full RT" switch enables path tracing. That's why basically only RTX 4000 can somewhat handle it

[@geetargato]

RTX 3000 and 4000 GPUs can handle ray tracing fine with DLSS on. Even on the 4090, you shouldn't bother with ray tracing without DLSS, especially when using a game with DLSS 3.5 enabled.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

4070 ti and up and no AMD can do ray tracing in this game

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

@@geetargato 3000? cap. Maybe a 3080 and 3080 but my 3070ti cant handle shite even at lowest possible rt with dlss Q or B

[@Dani-kq6qq]

43 GPUs and 522 data points, damn. Thats a lot of work

[@followtheori]

Now the same with CPUs... :D

[@Blacktrous]

@@followtheoriIf you play at 4K it would be the same between i3 10100F and R7 7800X3D 😆

[@BangHJL]

"Cinematic" means movie-like as in 24fps. 😂

[@TheEgzi]

Ultra would be a better name

[@dakbassett]

​@@TheEgzithey were making a joke. The standard fps for movies is usually 24 fps.

[@TheEgzi]

@@dakbassett yeh I got it

[@tim.fletcher]

​@@TheEgzi - But did you? Lol

[@tukkeuma8958]

I don't know why you are laughing because that is literally what it means. "cinematic experience" means low fps but high quality

[@Games_and_Tech]

I still remember when the 3080 was sold as 4k GPU 😢

[@gameclips5734]

that's what i use it for 4K60fps

[@mustangmanx]

Hey I'm right there, 6950xt 😂

[@coinsagE46m3]

It 100% still is.

[@australienski6687]

​@@coinsagE46m3as long as you set everything to low, sure

[@DrakeTech-kh8hs]

The worst thing is that Turing was sold as a GPU for RT, many years later $2000 GPUs still don't run well.

[@SphereS7]

Gamers on their way to buy a 4090 so that they can play in full hd at barely 60 fps in exchange for literally subtle water reflections.

[@colemin2]

What about gamers getting the 4090 to play the game at HUB optimized settings, at 4k, dlss quality, high refresh rate?

[@jacklowe7479]

I remember when people were buying 2080ti to play bf5 at similar fps, 1080p.

[@DrakkonMufik]

@@jacklowe7479i remember when people were buying ati rage to play at 640*480 at 30 fps at best =p

[@greelow]

I play on 1440p with a RTX 4090 7950X3D and I have 140 FPS on average with DLSS enabled, cinematic settings, RTX off, 75% resolution. Still have some stuttering I think because of the game. My temps are 59°C for both CPU and GPU during the game. GPU reach 99% utilisation.

[@smithnwesson990]

Sure thats worth 1800 bucks 😂 The more and more i look at how much that GPU costs the more a 4070 super looks like a steal. Can literally build a whole gaming rig for the price of the 4090. Hell you can build a 4080 super gaming rig and get 80 percent of the performance ​@colemin2

[@Maxxilopez92]

40 hours in the benchmark tool, this guy is not human...

[@DimkaTsv]

Spent more than hour myself with single GPU... So 40 hours is quite realistic. But taking in account GPU physical changes it must be EXHAUSTING.

[@viking9442]

@@DimkaTsv still sounds like a fun job

[@Abujound]

​@@viking9442yeah with some good music or philosophical background sound playing 😂 thats paradise for a man

[@theweekendgamer6294]

It's literally his job

[@Mauntium]

Look at the thumbnail, dude. He abandoned humanity to return to monke

[@eternalwingspro4454]

Monkey king❌ Benchmark king ✔️

[@valok252]

New Crysis.

[@trinityforce9138]

@@valok252My GPU is going to cry sis

[@aviatedviewssound4798]

@@trinityforce9138 😂😂😂😂😂

[@HoneyTwee]

810p upscaled to 1080p with frame generation. And still only the 4070Ti and above are really a smooth experience. Damn.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@HoneyTwee well that's you don't put every setting on max. Daniel Owen has made optimized settings for this game.

[@quasii7]

Future proof game, very nice

[@HoneyTwee]

​​@@quasii7 I guess. I think it would be useful in games that are as demanding as this to be given some context as to how the game actually looks. If the game genuinely looks really amazing then sure. I'm fine with it not running well at native 1440p even on a RTX 4090. It's built to continue to look better as new GPUs come out. But just looking at a FPS graph you cannot tell the difference between that, and a game that doesn't look that good but is just poorly optimised. A quick rundown of if the performance is justified by the visuals at any point in the video, a bit like what digital foundry do would be nice. I get that's not what this video is about, and the optimization guide next week will cover this. But at the moment I think my reaction is kind of expected due to the lack of context surrounding pure FPS graphs.

[@thefilmdirector1]

@@HoneyTwee the game really isnt anything impressive.

[@tyr8338]

RT doesn`t seem to be worth it in the current generation of GPUs in this game unless you`re on 4090, to be honest. The graphic upgrade is mild and hard to notice, at least on YT clips. The game still looks nice on high, and fps is about 3 times higher. There are some games where RT is like a generational upgrade (Metro, Dying Light 2,. Cyberpunk( but Wukong doesn`t seem to be one of these games, at least I think so far based on limited exposure to the game recordings on YT. Another thing I noticed is abnormally weak RT performance on RTX 3080 / Ti. In all other games, these cards are on par with 4070 / super or even 4070 Ti but in Wukong they are way slower. The interesting part is that in 1440p high 3080, it gets a lot faster and starts to reach 4070 so either RT implementation in this game is bugged on RTX 3000 or there is a driver issue (or perhaps Wukong employees RTX 4000 architecture is better?)

[@Copeur]

Sadly gaming is slowly changing to a hobby for rich people.. If you want a smooth experience even on 1080p you need to upgrade every year or two :/

[@ChrisPkmn]

Three things I discovered with the benchmark wukong tool: Check to see if the upscaling percent decreased by 1 when you change graphic settings. If you use a keyboard, you can change two settings at once by highlighting one setting with your keys and another setting with your mouse. Left clicking when the benchmark runs hides the mouse.

[@sgredsch]

1080p with only 75% resolution scale + frame generation and most gpus still dont hit 60 fps. jesus christ. cant wait for 480p 15fps gaming in 3 years.

[@ASadTeddyBear]

Well to be honest I think none of these tests represent the combination of settings that 90% of people who play this game will use which would probably be FG/DLSS/FSR on + RT off. Regarding the first 2 sets of tests, I don't know how many people will ever run RT at all when the results are so catastrophic for frame rates, unless you're using the literal top end of top end GPUs. Regarding the last 3 set of tests, I don't know how many people will refuse to use frame generation when it practically gives you free frames.

[@D.Enniss]

@@ASadTeddyBear If you're not on a 60Hz screen there's 0 reason to avoid FG, input latency is negligible at 144hz for an instance. Even at 60Hz there are things that can be done to improve latency a whole lot if you know what you're doing and depending on the game

[@damara2268]

Then don't play at absolute maximum settings and use high preset instead which makes you get 250% fps with only 10% graphics quality loss. Nobody is forcing you to play maxed out graphics.. maxed out graphics is only for the most powerful GPU and next gen. Btw, consoles will run this game on mix of low and medium settings with high textures and it will still look very good.

[@ASadTeddyBear]

@@D.Enniss That's exactly my point.

[@xerxeslv]

@@ASadTeddyBear Yeah I am not getting this kind of test also, I like high refresh and usually play with no RT and DLSS enabled (on performance mode if game looks ok) with the mix of different settings like textures\lighting\postprocessing on max and lowered shadows eflections. DLSS+FG+mixed settings can do pretty high FPS in demanding games even on mid-tier hardware, but yeah... Sadly big channels usually only bench using pre-sets, well at least they bench on different resolutions still -_-

[@Hubwood]

I really hope free benchmark tools become more common. Thats such a good idea... Love it. Preferably with a bit more realistic gameplay scenes.

[@princehariz7859]

You here? Gonna test on laptop hub? :D

[@Hubwood]

@@princehariz7859 if it's gonna be a popular game and they offer a free Benchmark Tool, hell yeah 😅

[@chillhour6155]

its an old idea..from 24 years ago to be more precise

[@Hubwood]

@@chillhour6155 you're talking about demo versions ;) I'd take them as well but was refering specifically to a benchmark tool so people can test if their system can actually run the game...

[@EVPointMaster]

@Hardware Unboxed DLSS does not work like the game says it does. It does not use 75% render scale. For some reason DLSS is not actually using the resolutions displayed on the slider. Instead it only uses the "Current DLSS Quality Mode" displayed under the Super Resolutions description. These use the typical DLSS resolutions. The slider does allow you to change the Quality mode, but it only uses the 5 discrete values for the different Quality modes. You can display DLSSs internal render resolution with the DLSS overlay enabled in regedit/DLSSTweaks or show it with Special Ks overlay. As far as I can tell the other upscalers use the actual slider resolutions, so you are benchmarking DLSS 67% vs FSR 75%. Aditionally, there is a display bug that sometimes changes the displayed slider value. For example if I set the slider to 89 and hit apply, then leave the menu, opening the menu up again the slider will show 88 instead. 88 will also be displayed in the benchmark result, but this is not correct. You can open the config file and see that the game is still set to 89% render resolution.

[@nomercy8989]

I don't think the benchmark is representative of the actual game. There is nothing happening. Not particle effects, no action, no AI.

[@sammiller6631]

AI is a nothingburger buzzword.

[@bobcoffee11]

Did the AI overlords pay you to say that? ​@@sammiller6631

[@Snoozy96]

@@sammiller6631 Hes talking about the AI in the game. how is that a buzzword? The CPU and GPU applications of AI and their effect on performance have been around since forever. Look at The Last Guardian for one of the most intense AI developed around the PS3/early PS4 age.

[@madson-web]

You can't even disable upscaling/temporal stuff in the menu. "We built this high quality assets that can't be seen in all its glory"

[@iamspencerx]

"Black Myth Wukong is a game!" That's all I needed to know, see you in the next one

[@braksonmichael9037]

pu m

[@razorblazor571]

Now we know who the monkey king really is. I've always suspected.

[@braksonmichael9037]

pu m

[@anasdabbar]

so basically the game is unplayable for most people good stuff

[@stormshadow5382]

@@anasdabbar yeap. Thank you nvidia sponsor making it have RT always on.

[@TheRover87]

Not really. Changing settings to medium and most cards play it fine.

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@stormshadow5382 RT isn't always on, Lumen is. From what I have read from others it seems there is a misunderstanding of what Full Ray Tracing actually is (which is what is being tested here), full ray tracing is actually path tracing which is why it is so demanding and also explains why even the 4090 struggles with it, this setting is not always on it can be toggled on or off. The Lumen aspect has nothing to do with Ray Tracing.

[@stormshadow5382]

@@aflyingcowboy31 lumen uses basic ray tracing for it's lighting. That's why I said RT on, not full RT on

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@stormshadow5382 " lumen uses basic ray tracing for it's lighting." No it doesn't, Lumen uses no ray tracing, Lumen is software based, meaning Nvidia cards that have RT cores do not get any improvement from games that use Lumen i.e. both AMD and Nvidia are on more of an equal playing field here. Lumen, is Unreal Engine's real-time global illumination and reflections system, it does not use traditional ray tracing for its lighting. Instead, it employs a combination of screen space techniques and a voxel-based representation to achieve dynamic global illumination and reflections. So no, it has nothing to do with Ray Tracing or Nvidia.

[@joeg6385]

Thank you for doing the work to bring us these results.

[@HiltonHeslop]

Ok … 98% of us will just play something else

[@VFD4u]

Funny how 4K isn't even considered lol We're literally going backwards

[@KPX01]

more like 4k was way too early, the only gpu that can run 4k is the high end gpu and even then getting 60fps can be a struggle.

[@TechnoGuille]

of course that game is totally marketing the new 5090 and 5080

[@Vss077]

more like its 4k native + fully maxed out cinematic & very high raytracing. - at 4k u usually always want use dlss (or fsr) no matter what game & gpu u have Raytracing chuggs a ton of performance when just switching from medium to very high - its like a 50% hit. everything else is peanuts (though ingame the performance hit is bigger, the benchmark basically shows u if u can run the game , no real fps test here)

[@slylockfox85]

Thanks to Nvidia Gimpworks (raytracing), which doesn't even look that much better in 99% of scenarios.

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

@@TechnoGuille Devs sure might be using unreleased 5090.

[@psillon]

GPU drivers optimizations incoming... Steve, prepare for more benchmarks! 😁

[@Keithmonnelly]

I've really missed you doing this type of content. I used to love your day one in benchmark videos I hope we'll see more of these

[@eskrimakravmaga8536]

You are definitely getting a like for all the hard work. You've got bags under your eyes mate, the least that we could do is say thank you!

[@gamersmudngrubshow6119]

0:05: "Black Myth: Wukong is a game." Crazy if true! 😮😂

[@c4prantik]

😂😭😭

[@d_prac]

A controversial statement if ever there was one.

[@lappania]

Truly one of the statements of all time.

[@awalay-wz3nh]

Wish the lumen/software rt thing was itself a toggleable setting instead of being tied to presets or api or something

[@Aegie]

You can always change to DX11 by tweaking the files, it disables lumen 👀

[@panzer3279]

It's an UE5 game. If you want to turn off basic UE5 features, don't buy the game.

[@damara2268]

You can disable it by using the DX11 version, but then the game looks crap

[@Argoon1981]

@@panzer3279 Lumen and nanite, unlike PBR (physically based rendering) are not really basic UE5 features, are special extra UE5 features and they are entirely optional, while PBR in UE4 and UE5 is not. You can make a UE5 game, without nanite and Lumen and it will still be a UE5 game plus you will take advantage of the improvements this newer engine brought to the tools and some of the workflow. But yes, most recent UE5 dev's now use those features, so technically they will become "basic" UE5 features, going forward.

[@czbrat]

Software Lumen is still fully supported on DX11, just not hardware Lumen.

[@tvcultural68]

and nanite?

[@shadowlemon69]

1080P Native Max Settings without RT requiring RX 7900 XTX/ RTX 4080for at least 60 FPS is INSANE

[@mitsuhh]

The game always uses RT

[@shadowlemon69]

@@mitsuhh still, a $1,000 for 1080P gaming

[@martinkolar9753]

We need next gen GPUs already 😅

[@v808]

@@mitsuhhwait there is no option to turn off RT in this game?

[@mitsuhh]

@@v808 Lumen is on by default. The custom RT setting is for path tracing

[@justwinclassic]

I absolutely hate how frame generation has become a thing. It is garbage below 70FPS so what’s the actual point of it. Also, holy balls. A 4090 struggling outside of 1080p.

[@robred123s]

@@justwinclassic frame gen feels bad all the time to me. And looks not as good to my eye. Frame gen data is next to useless to me, so I was kinda disappointed in this.

[@dakbassett]

​@@robred123she tested without FG in this video as well. Also 43 different graphics cards. Useless? Lol

[@robred123s]

@@dakbassett to me? Yes. Because I like RT. I absolutely do not use FG. It's terrible. I'd rather play 30fps. At least then it plays how it feels, and the dissonance in my head doesn't pop off. So, showing me FG that I have to guestimate 40fps increase, if that? IDC if the game is hard to run. I have a 7800x3d and a 4090. If there's a game I can't play well, then that just means it's not gonna play well until next gen drops, if that. And I want to know what I can actually do maxed out without some BS stop-gap tech that only exists to make the numbers on a graph look better.

[@justwinclassic]

@@dakbassett I never said anything about the data points and the work put in, I was specifically talking about frame gen. I also hate how we need to consider things like DLSS and FSR.

[@justwinclassic]

@@robred123s amen brother.

[@theblubus]

I'm sorry you had to issue a disclaimer at the beginning of your video with the review censorship but as always, I still love the content! Thank you for the work you're doing! :)

[@longjohn526]

I think a lot of people will change their tune about this benchmark once they get the game and find how much performance drops off in areas with a lot of NPCs and during intense combat with all the flashy lighting effects Asian developers love to (over) use This is a best case scenario benchmark that is leaving out all the CPU intensive parts of the game which makes me suspect that it will turn out to be another Dragon's Dogma 2

[@FoxyCAMTV]

Updates will fiix it,once they get real world data.

[@srn7254]

DD2 was a unique case of RE Engine being wholly inadequate for large NPC counts - hence the massive CPU bottleneck that developers tried to somewhat mitigate with ridiculously close spawn distances for said NPCs.

[@zilverman7820]

Also the recommendation is using fsr 😂

[@theplotthickens6313]

this has me scared im getting 86 at max and 76 avg high native 2160x1080 on my 6800 xt on linux with alot of npc its going to tank

[@saricubra2867]

Crysis 1 running in one thread on my 12700K, with the crazy physics, the AI on the hardest difficulty and destruction on buildings still gives me +100fps. I wonder how the heck a game like Dragon's Dogma 2 is that CPU intensive, is not an RTS game like Troy Total War Saga.

[@Bnd002p]

This feels like a whole class of students failed an exam and now the teacher is blaming us lol

[@zer0legend109]

lmao, only the 4090 passed this term and not on all subjects

[@amnottabs]

tag yourself, I'm the 2080ti btw

[@Jakiyyyyy]

4090 cheating in exams. 3050: It ain't much but it's honest work. 🤣

[@MinosML]

@@amnottabs deff 6500 XT material right here (I'm sorry...)

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Hardware unboxed showing off their inner warrior beast in that thumbnail.💪

[@GewelReal]

You're everywhere

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@GewelReal Was about to say the same

[@EvanAxel]

reject ray tracing return to *m o n k e*

[@jozadagames6818]

Nobody will use 75% upscaling on an Ampere and not even on Ada DLSS Quality uses 67% upscaling not 75! the performance will be way better with optimized settings and 67% even on a 3080 and I dare say that most people won't use RT in this game at all, but this is a quality good video as always!

[@winj3r]

It always surprises me the amount of content Steve can put out in one video.

[@thkhoa8805]

Kudos and hats off to the sheer effort you guys put in for the gaming community

[@j3m638]

Honestly man, do you guys ever sleep? I mean seriously! Your output is in a league of it's own. Thx!

[@OptimizingNetwork]

All these games are beyond unoptimized. This game looks good, but not ground breaking good The reality is that companies can't make a game look as good as Red Dead Redemption 2, yet they require you to have 7900xtx or RTX 4090 to be above 100 fps in 1080p. Which in 2024 is absolutely RIDICULOUS This is like Watch Dogs Legion barely hanging on RTX 4090 at 1080p. Companies make unoptimized mess, and call them "masterpieces", requiring you to upgrade more and more, which is bull of collosal proportions. I am speaking this as 13900k owner with RTX 4090. Why does an average gamer need to have something so expensive as me, to play a game that looks like it was made in 2018?

[@yuluoxianjun]

😅😂rdr2 cost 5 time more money than this game

[@nitrowarrior-lj5ip]

My 12900ks says rip big bro to your 13900k 😂

[@EhNothing]

Yep, and the solution is so simple: just don't buy the game when they do this garbage. Sales line go down, game companies start paying attention.

[@reeeeeee6416]

Denuvo and forced shadow RT is to blame here, if only those two can be turned off average people can play the game

[@vigilant_1934]

RDR2 is not on the level of this game. This is a proper UE5 game too. RDR2 was the best of the previous gen and now we are really getting to see what this current gen can do.

[@MaaZeus]

"...but can it run Wukong?" That is going to be the catchphrase for the next decade I believe.

[@tdunster2011]

A bit like "Crysis".

[@sambouza]

​@@tdunster2011 that's the joke

[@Decenium]

no, game is no nearly important or impressive enough for that, also I think with Crysis we by now must have found out how stupid that line was anyway, EVERYTHING could RUN Crysis, few could MAX it.

[@australienski6687]

@@MaaZeus until GTA 6 comes out.

[@vitgerivaz]

Unforunately Every other AAA game nowadays is an unoptimized mess so.....when every game runs like crap, there's no "gold standard", like crysis in the past.

[@Tainted79]

Thumbnail is hilarious. Cheers

[@JuliusWise]

RTX : ON FPS: OFF

[@damara2268]

It's actually PTX so fps crashed

[@nossy232323]

RTX: ON AMD: LEFT THE ROOM

[@eternalwingspro4454]

​@@nossy232323accurate... Considering Radeon RX 7900 XTX can't even deliver proper gaming experience at 1080p. I will try this benchmark with my older Radeon GPUs from GCN era.

[@moravianlion3108]

@@nossy232323 * "nvidia sponsored game" Steve

[@RiverNeo]

@@eternalwingspro4454 Huh ? the 7900xtx hits over 100FPS the fuck are you talking about

[@xlinnaeus]

You're a lot of bloody champions thank you for your hard work to inform and protect the consumer!

[@rodrirm]

As always a great video Steve!!!, so basically, after all this years, my RTX 2070 have finally meet its conqueror. Good thing there are plenty of amazing games out there that don't demand such a high powerfull system to be played. Not only you will need to get a better GPU, but you would also need to get a faster CPU. And that my friends, in a world deep in recession, will be an imposible task for lots of gamers out there, me included. Cheers from Argnetina

[@nbrikha]

Owning a 7900 XTX........OOOOOOOOOFFFF

[@oopsgaming7111]

This is ridiculous. You need a 4090 minimum at 1080p to have a "good" RT experience? What happened to these devs?

[@giglioflex]

The same thing that happens to every game Nvidia sponsors, they take money and in exchange put whatever unoptimized BS Nvidia wants in.

[@mojojojo6292]

Nonsense. Did you even watch the video. You don't just leave it on max settings. With optimised settings you can easily get over 100fps at 4k

[@gameurai5701]

@@mojojojo6292 FG and DLSS is not "optimized settings".

[@daztora]

yeah it's a pass from me, It doesn't even look like it needs that hardware

[@yeahitsme4427]

​@@daztorathis!! I cant see any impressive visuals that justify this RT perfomance cap!

[@7rich79]

It's crazy that something like a 3090 Ti could deliver "unplayable" performance. I don't think I'll buy anything this decade.

[@semyonzhigunov671]

Just don't run the game with ultra preset, bro

[@Nucleosynthese]

Back in the dat you couldn’t play the newest games in the highest settings with a 4 year old gpu either to be honest. I like that we are finally getting some true next gen experiences at least

[@giglioflex]

@@Nucleosynthese Graphics don't make a game next-gen, gameplay does. Pretty graphics don't do squat when your game is soulless (no pun intended). Just look at all the AAA games that have come out from ubisoft and EA over the years that are complete trash despite massive leaps in how good the games look.

[@lulass-z6r]

@@giglioflex Next-gen has always been co-related with graphical and technical leap, not so much gameplay wise, We couldn't simulate thousands of procedural stuff with old gen consoles, you're changing that definition for the sake of your argument. Gameplay is more important than graphics but it doesn't constitute towards being next gen as much as graphics/technical stuff do. There are so many technical stuff you can develop only on next gen hardware, ghost of tsuhima used custom procedural generation to simulate high quality grass which would've been neigh impossible in old gen consoles.

[@Nucleosynthese]

@@giglioflex That's just your opinion though. To me a giant leap in graphics is exciting and that's what makes this game next gen. It makes me think back at the original Crysis. A great example of a next gen title before its time.

[@AlexHusTech]

*This game made my 7800XT seem like a budget GPU* 🤣

[@lefourbe5596]

Wait it isn't ?! 😮

[@AlexHusTech]

@@lefourbe5596 is it??

[@TechnoGuille]

from 2k king to 480p king, so bad industry

[@giglioflex]

@@lefourbe5596 $500 is absolutely not budget. That should go without saying. Budget is the bottom bracket, 6500 XT for example.

[@Nukarilla]

It is

[@Rob165x]

Thank you Steve for all the hard work running these! It's clear the RT in this game is brutal and being an early Unreal 5 game it shows that current hardware wasn't exactly ready for it lol

[@BrandonWestfall]

Testing one game on one system multiple times is a pain. I can't imagine the time dumped into all of this testing. Some of us actually appreciate you guys for this.

[@Ji-youn9]

Wahh what a thumbnail , amazing work 👏🏻

[@frankytanky5076]

Idk how you possibly look at these results and don't come away thinking rt is multiple gens away still for the vast majority. Like holy shit, this game is completely unplayable with rt on basically.

[@Gamer-q7v]

43 GPUs? That is an insane amount of GPUs to test and would have required lots of time and effort. Thanks for doing this, Steve. Greatly appreciated.

[@TheNerd]

Final a company that has the balls to crush everyones GPU. Well played!

[@SpongeBob-DK]

I love when you do these benchmarks videos - must be a lot of work for sure. I would wish that you start including laptop GPUs since so many people falls into that category. You could indicate the mac watt for the notebook GPU - no need to test a lot of laptop models.

[@johnc8327]

3:39 4060ti 8GB beats 7900XTX with RT turned on LMFAO.

[@elirantuil5003]

That is absolutely insane

[@tomstech4390]

They're using Nvidia drivers specifically launched for this game (560.87 which you can't get). But they're not waiting the 2 days for AMD to have driver support for this game.

[@tomstech4390]

Yeah you enjoy that 831p 51fps slideshow son Meanwhile a 7900xtx owner disables RTBS, selects 2160p on very high settings, FSR quality for 1440p render +FG and averages 99fps, I don't use AMD but thats what I would do.

[@kunka592]

@@tomstech4390 Same story every time. Some nVidia fanboy brags about RT performance when in reality, they are getting a shit experience as well unless they have a 4090 maybe.

[@elirantuil5003]

@johnc8327 people here discussing the anecdote itself, without realizing the bigger picture. Is the comparison between the 4060ti and 7900xtx stupid? Ofc it is! But considering the fact that in any situation at all, the 7900xtx gives you the same benefit as someone who purchased the 4060ti 8GB, is the 4070 ti super comparison out of the question? That's a big no. Nvidia is the market leading behemoth that charges a premium, they should not win on value, and in this case, they sort of do. This and the future consequences is "the big deal".

[@Itsyesfahad]

The game is optimized for Nvidia cards obviously, when the 3080 and 3070 are doing much better than the 7900 XTX lmfao another nvidia shenanigans.

[@givinnatanlie4619]

Nice new benchmark game for the charts

[@harryhorton976]

Thanks Steve - Brilliant review on all the GPU`s it`s MUCH APPRECIATED , all your hard work for us out in the open world of trying to buy a NEW GPU - Thanks again for all you hard work (UK)

[@bluemarble4051]

Woah insane gpu data. thanks for testing steve!

[@tonygunk1886]

This is mind boggling how you have to have frame gen/upscale to even have a 1440p RT experience on a 4090!! What the flying f ** are we even doing anymore lol

[@saricubra2867]

If with Valve's Source 2 and the global illumination it has, i can run Counter Strike 2 dust2 deathmatch with UHD770 at +60fps with integer scaling 1280x1024, Unreal Engine 5 is a dumpster fire only designed for an RTX4090 and i9-14900K.

[@SyntaxDaemon]

I wish you had not tested with frame generation. I dont see the point - it just makes it harder to see what the actual framerate and responsiveness is.

[@torchbearer3784]

If they ever would make a movie of this game the lead part and the poster is ready. Thanks for the effort doing these benchmarks👍

[@KIonutzR]

Don't have time to watch this video atm, but wanted to drop in and say that that's one badass thumbnail. Love it. I'll drop my like now and watch it a bit later. Cheers!

[@MisterBlack83]

At what point does playability weigh more than looks....

[@XionEternum]

"Cinematic quality" needs renamed "cinematic framerate"

[@stanimir4197]

that's mostly shadows and vegetation quality, though.

[@gargean1671]

One thing to note: 75% upscaling is higher resolution than Quality preset, at least for DLSS. Quality is around 67%, so would PROBABLY be a more balanced pick.

[@krisshietala2119]

77% is usually ultra quality.

[@MiraPloy]

AMDunboxed never goes below quality preset because FSR would be unusable on it despite DLSS performance being quite good.

[@iurigrang]

This. Also, I found the lack of ray tracing + high really weird. Once you reach high, ray tracing has a lot better bang for buck in terms of image quality than this fixation with "ultra" settings. Feels especially weird from an outlet so vocal about the stupidity of ultra settings.

[@dkindig]

In this case, 75% is the same as Quality. Here are the quality settings for specific slider positions: if you set resolution slider to 90-100 then DLAA gets selected (100%) 62-89 then Quality mode is used (67%) 55-61 then Balanced mode is used (58%) 40-54 then Performance mode is used (50%)

[@SM-mt8pz]

​@@iurigrangIt's not that deep. He is just giving the benchmark results based on the GPU he tested. As he said, optimization guide is on the way.

[@rimlatv]

Thank you guys for still including the RX 5700 XT in the benchmark. I'm always amazed to see that this GPU is still going strong after 5 years. 👍

[@AetherMind81]

OMG, LOL, Best Thumbnail EVER!!!

[@gunman5433]

THE THUBMNAIL LMAOO 🤣🤣

[@LtCatscratch]

"7800xt a mid-tier 1080p card now" - Wukong

[@iPpBG]

Always has been

[@rolandkovacs3]

@@iPpBG never was, its a good card for 1440p ultra or even 4k gaming with compromises

[@Frigobar_Ranamelonico]

@@rolandkovacs3 Yeah, only been able to play Raster games. It's good for competitive games, nothing else.

[@supremeboy]

Ignore that game bench. It is Nvidia title and ALL AMD cards are bad with this. Its basically Nvidia paid game devs to make game look good and run on heavy RT knowing it will cuck AMD cards.

[@sanji663]

@@Frigobar_Ranamelonico dafuq are raster games

[@oswaldjh]

Tried the Benchmark tool for myself and with a few adjustments in settings got 100 FPS. I got that on my 4070 TI Super and my RX 6700 XT @1440p. The 6700 XT settings are High Preset, FSR + FG, Super Resolution set to 65, No RT. The CPUs for both cards are Ryzen 5000 X3D parts.

[@FoxyCAMTV]

Thanks.....phew.

[@australienski6687]

4070 ti super already compromising settings? That's depressing.

[@oswaldjh]

@@australienski6687 It's the new engine UE5 that's giving our GPUs a hard time. They weren't as prolific when I bought my Ti Super. I needed to upgrade as the RX 6700 XT was starting to top out its 12GB VRAM in a few games

[@DMDMDM7]

that's why i disliked the video. hardware unboxed benchmark video is not worth watching anymore. especially when i skip and suddenly bottom part of the list is cut off. and doesn't show all the gpu that were tested.

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@australienski6687 Was getting 80fps+ at 4K with a 4070ti, so no not really.

[@chadwolf3840]

Damn this is amazing analysis. Great work guys.

[@kansisesi7631]

Is this an rtx 4000 advertisement? Why did you run rtx 4000 series with %66 dlss while running all other gpus with %75 fsr? I don't think %26 resolution difference is negligible.

[@maxstepaniuk4355]

Optimisation made in China.

[@andromaxi3797]

Bro... The thumbnail 😂

[@LutorKF]

Nvidia only game...

[@olirahaman9408]

The thumbnail got my attention. So perfectly matching.

[@rocstarang5747]

I've been waiting on this. Thanks fellas!

[@marcm.]

I hate frame generation. It always feels kind of muddy... Not the visuals but that's how I'm getting information, and I can't put my finger on why I think so. It drives me bonkers. It has to be extremely high framerate before I don't notice it, at which point why do I even have it... This is one feature I absolutely detest

[@pegcity4eva]

Because they are fake frames it's like that awful effect tvs all come with enabled that make everything look like a soap opera.

[@mr.electronx9036]

UE5: let's evolve backwards to 1080p 60fps gaming...with RTX 4090. 🤦‍♂

[@scarletspidernz]

Not UE5's fault that GPUS can't keep up with, if it weren't for UE5 we'd be still using UE4 for everything.

[@arnoldasm7300]

@@scarletspidernz you know there is more options.. like other good game engines. ue5 games is a shite as i see now with some games.i saw rtx 4090 benchmark of fortnite barbie doll graphics and its was avg 90fps with dlss q .. i mean its bad . another example senua hellblade 2.. its looks good when you walk but nothing else. its no interaction

[@WayStedYou]

Looks like they actually put their ultra settings for future gpus based on the jump between high and cinematic.

[@stanimir4197]

4090 barely manages 60fps at 4k at high settings, while entirely on rails and no sudden camera changes - 15:39

[@Ambiguousss]

Was waiting for this video, thanks!!

[@defyiant]

Thanks for the work. Can’t wait for the optimization guide for my 4080S

[@rambo9199]

Game only plays well on the most expensive GPU that 10% or less of players can afford..... well that was intelligent marketing wasn't it?

[@stanimir4197]

and by 10% afford, you mean sub 1% have. Afford is an awkward choice, e.g. I can trivially afford it, yet I don't think it is anywhere worth.

[@rambo9199]

@@stanimir4197 One has to try and stay at least a little optimistic hahaha

[@noobgamer4709]

More like another Nvidia tech demo to me

[@bingbong3084]

just dont turn on HW raytracing if you dont have very expensive gpu, base game still uses Lumen so basically youre getting Software raytracing at High settings that still looks great , and you get 60fps on rx6700, 3060ti at native resolution , so whats the problem ?

[@guotyr2502]

10% more like less than 1% afford a 4090, lol, even that isn't enough

[@zedit-te3lm]

legit funniest thumbnail from you guys LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@dubesor]

I just ran a few benchmarks, thanks for the info. I honestly do not see the appeal of RT. On max RT I think to myself "yea, looks good I guess" but for me its totally not worth such a gigantic performance decrease. My 7950X3D matched your 7800X3D btw, within 1-2 fps difference margin of error.

[@plamen5358]

Nice data as always, do you actually see any significant visual difference between medium/high/cinematic or RT med vs very high? The benchmark runs just fine at 4k (DLSS/TST 1080p) + FG even on old GPUs, I'm not sure why are we always pushing for the max (future proofed) presets. A lot of games don't release with these to avoid optimization backlash and years later they age much faster.

[@bmqww223]

buying a 2000 dolar nvidia gpu to play 4k medium settings 80 fps only 🤡🤡🤡

[@Gamer-q7v]

It's because of RT. Just switch it off, and you are good. Current gen hardware is not ready for RT.

[@Uthleber]

@@Gamer-q7v if you dont use RT, whats the point of having a 4090 ?! than i would grab a used 700 $ XTX

[@Gamer-q7v]

@@Uthleber RT and PT are notoriously demanding, and current gen hardware clearly doesn't have the processing power to handle PT properly without upscaling and frame gen. The 4080 and 4090 have smashed 4K gaming, even at native resolution with max settings without RT/PT. The 4090 is able to get 100+ FPS at native 4K max settings in the majority of rasterised games, which is impressive. Something that was impossible on the 3090. People tend to have a bad habit of looking at the worst-case scenario performance, which is native resolution at max settings with PT. The performance is obviously going to be low in that case regardless of the optimisation. People don't seem to understand how difficult it is to run large open world games that have a bunch of high-resolution textures and other fidelity effects. Especially when you factor in rendering techniques such as PT, where over multiple rays can be shot per pixel. The light can bounce off many surfaces on which the GPU has to do millions of calculations.

[@Uthleber]

@@Gamer-q7v i dont read all that lol.

[@fugitive6549]

@@Uthleber turn on dlss at 4k. DLSS is amazing, much better than FSR. Heck, Xess looks much better even. I have 7600 xt and always use Xess over FSR. FSR is too shimmery and blurry.

[@TheMaxAwesome]

This is just an ad for the upcoming Nvidia 50 series.

[@mr.electronx9036]

maybe. this game is just poorly optimized like all UE5 games. lazy devs

[@horseradishwithchives]

​@@mr.electronx9036wish more comments pointed out this simple observation rather than just monke

[@mc88dx]

I'm tired of other youtubers using thumbnails with faces looking constipated, this one is epic for being so subtle and seemless.

[@YuNherd]

steve not monkeying around this time. thanks for these segment steve really informative

[@Matticitt]

That's the best thumbnail I've ever seen

[@keanuchampion]

i get 7fps on my 3080ti fully maxed out lol

[@mitsuhh]

I get 33fps on 4080 fully maxed at 1440p

[@biodun.j]

@@mitsuhh

[@biodun.j]

@h0stile420 i have a 7700xt card, after seeing the results i just new i wont be playing this game. it is off my list🤣

[@mitsuhh]

@h0stile420 Sure, if you know nothing about rendering

[@mitsuhh]

@h0stile420 path tracing!