Black Ops 6's Saug 9mm Makes No Sense

[@irateoperator1074]

I think its a neat little artistic exercise. Taking a sci-fi design and trying to figure out what it might look like in a previous era/worldbuild the design's roots. Sorta like those "de-makes" people make for games like BloodbornePSX

[@befayedocrimes4751]

Would be cool - *if* they had actually put any thought into how it's supposed to operate. Kind of silly to do a thought exercise and then not even have it adhere to any real life design principal. At least decide if it's supposed to be closed or open bolt in operation lmao

[@PhillyThug]

I like how the guy says "it's a mystery why they didn't just make it a ruger" when the reason is literally explained at the start of the video, it being an older version of a BO4 gun

[@knrz2562]

@@befayedocrimes4751😂😅😢

[@Tonshiki_]

@@befayedocrimes4751 Provide one example of a part/function on the Saug that wouldn’t work on a real firearm. Y’all are beyond grasping at straws to hate and ignoring actual issues.

[@befayedocrimes4751]

@Tonshiki_ Did you watch the video? The bolt is closed on empty, yet the operator uses the bolt RELEASE to chamber a round. Calling out Treyarch for being goofy doesn't magically make all the other issues somehow less relevant.

[@jupitergaming5146]

Hot take: I like when devs make their own guns and if there was any past setting that creating a fictional gun would work in it would be Black Ops

[@ewelinanajgebauer8862]

Yes, fair. Though the issue is, you're not doing a fully fictional story here, an AKS74U is still an assault carbine(subcategory of assault rifle), not an SMG, no matter if you have a lore reason for it being called so or not.

[@thunderslug1066]

​@@ewelinanajgebauer8862 Which has been correctly designated as an Assault Rifle from MW22 and still is in Black Ops' version of Warzone. It's been 4 years since they got it wrong

[@RaccoonRabies]

@@ewelinanajgebauer8862 What you speak is true, but it isn’t necessary. The idea of having subcategories is an unnecessary addition since that just leaves more pressure on the devs to find suitable weapons that fit those subcategories that they “want” to design.

[@rdrrr]

@@ewelinanajgebauer8862 The AK was originally designated as a "submachinegun" by the USSR as it was considered to fill that role. The SKS filled the role of "rifle" It just later turned out that the AK was also better at being an infantry rifle than the SKS was As I recall the AKS-74u was also considered a "submachinegun". Just a matter of terminology being applied different in a different military doctrine. By Western doctrine we might considered the AKS-74u a "PDW"

[@rdrrr]

I thought Black Ops 1 struck a pretty good balance; plenty of weird/anachronistic Cold War guns, with just the thinnest veneer of plausibility. Only thing that _really_ bothered me was the weird flat-top upper on the "Commando". Should have just attached optics to the carry handle with an anachronistic gooseneck/claw mount

[@rookie4582]

What comical to me is the fact that the Tanto, a .22 WMR can kill in three shots while it takes other assault rifles 4-5 shots.

[@theescapeplan3876]

Game balance over realism. It fires slow as hell, making it deal piss poor damage would give you a weapon that’s about as shit as the kolibri from battlefield 1.

[@rookie4582]

@ More like real poor design choice. They could’ve have easily used at least a .45. Because the recoil is just super dumb.

[@frostsoul4199]

i always found that to be odd. they never use the real life aspects of guns to base their balance off of which makes it so players have to more or less waste their time to see what's good and what's bad rather than basing it off the weapons design.

[@Rashed1255]

@@theescapeplan3876The pistol chambered in the same round does the damage you described.

[@elephaux5671]

​@@rookie4582I don't see why it couldn't have been a Thompson or a MAC-10, would have made more sense for a 3-hit SMG.

[@formerwarthunderenjoyer1945]

Saug 9mm might’ve been made by a drunkard at Treyarch who attempted to make a Ruger MP9 and a Masterpiece Arms MPA, but once the drunkard was sober, he decided to model the rest of the gun after AEK-919

[@MrMysterious101]

Saug is based on a bo4 gun that doesn't exist in real life so its not any of those guns or a aek its a all original design made for the Black ops series of cod games.

[@formerwarthunderenjoyer1945]

@@MrMysterious101 Barely resembles Saug. Possibly they could’ve drawn inspiration from MSMC carbine, which only came into production in 2005

[@MrMysterious101]

@formerwarthunderenjoyer1945 well yeah it doesn't look the same because wanted to make it look like the saug had a older cold war model while in bo4 the saug has some futuristic feature while also being a African mass made weapon just like a the ak 47 meaning the saug we see in bo6 is the original while in bo4 its a more advance while being a mass produced gun just like AK in rela life.

[@formerwarthunderenjoyer1945]

@@MrMysterious101 is the Saug an African weapon? Just wondering. But I can agree with what you said, since BO6 is in an alternate timeline

[@MrMysterious101]

@formerwarthunderenjoyer1945 in bo4 it was in the description of the gun that it was a massed produced in Africa which is why in bo4 it had wood parts.

[@geesecouchtaming7223]

Of course they won't make sense, the problem here is expecting them to

[@michaelagustinsantos3015]

I wouldn't have as many gripes with this weapon had they made the bolt release make sense.

[@Spendingryan]

Should it be open bolt too? MW2 2022's Tek 9 or whatever, I always think of it as the gang machine pistol, that had an open bolt mechanism and functioned correctly right, oddly when Cold War's Tek 9 had the incorrect closed bolt firing mechanism.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

I wanna see a Dingo predecessor myself. You remember that BO3 LMG?

[@DanKozen]

@@Spendingryan closed bolt with a hammer. its a real gun called the ruger mp9

[@SkorpionDoorman]

To those asking, "Why did they de-make a futuristic weapon in the first place?" for the same reason the FAMAS is called the FFAR in Cold War. Treyarch likes all their CoD games to connect to each other, even if it's through de-making weapons from futuristic instalments and calling them "Predecessors".

[@anunnakiiscomming9810]

no its a bad design because the game was aI generated

[@Dumpaloo]

They don't wanna pay for gun licenses.

[@SkorpionDoorman]

@@anunnakiiscomming9810 Your joke is bad and you should feel bad.

[@SkorpionDoorman]

@@Dumpaloo "AK-74", "Model L", "AS Val", "AEK-973", & "SVD" keeping their names and most of their looks would like to have a word with you.

[@anunnakiiscomming9810]

@@SkorpionDoorman keep apologizing for your activision overlords, the whole game was driven by AI, youre the joke kid

[@HipsterKhan]

Treyarch’s design philosophy is “cool but weird” but, the devs are already too weird.

[@kemoni221]

I like the custom guns they came up with. Choosing alternate history 90's as the setting really fits Black Ops in my opinion, but some of the design choices are just baffling to me. We're missing a lot of those cool, cold war guns like the FAL and the G3, along with the Stoner 63 and other "black rifles", while the guns we have in the game are really misrepresented (case in point - AEK 973 and SG550). It was a really nice surprise to see new weapons in the Battle Pass, and I'm hopeful for the future of BO6's arsenal, even if it means that some people will choose to completely change the aesthetic of the game with flashy skins and visual effects.

[@thatguyusee7604]

They've definitely gone for a lot more experimental/unknown guns. The Goblin Mk2 is technically a FAL, just converted to bullpup. The Model L has similar design principles to the G3, just a different exterior and round. Would love to see a stoner variant return tho

[@popupheadlights]

​@thatguyusee7604 the game really is missing 308 battle rifles though, you are correct that the model L is roller delayed blowback but damn near every AR in the game is a 5.56×45mm with the exceptions being the goblin and ak74(5.45x39) I wanna see a couple. 308 ARs in the game I'd also like the fal to finally be full auto in cod and chambered in 308 big damage big recoil for it.

[@HeWhoTookADumpOnAPorcupine]

Yeah there’s a new weapon coming out today called the Maelstrom and it’s a shotgun based on the Pancor Jackhammer.

[@kemoni221]

@@popupheadlights Come to think of it, we still don’t have a SCAR-H equivalent in the game. A full-auto FAL or G3 would fill that niche nicely

[@popupheadlights]

@kemoni221 really those are the only two I can think off that fit with this game being in the 90s, I kinda look at the model L as the "scar" in the game being slower fire rate but harder hitting, still not seeing a nice fat 308 mag triggers me

[@uwize5897]

i forgot the exact situation but there was a lawsuit about advertising firearms to kids so cod will never have a real gun again

[@DanKozen]

ruger mp9 its real

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Expect hodge podge guns for the entire game's cycle

[@Jeffy78Eggster-o4u]

You're literally everywhere

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@Jeffy78Eggster-o4u yes

[@the_true_pepol]

​@@Jeffy78Eggster-o4ulook at his nickname lmao

[@yikes6758]

Peak

[@Just_Aether115]

You are on everything My man

[@weswolever7477]

I’d be worried about my left thumb

[@Neonite1305]

Cool gun

[@JumpOutChew6]

🎉

[@Imperia-official]

It was introduced in bo4. Which takes place in the 2040s.

[@kaiou155]

i think Cod studios are trying their best to not repeat any gun for Warzone

[@jessejan07]

I dont like that cod bo6 switched it up with having fake/ hybrid guns and vehicles (ie: the planes from the scorestreaks are alsof very weird hybrids). Previous cods had more somewhat realistic modeled guns/ vehicles, this year its just so weird….

[@SuicideSeason4545]

The SAUG is a weapon from BO4 so it predates BO6’s design philosophy. Anyhow, I’m not totally against it since it makes for cool what ifs but the frequency that day it for this game is wild.

[@manender1020]

MW3 was frogged already?.. This CoD doesn't attempt to be Advanced Warfare at least

[@arsenshulak4570]

Bo6 only has mp5 wired, but all other guns just okey

[@c3ntriism_period]

You can blame the good ol' California's laws for this, I guess?

[@Viper-dz2kw]

@@c3ntriism_periodhas nothing to do with that. This came up in a discussion recently and I did some research and came to the conclusion a lot of this can be traced back to Metal Of Honor: Warfighter getting in a lot of trouble with the government for their weapons being too realistic, and the army as a result discontinued collaborating with ANY game studio.

[@randomtslur]

It's meant to be this universe's version of the milkor bxp which has a fun story behind it, being effectively a loophole to get a Mac 11 in South Africa without going against new laws at the time the original gun being a modified mac 11 sold to milkor to mass produce. This gun is effectively what started south African look-alike guns. As for the extra bits that are changed, I actually really like it looking more like the saug from bo4 for continuity sakes.

[@atomgrav6861]

I see more ruger MP9 than BXP They are BOTH Mac 10 Derivatives mind you (basically the same gun)

[@randomtslur]

@atomgrav6861 the name in a bo4 concept art said "South African Ugly Gun" for SAUG so it's likely what they were going for, and it got a bit lost in translation, or they added so many other gun parts which made it look a bit different Like tbh the thumbhole is the only way I could see Ruger mp9 but that was on the bo4 saug so it'd be fair to say they looked for a gun from the era to add it, or it was always planned to be that way

[@atomgrav6861]

@ that’s what it stands for?? 🫠

[@Jayd888]

I don't mean to be offensive but why is it that I've seen many people with pride pfps that know a lot about guns lol

[@randomtslur]

@@Jayd888 Pfft fair, I don't know a whole lot about gun but they do interest me and the stories behind them are super interesting sometime.

[@manender1020]

If CoD had more stylised graphics I'd even say this one's guns are nice

[@aquapendulum]

1:11 What is he slapping the gun for? I don't see a bolt catch, and the bolt doesn't even move as a result of the slap. WHAT IS HE SLAPPING THE GUN FOR???

[@pleasanttoast3229]

To look cool

[@munanchoinc]

the notch at the upper receiver is the bolt release

[@Stuntman175]

There is sort of a button that's right above the ejection port, but on the opposite side of the upper receiver. You can see it clearly if you pause at 0:51, it's above the fire mode selector switch. Although, that does look like a sliding button, kinda like the blade release on a carpet knife. Even the notch looks like it opens up at the top to let the button move.

[@DanKozen]

its a closed bolt smg you have to slap the bolt catch like a mp5. gun is called ruger mp9

[@hightiernub1313]

The guns in this game all don't make sense when you realize that they magically lose 1 round when 1 is already chchambered in the barrel.

[@mteatone3181]

They literally made a Bethesda gun :))

[@DanKozen]

its a real gun they didnt make anything

[@mteatone3181]

@@DanKozen in term of realism, no they dont

[@skylerbenoit1103]

1:11 Yeah, how is the bolt release mechanism supposed to work? The most likely way this could work is if the weapon had a separate spring (or perhaps multiple springs) rigged for this specific function, cocked by the forward motion of the bolt; due to the law of conservation of energy, however, this mechanism would require at least two shots to properly compress, as otherwise the energy imparted by the re-cocking spring(s) would be less than that of the recoil spring, and would likely do little more than induce a jam. It could also theoretically use energy of the fired round to compress these springs, though that's pushing it just a bit. Also, there could be some potential possibilities that the mechanisms could be somewhat fragile, so theoretically, smacking a bolt release with THAT much force could result in the weapon jamming due to the bent mechanism of the magazine catch. It widely recommended that we GENTLY thumb the bolt release instead.

[@DanKozen]

closed bolt with a hammer. you reload with the breach open. Ruger mp9

[@NoNameTV.]

It makes sense because Santa Claus has magic

[@bingolos9063]

even the inspect animation seems confused

[@phazonlord0098]

I'm glad I was not the only one to be completely dumbfounded at wtf this was supposed to be even with my years being a veteran gun nut lol.

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

I think it’s kinda cool honestly. The bolt release really don’t make much sense but other than that, I’m okay with it.

[@ByakurenEnjoyer]

Honestly I'd take anything they throw at the game over them adding an actual MAC-10

[@emperornike]

gee i wonder why a fictional gun from black ops 4 makes no sense

[@DomanikHardy-oh8ji]

It’s simple cod devs don’t shoot guns and dont know how they work internally and they certain have never designed one

[@incompetencelogistics8924]

Apparently, SAUG stands for 'South African Ugly Gun' so this certainly tracks, but I think it's a cool idea that they've made a gun that shows up in the future have an predecessor that fits with its time period

[@sametekiz3709]

1:00 ouch.Seeing this after stalker guns is painfull.

[@kyles9937]

*THAT'S IT! I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE RUGER MP9!*

[@ARandomSpecOp]

I thought the saug from bo4 was supposed to be the gepard pdw. I guess this game said no...

[@Life_And_Things777]

Its the Gepard the Jackal PDW?

[@pepperkakespisern5531]

Remember the Maverick rifle from Ghosts? Pretty sick gun

[@st.paddymad7085]

I get to be Max Payne with the Akimbo attachment, so I ain’t complaining too much bout it.

[@TheProAtPUBG]

From ingame use, this smg has grown on me. I like it.

[@F1RST_BLUD1]

Sledgehammer and hell even iw should take notes from this

[@natecollins9331]

0:57, Same thing with FN FNC - SS1 hybrid or "Krig c" in the game ..

[@kaptenalex421]

idk why Treyarch not putting real gun smg like mini uzi Mac10 mat 49 colt 9mm or any real smg instead putting Goofy ahh weird smg like this

[@theescapeplan3876]

I think artistic freedom is nice if it’s like a one off kind of thing like with the Saug 9mm. BOCW kind of went overboard with the fictional weapons but not this game at least.

[@DanKozen]

its a real gun ruger mp9

[@SerialDesignatioN]

I love the mag throwing animation on empty reload

[@elitekiller8968]

I kinda like the designs in BO6 despite not being a fan of any of the Cod Cold War guns. For me, I only enjoy Cold War era weapons and older firearms completely accurate to the real-life version. MW2 2022, for me, has my favourite looking guns in modern cod. Even with the liberties they take, they still all look awesome. In a perfect world for me, all the guns in cod would be exactly the same as the real firearms, and I'll never understand why they have to change them.

[@BLGamesyt]

i really wished they stop trying making weird real life style guns and add trowback ones, like bo4 rampart, bo3 kn44

[@Ididitlikethis2079]

Asking Modern Call of Duty, for weapons that make sense is like asking McDonalds to make healthier food.

[@Tarnished-bn5gq]

According to IMFDB, it’s a mix of an AEK-919 and a Cobray M11/9. It’s still on par with CoD Vanguard weapons in terms of how cancerous its design is though.

[@Rashed1255]

IW being the opposite & having attention to gun detail makes me love them more.

[@TacTyger]

Bolt release ? Yes.

[@bobthelonghairedboi5425]

It especially made no sense in bo4 when the player slaps a bolt release....on an open bolt gun

[@DanKozen]

its a closed bolt smg Ruger mp9

[@bobthelonghairedboi5425]

@DanKozen in bo4 it was shown as an open bolt gun, in this game it makes sense to slap a bolt release but as i said, in bo4 the player slaps a bolt release on an open bolt gun

[@twopoint_owe]

You should do a video on the new Pancor Jackhammer they released, the carry handle is really small and looks like it came off of a neostead 2000.

[@tim_lys3715]

Fun fact: SAUG stands for South African Ugly Gun. Well that makes a lot of sense

[@guerrinlove69]

Its performance will be clear once the next battlepass guns arrive and its nerfed into oblivion

[@brexxy7369]

The Saug is a 90s version of BO4 Saug, isn’t based really on a real gun They just used one of their futuristic BO weapons and redesigned it to fit into the game Tada! Problem solved

[@DanKozen]

gun is a ruger mp9 designed by the guy who made the uzi

[@MrSNESwithMemes]

A tiny little detail, the name SAUG means South African Ugly Gun

[@superjesse645]

So they just took the MSMC handguard and flipped it around? Yeah okay.

[@danielmdax]

Saug Is supposed to mean super ugly gun or something like that, I think it's a bit intentional that it's cursed.

[@Lightcorvet]

It's just based off the saug from bo4

[@smileyr]

Just let infinity ward do all the guns for all cods because it seems that they are the only ones who can get them mostly right. There are plenty of mistakes infinity ward has made on some guns no doubt about that. But it seems like they are the only ones who put so much time and care into the guns

[@maydius2617]

I call it "skibidi-mac-10", even tho it's not really based on mac-10

[@grim_machy]

I am very grateful for your analysis, I would not know about the kinda firearms you mentioned otherwise (now I have some inspiration for research). On the other hand, you made my eyes bleed and I do not want to see any other CoD guns ever. The very last CoD game I enjoyed was Ghosts, so I had no idea it got this bad. Much appreciated.

[@ZombieSlayer-dj3wb]

Dei devs at it again

[@Presgamegaming]

I called it Mac 22s

[@vn20230]

cod stopped being realistic years ago just deal with the weird ahh weapons 🙏🙏

[@BLS31]

Hey, I'd take fiction inspired by real world items and events over a butchered attempt at storytelling in a non-fictional setting.

[@FriedMacNBeans]

Thats because its from bo4 just slapped with an "older" aesthetic . The saug is a pretty normal smg in the contetxt of that game . Also bo6 isnt even supposed to be remotely realistic anyway

[@KudoRedfox]

It looks fuckin' awful back then and it still is

[@Lavender_Fox]

"It's a mystery why they didn't just bother modelling the saug on the ruger MP9." Because it's.. not a ruger MP9? It's the predecessor to the saug 9mm from Black Ops 4, which in and of itself looks pretty old in that game.

[@Horgler]

Black Ops IIII is completely fake though. This takes place in the early 90s. Plenty of actual SMGs to choose from.

[@Dumpaloo]

This game is A.i generated

[@kaeroseon]

BO4 moment

[@paleoph6168]

Ah, so this is the hybrid SMG Shigeru Aoba uses in EOE.

[@Tonshiki_]

“Makes no sense” >proceeds to show that it’s perfectly functional Masterful gambit

[@Zath88]

That bolt release is far from functional. You cant release a bolt from empty when it was never held my the follower in magazine

[@Tonshiki_]

@ the M14 bolt release operates on the same principle, try again.

[@m4j0r3x]

We should give them a rest, if they depict realistic gun then it would be violating the law

[@munanchoinc]

No they won't. Both California and Copyright law generally can be avoided by simply changing the name or changing small details. Or using the military designation.

[@ryuzaki7.62]

DICE has a studio in LA (where that law should apply to them) that pretty much still works on BF games, concurrently 2042... which has mostly accurate gun models and mostly real or real-like designations, so as Munancho said... there's no need to fictionalise anything here. Just typical CoD shenanigans

[@NateBoiBoi]

Activision could easily get the rights for it, they just don't cuz it'll cut back on their profits

[@boogie1434]

​@@ryuzaki7.62the fall off for COD has been insane lmao it was known for variety and authentic military weapons now there's no variety and all the guns are fake or TEMU versions with goofy names.

[@silentcodm6029]

"How does this gun supposed to work?" Idk how about you just shut up and let us play with some fictional guns. The existing one in real life is boring and overused.

[@HeartLessGem_]

My like it

[@littlewordofgaybee]

Sorry for the hot take. But I personally don't care about realism, many classic CODs aren't as realistic as I remembered and at the end of the day, no matter how ugly it is, I still think it's cool. And I like that developers create their own weapons, not to mention the saug in bo4 was my favorite weapon so I'm glad it's back

[@Zath88]

treyarch and sledgehammer always consistently makes shity mock ups of real guns. The only cod dev team that seems to care remotely about gun details and accuracy is infinity ward at this point. Shit on MW2 all you want but their guns and inspect animations are too notch. Both in MW2 and MW19

[@KudoRedfox]

MW2 is the gold standard of realistic but also fictionalized/copyright friendly guns done right

[@veilside0nine]

who cares it looks cool

[@suzuzusu]

I care

[@veilside0nine]

@ lol ok

[@KudoRedfox]

It looks fuckin' awful so i care

[@cobaltcardsgaming5982]

@@veilside0nineI care too

[@alessgr9394]

YEAH XD, literally the proof that the old (GOOD) treyarch is gone, IIRC the smg from BO4 is a throwback to the MSMC, and now they do this absolute mess in BO6, this what happens when u hire new devs who dont give a fuck about what they work on

[@theescapeplan3876]

Funny, because this doesn’t prove shit.

[@ownhanagames5529]

nobody cares if the guns work or not

[@terrified057t4]

Everyone defending BO6 completely missing the point lol. We want AUTHENTIC firearms, not creative liberties.

[@Viper-dz2kw]

Tbh it kinda makes sense at this point. We’re one year away irl from BO2 and the world looks nothing like that. Subtle stuff like weapons in the 90’s diverging toward BO6 weapons platforms kinda does help imply that this is a different timeline where things advanced faster.

[@arifayip7389]

Ok, someone needs to ask JonathanFergusonKeeperofFirearmsandArtilleryattheRoyalArmories'MuseumintheUKWhichhousesacollectionofthousandsoficonicweaponsfromthroughouthistory about this firearm.

[@peter_griffith522]

Werid hiw people defend such lazy shit lmao, activision makes billions yet cod suckers defend their shitty new direction. No standards modern gamers are pathetic.

[@yikes6758]

I love when they make up new guns man. Idk why there's so much hate on them for it

[@theescapeplan3876]

Because people just love to hate. As far as I am aware it is trendy and cool to hate on the COD devs for simply just breathing.

[@Horgler]

Because it's an era of history where there are already a plentiful amount of actual guns to choose from that would be interesting to see. Just like you love new fictional guns, people love seeing things that are appropriate for the setting, and there's a time and a place for each. Futuristic CoDs can and should have interesting and new designs because it makes sense, but modern and past time periods should be respected for what they are.

[@theescapeplan3876]

@@Horgler I personally think that a one-off kind of fictional weapon is ok. Not something like Black Ops Cold War has done where half of the base SMG category was fictional.

[@yikes6758]

@Horgler there are a million other games with a historical focus.