Black Panther: 5 Years Later Review

[@realdjglurpiamreal]

This is a such a great idea for a series Dan. I’d love to keep seeing more

[@briannajazmin7144]

came to say this!

[@Amoraszune]

I agree, but please don’t do The Force Awakens…

[@rmarkley79]

Totally agree, looking forward to more of these Dan!

[@backpackerraden6268]

Sounds like a good idea for a series. Can't wait for the Hereditary re-review where every five minutes it's "Toni Collette got snubbed"

[@teruphoto]

Love this idea Dan. Perspectives can change so much over time, doubly so with serialized movies like the MCU.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

I remember watching this movie like it was yesterday. My sister, my baby brother and I saw the movie in the theater the first Tuesday after it came out. I remember seeing Black families in full African clothing, being proud to see Black moviegoers come out in droves to see this movie. To me, it's still one of the top-tier MCU films ever made. The world of Wakanda was (and still is) beautiful to look at. The supporting characters (i.e. Okoye, Shuri, Queen Ramonda & M'Baku) are just as phenomenal as the main leads. But, to me, the performances of the late Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa/Black Panther and the dynamic Michael B. Jordan as Killmonger were so captivating to watch, especially Killmonger. The story surrounding them were as deep and rich as any other drama. Hell, the cameo of Killmonger in the next movie was so good, because of how Jordan played that role. I seriously hope he returns (via the Ancestral Plane) for the 3rd movie. Looking back now, the 3rd act and final battle wasn't as good as what came before, but I think the core story was so good that I didn't really mind the 3rd act. With the follow-up known as "Wakanda Forever", it's ironic that the 3rd act in that film is a little better. It's really sad that we lost Chadwick, but I'm grateful for what he gave us as T'Challa in the short time we had him in the MCU. God rest his soul. #RIPChadwickBoseman

[@Fuuntag]

Chadwick was one of those few individuals who held up to critical analysis personally and professionally the more you looked at him. Unlike others who disappoint on closer inspection, he drew you in and compelled you to know more as his qualities became even more apparent. ❤

[@shanetaylor761]

Preach

[@jbearclowater]

When you realize he was visiting kids in cancer wards and brightening their days while he himself was battling the disease, it's impossible not to have the utmost respect for him, in my opinion.

[@arthand7672]

@@jbearclowater agreed. These stories mean so much to people, especially kids. And there are so many kids out there suffering. It takes as little as a visit to brighten someone's day and knowing he did everything he could to brighten the days of as many sick kids as he could while literally dying makes me wish that more actors did it.

[@dereksmith5343]

This is such a healthy exercise!! People feel the need to stand by their old opinions to the point that they wont allow themselves to evolve or adapt

[@JeffHanke]

I'm digging this format and looking forward to the next one!

[@JosephBKora]

I like the idea of this series. Looking forward to more of them!

[@lukask5208]

I love this idea Dan. Revisiting films is so important because opinions can change, moods can change, times change. It would be so hard to be a critic because you guys are set at a higher standard because your thoughts and opinions have to be set in stone and unwavering, and sometimes that's not the case. Sometimes I know for me if I'm in a funk or not in the right mindset that doesn't give a film a fair chance and it warrants maybe a second viewing.

[@heatheraggus7501]

I agree. Although I try not to let changing times sway my opinion too much and judge a movie's merits on when it was made. Not always easy to do though.

[@Himynameismatt9]

Absolutely love this idea!

[@Lupin788]

Thanks for an insightful look back, Dan. Black Panther is one of a handful of films that I've willingly bought tickets to see multiple times in the cinema. If you're going to re-visit other reviews from your SJ days, perhaps you might consider inviting some of the folks who did the reviews with you back then to ask about what they think about the films now.

[@ntcnetwork9934]

I really liked it when I first saw it, saw it multiple times in theaters, but coming back to this movie a few months ago before WF, I loveeeee this movie now.

[@Chugargonfan]

How?

[@ntcnetwork9934]

@@Chugargonfan cause it’s awesomeeee (to me, it’s fine if it not’s to you, subjectivity and different tastes and all that).

[@Chugargonfan]

@@ntcnetwork9934 I suppose. Very true. But I’ll phrase my question less antagonistically with the promise not to try to convince you otherwise. What about black panther do you find awesome. I would like to hear opinions that support it

[@Liversh0t]

Love this, opinions on films evolve over time

[@Revdrum]

Definitely need a TLJ revisit. I remember all of the anxiety the SJ crew would experience when it was brought up 😂

[@titanguy7316]

I still love that movie. It's flawed in the Canto Bight section, and some of the Poe/Holdo stuff runs too long, but overall all of the important beats still work for me.

[@stormtraitor6545]

I still like the film. It’s messy and flawed, but let’s be honest, so is ‘Return of the Jedi’.

[@jacobgresham7180]

@@stormtraitor6545 For me, TLJ is literally the modern Return of the Jedi. Whenever it focuses on Jedi/Sith stuff, it's Star Wars at its absolute peak. Whenever it cuts to something else, though, the quality fluctuates A LOT. Still, I like the movie a lot, way better than whatever Episode IX was.

[@chakkra69]

That is one of very few movies that make me genuinely angry when I remembered them; Terminator Dark Fate and The Predator (2018) are the other two.

[@daisyblossomflowerchild9702]

This five years later review concept is very interesting. I like the idea of you looking back at what you thought then and comparing & contrasting that to how you feel about the movie now. I cannot wait to this series' next entry. :)

[@TVandManga]

Brilliant start to a series I'm now really anticipating!

[@lalunafate]

Great retrospective. I really enjoyed this style of content from you and look forward to more!

[@edenrosenberg6068]

I love this video idea, our thoughts and perspectives constantly change and it's interesting to see what you think now

[@jbearclowater]

Love this idea for a series Dan. I find my opinions on certain films shift a lot, so it's interesting to see how someone who looks at these things critically for a living has their opinions shift over time as well.

[@AllInTheGame01]

To the inevitable complaints about the 3rd Act VFX issues, bear in mind that Ragnarok, BP, Ant-Man & The Wasp and Infinity War were all in production at the same time, and BP simply ended up getting short-changed in terms of the amount of time its VFX teams got to work on the movie relative to those other 3 movies! We've since found out about the immense pressure VFX Artists are under especially by Marvel Studios and BP was one of its early victims in that regard!

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

That's still on the studio for not keeping those FX up to stuff, not putting their money where their mouth was. All we can judge is the final project on display, not make excuses for whatever occurred behind the scenes. More to the point, my primary complaint with BP's conclusion is not its lackluster FX (most of its FX were quite mediocre, in fact), but rather how it forsook the melodramatic politicking of the previous two acts; it descended into generic MCU "everybody fights(!)"-mode when it could've transcended that.

[@AllInTheGame01]

@@CMontgomeryBurns09 I mean I literally named Marvel Studios as the reason for that issue! There's a BTS clip online of Producer Nate Moore talking about how Coogler was ready to scrap that final act and immediately start prepping a smaller, more intimate, practical & visceral replacement when made aware that the VFX was unlikely to be ready, but he ended up being overruled by the head honchos who unfortunately wanted big spectacle instead!

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

@@AllInTheGame01 Yeah, well, that sounds like Marvel. *shrugs*

[@kamichan127]

This is awesome Dan! I even remember watching your old take on screen junkies !

[@forg9780]

Would love to see you continue these!

[@Prodigalzson]

Dan, I have a mild disagreement with one topic. Who "should" become the Black Panther is irrelevant to the discussion in Wakanda Forever. There is is no discussion because there is NO herb to take. Shuri is the only one who can re-create the herb, Shuri has the Talokan bracelet, she is the one who lost her mother and she is the one out for revenge. She said very clearly that she wasnt interested in recreating the "mantel" of the Black Panther. I get why people want a different Black Panther. If I'm being honest, I did too. However, the idea that the movie should have had some sort of discussion about it, in not consistent with the story that was being told. Now that there is herb growing in Wakanda again, that may be a subject for future stories, but in Wakanda Forever, that didn't make sense. Overall though, I love the idea of looking back and seeing how things have settled with you and what perspective you can have on it now.

[@somuchnope2]

I'd love to see more retrospectives like this!

[@jamiegagnon7986]

Looking forward to more of this series!! Loved this idea.

[@riroumtl8276]

Such a great idea for a series, Dan! Yay!!!

[@TheFreakygirl27]

I've been wanting to get a VPN for a while and you are one of my favorite channels so the fact that I can support you and also protect my browsing is a treat. ^^

[@motherplayer]

I'm of a similar view of this as I am with the first "Avatar" film in that it has relied more on it's hype than anything. It is most certainly a nice film with some solid performances, but it's still an MCU film for me at the end of the day, and thus, hard to really enjoy the events in a film that can go back and forth between meaning anything or being changed on a dime. And now the context of how much they were putting on themselves is a reminder that the VFX issue existed way before, it just particularly came to a head with Love and Thunder.

[@brannondunlap3408]

This such a fascinating idea. This video is amazing and I hope to see more of these in the future.

[@kylel7176]

I’d love to see more of these. I think Black Panther is the prime example of you don’t always have to do something new if you do it really well. BP follows the hero’s journey and the basic superhero template very closely but it does it so well that it feels fresh and interesting. I think that is part of why the stumbles as much as it does.

[@roscoe9428]

great idea for a series and Dan never disappoints!!

[@wiggedmite6275]

Definitely would like a revisit to The Last Jedi, especially after Rise of Skywalker doing such an about turn! Great concept for show and ties in well to your disclaimers before doing a "ranking" video, where everything is subjective.

[@_jolie_]

oooh really liking this new concept

[@nicbaldwin1865]

Love a good revisit. Time can totally change how we interact with and think about a film

[@t-dog577]

I really miss “All my Movies”.

[@ApexPredator644]

I was in the rewatching phase of charts including Black Panther run, crazy timing.

[@Amoraszune]

Perhaps not a thing, but I think it’s also poignant to realise that Chadwick Boseman knew he was sick when he filmed this and knowledge of this may or may not have given his performance some finality and/or subtlety.

[@truboss9470]

We need a Dark Knight 15 Anniversary Review🗣️‼️

[@nms7872]

Tracking this movie's box office was insane. It just kept on overperforming.

[@Janootz]

I wouldn't mind if Dan did a breakdown of the entire Sequel Trilogy, even if it is a bit early for TRoS

[@siriusgray]

I’ve come to learn that all Dan content is good content. The man never misses!

[@aloysiusmaina2625]

Any thoughts on how accurate the portrayal of African culture was in Black Panther? As a Kenyan, I found many generalisations that were quite frankly, insulting. It colored my view of the movie and made it hard to appreciate. Nonetheless, I do agree that Killmonger was one of the most impressive movie villains I have ever seen and it is a pity he was killed off. And of course, we all miss Boseman. May he rest 🙏 in peace.

[@tammygant4216]

Love this new series. I hope it will include a mix of serialized and stand alone movies. I think the serialized movies will always be impacted by the movies that came after your review--and that's interesting. But it would also be interesting to see how reviews and opinions change on movies that had no new story input to shape your opinion--meaning they will be reexamined based solely on how the world and the reviewer have changed since the movie came out. Not sure if that makes sense outside my head, but the bottom line is I'm looking forward to the series and I'm here for any movie you go back and review 5 (or more) years later. All the best, tg

[@anthonystewart3915]

Great series idea

[@jrod112278]

Great idea for a series. Could also do a 10, 15, and 20 years later as well.

[@ryanmatthews7405]

For me it was the score and world of Wakanda that propelled it in my mind. The story and characters were good, slightly above avg for MCU but the world building was better than most MCU films for me. Ludwig’s score was amazing.

[@robertgoyette5863]

it would be cool if you brought back the people you originally reviewed it w/ for their new take too

[@realjohnlove]

2:05 since the last 5 years, Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home all came out so yeah having it top 5 when others have edged it out now makes sense in the changed ranking

[@needleknight]

Dan, I think seeing review comparisons for movies where you opinion has changed would be more engaging than review comparisons that are purely based on 5 years regardless of whether your opinion changed at all. But I always look forward to any content you put out!

[@katevand]

I love Black Panther, love the story and the characters and the world Ryan and his team created. We are blessed to be alive the same time as Ryan Coogler

[@kimojio]

Awesome idea for a series! Great way to look back at your time at Screen Junkies/Fandom as well. Personally my opinion on the The Last Jedi especially has evolved over the years, so I’m looking forward to that video! :)

[@SS-st5vf]

I really enjoyed this movie. I watched it in theaters with one of my good friends. The theater experience was incredible. It was a moment in cinema history and it definitely lived up to that moment. However, there are things that I thought could have been better. The contrast between Tchalla and Killmonger for instance. The problem that Killmongers character identifies in the movie was valid, but the way that he went about trying to solve it and his demeanor paled in comparison to Tchalla's portrayal. In my personal opinion, Killmonger felt like an angry child/teen trying to lash out and burn the world down for the injustices in his life. It felt like I was watching an angry child trying to argue with a grown adult (Tchalla). It just didn't seem like a fight between equals, which I thought was unfair to Killmongers character. I felt like Killmonger needed more of his father's gravitas?, maturity? Just my personal opinion. Overall a great movie. What do you guys think?

[@JC222]

The contrast is supposed to make you feel like that. Its intentional, so its done perfectly. Killmonger is a manifestation of the built up, often suppressed ragewhen it comes to the injustice we face.

[@kingofthesharks]

I feel like most MCU films, black panther included, work 5x better in theaters with a crowd. The quips, inside jokes/references, Ludwig's music, and triumphant moments are naturally elevated by the pop-culture theatrical experience. I rewatched BP after Chadwick passed at home on my HDTV, and while the quiet moments involving ancestors/family are still poignant, the rest of the film's moments just don't feel remotely the same. Of course that's also due to the difference in 1st-time vs 2nd-time viewing.

[@laurenmasters]

It’s settled in my top 16 marvel movies, Boseman and killmonger are the best parts. And the world of wakanda. No I not going to go all get out and say “I voted for black Panther for best mcu movie if I could” but it’s a 8.5/10 for me

[@javiersp15]

I found the movie overrated when I say it first week in cinema and I feel the same today. The character however was much better in the avengers' movies.

[@hrithikd1310]

As far as i remember, i didn't like this movie. Recently watched the sequel & to my surprise, liked it a lot. It's a bit messy but i enjoyed it much more than the first movie.

[@AnyRoadRichard]

Once again spending 30 minutes watching a video about a movie I haven't seen just because Dan is doing it.

[@TheCinemaniac]

This is an interesting idea. It’s especially interesting to see this treatment for certain films that got a lot of attention due to some factors that don’t directly relate to the quality of the film itself (like new technologies used in the making of the film etc.) or raised a lot of emotion at the time of release. Biggest examples I can think would be Black Panther but also films like Avatar, Captain Marvel, 2016 Ghostbusters and Star Wars sequels. Personally, I watched Black Panther for the first time a year or two after it came out and while I liked the film quite a bit, I felt and still feel like it was a bit overhyped for various reasons at the time. It certainly wasn’t worthy of a Best Picture Oscar nomination like some people absurdly claimed at the time. Only comic book/superhero movies that might be worthy of such consideration are The Dark Knight, Joker and Logan. And even with those I’m not sure if I’d go that far.

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

TDK and Logan, and maybe some of the less popular, more auteur-driven flicks like Hellboy, Unbreakable, Watchmen, etc.... everyone always forgets about those.

[@titanguy7316]

I'd say all those, plus Spider-Man 2.

[@billg3356]

I wanted to like this movie, but I just couldn't get into it. Way too much CGI. I don't know if they just rushed the renderings to make the release date, but it just looked like a poorly animated cartoon to me.

[@terrymcginnis01]

I rewatched it a few days ago and loved it even more.

[@noahmagana137]

Black panther still holds up five years later and it’ll still hold up for the next five years

[@HeadCannonPrime]

THIS is why comicbook fans collect and go back and read OLD COMICS. Being able to digest the story a second time from a future perspective often makes the story even more grand.

[@joannecava2418]

Please do more of these

[@bySterling]

Man a 25 min video on this… only cuz dig ya Dan 100!

[@MrBlue3rd]

I think my big complaint is people saying it's the First Marvel movie with a black actor in the lead but seem to forget the Blade Trilogy.

[@DanMurrellMovies]

I guess there'd have to be a follow-up for anyone who says that. A lot of people use 'Marvel' to mean MCU. But if they mean Marvel as an overall brand, yes, Wesley Snipes deserves the credit.

[@mrbean3470]

It was a solid movie. The hype about it at the time was a bit much, IMO. But I enjoyed it on opening night. Have watched it a couple times since then.

[@Rrgblitz403]

Is this series going to come back?

[@t.c.soares2254]

Great series idea Dan... Maybe expand the range to 5-20 yrs ago... Thanks for the content

[@hridi_]

i would love to hear your thoughts on Rogue One. That movie deserved better

[@RoseRamblesYT]

I'd definitely love to see more from this series, Dan. Without going on a long spiel, my own thoughts have changed as well on Black Panther. While I still enjoy the movie, I don't think I enjoy it quite as much as I did when it came out, mainly because of some plot issues, character issues, well- fundamental things like that.

[@war352]

I like this idea... What about a re-review when a movie hits streaming, too?

[@papel_pe]

I really like this blast to the past idea of reviews! A suggestion In a cheeky way... Jurassic World.

[@heatheraggus7501]

Richard E Grant in Can You Ever Forgive Me? Was definitely Oscar worthy!

[@viperstrike1221]

Just wanted to say I love this idea.

[@sebagonzalezmusic]

Oh how I wish Boseman was still with us. We would’ve gotten a Black Panther sequel in which T’Challa has to deal with the negative consequences (some he never could’ve foreseen) of revealing Wakanda to the world. All whilst becoming king again (after 5 years of being snapped), an international political figure, (maybe) a father. And has to deal with Namor whom they had no idea existed and was affected by their revelation to the world. Possibly making him and Nakia doubt if he did the right thing in revealing themselves or not. It would’ve made such a fascinating story and character study of T’Challa and the Black Panther.

[@hamilpatel4025]

great video series idea. Time really does change things, I didn't like Encanto when I saw it first, now I have no idea why because it is one of my favorite Disney movies.

[@AtticusHimself]

Hey Dan, Good video idea, one I enjoyed a lot Maybe you could title it something like "Reacting to my first impressions of Black Panther" or something like that, would be more clickable

[@andrewrayman9238]

I really think this is a great idea. I don't think you should limit yourself to only 5 years later though. Anything you want to revisit should be on the table. The 2 you mentioned in particular will be interesting to hear your changed thoughts.

[@metalandmagi6486]

I'm probably the only one who'd be interested in seeing a 5 years later review for The Last Jedi (okay, it's just a little bit past 5 years). With such a divisive movie, I'd love to see if any of your opinions have changed, especially with The Rise of Skywalker in the mix. I live for the chaos 😆

[@me45116]

Great series! Will you also consider your honest trailer thoughts?

[@noahsmith5719]

Absolutely add Oscar renominations and winners (five years later) to this series idea please!

[@AllmondISP]

I'll be waiting for Hereditary, Dan. It just a matter of a few months.

[@bold1066]

I like this video and the idea behind it. If you do dare to go back to Last Jedi, it would be great to do all three movies and thoughts about the trilogy as a whole.

[@harryeast95]

Would you consider doing a retrospective Oscars as a sort of "season finale" for this series? at least for Best Picture and the acting categories?

[@micpan92]

6:13 That explains why some thought Wakanda Forever would outperform the 1st one.

[@kylefukumoto5811]

Movies from 5 years ago, 2018; Wonder Woman, Searching (would be great paired with Missing), Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Aquaman, Ant-Man and the Wasp (especially with Quantumania around the corner), Deadpool 2, A Quiet Place, Avengers: Infinity War, Incredibles 2, Sicario: Day of the Soldado, Venom, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Bumblebee.

[@tuvyamaeir4684]

The biggest issue with the first film is that for as good as Chadwick was...the script basically turned him into someone who has to be told what his worldview is every major plot point. And that problem was transferred onto Letitia in the second. It really squandered a lot of potential for both as they felt less like characters and more like vehicles other characters use to drive the plot from scene to scene. It's a high B-tier kind of film for me, one I can put on and enjoy at any time but not one I'd ever call one of the greats. The hype for this film was understandable but it got put on FAR too high of a pedestal from the moment it was announced, which continued all the way through the release of the sequel, which hasn't been a very healthy trend. Its Oscar nominations were a mix of deserved and undeserved, and given Infinity War was also right there with basically no recognition...it was a weird time. And in that regard, even as emotions cooled, I find myself feeling the same way now as I did then.

[@DazzOne2012]

Damn I'm getting old.

[@luxurybuzz3681]

I'm getting younger as I go along

[@marvesrivas307]

It’s been longer than 5 years (as crazy it is to believe) but the Nice Guys is one that I would love to hear your opinions on.

[@heatheraggus7501]

This is a great idea for a series. 👏 Sometimes movies, like songs, become overplayed and memed and I think that can sour opinion of them, unfortunately. For instance, Back to the Future is amazing but I just don't care to watch it now.

[@scottfw1193]

I'd love more re-evaluations, Dan. As a black filmmaker/cinemagoer who watched BP opening night in a packed cinema, for me WF threw away all the kudos accrued to BP 😢. I'd love your 5+ years takes on the Matrix movies: disliked original with a passion as just thought it was derivative rip-off of better sources. But have really grown to admire the story beneath. Still love Reloaded. Hated Revolutions, though am warming. Enjoyed first act meta parts of Resurrections; the action sequences were awful. Please don't do Titanic or other obvious clickbait movies

[@DanMurrellMovies]

It would have to be constrained to a movie I reviewed on air, and those don’t really start until 2016. So I can’t really go back too far.

[@binkle76]

Really cool idea. Reviewing things in near hindsight is actually a treasure trove that hasn't really been explored in real-time... usually only after the fact of a TV or movie series has ended and as part of some anniversary retrospective also #STLCardinals

[@binkle76]

Rather, re-reviewing by aggregate... that's basically the structure here... its a nifty idea, and I like how it allows the reviewer to evolve and/or double down...

[@binkle76]

also, again #STLCardinals

[@AustinIsTheGreatest]

Nice STL hat

[@9933miguelangel]

You gotta invite Roth for your re-review of The Last Jedi!!

[@DanMurrellMovies]

She's not really in the space anymore and is doing her own thing. But it will be fun to revisit that review, I remember it being a very conflicted one from both of us.

[@Amoraszune]

I’d love to hear your re-thoughts on Interstellar, although you’ve probably rechecked that a few times already.

[@kritichaplot5025]

I think the reason shuri was the guinea pig to take the synthetic herb was that a) it may not have worked, b) shuri wasn't going to discuss this with anyone since she wanted to be black panther to get revenge. The thing is that if there has been a larger discussion on who takes the synthetic herb, the council and specially mbaku and nakia would have voted against shuri taking the herb. As good as that discussion scene would have been, shuri would not have become black panther after that

[@allen604]

Let's revisit again in another 5 years.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

The REALLY needed T'Challa for the sequel amd someone as distinguished as Chadwick Boseman to play against Namor

[@masscamber]

Can't agree at all your dismissal of Richard E. Grant. Great performance, superior to Jordan.

[@gotf]

I think one of the best parts of Wakanda Forever for me was having them close their borders back up against the world. As a black person, viewing the first film I was able to empathize with many aspects of where Killmonger was coming from, it almost felt like the ending of the first film wanted to whitewash his message. They set it up under the guise of T'Challa learning from Killmonger, but in actuality Killmonger's message had nothing to do with simply borders. It was arming and protecting black people all over the world. So I feel like on some level Coogler knew that which is why he retconned that part of the story and added the more believable part where other countries would manipulate, steal, and kill for Wakanda's resources.