Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Spoiler Review!

[@candlesandcarnage]

The movie made a great case for M'Baku being king of wakanda. Great leadership, a voice of reason, a fighter, someone that the current black panther may seek for counsel, and BP seems to respect him.

[@thembanitheone]

Precisely.

[@garrettcarter5622]

Too bad he’s barely in the movie.

[@MiniLemmy]

Doesn’t fit the agenda….

[@prodbyluis7693]

@@MiniLemmy bro please seek employment

[@eyesofthefox]

Agreed. And they set it up through the whole film, he was always talking about the effect things were having on the people. He truly was acting as their direct voice to Shuri.

[@tendibee]

That Killmonger and Shuri scene was a surprise but then immediately made sense. It's kind of a point of grief they share but also Killmonger was a great symbol of who Shuri shouldn't become. The Ramonda and Okoye scene was such a tough watch cause both are such great loveable characters to see them at odds in the moment was hard.

[@TechnicalTyler]

Interpreting differently , killmonger was and sorta is right. By the end of the movie this still points towards conflict that is unavoidable.

[@emanueljackson1728]

Not a surprise if you think about it. Michael B Jordan is still alive so of course there going to use him for the ancestry symbol scene.

[@almanac520]

I thought it was super predictable, just like the mid-credits child reveal was. I watch a lot of movies, and I'm an adult, so I may be little biased.

[@christopherjove7035]

I agree with you on the Ramonda and Okoye scene. I love both of them and I was feeling so conflicted in that moment cause it’s like…on one hand I understand Ramonda’s decision but at the same time I feel like Okoye wasn’t entirely at fault. Hard watch but I still love them both, they were enjoyable to watch.

[@allosanthrwpos542]

Huge missed opportunity- t’tsalla should have appeared there and make the whole audience cry their hearts out !

[@lildballin86]

The silent opening of Chadwick and T’Challa everyone in the theater was sniffling and quiet sobbing

[@katevand]

just the wind

[@almanac520]

Yeah, no one cried in my theatre. The silent MCU intro just made me hear chewing, and rattling candy bags more. A few people left early, man this movie was too long and unfocused.

[@Erawk]

did the heartless bastards running the theater turn on the lights almost immediately after the mid credits scene, causing everyone to hurriedly dry their eyes like at mine?

[@SilaBahr]

@@Erawk yes the fuck they did, I felt violated af

[@Erawk]

@@SilaBahr bastards.

[@duvan.deschain]

I just want to say Tenoch Huerta did a PHENOMENAL job as Namor. His performance was top notch, truly a welcome addition to the MCU.

[@marcuslobo5765]

I agree wholly. Love his addition to the roster

[@elizabethshannon5477]

Absolutely! He was powerful, menacing while vunerable and empathetic. Great job, Tenoch!

[@willbontrager6209]

Yeah OMG. And so in shape too

[@Tzgrey77]

I can't wait for him to flirt with Sue Storm

[@RJ-Ramen]

It’s poetic having Shuri go through being consumed by vengeance the same way her brother did in Civil War. Great parallel arc. Kudos to Coogler.

[@noahsryan]

While I agree Riri felt shoehorned in to set up Ironheart much like Spiderman in civil war, I think she also served the purpose of fulfilling T’Challa character growth in the last movie or reaching out and helping the world with his outreach center to Oakland. Bringing in someone from America who didn’t get to benefit from Wakanda. Like killmonger wanted but in a much better way. Like what Nakia was doing in Haiti. Just felt like Shuri continuing what T’Challa wanted even if it wasn’t intentional at first.

[@suezcontours6653]

I think they did that but having her be MIT she can interact with MJ and Ned on her show.

[@StueNever]

Wakanda Forever is my fave Marvel movie since No Way Home. Teared up a little when Shuri was introduced to her estranged nephew. After recently losing so much of her family, it was nice to finally see she has an addition.

[@eme.261]

My friend and I watched it in IMAX early this morning. We both live in NYC. I'm Jamaican and he is Dominican and the movie moved us deeply. We both cried during the beginning, middle and end. I've never seen my friend so emotional. We agreed that we enjoyed it immensely. Yes, a lot was going on, but none of it detracted from the overall film, for us. Ryan Coogler knows how to deliver powerful messages, regardless of the genre he's working in. He is a gift of a director.

[@VonJay]

Jamaican male here living in Miami. I cried through most of the movie lol. I enjoyed watching a Hispanic given a pivotal role, especially with Mexican history included. But yeah, cried so much it felt like a spiritual cleanse by the end of it.

[@tommymack4677]

They purposely played on your emotions

[@almanac520]

I think trying to parallel real life in the movie, sacrificed the quality of this movie. It was unfocused and boring. This is the first MCU movie I almost fell asleep, since Eternals. To be honest, this cheesy attempt to pull heartstrings made me feel even less emotional. This movie is in my bottom 3 MCU movies.

[@eme.261]

​@@tommymack4677 = "They purposely played on your emotions." Ya don't say.... You wrote that as though it was something I should have found bothersome. I was very grateful for the movie. It allowed for a long overdue emotional catharsis after a sh*tty 2+ years. Yes, we lost Chadwick, but so much more has been lost to us-- friends/family/jobs/a feeling of assurance we'd taken for granted before March 2020. My friend lost both of his parents in the span of 2 months, and he and I, as well as a few other strangers in the movie theater, agreed that we appreciated the movie for how masterfully it took us through the stages of grief, acceptance and hope. Some people will be bothered and underwhelmed by the unapologetically emotional nature of the movie. I suspect these are people who shy away from feelings of vulnerability. They could potentially lack empathy or suffer from emotional detachment to a mild or severe degree. If that's the case, there are so many others movies out there that will satiate them. Those who do appreciate Wakanda Forever have it and that's a beautiful thing.

[@tommymack4677]

@@almanac520 the first one wasn't that good. It had a feminist push

[@AggToaster]

I agree with your review, I do think one thing I liked about this film more than other recent stuff was it felt less goofball than recent things. It was refreshing to have serious characters, emotions and themes back for a change and I hope there is a lot more of that in the future.

[@PlatinumPaladin]

They still tried to sneak some of it in though. It's gotten to the point where they're going out of their way to put a joke or quip in. It's like a disease that means they can't help themselves.

[@AggToaster]

@@PlatinumPaladin in small amounts it works tho. Some humour is good, when every 3 seconds someone quips then it's an issue

[@PlatinumPaladin]

@@AggToaster It's not about the amount, it's about the timing of a joke. A moment in Wakanda Forever was when Shuri had just drunk from the heart-shaped herb and realised it had worked, and Riri says something like 'I'll take some of that.' It's meant to be a moment of profound accomplishment, and yet they had to try and squeeze in a wise crack which didn't contribute anything. Another moment that really annoys me is in Eternals, when the group tell Gilgamesh that Ajak was dead. It's meant to be some deeply emotional moment for them all, and yet they interrupt the moment with Gilgamesh's pie crust falling to the floor. What the f***?! What emotions do they want us to feel in these moments, because all I'm getting from them is emotional whiplash.

[@AggToaster]

I actually found that joke funny in wakanda so 🤷‍♂️

[@UnboxingAlyss]

I agree with this. There was still humor, but it was better-placed. You need sosm humor, or the movie will get too depressing. At the same time, Marvel's normal formula of cracking jokes every 5 minutes wouldn't work here. I think they reached a good balance. I also part of Riri's character was to insert said jokes. That was more on Shuri in BP, but that would be wildly out of place now.

[@michaelnally2841]

I think us all wanting more M’Baku is probably the best complaint we can have with his character especially given how his character is in the comics.

[@a.block.of.tofu.]

I agree with ironheart and especially the Ross stuff not being necessary, feels like Coogler was forced to include them. Namor, Queen Ramunda and M'baku stole the show for me but Leticia Wright I thought really stepped up and I liked what they did overall with Shari's journey.

[@suezcontours6653]

Well, you needed the token white guy to make the white people look good since this leans heavily on "colonization" themes.

[@Bdavis2475]

I loved iron heart. Ross not so much

[@a.block.of.tofu.]

@@Bdavis2475 I didn't dislike Riri it just felt like she was a footnote in the movie. I look forward to seeing more of her.

[@danicleckley5404]

@@a.block.of.tofu. I think he had to force Riri into the story because Disney is creating an Ironheart series.

[@UnboxingAlyss]

I found Ironheart funny. I feel that she took on more of the comedic roles, something Shuri did in the first one. She wasn't as important, but I still had fun with her. Ross and his ex? Not such. Nothing about them or their "plot" was interesting to me.

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

the one thing that broke me in that movie was at the end when shuri was burning her clothes from the funeral, I thought that they were gonna show t'challa's hand on her shoulder however that didn't happened, instead we're left with a painful silence which for me was even more powerful if they had done it. When someone dies no one gets that kind of closure, once someone is gone you'll never see them again, so all that's left is the silence and the pain, so shuri did the best she could, however that feeling is gonna stick with her

[@michaelnally2841]

I think they kinda left in ambiguous on whether does she feel her brother’s presence or is she just finally letting her emotions out. And I think that was appropriate

[@Byronic19134]

That was the scene that broke me because i viewed it as Latitia grieving for Chadwick in real life they were like real siblings outside the movie, so to get to the end knowing she held it down for him and can finally take a breathe was such a deep hitting moment.

[@benzaiten933]

I think the fact that we get flashbacks of T'Challa, Shuri remembering her brother, and T'Challa was smiling and being happy means she reached a stage in her grief where's she's able to remember the good moments, not only the pain and loss.

[@fineandnatural]

I think she got better than the hand on her shoulder, she got her brother's son. He was introduced at that moment and maybe that was TChalla's "presence".

[@paulmaloney4387]

Really enjoyed the movie! My biggest issues were how it felt like many aspects of the film were shoehorned in to allude to other Marvel products (Thunderbolts, Ironheart, etc)

[@VactorVerse]

Agreed

[@catherinehubbard1167]

I would bet that those add-ins featuring Marvel characters for other series were not Coogler’s idea but something the studio insisted on. Coogler knows how to write good stories without too much distraction. But I think he handled this extra content pretty well.

[@ikexbankai]

@@catherinehubbard1167 he’s also developing the Ironheart show so I don’t think that was add in by studio but I can see Val being add in by studio because he don’t have anything to do with that character

[@VonJay]

Yeah I felt ironheart was unnecessary. They could have used a person outside of the comics to fill that role.

[@theprowler18]

The problem is Riri Williams is more tied into Ironman's legacy typically and makes more sense to be developed/introduced during Armor Wars. I also have a problem that her show will feature characters from Doctor Strange's world. Like what the hell does magic have to do with her character and setting that revolves around technology? They might change up her origins (which I find to be a positive for sure) but I feel they kept many of her annoying character traits that made her detestable in the comics. Yeah, and introducing her by extorting a frigging student for money and murdering police. Yeah, not a good look for the character.

[@jamesbarr8218]

I was 100% on the recast T’Challa kick. But almost as soon as 10 minutes into the movie I was on board with the movie’s direction. Enough of the movie was a requiem for Chadwick that by the time it became Shuri’s story I was 100% on board. This was such a hard needle to thread, but I thought it did do perfectly

[@almanac520]

Well, I disagree. This poor attempt to connect real-life to the MCU resulted in a bad movie. Some "homage" ... This movie will age terribly as people lose context, which is the worst insult to a film I can think of.

[@Byronic19134]

@@almanac520 The highlight of the first movie was the the relationship between TChalla and Shuri and how Chadwick and Latitia came off like real life royal siblings. So unless the first movie disapears then you will have context for the sequal because the story is a epic game of thrones style drama about one royal family and what they must do to protect theyre people at heart.

[@almanac520]

@F I don't have to. Just watch a few more review on YT. Most are negative, and discuss the poor plot of this film

[@gadroful]

That's exactly what I said about Okoye suit. "oh look, blue Predator..."

[@ajiteshbhattacharjee7622]

Shuri remembering Tchalla at the end with no music playing was my favourite scene from the film. It was very powerful. I just wish Marvel didnt have the compulsive need to introduce so many characters and set up the future. The movie worked fine when these characters dealt with their grief and when we got insights into Namor's culture. Tenoch Huerta captured the submariner's mercurial personality to perfection. Hence him yielding at the end didn't make much sense, nor did them just wanting to kill the scientist. I found the presence of other characters such as Ross , Elaine and Riri Williams to be pointless at best. Overall, i liked it but felt like Marvel Studios couldnt help not making backdoor pilots to disney plus shows and more interconnected stuff. It was just a bit unfocused but the parts that mattered were done well.

[@Aaron-kj8dv]

It literally feels like Marvel stories are all just becoming movies that set up another story down the road. To me this movie was meandering and I actually said out oud "where the hell is this even going?" like an hour and a half into the movie. This would've worked better as a miniseries than a movie.

[@JackDManheim]

Chadwick’s performance as T’Challa the Black Panther made the character an international household name. There’s no way he wanted the character to die with him. They should have recast.

[@suezcontours6653]

Did you watch the movie, they did recast him

[@JackDManheim]

@@suezcontours6653 read the comment again

[@darthbetraikas2664]

@@suezcontours6653 Did YOU watch the movie? They didn't recast him.

[@sarahgates6947]

Maybe next movie, I think we can honor the actor legacy in this movie and in the future set someone else up.

[@mickeymouse7726]

I hope we see more of Namor and talocan in the MCU I'd love a solo Namor movie in the future

[@Renoistic]

Riri felt very underdeveloped. At least they could tell us why she is working on an Iron Man suit in her spare time or why this student is immediately OK with killing... It was funny how they instead spent more focus on her var for a cheap emotional beat in the ending.

[@UNFITTED1]

It was a set up for Iron Heart Disney plus show.

[@soundwave6281]

There was no time for that deepness, her development will come

[@BoomorBust]

For the life of me I can't understand the RiRi criticism. She was literally the catalyst to the whole plot...how did she not fit??

[@kreed82]

This..I guess it could have been another scientist other than her?

[@toyajackson556]

It was the whole suit thing that made it too busy.

[@melissasandoe610]

I don't understand why people are dunking on her either. Not like this is the first movie to introduce a new character that will be seen in the future. She made the vibranium detector which caused the problem in the first place.

[@kreed82]

@@melissasandoe610 no story or development she is just super smart and knows everything. It took tony a week in a cave to make a suit and even that needed major tweaks. She can make a suit while shes listening to music on the weekend. It was just very Rey Skywalker

[@JDotWill]

I loved the introduction of Prince T’Challa because it gave Shuri hope. Until that point she thought she was alone & she’d be the last of her bloodline. Now she knows she still has family

[@shanetaylor761]

Letitia Wright was amazing in this movie. I really enjoyed the character development in this movie in general. Coogler does a really great job making movies that feel like marvel but have so much more depth and love than your average mcu film. Also namor was an actual good villian.

[@sunnysied713]

Character development? Who had character development? Please explain. Shuri easily avoided revenge because she had a last second epiphany (unbelievable). You're not taking a spear to the stomach, torching the man who killed your mother, and sparing them at the last minute. Namor was a very dumb and poorly written villain. The Marvel curse continues.

[@suezcontours6653]

@@sunnysied713 You're he'll bent on not understanding the character because of your own biases, Man. I know Letitia Wright made bad decisions but she stepped up for this movie. Separate the character from the actor

[@sunnysied713]

@@suezcontours6653 Shuri had no real character arc or character growth. She was angry that her brother died from NATURAL CAUSES and wanted to 'burn the world down', which is pretty stupid. If T'Challah died a tragic heroic death or was fatally betrayed, then anger would be a more natural response. Who wants to punish the world because a loved one dies from disease? It's very illogical and irrational. Blame that on the writers. But wait, it gets worse. T'Challah had a son and he lived in the most technologically advanced country of the world, but he didn't seek medical treatment from Wakanda scientists and doctors, let alone his super-genius sister. Shuri never really did anything to sell her rage or desire to get revenge. She dropped some one-liners, but didn't get into any real personal conflicts that showed she was angry or morally compromised. Her character arc/growth was a flat line. Even worse, she was just like T'Challah in Civil War. I will kill the person who murdered my father/mother and, later, spare Zemo/Namor.

[@geekhideout8161]

@@sunnysied713 Have you ever experienced grief, and specifically grief from losing someone from illness. Because I have multiple times and Shuri's reaction of anger against the entire world is incredibly grounded and realistic. There is no problem there whatsoever.

[@wangfirejr.3207]

They packed too much into the first movie. M'Baku could have carried an entire film as an antagonist. It's a shame.

[@rossbalch]

Something I haven't seen many people talk about, and that fact alone I think backs up my point quite well, is that this was a film with mostly women characters, not to mention mostly people of colour, where that fact never really occurs to you at all while you watch the film. In films like Oceans 8, Fembusters etc where it feels like the film makers are going out of their way to wink wink nudge nudge you about the fact that women can be funny/kickass too, it totally takes you out of the film. This movie just told a good story, and yes, the fact many of the characters were women and PoC was important to the story, but it just felt completely natural to the events that were unfolding. I think this movie will do a lot more to sell films with a similar cast makeup in the future, than any of the past movies that went out of their way to market their movie on that fact.

[@sarahgates6947]

I definitely love that too, I also love how it wasn’t publicizes and it’s something that dawn on you as you watch.

[@nicholaskinney5112]

I would love a video ranking those 15 projects in phase four, or at least expanding on your opinions a bit further!

[@kidunderabridge]

I would love Dan to go over ALL of the MCU

[@knk9118]

The fact that you are using your phone to film this instead of a camera and I honestly didn’t even notice until you said so, is the biggest proof that you no one needs fancy equipment to KZbin

[@leademi1387]

This film was both an ugly cry at the memorials for Chadwick, and Namor fans (like myself) enjoying seeing that charming, smug, crazy bastard brought to life amazingly done. And I agree with others, the Shuri and Killmonger scene was certainly an unexpected surprise but it immediately made sense. It was a theme even Namor touched on when he tells Shuri that he heard her say that she wants to make the world burn.

[@suezcontours6653]

I low-key had to remind myself that Shuri is either 17 or 21 depending on when this takes place because she refers to herself as a child at the funeral scene.

[@Lupin788]

Dan, you made some very cogent points about the inclusion of Riri Williams, Everett Ross and Val but I didn't find their presence distracting from the overall narrative and focus. I would rank this film in my top 10 MCU projects but behind the first Black Panther film. I do agree the third act was the weakest part of the movie. The scenes from the final battle between Wakanda and Talokan looked better in the trailers than seen in full, imo. I also didn't care for the designs of Riri's Mark II suit or the Midnight Angels armor.

[@christopherjove7035]

Honestly I would have loved to see Okoye as black panther. It could’ve been like a redemption of sorts for her after failing to protect Shuri. Im sure she wanted to redeem herself anyway. That being said though, I still really loved Okoye in this movie and I’m glad she was more of a main character this time around.

[@benzaiten933]

with Shuri not being all that big on tradition I don't see why there can only be one black panther. give the heart shaped herb to all the Dora Milaj so they're even stronger and better able to protect Wakanda. Shuri can remain as 'Black Panther' but others could also have the same powers.

[@kreed82]

Gurrara is also more popular than Leticia Wright so i would have loved it. But they had to carry on the black panther legacy to the next in line.

[@kreed82]

@@benzaiten933 the problem with that theory is that it dilutes black panther.

[@raulalmanzar5268]

This movie was DIDN'T meet my expectations, they did with this movie what they did with the last MATRIX movie. They turned this movie into a female empowerment flick that DIDN'T work. I hope the next BP movie makes up for this flop. They should have gone another route with this movie.

[@canaanhess]

I just wanted to point out that Riri and Peter Parker have the same introduction beats in the MCU. They are approached and are awestruck by a hero, are asked to come with them for an important reason, and they make an excuse that they have homework. They’re also both smart and have homemade suits, that get upgraded in the same film. It was weird to me how similar it was lol

[@travisspazz1624]

Julia Louise-Dreyfus' character might be the most uninteresting in the history of the MCU. Air got sucked out of the theater the second she popped up. Also needed more Winston Duke and Lupita Nyong'o!! Overall a little clunky, but hit when it needed to. Tenoch Huerta what a scene stealer!

[@farmansiddiqui9279]

Loved this movie. It was Marvel’s most powerful and emotional movie. Coogler is a genius

[@Jack-sy8mr]

I feel like could have been interesting if instead of M,Baku becoming king or whatever, if he and Shuri actually discussed it and came to the idea of “maybe let’s not have an absolute monarchy decided by one-on-one death matches” right? After Killmonger it seems like they’d think that Loved the movie tho

[@suezcontours6653]

Unfortunately you have the Manosphere out there. Disney needs to protect the product of Black Panther and its lead

[@Janootz]

Good god she really did look like the red Beetleborg. Cannot unsee

[@reneew8181]

This was easily a top 5 favorite MCU movie for me.

[@MrShaunhunter]

I don’t understand why people want a discussion of who black panther should be. It’s a monarchy and the mantle is passed down. That’s how it works.

[@suezcontours6653]

Precisely

[@Emmuzka]

I wondered why the movie was toned so dark. I mean physically dark, I saw it on IMAX and I still struggled to see what was happening in the night and underwater scenes. When the movie will be released for tv, the audience won't be seeing crap.

[@theprowler18]

I think personally and what I want to convey in my review, that my read of the creative intent feels like it was borne from grief, sorrow, and anger, that everyone felt when Boseman finally told them of his cancer and then passed away unexpectedly from it. I mean, I question if the lines about how prideful he was to ask for help was a bit of a dig at him for being that way. But simply put, the cinematographer is different and clearly lacked the skills to make it pop visually and why it really looked dark and muted at times in the film.

[@s0sa1ty]

I seen it twice now, imax and Dolby. I can say that imax viewing was significantly worse visually and audio wise. When namor shows up to wakada the first time I thought the projector was broken there so many visual artifacts lol

[@RJ-Ramen]

It was refreshing to me at times because I hate when movies light a nighttime scene like it’s daytime. Like there’s some invisible light source illuminating things so high at night.

[@benzaiten933]

oh, you as well? I saw it in 2D and thought that the movie might have been made for 3D a/o IMAX so that's why I at times couldn't see what was going on. but it seems the problem was the movie itself.

[@TMWriting]

Ramonda's death felt a little out of place in this movie, and definitely was a holdover from the earlier draft where Chadwick was still going to be the protagonist - it was a repeat of the earlier grieving that she'd already gone through in the first scene of the movie, and didn't actually propel her character thematically like the movie was trying to say it had. It led to the third act - which completely rests around Shuri choosing not to become driven by anger, and using her power as Wakanda's protector to hurt Namor (and start a war that would decimate Wakanda) - feeling almost completely detached from the rest of the movie (or at least the second act). Also, they made Ironheart look like a goddamn Power Ranger.

[@jessicaalbright7429]

Really like this movie and greatly appreciate how they honored Chadwick in it. Thought it was really well written and performed. Loved the mid end credit scene s it flipped everything for me, emotionally.

[@marcuslobo5765]

This may seem outta place but can we all agree that the Taolan scenes and its peoples interactions with sea life have all ready blown away any wonder that Avatar the way of water may hope to achieve. I mean i wasn't looking forward to Avatar (only bending avatars for me olease) but after Taolan I'm gonna be recommending this as a better alternative to those looking for Away of water

[@sadiebunny]

Nah. Avatar blew that kingdom out of the water

[@havok6280]

Two nitpicks: Shuri was trying to recreate the heart shaped herb to save T'challa. But he already had the herb in his system and yet he still got sick. Why would more herb help him? Did he lose his powers? Second, when did Shuri learn to fight? She's a lab rat not a gym rat. Both T'challa and Killmonger were trained warriors and the herb enhance them. But Shuri takes the herb and can magically fight.

[@kingmanic]

The herb has healing properties. It implied he got sick with something and the herb may have helped. The herb isn't in his system but had changed his system in a reversible way. You can go through Chemo and it changes your system by killing everything but killing the cancer more but you may need it again later. She's part of the upper echelon on Wakanda society, she probably had to combat train just like her brother. She was in fights in the first movie and in avengers. Just more gun centric. She also didn't outfight Namor. She didn't keep her guard up and got smacked in the face a lot. He had the upper hand in the fight, her scheme there was to keep him distracted while he dried out. She lost the fight but won from being clever and determined enough to fight through a gut wound.

[@kunglaoshat1250]

Shuri went into combat in BP 1 and Endgame so I never saw her as strictly a “lab rat.” I’ve only seen the movie once but when I watched Shuri didn’t come off as a particularly skilled fighter in her final fight against Namor. She seemed to rely mostly on speed and brute strength (which she got from the herb) and her suit. She really struggled against Namor even though she was at full strength and he was significantly weakened. She definitely didn’t seem as skilled of a fighter as T’Challa or Okoye.

[@paw0uk]

Another awesome review! I agree completely with the Okoye and Ironheart arguments, these charcters are great, but their role just wasn't really there. But honestly, I was kinda wishing that Nakia will become the Black Panther. It would make more sense with her being a spy and a warrior with Wakanda roots that she grew apart from. Shuri always felt like the scientist in the chair and I believe you could do the whole grief story without her taking on the suit in the end.

[@Angelo-uo2gj]

I agree… as a “phase” there is no overarching theme, story line, or focus. Not that every movie needs to be part of a bigger whole but then why does each movie in this phase do so much set-up for movies that seemingly don’t connect with each other?

[@the7percentsolution]

For the most part I've seen Phase 4 as being the "Iron Man 2" of phases where it's not really doing anything new, kind of repeating some beats that we've seen before, and mostly being used as a means to introduce new characters. I don't necessarily see this as the MCU slipping in quality (although Eternals was pretty boring) but more like a stepping stone to something greater. Maybe over time we'll look back at Phase 4 and not be too harsh on it.

[@sunnysied713]

Wakanda Forever reused many story beats from Black Panther and also story beats from Iron Man and Far From Home. This wasn't a great sequel. It was very derivative.

[@kingmanic]

I think top 3 of the phase is No way Home, this, and Shang Chi. The rest does suffer from the middle chapter issues marvel had after the first wave of movies.

[@theprowler18]

I think that sums up the Phase really well and how I view it as a whole. It felt way too much like Phase 2. Basically figuring out the next step forward. And I can only hope they will bring out better entries next phase.

[@johnnypopstar]

@@sunnysied713 Every film ever "reuses story beats" from other things. There's only so many experiences people can have. Only question is, do you apply this criticism to *every* movie and hate them all via this sort of nitpicking, or is it only reserved for, hrm, how shall we put it, movies containing certain classes of people? Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@sunnysied713]

@@johnnypopstar It's different when a SEQUEL reuses the same story beats as the first movie. And, yes, if a sequel is recycling the same story beats, then it's definitely disappointing. Hollywood does it all the time because they are lazy and want quick and easy money. P.S. And, really, you're using 'racism' or 'sexism' as a strawman argument. Lol. Black Panther was much better than Wakanda Forever.

[@PhilFromSchool]

People are always so adamant about things like RDJ is the one actor perfect for iron man, or Chris Evans IS cap America. I don't think people would be happy if one of those guys was recast due to unfortunate circumstances Making T'Challa's death canon was the lesser of two evils, I think. And personally, I find the challenge of writing around the death of your protagonist much more interesting than recasting, and tbh the movie brought results. It was so emotional and so real PS. The arc of shuri becoming panther was so organic, I was so worried they were just gonna shoe horn her in because "someone has to be panther"

[@Thizlamic]

Killmonger scene was BAD ASS.

[@sarahgates6947]

“Are you going to be noble or are you going to handle business” 😂😂😂

[@sum1rllyspecial]

Finally watched this on Disney plus since I missed it at the movies. Now I can watch your spoiler breakdown to hear your thoughts and compare them to my own. Wow, what a movie.

[@hiimchrisj]

I think I already said this in the comments of your last video, but I really do feel like Riri's character was in fact necessary to the story being told, and that's coming from someone that didn't agree with the idea when it was first announced. I really feel like you need that face to the people you're protecting when you're doing a superhero movie. Because of course the audience is going to inherently going to agree with the idea that it's bad to want to burn the surface world and all the people in it. But you don't really feel it the way you feel for your protagonist wanting to protect a girl she sees a lot of herself in. Riri and Shuri are a lot alike and I think the fact that the crux of the middle act of this movie is Shuri wanting to protect her makes total sense. But that's in concept. In execution I don't necessarily feel like they built _that_ strong of a connection between the two but I can understand the idea behind it. She's a McGuffin with agency basically. Ross felt tacked on tho that much is true. I feel like they felt like they needed to give him a bit of a plotline because he's a supporting character in the Black Panther comics and a major supporting character in the previous movie, and it was rooted in _that_ first and foremost (and presumably it was just because the opening was there that they decided to make it a Thunderbolts tie-in) but it really wasn't necessary and made the movie more stuffed than it needed to be. I didn't initially understand what you meant about M'Baku in the first video but I can agree with you after the explanation. To me it felt pretty straight forward. M'Baku explicitly tells Shuri that T'Challa had requested for him to take care of and provide council to Shuri. I saw that final scene as him being her stand in for the challenge because, lets face it, without the heart-shaped herb nor her weapons, Shuri isn't a warrior. So M'Baku is there to fight in her stead. But that's just my interpretation that goes along with what had been established early on in the movie, but I agree with you that they could've been more clear about what the status quo was there. Because they explicitly refer to Shuri as princess still in spite of the fact that she's the last surviving member of the royal family. So is she not taking the throne? Who knows. You're right, it is kinda weird but what isn't ambiguous to me is the fact that they make it clear that M'Baku's intentions from here on out is to be a guide and right hand to Shuri.

[@stevenpina1983]

She’s annoying

[@kreed82]

What do you have against paragraphs breh

[@caridadchang7895]

I actually liked Riri's Iron-Heart suit, it was a bit 90s (looked like an adult sized Medabot in case anyone catches the reference) because it makes it look like it is made for her tastes instead of being so similar to Tony's suits that it feels like an Iron-Man jr. instead of her being her own person. I agree with you on that Ross could have been cut out to make a tigher story but I do see some importance to Riri's character in the sense *she* is likely to be in danger a lot in the future; we've seen before that organizations like Shield do not trust geniuses as far as they can throw them.

[@mickeymouse7726]

I liked it as well it reminded me of power rangers in a good way

[@darthboti]

Lol yall tripping

[@merlin9943]

Plus, its only, HER FIRST SUIT!

[@almanac520]

@@darthboti Yeah, these people are totally lost. They are obligated to like. It looked like a toy, and was not menacing at all. Almost as bad as how stick thin Shuri looked in the panther suit.

[@cooperjake]

Really enjoyed this. In terms of quality, story, and emotions, it’s one of Marvel’s best in recent years. It was about 15 minutes too long. Could have done without Ross and Riri’s storylines I agree with you. And the final battle was a bit weak. Namor was awesome and really well done

[@darthbetraikas2664]

They should have recast. Putting the mantle on Shuri was a panic move.

[@Quanic2000]

I appreciate your reviews out of all the KZbinr reviewers because you are able to articulate what you like and don't like in a film. Many of the negative reviews cannot articulate what is "bad" about the film. They would say something along the lines of the movie is missing "it". Well as a reviewer, shouldn't one be able to articulate what that "it' is? Of course I'm not saying someone cannot dislike the film, but at trust be able to say why. For me this film was inferior to the first but one of the better phase 4 films. 8/10 for me.

[@Koooo4]

Pretty much agree completely with this review. Im guessing the Ironheart suit looks the way it does for two reasons. 1) To not just look like an Ironman Mark III, 2) Her skills at building things isnt at Tony Stark level, making her suit more bulky. The Midnight Angel suit.. Yeah, i dunno what went wrong there lol

[@sayahhx8300]

Lol it was so uglyyyy

[@CarlosHernandez-qh9vj]

It was just like the comics, maybe it didn't translate as well as it was intended

[@moulin1995]

What a beautiful review man😇 keep it up

[@almanac520]

Yeah, it was pretty balanced. Most youtube reviews I am seeing are pretty honest, leaning towards like a C/C+ grade. It's like being critical of this movie makes you disrespectful of Chadwick's memory. What a bad juxtaposition.

[@moulin1995]

@@almanac520 it was a beautiful movie indeed I'm seeing it again soom

[@almanac520]

@@moulin1995 great, happy for you to waste another 2hr 41m. This is in my no rewatch bin, with Eternals, She Hulk, Captain Marvel,

[@kwakud.2485]

I need a new tchalla Not what the movie was trying to do in the end

[@Bdavis2475]

I think the difference with this movie and bvs is that namor actually didn't make friends with shuri, he is attempting to manipulate her down the road

[@reesaflood675]

Hey Dan I respect really appreciate your review of Black Panther Wakanda Forever even though I don’t agree with you. This movie worked on every level for me and broke my heart 💔a few times 😭😭. The story, the acting and the emotions of this movie was next level and has left me days after seeing it still thinking about it. There is an interview that Nate Moore the producer of the movie where he said there was no pressure from Disney to make this movie and they could have not made a sequel to Black Panther. But they ultimately decided to follow what they thought would be Chadwick’s wishes to make another movie and honor him in the process. Sorry the movie didn’t work as well for you.

[@ikexbankai]

Yeah I truly don’t get how people aren’t getting this movie. Like this movie is sooo good

[@sunnysied713]

Wakanda Forever had too many problems. They recycled so many story beats from Black Panther and other films, plus the execution was botched. It was disappointing.

[@theprowler18]

@@sunnysied713 I noticed that too with Namor. He is simply Killmonger 2.0 basically for this film. We are getting it. But the criticism thankfully comes from the creative execution and intent behind the film. My thoughts, this was definitely made out of grief and anger and it really shows in this film, to its own detriment, while being beholden to the trappings of a Marvel film (bloated narrative, set ups for future teams and series, and doing so much but landing with very little impact).

[@sunnysied713]

@@theprowler18 I agree. It almost feels like they wanted to throw the kitchen sink at this movie to make everything bigger, which explains the overloaded number of plot points. The project definitely needed a writing peer review and a good editor to trim the fat and focus on the essentials.

[@theprowler18]

@@sunnysied713 I am processing my critical thoughts at the moment but I did see The Fabelmans. That was able to balance optimism, family drama, real emotional pathos to the small conflicts that are relatable, and just all around genuine sentimental feelings that made it clear that the creative intent for Wakanda Forever feels all wrong, manufactured, and ultimately feels like another corporate product that is trying to profit off an actual person's death as a major plot point and serves as the tone of this war time drama. I certainly don't see myself sitting through 3 hours of a grief consoling coping session under the guise of a generic Marvel film (that's including trailers/feature presentation).

[@candlesandcarnage]

Just got home from seeing it. Interested in your take since I avoided your non spoiler review

[@younghan3573]

Last act was straight up Merchandising

[@sunnysied713]

Very good observation. We can't sell grief, but we can sell the Power Ranger suits. Lol

[@davedujour1]

I just saw Wakanda Forever a few days ago and am finally watching your review. One of the misdirects in Shuri's Ancestoral Plane was that you could see Ramonda's black hat/headpiece sticking just over back of the throne.

[@joey159213]

I think the acting alone just in this movie blows everything away they hv done in this phase by far. Only hope an upward trajectory continues.

[@davidsparham658]

Hi Dan. Can you please do a 'nonsense debunking' section as part of your video about Black Panther Wakanda Forever's box office? Much like you did with Captain Marvel. The 'usual subjects' on KZbin are saying the box office for this movie is terrible and the film is a failure!

[@cmasterson]

I have seen them also. They took one sentence from an article and ran with it. Thursday did 28, Thor Love and Thunder did 29 and Dr Strange did 30. It’s not that far off. So calling it a failure is a stretch. Also Friday was 84. Right there it’s above Thor and Dr Strange for opening weekend as of Friday. Thor did 144 opening weekend. BPWF did that in the first 2 days with 2 days to go. It’s on track for 185 which is higher than most. bP1 was 200 and it will be 20 off from that. Which means success. You judge a movie on how much it makes. Also, the race of the character is the first in a while and they are raising hell. You get 26 movies where the lead isn’t a skin color and get two movies and flip out. Lies saying white peoples banned from watching. Why would white people be banned when the movie supports a black director and black and brown casts.

[@sunnysied713]

@@cmasterson Dr. Strange made $36M for its Thursday, so Wakanda Forever is off by $8M (23%).

[@kingmanic]

@@cmasterson It's a longer movie so it's not going to fit as many showings a day. On the back end it may have more 'legs' as the demand to see it is likely the same but just fewer showings.

[@garbageboy8857]

Definitely doesn't gel with my experience. Busiest I've seen the theatre since Spiderman.

[@johnnypopstar]

@@cmasterson > I have seen them also There's one of them right there in this comment's replies. Our man Sunny Sied here is allllllllll over this comment section with extremely surgical critiques, that I'm sure he applies to every single film he watches, and not just the ones that do a great job of representation, yes, definitely he treats all movies fairly /s

[@TepidShark]

I could see Coogler wanting to have made it the US Government deliberately setting Wakanda and Talokan against each other, sort of an oppressors pitting opposed against opposed so they don't realize the enemy of my enemy is my friend notion but I could see Disney/Marvel getting cold feet at the idea of that. Or maybe that ties into what they are setting up for the third movie.

[@dkfrito]

There were some rumors a few months back that it would be revealed that it was Doom and Latveria that were pulling the strings. I could still see that eventually bring revealed

[@UnboxingAlyss]

This was my issue with the movie. In BP, we had back people fighting each other. In thin one, we had POCs fighting POCs.Considering how similar they were, as well as their pasts, it was upsetting. I am glad Namur wasn't killed and they have an alliance. I would love to see the two groups work together in the future.

[@kenji7318]

New lighting Dan? you're looking brighter than ever!

[@king2kx]

I enjoyed the movie but those new suits looked awful... the midnight angels suit looked like Abe Sapien and the Predator had a baby, and not a cute baby. Ironheart looked like a child's toy robot, I hope she makes a more sleek and sophisticated design in the show since she had to leave that suit in Wakanda.

[@SammyLaffy]

Dan is literally my favorite movie critique.. kristian, john c, and reel rejects up there too

[@JTG313]

I agree about the iron suit I believed they could've left her out

[@davidg8158]

Great take on the movie, you analyzed it well.

[@Pohara68.]

T’Challa - Civil War - “ The Black Panther has been the protector of Wakanda for generations. A mantle handed down from Warrior to Warrior “ There in lies my issue with Shuri being the Panther. She’s a tech nerd, not a Warriior. That should have been Okoye. Instead she gets stripped of her position of general… yeah nah 🙄🤬

[@SydneyTravellersGuide]

Um, BVSman... the scene about martha.. its bad. because they had whats her face/Lois suddenly show up to say "its his mother". Its not the same at all.

[@kingmanic]

Same basic premise of humanizing your enemy. Extremely poor execution in BVS because snyder is not a great story teller. He is a great visual director. Its also not unique to BVS, a ton of movies used the idea.

[@countgeekula9143]

I really liked the film. It has issues like most Marvel films but the main story and its themes were strong and quite affecting. And a hell of a cast. Angela Bassett was incredible. Damn shame they killed her off although I get why they did. And that ending on the beach with the added mid-credits scene... Beautiful stuff.

[@filmscorn1105]

I might be the only one that thinks this and I get this is the multiverse saga; but I still have no idea what we are building towards. Kang yes, but there's no looming threat.

[@jackson857]

19:53 Really? I completely missed that. I just thought she was the new Director of the CIA. I didn't know she was also his ex-wife.

[@benfromthebunker9621]

I loved this movie. I think that we didn't necessarily need the ross valentina relationship, but we did need the what is america doing aspect. The fact that America is planning to attack Wakanda plays very much into Namor's way of thinking being possibly correct. It adds another layer to the film.

[@thando_banda]

Tenoch was miscast as Namor for me ,he wasn't menacing or feeling like a threat. He seemed angry than anything else .I felt he was just playing a cartel boss and not a Regal arrogant king

[@eoghan00]

What specifically made him like a ‘cartel boss’ 😬

[@varkesh456]

I can understand the concept of keeping the death mirroring real life events of chadwick...however where i have issues is the huge gaps in logic surrounding that approach in the movie that make that fail both as a plot point or a fitting tribute i would say at least to my opioun but i know i am not the only one who felt that way. Also i think people were expecting a heros send off because it is usally a great way to start a war in tradtional story telling but also in a lot of the early chiices and announcements we were told we would get to see them being kick ass one more time. So while many have forgotten that piece of information i think it was also nesteled in the sub consious that is was expected. I think your summary is spot on from the perspective of when they were going to be releasing this movie originally they wrote themselves into that corner by not giving enough time...that know enough time has passed that people would have prefered a recasting.

[@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926]

Saving this for streaming.

[@stephensandridge3784]

Shuri's potential mortal wound mirrored Killmonger's when he fought T'Challa. Live by the spear, die by the spear. Chef's kiss.

[@gimmibox]

I have one nitpick with Riri (and it could be that I just missed some dialogue). When they got to her "little" lab, she said "It's not much", while the camera lands right on a Mac with two external monitors. Not much you say?

[@fdm2155]

I liked the tie in to the ancient Yucatan culture. Though I also didn't know much about Namor so this origin story works for me.

[@s0sa1ty]

This movie was great S tier. One of my favorites MCU movies to date

[@norad1]

I did like it overall as well. That opening scene was tough to get through for sure, and nothing but appreciation for the actors because you know that emotion was 100% real for them. I did think the movie was a little long though. I could totally see a version where Riri and Ross were cut from it. Unfortunately I think I am also starting to hit a wall not just for Marvel's stuff but the super hero genre as a whole.

[@Ladykyra101]

RiRi's suit looked like 90's MegaMan cartoon. 🤣

[@bernadmanny]

It never ceases to amaze me that Dan puts into smart insightful words the nebulous thoughts and feelings I have about movies, he thinks about movies so similarly to myself but actually cogent, rare it is that I find myself in stark disagreement with him.

[@clarissawestbrook2203]

My 28th birthday is only 8 days away and I watched this movie with my sister as a pre-birthday gift. Wow this movie is an experience! It's visually stunning, the acting is stellar especially from Angela Bassett and Lupita, I love the new villain Nemar and his motivation, the action sequences, the flashbacks etc. I love how emotional and therapeutic this film is and how there was good action sequences but the focus was more in the story/ plot. I'm going the movie is 2 hours and 41 minutes long to fully flush out things. I enjoyed this film more than the original, it's definitely one of the best Marvel films of Phase 4 and in my top five favorite Marvel movies ever. It was a beautiful and touching tribute to Chadwick Boseman as King T-Challa. This was another good review.

[@suezcontours6653]

Black people are experts at pain. They live it most days but this is a nice way to guide those who don't know how to deal with grief.

[@lemmor6791civ]

I definitely see Dan's point, there is not a main goal in the story, and there is a serious lack of chemistry in the main cast, even with the veterans of the first film, I don't know if CB glue it all together with his performance and now, with him gone, it's just not there anymore. I do feel the script feels rush out, trying to get the release date, I will predict this film will fade way faster in the b.o., leaving only SpiderMan:NWH as the best phase 4 picture...

[@suezcontours6653]

No Way Home had 7 plotholes and unfinished CGI. Why you pick apart Wakanda but not NWH? You have a based point of view. NWH, first had Dr. Strange nerfed twice by Ned (who opened portholes immediately), and defeated by Peter Parker using math, but still not explaining how he can dodge Dr. Strange attacks while his consious is out of his body. 2. Dr. Strange is an Illiluminati Member but made a spell without explaining to Peter the deal and giving him a day to say goodbye to his family and friends and he risked dooming the multiverse for a kid he barely knew. 3. How is Electro in this movie if he doesn't know Peter Parker, the spell drew in those who knew his secret identity, right? But Electro thought he was black. 3. Sandman wants to go home but ends up switching sides, why? 4. How does curing the villains save them does dying in their own universes? They will still die... as good men. 5. Aunt May death was unnecessary, she knows Peter is superstrong. 6. Toby McGuire and Garfield adlibbed their scenes because he ONLY signed his contract late as they finished rendering the movie, you can tell they didn't write a script for them as they improvised. 7. MJ is rude, the only reason people like her is because it's Zendaya, Peter literally just did 180 in FFH in the beginning scene but nothing was set up. They should've set their lovestory up from Homecoming. Remove Liz entirely and make MJ's dad Vulture.

[@lemmor6791civ]

@@suezcontours6653 I agree NWH has a lot of plot holes, but it's still a better movie, BP:W4E is not as bad as the Eternals in PHase IV but BP 1 was way better...

[@benzaiten933]

the only thing I didn't like in this movie was that at times it was literally dark and I had a hard time seeing what was going on. scenes taking place at night and underwater were especially bad. but I saw the movie in plain old 2D so perhaps it was far better in 3D or IMAX. but even then, you should be able to follow a movie.

[@laramineville]

While I understand why many fans didn't want to sort of have their only black male hero's journey end so prematurely, on a human level I belive it would've been impossible for the people involved in this film to recast Chadwick. They've been through the making of this character with him, I'm sure they couldn't just replace him like that.

[@killerdiva7771]

I think it made sense that there wasnt a discussion as to who would be the Black Panther. Shuri was the only one capable of recreating the heart shaped herb, and it was her desire for vengeance that fueled her to finish the formula. She didnt recreate the herb so that someone else could be BP, she did it so that she herself could kill Namor.

[@nicbell8090]

Phase 4 felt like a big reset and had varying quality that reminds me of phase 1. Im thinking 5 will start to focus things up

[@elklown]

I though Shuri’s character arc could also have been executed better. Other than her “saying” that she wants everything to burn early in the movie all of her actions are always noble and righteous so it was hard for me to buy that after her meeting with killmonger she would just go on a revenge/murder spree, and the fact that se becomes the black panther before fulfilling her character arc really made the third act very anticlimactic. It was hard to get behind her and feel the emotion of having a new black panther when her character is kind of effing everything up. It would have been much more rewarding for her to earn her place as the black panther after overcoming her internal struggles, which again were a bit confusing and could have been written better.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Agreed!

[@suezcontours6653]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I get it. The West is not used to seeing black people behave subtle. Americans tend to be loud and direct whereas some African immigrants, Letitia Wright being a UK citizen of Guyanese descent, she probably had to subdue herself growing up in Britain.

[@filmscorn1105]

I do wish Namor would have addressed the snap though. Were they even affected by it??

[@almanac520]

No, because the giant stone celestial body in the ocean (from the Eternals) killed more of them than the blip.

[@markbrierley6367]

@@almanac520 wrong ocean

[@almanac520]

@@markbrierley6367 you realize a structure like that, and it's effect on the earth's gravitation, the sea's salinity, and countless other factors would have *world-changing* ecological effects. But thanks for pointing out that small technicality, even though BP2 doesn't explain the expanse of the KuIKuKan empire

[@markbrierley6367]

@Almanac while I agree it would affect the planet some of your assumptions aren't founded. 1) The celestial isn't adding any additional mass to the planet during it's birth. It had already been there. Now was it growing and adding mass as it gestated? Maybe. But doesn't really apply here. The moon never fell to Earth so probably not? 2) We don't know what elements the corpse of the celestial are composed of. Reactive with the ocean? Maybe. 3) I'm not an oceanography expert, but there are large land masses separating the two oceans in question. I'm pretty sure tsunamis in the Pacific or Indian oceans don't have catastrophic ramifications for the Atlantic. 4) For Namor's empire to spread from the Gulf of Mexico to the Indian Ocean to be affected it would be larger than the largest Empire in human history. Possible in the MCU? Sure, why not? But if true that's not what the movie portrays. Based on the size of his armed response at both the capital of Wakanda and Wakanda's "fleet" his population doesn't measure up. It could be argued that the forces he brought to bear were only what was reasonably necessary. Sure, but it was still only a couple hundred troops for the second battle. That's a hell of a lot of restraint if his empire is such a size. And if his empire was that large it doesn't really explain why he would even be interested in having Wakanda as an ally against the surface world. 5) Here's where I agree with you somewhat. The amount of matter displacement from something that size moving through planetary layers should have a lot of affects on what is IN the oceans worldwide... over the course of months to years on the global scale. It would certainly affect Namor's country, but not necessarily in such a way that their technologically advanced society couldn't forsee and blunt or prevent the negative affects. To what degree? Who knows. Maybe it's Hurricane Katrina levels of bad. Maybe it's just a small earthquake. So yes, I think "wrong ocean" is a sufficient response to your point.

[@mralfonzohoward5175]

Dan has their ever been a successful sequel without the main character

[@suezcontours6653]

Yes. Ghostbusters: Afterlife.

[@th3ali3ns24]

Wow @ you noticing the parallel with the Martha Scene and how this version is a perfect example of how it could have worked

[@RobsSHiT]

Those blue predator suits were ass, my only complaint, I understand why they used them but the design sucked

[@yonghominale8884]

I liked this movie better than Black Panther. I just felt it was more focused. Act 3 in WF was way better than in BP. Killmonger was just too ridiculous. Namor and Talokan generally felt like a real threat. Shuri's transformation was believable. I'm also generally curious about Iron Heart. I agree about Ross. He felt tacked on.

[@suezcontours6653]

They needed to appease the white audience that would be sensitive to the "anti-colonization" sentiment. Now I know why they're not releasing in France.

[@Brandonhung95]

Would love to see you your rankings for the Marvel Phase 4 properties.

[@tonitoniitoniii5624]

Why were some of the water people blue and others weren't?

[@andycalmes4201]

The “big machine” that this movie is a part of is one of the things that makes it incredible to me.