Black Wars in Tasmania - Genocide by Definition

[@echofoxpaw73]

i am a decendant of tasmanian aboriginals and convicts. thank you for telling our story.

[@sulaymantouraytravel]

You just thanked the people that descend from the people that wiped your out! Let that sink in, project strength, stop kissing their ass they dont care

[@carokat1111]

Tasmania's convicts were no worse than those sent to Sydney or Western Australia. The standard convict sentence was 7 years, with some individuals getting 10, 14 years or 21 years (Life), but the vast majority only served 7 years. During the time of the Black War in the 1830s in Tasmania (then known as Van Diemen's Land), the convicts operated under what was known as the Assignment System. The vast majority of the convicts were assigned to an 'employer' and worked for that employer with both rules and some freedoms. The more hardened criminals, and those who reoffended or absconded, were sent to Port Arthur or Sarah Island prisons which were brutal. But the vast majority of the assigned convicts never experienced Port Arthur or Sarah Island's harsh conditions. Convicts were placed in the difficult situation of being assigned to farms in the interior where the Aboriginal populations were strongest and fighting the colonisers with guerilla warfare, and the convicts were having to defend themselves and the properties they were assigned to. It's my understanding that Tasmanian convicts were the only ones ever armed by their colonisers, in order that they could protect themselves from assault from the Aborigines and from attacks on food sources as you mentioned. The period of the Black Line and the Black Wars is a dark and tragic period in Tasmania's history. While government policies were bad, the impact of disease was huge and is often underestimated in the analysis of this period. An important point: yes, genocide was attempted and came very close to success. However, the Tasmanian Aboriginal population continues to grow and thrive. In the last census in 2021, 30,000 Tasmanians identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander origin. They are a proud people and they are still here.

[@garawa1987]

Genocide was 100% completed because there are no black people on the Island of Tasmania at least on the mainland if someone is white of aboriginal decent atleast you can trace the linage not so much in Tasmania it is 100% white who are claiming to be black period

[@suecollins8199]

@carokat1111 Maria Island was also a convict settlement. My GGG grandfather was sent there 1828-1832 after arriving from UK. He 'worked' at the cloth factory there along with up to 700 other convicts. Norfolk Island was a convict settlement on 3 separate occasions, the 1st being from ~1789 -1811. It was also a place of secondary punishment for convicts sent from both NSW & Van Diemen's Land. (Tasmania)

[@carokat1111]

@@suecollins8199 Very true

[@FarukBear]

How can it be, when the last one of them died, on the camp on the island?

[@hanbaal]

They're not full blood, but there are a lot of people with some aboriginal dna.

[@tasdare6377]

Tassie history is shocking. This is only the tip of the more common knowledge iceburg. Not many people know much about us, or how long it actually continued. Some are now trying to find and piece it all back together. It's not easy after decades of wanting to erase what happened.

[@garawa1987]

Australia's dirty secret that colonisers wanted to complete in the mainland Australia the blueprint

[@bethbrown8997]

Please watch some of their other episodes. These two fellows are extremely intelligent and Jared is really funny at times. Enjoy!

[@makinapacal]

I will point out that the Tasmanian Abroriginals were not completely wipped out a small community of people of mixed ancestry survived and to this day claim Aboriginal identity and even some cultural practices from their Aboriginal ancestors. There is even an attempt to revive the language.

[@Lux-x4y]

Point out that in 51 years 15'000 Aboriginals were racially massacred ethnically cleansed in the form of genocide to 200 tat surrendered and those who surrendered did so with the belief they would remain on Tasmania were lied too and sent to a baron island off Tasmania to die a slow death due to abhorrent conditions completing genocide. With the only descendants were born from rpe during the genocide. And the means of how each aboriginal was dispatched was done in the most inhumane way possible with mutilations that are horrible to even describe. It will not be downplayed

[@keitheverett1200]

I am known as Jim Everett-Puralia Meenamatta, a Pakana-Plangermairreenner, or Palawa/Tasmanian Aboriginal, we have survived attempted genocide and are well acknowledged in lutrawita/Tasmania. We were acknowledged as a living 'Tasmanian Aboriginal' community and received 12 titles in a land hand-back in 1995. Further land hand-backs have increased our land titles to 22, and we manage land and sea country rangers programs on our land around lutrawita, and our islands. Western assertions on our identity are of no concern to our people, we define who we are and know our Law in Country defines us.

[@SolomonOctober]

Like America who saw in natives as subhuman which justifies the treatment of the natives from the Europeans.

[@jboydayz]

as a british guy, i am deeply ashamed of this horrid event. I’m hopefully sure this was a one off.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

Unfortunately, it's not a one off. The British Empire was among the most brutal in recorded history; from Ireland to India, from Nigeria to Kenya, from Indonesia to New Zealand and countless places in between, the number of atrocities is countless. I mean check out our series on the British concentration camps in Kenya. Recent studies even reveal as many as 100 million died in SE Asia alone under British rule: www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians

[@eldradulthran6482]

@@lukej7283 Absolutely unhinged.

[@Ti-up3dv]

Are you saying you are proud that your ancestors participated in the massacring and forced removal of Aboriginal people, and you feel they we justified to do so because you haven’t enjoyed the time you’ve spent with Aboriginal people? Is that what you are saying? Do you think that if a people are in your eyes “culturally backward” then killing them en masse is something to be proud of? Heaven help you if so. If that’s your attitude, then it’s shockingly similar to the attitude the Nazis had to the Jews or the Ottomans/Turks had to the Armenians or the Hutus to the Tutsis.

[@jboydayz]

@@Ti-up3dv Evernote has done it in the past, what country are you from? Unless you are too afraid to admit and means you are an instant hypocrite. You are a delusional apologist and I will NOT say something for something I didn’t and never did.

[@Bluepilled-c5t]

Grow a pair ol’ chap, stop crying for your mumma

[@yvonneblake2]

Nick you're my guy ..you are a great listener ❤️

[@TheEpicStudiez]

Why WEREN'T these people held responsible for their crimes against the Australian aborigines?

[@willriley994]

Because they're dead

[@TheEpicStudiez]

@@willriley994 not even death escapes Justice...

[@garawa1987]

Because there decendants still benefit from it

[@rmf9567]

So if you are conquering a land and at war with a group it is considered genocide.. people like to forget that it was a different time back then and it was a very dangerous and violent time

[@stevenwex8966]

In Australia, which is a big place, I never hear of anyone finding Inginous artifacts, It's confusing to me too, the only artifacts Australia has is rock paints, no one ever finds any Boomagangs or spears, by being wood over time thier never wouldn't of lasted. Google Tasmanian Inginous Artifacts, and look at the spear heads thier found in a river bed.

[@archermadsen7744]

Parts of Tasmania are full of Indigenous stone tools.

[@mcmacmcgee]

They find artefacts all the time

[@smartcakes303]

My partner found a rock tool artifact on her peoples land a couple months back. I think you might be misinformed lol

[@Ti-up3dv]

Where on earth did you get the idea that they never find artefacts? There are rigorous archeological investigations done all over the country the show evidence of indigenous habitation. Of course wood disintegrates unless in an anaerobic environment, but what are you trying to say overall here? That Aboriginal occupation of Australia was a myth or something?

[@Lux-x4y]

Downplaying genocide is more evil than the act itself it's this ideology you have justifies the behaviour like a mental illness

[@pranavnaresh4675]

Why was Nick Lee even invited? He gets extremely small time & talking points, so all he's left is to just reiterate what Benson said.

[@RevolutionandIdeology]

We're a team (Jared-history, Nick-sociology). There are other videos in which the roles are reversed.

[@goodluck5642]

Watch their other videos they make a good team

[@philg27]

Clearly you have no idea about tassie to suggest it was swept with a line, a clearly impossible task regardless of time and numbers.You assume so much in this presentation and have missed many important facts.

[@atoms-to-atoms]

I shared a digs with a tassie in SA..he was consistently pointing out the lopsided demographics of every aspect in SA society...after 2 years he couldn't wait to get away from Africa once he decided the locals were lazy untrustworthy and uncouth...I resisted the discourse about the skeleton-filled cupboards of his ancestors.

[@justinbolinger3388]

65 ... Thousand, 65,000

[@sharaudramey9336]

They came from Africa

[@stigwells13]

The Tasmanian aboriginals don't go back 65,000 years at all get your facts right from the start.

[@thespartan8476]

The arrogance and ignorance of the Americans is aggravating, isn't it. I'm an Australian, and a Truth Teller. This video is a Terrible misrepresentation of the Black Wars in Tasmania, indeed. You shouldn't approach this video, as history in the typical sense. Treat it as an interesting speculative video with some historical information thrown in. There's an intelligent video to be made about the Black Wars in Tasmania and Tasmania's traditional culture, and this isn't it. The British invaded Australia and Tasmania, not Europeans. The British were at war with the Europeans and the United States. And that's why the British invaded Australia, and sent their convicts to Australia. Because they could no longer ship them to the United States, which was a terrible thing to do to your citizens. The American wars of Independence (1763-1849). A time when French controlled the land and the British controlled the Ocean. 13 May 1787, was the British First Fleet that arrived in Australia. 11 British ships. Lord Sandwich, together with the President of the Royal Society, Sir Joseph Banks, the eminent scientist who had accompanied Lieutenant James Cook on his 1770 voyage, was advocating establishment of a British colony in Botany Bay, New South Wales. Banks accepted an offer of assistance from the American Loyalist James Matra in July 1783. Under Banks's guidance, he rapidly produced "A Proposal for Establishing a Settlement in New South Wales" (24 August 1783), with a fully developed set of reasons for a colony composed of American Loyalists, Chinese and South Sea Islanders (but not convicts). The decision to establish a colony in Australia was made by Thomas Townshend, Lord Sydney, Secretary of State for the Home Office. This was taken for two reasons: the ending of transportation of criminals to America following the American Revolution, as well as the need for a base in the Pacific to counter French expansion. In September 1786, Captain Arthur Phillip was appointed Commodore of the fleet, which came to be known as the First Fleet, which was to transport the convicts and soldiers to establish a colony at Botany Bay. Upon arrival there, Phillip was to assume the powers of Captain General and Governor in Chief of the new colony. A subsidiary colony was to be founded on Norfolk Island, as recommended by Sir John Call and Sir George Young, to take advantage for naval purposes of that island's native flax (harakeke) and timber. The cost to Britain of outfitting and dispatching the Fleet was £84,000 (about £9.6 million, or $19.6 million as of 2015). Plus: The United States was built on Treason. Wars against the British Empire. War against American brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters, and cousins. Plus: Australia never had wars like the American Revolution and African slave's and Civil Wars. And wars against Mexicans and American Indian Wars [ etc ]. In a memoir : European authorities - described British as 'a people of the most savage ferocity, their crime of the deepest dye' and as evincing 'a sad and pitiful inferiority to the European mind'. Plus: In regards to the early British invasion of Tasmania. There were also American convicts sent to Tasmania and the Australian mainland. And in the American Penal colonies, the convicts were treated just as awful as the convicts in Tasmania. It is pretty short sighted to not recognise that?🤔 In 2023. Americans still believe that they are free settlers, Pilgrims?😆😅🤣😂 The American Thanksgiving holiday commemorates a tragedy. Yeah, a horrible thing the American white people did to the Native Americans, indeed. But, Britons sent their convict problems to the American Penal colonies way before Australia. For much longer period. And many many more convicts were sent to the United States. The first Poms in America were English speaking boat people and Irish and Scottish convicts' criminals, and 10 year old children, rejects from Britain, not Pilgrims. So yeah, the United States of America was a British Penal colony like Australia. Talk about living in a propaganda age and oppression, indeed. “America, the most propagandised of all nations” So yeah, the British make Hitler look like a cub scout. Plus: If Americans are so patriotic than why are they speaking English.😆😅🤣😂

[@DarrylGonzales]

Wait, the British aren't Europeans now? lol.

[@suecollins8199]

@@DarrylGonzales 😉

[@glennhumphries9444]

What the hell is a Truth Teller? Your opinion is not truth.

[@Lux-x4y]

The Europeans that came to Australia committed the most abhorrent racially motivated genocide and massacres body mutilations and child rpe of Aboriginals equal to any atrocity ever committed in the history of mankind. It will not be downplayed because another place Europeans committed premeditated racially motivated genocide and land theft didn't take more convicts from a failed English culture. It was and to a extent still the way Europeans ideology about other cultures peoples race creed and colour still believe to this day

[@suecollins8199]

Risdon Cove was set up in 1803, not 1804!! Convicts from NSW were sent there along with a few settlers of Caucasian origin & of course, a military force.

[@Lux-x4y]

Planned racially motivated genocide the most evil of atrocities equal to the worst treatment in human history

[@clancycalwyn8557]

They wiped out tribe's on main land to some tribe's no longer with us . Im Aboriginal and where I'm from tribe's are missing they have been wiped out. Just letting you know. And i am Aboriginal.

[@stevenwex8966]

In the USA it looks like the English made the mistake of not claiming enough land, and look what happen, knew it was better to claim the East Coast from start, which was already claim by Spain as you said. And you didn't say anything about Frances claim of New Holland, but France be-headed it's Queen and King so we will never know. So the English claimed the lot. I forgot Canada, if England wasn't in Canada it would now be part of the USA has well. That boarder got drawn quickly and easily. Expects say that the ingenious population in the 1900 in Australia had no more then 120,000 and only been increasing since, and estimate that the population in 1770 was 770,000 and 85percent were killed in the eighteen hundreds by Virus and Mass killings which is just a lied. Sending to many male convicts comparted to Female at the start in Australia was a mistake. Australia's population in 1900 was 3.8 million and we sail around the country not drive thought the center. Australia need a boarder but the Ingenious didn't know about USA land claiming.

[@Lux-x4y]

Aboriginal population was approximately 300'000 to 1000'000 and the diaries and logs of almost entire shipments of ammunition given the sustained genocide of Aboriginals was documented as what felt like discharging bullets for hours at a time each encounter with aboriginals. The mistake was underestimating the aboriginal population believing they were scarcely spread and only inhabited the coastal areas of the continent. What transpired was a plan to claim terra nallius then fix that lie with total genocide of mainland Aboriginals just like they did in Tasmania. The oversight was 200 years of sustained genocide murder and from first encounter rpe of females and aboriginal girls

[@stevenwex8966]

The English had the Zulu Wars in South Africa, which was also around the time of the first Boar War, but I don't really understand what the Zulu war was about. The Zulu's won the first war when the English were charged by the Zulu's when the English were armed with Smooth Muzzle Muskets. In the next battle the English brought with them a Gatling Guns and the Zulu charged and never saw seen anything like a Gatling Gun before. Wikipedia say 6000 Zulu killed and 2000 English killed by it wasn't anywhere near a genocide because the Zulu Kingdom had a population of 250,000. Was the war about Diamonds or did the English feel threaten by the Zulu Army and the English had stamp the authority. Still a Dick Move by the English.

[@Mulubhubesi]

There were a few factors. But to simplify it. Diamonds...

[@willjayden]

Christianity👹 the mental emotional spiritual imbalance to real self. Tauught nothing just controlled made mental to go invade massacre rape torture. Take away children. Its everywhere nit jyst tasmanua. ITS NOW TOO. Ppl just controlled. 2000rs . Have ti undrrstand education system medical system mental health systen foster care jaiks etc its all backward ways. NO HEALING AT ALL. Taught ego, money, work. Zero foundation we get. Its all oppsite. See amerixa all ppl living in street homeless. Underlying mist is christianity Church Bilble is opposite of real jesus. This is why. It doesnt exist with jesus. Its business. FEAR GUILT CONTROL POWER. Money money. Ive only seen it make ppl mental on all levels. I mean blocked to self.

[@jimmyboy2]

Cook never claimed Australia was terra nulIius. It was in 1835, Governor Richard Bourke's proclamation that made this claim... please do some homwork before pushing propaganda. Further Cook sails the east coast in 1770 ... why? There’s increasing concern that New England will cut ties with the motherland where petty criminals are sent. Sure enough independence is declared in 1776. It takes England 12 years to organise plans to send criminals to Terra Australis and two more voyages from Cook ending in the years 1775 and 1780. When they land the claim the headlands around Botany Bay and Sydney harbour ... not the country. As described by James Busby "the empire was aquired in a state of absent mindedness". There was no evil plan by the monarchy. There were bad players often acting outside of offical orders ... there were some instances were official orders definitely racist, murderous, and down right evil (and should not be forgotten) but on the whole, most people sent down under were just trying to survive and make a better life for themselves. If it wasn't the British, then who? France, Portugal, Spain, the Netherlands, Arabs, Chinese, etc... take your pick. In the age of sail the world was being consumed by whoever dominated and who did ot first. Of all the European options, the English aren't too bad ... the first nation to abolish slavery. History complicated, far more complicated that we can know.

[@نظرياتديجيمونية]

Taz's mania.

[@zexen360]

I don't believe it was sparsely inhabited

[@chuddyduddy]

Facts don't care about your feelings

[@zexen360]

@@chuddyduddy your facts are written by men fuddyduddy

[@putrinisa4600]

Sungguh kejam

[@LindaBurles-c4g]

TASMANIA [ I AM SATAN] 🙃

[@MickStringer-v9w]

its still like that in tasmania today with the high hierachy shit.

[@hanbaal]

No more than anywhere else.

[@Lux-x4y]

​@@hanbaalway more than anywhere else it's demons land where the kings eyes could not see and all of mana worst human behaviours exist to this day incest and evilness greed and racist ideology

[@k20t30pl]

What about the genocide/ethnic cleansing of the Australian pigmies by Tasmanian Aboriginals who were prevalent throughout Tasmania after being largely forced to live in Tasmania after being slaughtered by Aboriginals throughout Australia. Not only is there archeological evidence, but there are also written records from Chinese sailors who witnessed this in around 400AD and by Dutch sailors. On top of this, there are written records, even news articles within national archives, of aboriginal tribes practicing cannibalism. I can go on even about how aboriginal tribes were killing kids who were half aboriginal and were saved by white people. They were part of the 'so called' stolen generation. Need I go on. Should there be criminal investigations into all this? Let's get the big picture of what really happened back then. Let's get back to reality.

[@chuddyduddy]

That's a myth to try and justify the genocide the colonists perpetuated on the aborigines, as if one genocide could possibly justify another. Quit telling yourself fairy tales because you don't have the mental fortitude to grapple with reality.

[@hanbaal]

There were no pygmies, thats hilarious.

[@k20t30pl]

@hanbaal it was well known in North Queensland. There was a news paper article that showed pictures of the last tribe in North Queensland. There is plenty of fact based evidence. So please, stop being racist.

[@Alberthoward3right9up]

You call someone racist after the garbage you just vomited up. 😂😂. Mate you do realise this story and the original inhabitants the kiwis ate is a made up story to justify invasion. I'd you state they did it before we did it some how makes it ok in people's memories. Kids do it too. It's a coping mechanism. It's bullshit too

[@TribalCashAA]

Now that Tasmanians are extinct there are actually fully white people claiming they are indigenous Tasmanians. One of them says says "How might Aboriginal identity manifest itself in Palawa people, when we have been officially pronounced as extinct? What is the nature of Tasmanian Aboriginal knowledge, and how can we consider it within our new Western paradigmatic setting?" " That is a fully white person, the quote is from his page on the internet.

[@hanbaal]

Not fully white. There are still a lot of people with aboriginal dna.

[@Lux-x4y]

​@@hanbaalthey are the product of genocide via rpe

[@SN00PIE]

We wuz kangz n shiet boiii

[@frankielove31]

They did some fabulous work making Tasmania safe

[@Doviderus]

This is best antidote against the stupid imperial prides and fanatic nationalism. British Empire started the colonial system in the very moment that the English thought of "Great Britain". They simply exported, spred, these methods from Ireland and Scotland to every corner of the world worthy of a "British Plantation". Nonetheless, the Tasmanian colonization takes the human degradation very close to the Holocaust borders.

[@Lux-x4y]

Atrocities born from mankind's most extreme sinful evil human behaviour born from greed superiority and power. It can't be downplayed it reached further than any of the world's previous atrocities committed in history and frighteningly it's legally condoned as a way of life and it's called modern civilization under the Commonwealth backed by nuclear weapons