POLICE Demand Name & Address on Random Vehicle Stops

[@Ontheroadtourism]

My experience with the Police over the last few years is that you are guilty until proven innocent. I am 58 , bald and have tattoos, but also a company director and free lance journalist. I was stopped by the police and told "I am used to dealing with people like you" I asked him what he meant by that and received no reply. They have become much more aggressive and combative and seem to want to provoke a reaction. Say as little as possible when it comes to the Police.

[@TayWoode]

Yep, they try and provoke a reaction so they have a reason to arrest you

[@elizabethanthony3916]

​@@TayWoode One good reason to be polite.

[@garry843]

And then you get the comment " I can smell something on your breath" as an excuse to poke around until they turn up something that gives them the opportunity to go to the station for a cuppa and do paperwork.

[@Richard500]

@@DM-ur8vc I bet you are a tad proactive?

[@Ontheroadtourism]

@@DM-ur8vc I am lucky enough to live in very nice small village in Chichester Harbour and was burgled whilst we were in bed. The next morning I called the Police who told me they were too busy to attend and to make a report online. Never heard a thing. Then I had someone on my property and they had broken into my summer house. I called the Police who said it would be two or three hours until they had someone available to attend. My response was well I will remove them myself after which I was told that I did I would be arrested.

[@rayh3159]

Vehicle documents are available to a police officer by access to DVLC and online data, which seems to be the easiest route for p.c to check all those documents without a driver actually having to produce paper copies.

[@MrJimWinter]

In 1988 less things, were on a database name and your insurance, your tax, your license and everything can be ascertained by just reading your numberplate.

[@hawkslayers1]

I am old but its a sad day when you fear being stopped by a police officer for many different reasons now and your safety is one of them

[@ncmcdonnell5486]

Especially if you are a woman.

[@glennwall552]

Always had been in NSW Australia since I got beaten up by the rolling squad or Jump out boys they appear out of no were and just bash youth in groups of two or more before screaming " Go home!" I was on my way to work as a baker! 2 am. Later in life Uniformed police stopped these thugs bashing and abusing us...leave them alone they're good boys so why are you doing this?" Shrug.....to this day @70 yrs old I'm uncomfortable with cops.

[@tazuk01]

It's not a fear, it's just a new age of idiots giving safety as a pathetic excuse to argue.

[@BRIZVIZ]

@Brightfart2 what drugs are you on

[@lesigh1749]

@brightfart Thats a very niaeve view. The police in the NE of England abused their power like every other police force did over the last few years.

[@ClarkeZor]

When I was a young man in my first car I was stopped 5 times within a month under section 163, they checked everything, tyres, lights, indicators etc every time, after a complaint to the police for harassment I wasn't stopped ever again.

[@colinjones9211]

Years ago I got stopped twice within 10 minutes, both for expired tax. The second constable was quite miffed he had been picked to the post buy another officer.

[@hannahalice1000]

When a officer asks you why they pulled over, the most truthful response is "because you can".

[@gonnahavemesomefun]

You're better saying "to check my documents, insurance, tax, MOT, etc" - as the advice is, do not say you don't know, otherwise you are then guilty of whatever they decide!! ie: you didn't know you were speeding.

[@madmaximilian5783]

@hannahalice1000• nahhh my response would be is "how much do you want this time you " f-ing crook !!!

[@douglastodd1947]

Better saying ,, as i've not broken any laws . i m wondering why myself.

[@brianmckinnon4591]

Cos I let you !

[@Anton-Kant]

this question does evaluate the officers ego. if they said you looked dodgy (potentially dangerous or dishonest or unreliable) RRespect, cause if you were a criminal then you wouldnt look dodgy, just drive a civic then just be cool .... but not too cool

[@fartypants5696]

Great video... too many folk watching USA audits where the law is different.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

Where did they get their laws from??? Who owns America?? is it the queen; now the king of England?

[@74yodinosaur99]

​@@leavemyrightsalone America has got nothing to do with the UK. They have their own rules and laws. We, the UK, are a MONARCHY, they are a republic. Canada is under the Monarchy, and happy to be so, but they have their own laws.

[@happyjonn9242]

@@leavemyrightsalone the Queen is dead.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@happyjonn9242 Yeah I know, her head is on paper symbolizing that fact!!

[@adelejones3746]

Can't use breathalysers on the road side in the USA because it breaches one of the amendments. Thus the nonsense with sobriety tests.

[@Richard500]

In over 50 years of driving, I have only ever had ONE difficult interaction with a police officer in relation to a traffic incident. I was following the marked vehicle that was signalling to turn left, as was I. We turned and he suddenly braked just over halfway into the turn, leading to me getting rather too close but not in any way close enough to run into him. He leapt out of his car, stormed up to me and demanded to know what speed I was doing, how close was I to his car and what was the stopping distance at 10 Mph before I could open my mouth he demanded to know what I was following him. He never asked for my details he just kept on and on asking why I was following him despite me explaining repeatedly that I was going to park NEXT TO HIM outside the shop he was going into. After and extended rants and me being rather like a goldfish unable to get a word in edgewise, he stomped off leaving me standing next to his patrol car. I think he had a moment of clarity at some point as he came out of the shop pushing past me and off he went never to be seen again.

[@kateboulton8789]

I think I would have noted his number and reported that. Whatever had happened, either in his professional or personal life to make him so paranoid, he was clearly not in a fit state of mind to be behind the wheel of any vehicle, particularly, imo, a police car.

[@alandavies55]

As an old Priest who uses a small motorcycle as daily transport, I am often stopped by the Police, I always give my details when asked, usually with no problems. However I regard my destination as my business. This has caused a problem on two occasions, but I will stick to this, as I do not want the housebound people I am going to visit to be harassed on my account by some of the miss fits we now have in the UK Police.

[@super_happy_alien509]

"Some" no. not some i would say 51% is "misfits" 51% of the Poilce are Corrupt. When you read the complaints about the poilce. it starts with one then a 2nd offcier will turn a blind eye to what a misfit cop is doing. so you can 2x any Complaint. in 24 + years of start to Finish Cop vs Civ Vids Online I NEVER seen a Cop tell other cops they gorn to far or out of order and never seen them Subdue a Cop who using too much force on a Civy. Some lol.

[@summerrr1]

It’s none of their business. Tell them to take a hike.

[@forthfarean]

@@alandavies55 A Constable has the right to stop any motor vehicle ,or vehicle , on a road. He has no right to know your destination unless it is relevant to a crime.

[@KieranFoot]

Young people these days think every video they see online applies to them, including ones from America. In America, a police officer does need a reason to initiate a traffic stop, but not here. Good to see you getting correct information out there.

[@markbarrett8180]

Very good advice - being polite generally ends up with a better result. Whether that’s with the police or anywhere else fir that matter

[@ibrstellar1080]

Some Police are vile and uniformed thugs.

[@Berlitz81]

@Dougal Douglas If a cop is ''out to get you'' being bolshy only serves to dig a deeper hole for yourself. Holding out an ''Olive Branch' by being tactically subservient might just swing things in your favour. Adopting an attitude of ''them and us'' and accepting that you have no ability through diplomacy to influence the outcome of any interaction with the police bears all the hallmarks of a resentful loser.

[@Brizlebird]

Yes, better lube up because their poor little egos cant cope with anyone treating them with a small percentage of the contempt most of them have for the public.

[@thomas.parnell7365]

Generally I treat people and the police on a case by case basis if they polite and professional I'm the same.if they all aggressive and shouty for no reason say act like a professional or I'm filing a complaint against on basis of unprofessional conduct now are going talk like adults or school children.

[@flyhi2773]

I can only say I used to respect the police but no more. Today far too many are thugs in a uniform and seemingly this is whats being recruited hence the incredible numbers of so called cops being prosecuted for serious crimes. And the ones getting national press are just the tip of the iceberg. We have an e mail at work printed and pinned to the wall telling our truck drivers to carry on driving to a safe area, mostly fuel stations covered by CCTV because either cops or criminals posing as cops have been pulling over trucks only to steal the truck and its contents. The police today are so bad Ive only read of as bad or worse despite having lived in third world countries where they werent great either but the lot here in the UK are worse. Thugs in a uniform.

[@bleakyfinder2692]

From my driving experience of over 50 years, most Police Officers do not even present themselves with their Name, Collar Number and from which Police Station that they are based. This unfortunately are New Police Officers without any Life Skills. They are arrogant.

[@RogersRamblings]

In the early 1980s I owned and drove both a van and a motorcycle. On occasions if I was going away for a weekend or longer I would load the bike into the van and take it with me. As I was returning home late one evening the police pulled me over, having stopped for a mid-journey pint earlier I was a tad nervous and when the police officer came to my door I asked if there was anything amiss. He assured me it was just routine but did say that having seen the bike in the back of the van they were making sure it wasn't stolen. While his colleague checked my details and that both vehicles were registered to me we had a chat, put the world to rights and parted on good terms.

[@garrywatters1140]

Different breed of copper back then.

[@shinkansenshinkansend8316]

Had a very similar experience when buying a bike in Swindon. Someone saw it being loaded into my van and called the Police. They stopped me, checked the purchase receipt, that the V5c had been filled in etc, we all went on our ways happy, no producer etc. I was actually happy that they were taking reasonable action to try to deal with what could have been a bike theft.

[@nct948]

@@shinkansenshinkansend8316 very sensible. Why can't people recognise that most policemen are genuinely trying to get society running smoothly as intended by the laws of the country?

[@dalet1001]

@@garrywatters1140 not really ... same thing would happed today in most cases. Police have had to respond to changes in society as well though, so as said in the video, if you are polite then that is pretty much always returned by the officer.

[@hb1338]

@@nct948 Cue rant about entitled and self-righteous people.

[@stephenholmes1036]

Excellent advice i have found by being very polite regardless of/if provocation by the police is the best practice. Just give your name and address and name and address of the owner, DOB, and vehicle documents. Just be ultra polite

[@davesmart8414]

And give away your rights too

[@stephenholmes1036]

@@davesmart8414 no not at all, Have you listened to the advice? One of my brother in laws is a barrister and has confirmed the law

[@davesmart8414]

@@stephenholmes1036 Only s 165 allows that

[@andrewcoupe9528]

@@davesmart8414 Do you have some sort of disability, because if you don't, the truth is much much worse.

[@Bodkin_Ye_Pointy]

Love your optimism with regards to police attitudes towards the public. Although I will qualify my experience with the fact that I live in Australia. Here, the police are armed, dress like soldiers and immediately apply a dominating attitude towards the public. The best method of dealing with them is to comply with requests, provide documentation but do not be intimidated by them and ask for details of any offence they find you guilty of plus how they came to that conclusion. My last experience with a police officer changed immediately the officer believed he was on being recorded on dash cam.

[@kenjohnson3174]

I am fortunate enough to have had a dash cam when accused by another motorist of doing all sorts of things one of which was to point a gun at him and his then girlfriend . I had to go to crown court and could have gone to prison The police officer lied in crown court along with the prime and second witness. I like a fool I handed over the footage to the police and my barrister at one point doubted it still existed When I was interviewed some months later I was convinced the other car was a VW but in the video I was shown during the interview it was a Renault After I left I was convinced the video was corrupt and had been edited It took over 18 months to get to court and took 5 days to conclude You can imagine my surprise when the other car had turned back into a VW.. But even more surprised was the prime witness when it was shown on a large screen in court which proved every aspect of what he said happened was wrong. This did not surprise me because during his brake checking and gesturing out of his car window along with foul mouthed obscenities he was probably under the influence as 2 weeks after that incident the police stopped him and he was 5 times over the legal limit of cocaine in his blood. He was on the front page of the local paper. What I haven't been able to work out is the police new this and still went ahead with my case as him as the main witness of two. Why they turned up at court is still perplexing to me Anyway not guilty on all charges Get a dash cam!

[@stewartmercer19]

@@kenjohnson3174 99 percent of my driving is via a Ford Transit connect van It's a lease via my company and and I can't make any alterations , as in installing a rear camera and I've only, got a front facing camera. Installed by me bought by me. It has been raised to my company but it's a case of....pfff. Miffed I cant get a rear one...Anyway. What just getting my dash cam has made me more deliberate on the road and a shit more aware.. It isn't until you see on playback at times. What a load of utter, clueless tossers there are about. I've had two accidents in two years. Both went to court. I was the accused. My company...Yeah those people who who won't let me install a rear camera did support me by providing legal support...probably only through me sending off a copy of both instances of video, showing I was blameless. I also sent copies of to a private solicitor....just in case...none to the police nor did i make it aware I had a recording to the guilty or the police.,.. The police on both events made me make out I was at fault. Videos where only shown in court. Completely fecking up the statements and Polices statements. As like you say.....GET A DASH CAM!

[@5ynthesizerpatel]

@@kenjohnson3174 wait - so there is a legal limit of cocaine - tell me more

[@elgamerico]

As much as i hate that the police have the power to pull over anyone without any reason, it's something that EVERY DRIVER on the roads should know, from the moment they pass their test. There's no excuse for not knowing..

[@seraphina985]

They should know that before then, their driving instructor should have told them about this during their driving training. It is part of the rules of the road which it is their job to train prospective drivers on after all.

[@tilerman]

100%

[@tilerman]

@Richard Fox Same here. A good friend of mine is a Police Officer and he's a fair decent bloke. And like a lot of traffic officers, they have a 6th sense. He knows what to look out for, certain make cars, certain models, certain ages etc etc. And he stops them and 9 times out of ten, he comes up trumps with something. And some of the stories he's told me, im also glad they have this power. There's a lot of naughty people out there and i'm happy they get caught. And for the decent folk he pulls over he's very lenient and would much prefer to offer advice.

[@elgamerico]

@@seraphina985 Certainly don't disagree with this and that's kinda the point i'm getting at.

[@robertwillis4061]

Are you sure it is every cop? I was led to understand it was only Traffic Police that could do this. It was originally from 70years ago before the Police had computers and lists of vehicle owner's and drivers. With the advent of ANPR this became to a degree less necessary, however it was never changed.

[@johnschlesinger2009]

If the officer is in a police vehicle he/she will almost always access the registered keeper's name, address, and date of birth directly from the DVLA database. And the date of birth of a driving licence holder is encoded simply in the driver number.

[@fredbloggs5902]

Yes, and?…

[@davegb99]

They will have access to the registered keeper’s details but that doesn’t mean that that person is driving. They will also be able to check that someone has a specific licence but to do that they need to ask the driver their name, address and date of birth. So that they can check. It doesn’t follow that the keeper is the driver.

[@Kentworlds]

​@@davegb99 exactly

[@radman8321]

Yes and then when the driver can't come up with the name of the keeper suspicion will be raised that the car might be stolen.

[@gingernutpreacher]

What the black belt barrister didn't mention is they won't accept insurance documents as drivers have been made to eat hours if the ANPR is down

[@peter2346]

I pulled to road next to junction on M3 because my cat wanted a loo (his litter tray which was in a boot) - it was late in the evening. stopped and takn the said tray to car. Police patrol appeared and they asked do you need help. I explained furry friend wanted loo and they started laughing all was very pleasant conversation and no problem whatsoever! btw kitty was 9kg Maine Coon ;-) like a small Puma!

[@DovidM]

Since few people have seen such a beast close up, that must have been an eye opener for them!

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

A adult Maine Coon looks nothing like a Puma.

[@nickwinn7812]

As someone who looked underage when I first had a moped back in the 70's, I got pulled over an aweful lot. And it pissed me off. However, I quickly learned that argueing with police officers on the side of the road would only give me more hassle (and I worked out they were only doing their job after all). So - I sellotaped all of my documents together and carried them with me at all times. I smiled and was polite whenever i was stopped. Bingo! 2 or 3 minutes beside the road with a sometimes initially mocking, but always after he'd seen my papers polite officer and i was off. And I got stopped less often - probably word got around the local traffic cops that that little kid on the PC50 was OK. years later this approach paid off when I got pulled for speeding (legitimately) and of course I was polite and had all of my documentation in order and ready for inspection and admitted to the officer concerned (before he cautioned me) that i was going a bit too fast for the prevailing conditions.He looked me up and down and told me to be more careful in future. So, don't get into un-necessary tangles with police officers, and - remember they are human, they can make mistakes, they can have bad days, they can be bullies, they can be perfectly reasonable people. Meet them eye to eye with some empathy and your encounter is less likely to go tits up.

[@happyjonn9242]

i had the same problem, so i tattooed my driving licence number to my forehead, sames me a lot of time.

[@ruadhagainagaidheal9398]

Yes , they are human. And as thick in the head as shite in the neck of a bottle.

[@trevorferguson6222]

There's "doing their job" and there's doing their job with the pure intention of showing who's boss by means of intimidation & bullying - yes, it happens - more frequently than most people want to believe. If possible you should always film any and every interaction with the police. Many police officers have poor memories and their version of events is often nothing like the real thing.

[@noneofyourbuizness]

​@@happyjonn9242 wow brililiant idea

[@TheSLUser]

Exactly get up in the cops face is you just being a fool, You are being Car/Bike/Van Karen, its like the poor girls on the Tills in stores who get shouted at many times a day by a Karen over stupid things.... The second you start getting in to the cop they react by showing you are NOT in control like you think you are.... I too got pulled over a lot when i was a kid on my moped BUT that was because two cops that tried to arrest me for underage driving Failed to take not of a BIG sign on a tree in 6 inch letters that said PRIVATE road. Yes i was in an old Land Rover but it was parked on private land nice tarmac road 20 feet from the main road, in a gateway so I could back up and turn. I parked up walked to the store a couple hundred yards away got my Mother the shopping she wanted and drove home cops followed lights on grabbed me and made me drop the shopping glass milk bottles shattering and were about to cuff me when my mother came out asked them wtf they were doing half hour later another officer came up took a look was told to go back down and look at the tree, he came back and told them to say sorry pay for the ruined shopping and go away....After that i got pulled over every time one of these two guys saw me on my moped first few time it was just had to take documents to the station. After the 70 something time i had been pulled over my dad went to the station with all the papers i had been given and asked the guy behind the desk why these two idiots were harassing me and if it did not stop he would go to the press with the papers that showed full well that they knew i was legal and had everything but were still pulling me over for the same thing over and over to waste my time....I gather they were relocated to other stations far away within a couple weeks

[@phubblewubbphubblewubb]

Feeling that one needs film the Police to protect oneself is a tragic state of affairs, sadly the standards within the force have been repeatedly proven to have fallen so low that citizens now fear the Police whether innocent or guilty.

[@PanglossDr]

It is not tragic, it is pure idiocy on the part of the people who do it.

[@tonywoodford9164]

You don't need to film them . Feeling you do has more to do with social media than anything else

[@davet2555]

I think part of the problem is that now every time the police get something wrong it receives a lot of publicity and creates a climate of fear; this is not good. In my experience, which is limited, is that the vast majority of coppers do a good job and that gets lost in the bad press. However, if videoing interactions makes people more comfortable, then why not

[@Zakalwe76]

Are you a white male?

[@seamusburke9101]

​@@PanglossDryou obviously have no experience of dealing with the police. They are corrupt and therefore highly dangerous.

[@aledroberts6151]

Great video, very informative and balanced as always.

[@AT-ytinvasive]

Thank you for taking the time to educate people on their rights and how the relevant laws apply to them. It's nice to have a calm, no bs, explanation. 👍

[@TheRealSwampOperator]

Lol " educate people on their rights" In the UK its simple.. you don't have any

[@kathyotoole4608]

Even here in the US, you have to provide your drivers license, registration, and insurance card if you are pulled over in a vehicle. However, the police do need a reason to stop you. Also, in many states, the passengers do not have to identify themselves during a motor vehicle stop. I think the difference is our right against self incrimination.

[@BethlynnGreen12]

Legally in the US they can only ask you these things if they're investigating you for a crime but I think most people don't realize that so people comply I'm hoping people are done complying the government and all its entities I've overstepped their bounds 🇺🇸

[@1maico1]

What do you mean even here? In the UK we don't have id. cards and it is not a requirement to carry a drivers license or insurance documents in the car.

[@andrewcoupe9528]

@@1maico1 But it is to provide details so checks can be made.

[@Anonymous_1_1]

Good advice as always. A reminder though that you should be extremely cautious of answering any of the police's questions unless legally obliged to do so and the passengers do not have to identify themselves unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime that they may be complicit in.

[@Government-must-fall]

You should NOT Talk to police at all! Anything you say will be used "against" you.. NOT for you! I have the right to remain silent. Maxims in law: No man shall be expected to bare witness against themselves. The burden of proof lies upon the claimant. Say no more than the bare minimum. Name, address, and you don't know when you were born, because you wasn't aware of times and dates when you were born, and did not make a note of it 👍🏻

[@stuartofblyth]

@@Government-must-fall Birth date is encoded in your driver number on the licence, which the policeman will ask for.

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

@@stuartofblyth It's not just part of your Licence Number, but it is stated explicitly on the licence too. I suspect they ask your date of birth as proof it is your Driving Licence.

[@Martin-lc1sk]

Always remember to be polite, even if you disagree with the police. Anger, abuse etc does not help

[@secretsquirrel6124]

Invoke your right to silence

[@rogerramjet6429]

These comments are just full of dumb boot lickers.

[@andrewcoupe9528]

@@secretsquirrel6124 And promptly get arrested for failing to give details, very clever. Brain of a squirrel me thinks.

[@rob8493]

@@secretsquirrel6124you don’t have a right to silence if you are driving snd they request your details. If you don’t have a license on you, you have to provide your name and address. Failing to do so is an offence and this is when they give you a producer.

[@etiennedevignolles7538]

@@secretsquirrel6124 Why not just do the name, rank, serial number thing when asked? Far better than being antagonistic to the Police.

[@madmick9205]

This is why I subscribe to the channel. I am basically pretty dumb, but clever enough to know where to get my info and knowledge from. My subscribed to list is pretty short!

[@markrandle1963]

Very informative, thank you although the HORT/1(producer or sevenday wonder) is very rarely issued these days as all insurance/ licence/mot/ vel details are available at the roadside, so only if the system was down would it revert to old school.

[@buxvan]

Police officer, no give me producer ! Smiley culture.

[@eifionjones559]

Strangest police stop I ever had when I was driving home one afternoon when a police car with blue lights pulled me over. I compiled when safe to do so, The copper walked over asked to see my documents , I showed him, usual " is this your car sir?" again I said yes. He beckoned his partner over, I asked what was the problem, his answer surprised me. Nothing sir but can we sit in the back as we have never been in one of these . I was driving my Rolls Royce in working jeans and t shirt. Sure I said in surprise unlocking the doors. Once in and chatting they asked if they could smoke as I was . They went on to explain this was luxury for them as they are not allowed to smoke in a police car They did ask what I did for a living to which I replied Dock master of a small fishing port. They replied "we are in the wrong job mate" It was a strange encounter but to be honest a pleasant one

[@kimamey]

You don't say when this was but in recent years I would have thought smoking in the back of your vehicle would be against the law as it would then be their place of work. My brother in law is an installer for Sky. When they are working within the house, apparently they can ask for the owner to not smoke as it's their place of work at that time.

[@stevekeys262]

That’s just abuse of authority

[@eifionjones559]

@@stevekeys262 not really it was a friendly encounter, and they gave me a cig

[@eifionjones559]

@@kimamey lighten up

[@kimamey]

@@eifionjones559 I actually gave your post a like. I was just pointing out that, depending on when this happened, they may have been breaking the law. The part about my brother in law I know to be true. I have no need to lighten up. You seem to be allergic to facts so I'm sorry upset you. Perhaps it's you that needs to lighten up

[@davestechandtrek]

Thank you for the clarification. Always good to hear this from a professionals point of view.

[@folkmoot36]

The aforementioned road traffic acts are ultra virus. It have been proven in court many times, that under common law you are entitled to your anonymity whether traveling in a car or walking down the street. The police assume you are drive which is a commercial term and not traveling in the private.

[@TheKievKen]

Shocking that this was something so many people seem to strangle to understand. Weird too, as we have all seen videos of what happens when you refuse to stop for the police. Chased and arrested.

[@darthgrimsdale9394]

If you get pulled over are you obliged to get out of your car and/or get into the back of a police car? If so, how would this effect lone female drivers, bearing in mind recent cases in the media regarding predatory male police officers?

[@jacko717]

You're under absolutely no obligation to sit in the police car unless you've been arrested (obviously.) I did say once when I was stopped and told to "come and sit in my vehicle" .."thank you officer but I'll stay where I am for now.'

[@geordiewishart1683]

I know that the Police Federation on England and Wales have been petitioning to get the traffic legislation updated in this regard as the only onus on a driver is to stop. It would enhance safety if the legislation specified that a driver etc had to exit the vehicle in order for police to conduct a particular function or task.

[@richardgiles2484]

Why just loan female drivers? What about a loan male driver? After all, we are all equal ?????🤣

[@leavemyrightsalone]

The police can't take NO for an answer, so when you get asked to get out your can and refuse, record everything. Your windows are going through and you are being kidnapped. No one likes NO and the people vetted for the police hate NO!! LUCIFER will not be made to look a fool..

[@nickwinn7812]

@@BBBCP-564pawyt Get over yourself!

[@AcanthaDante]

About ten years back I was living in Surrey and some Essex cops were helping out due to massive flooding in the area at the time. Two of them stopped me on a road that had not long prior had its speed limit reduced at about 3am so I was not the most prompt to stop because I was debating whether or not to go to the layby further down for their safety. In the end I pulled over and admitted as much, and they just said, "Thanks, but let us worry about that." On the other hand, I had a big fight with a fireman because I couldn't go home without going through a road closure put down by the fire service while they were putting out a fire in a nearby field. My house at that time was on an easily missed dirt road and I assume he wasn't aware of it.

[@thegreatvincenzo8159]

Under the old Fire Services Act 1947, a fireman could order a road closure where there was a fire. Even the Chief Con' couldn't object as it was the law, the fire brigade were in charge. Don't know what the new law says.

[@63phillip]

In America police set up road blocks all the time to randomly check cars for license and registration. This is a daily ocurance.

[@nickname1812]

Good advice as usual. And my 5 decades experience of Traffic Officers? Sadly, NEVER EVER a positive one. I have no doubt their belligerent and usually arrogant, patronising approach to drivers is to see if they can escalate the situation. Be polite, comply (within what appears reasonable - especially if a woman) and say as little as necessary.

[@markknight6267]

My father told me to be polite and respectful to the police officer stopping me regardless of the reason for the stop and I have always followed that advice even when the officer has been confrontational to start with. The result has always been that the situation has immediately de-escalated and has usually been resolved amicably.

[@Treblaine]

Strange the duty is of the ordinary untrained layman to de-escalate rather than the trained professional that has all the power. Even when you excplicitely say the authority figure instigated confrontation. When people get accosted on the street and accused of serious wrongdoing the natural inclination is to respond to such rudeness in kind, but when it's a police officer stopping you for literally no reason - not even an apparent misapprehension - you have to validate his power over you with politeness? How do you politely tell someone they're a tyrant?

[@cologne2792]

@@Treblaine How do you politely tell someone they're a tyrant? Politely.

[@Treblaine]

@@cologne2792 Tyrants are very easy to offend.

[@nickwinn7812]

@@Treblaine Ok, you drive a motor vehicle on the road, or ride a biciycle on the road, so you accept the authority of the police to stop you without needing a reason. You have already agreed to that. Calm down, treat the policeman or woman as your equal human being who is doing the job you have signed up to them doing. If you have done nothing wrong, or commited only a very minor offence, you will, in all likelihood find yourself back on the road in a few minutes with no major inconvenience. Kick off about your "rights" and you can expect a lengthy delay and prosecution. Your choice,

[@nickwinn7812]

@@cologne2792 Spot on!

[@benjones4365]

Yes, there is a good reason to be antagonistic to the police, when you have been shafted by them too many times in the past.

[@utrinqueparatus4617]

Which is an equally valid and equally unintelligent reason for a police officer to be antagonistic to you 'because he has been shafted by the public too many times in the past'.

[@benjones4365]

@@utrinqueparatus4617 I as an ordinary citizen who is doing anything wrong, do not wish to interact with the police. It is them that interact with me, but if he cannot cope with they're job then they should not be doing it in the first place.

[@uknighthuntingvision93]

I am surprized that people who have a full driving license are not aware of this!

[@Dan-oj4iq]

People who have hard core beliefs on this topic will never listen to any type of facts or reason such as presented here. They will go to their grave always believing that the police cannot stop them no matter what.

[@tonywright8294]

They are comonly known as morons

[@leavemyrightsalone]

The police are there to protect as they're under oath to protect and serve the public; however, but they're being trained to get money to serve the police corporation under LUCIFER! Remember, where do you go for a confession?? is it a church and get your penance, or a police station and they increase their profit?

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

@@leavemyrightsalone It must be a worrying life for you. Actually, Police Constables have an oath to that they solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that they will well and truly serve the King in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that they will to the best of their power; cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming Wayne couzins was a mere dream that didn't happen, thank gould for that. All the rioting in France where the police are dressed up as soldiers is a mere nightmare. The police in America abuse the Constitution and make sure no one has their right to freedom and liberty. What a deluded world you live in. Brexit, wow!! You must be thankful that happened, now we got more than 40,000 illegals in 5 star hotels. So I guess all that voting worked. WAKE UP!!!

[@soupdragonuk]

@@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming Except we all know that's not true. Too many officers haven't got a scooby about certain laws. They go in bull-headed, and don't for get the fact that a lot of officers are going for criminal actions. The majority of the public no longer have faith in the police at all.

[@user-dd7fw8ox3c]

They use a legal dictionary to get us. But the legal meaning of "Driver" is someone acting in commerce, if you are not being paid, you are not driving you are travelling and not subject to the same laws, we have a right to "travel without fee let or hinderance" driving is very specific.. look it up in a legal dictionary to confirm I am telling the truth.

[@jorgecalero6325]

Just last week I was stopped near my house at night. Found a safe place to pull over, provided my licence while stating "I'm the registered keeper. The car is registered at the same address, I have insurance and mot and tax are up to date". "oh, we know that already". Checked my licence on his hand-held device and sent me on my way. No hassle.

[@shuggiemcg1]

Late at night they already knew your car was ok, I think this was a 163 to suss out if you had been out drinking or on the blag!

[@jorgecalero6325]

@@shuggiemcg1 that is correct. They already had my details through ANPR and just wanted to assess whether I was impaired.

[@rob8493]

@@jorgecalero6325had your details through PNC. They will check pnc which gives insurance details as well. Not all cops have access to anpr. Traffic cops snd static cameras only usually.

[@denisbassom172]

I have go away with doing some really stupid things in my younger days by being respectful, courteous and apologetic to police when pulled over...it doesn't hurt to try.

[@edeledeledel5490]

So long as they don't start with the usual bullshit.

[@Sailingon]

Same, never had an issue when pulled over. Be polite and friendly. I got away with a caution for speeding even though I knew the original car he was following from a great distance wasn't me. That car passed me like I was standing still and I was speeding just don't argue it always goes bad if you do.

[@somebodyelseuk]

Same here. I was a boy racer, back in thday. Had loud exhaust, pulled, cop's opening line, 'Good afternoon, Win-commander. Are we cleared for take off?' Laughed my head off. Got a producer, and 5 days to fix the exhaust. Got away with speeding. Other occasion, had the wheels, front bumper nicked off my 16v Astra GTE a few weeks earlier. On my way to collect the number plate, having just picked up the new bumper, got pulled for not having a proper number plate... They'd turned a blind eye - they were the same officers who had attended when I reported it - but it was time it was sorted, they said. Producer and days... 2 hours later, l presented the fixed car and documents at the station... and they sung 'Happy Birthday' to me. They weren't always crooks.

[@joshua7466]

One that I do want to ask about is If someone is parked legally and wants to stay the night there and are within the law to do so and want to have a few drinks I know there is a charge of being in charge of the vehicle while intoxicated but surely common sense prevails no? I look forward to your answer Thank you

[@ChrisPage68]

My Dad was regularly stopped on his way home by the same cop after driving a cab all night. It was just him exerting his power. It's just taking the pee unless there's a legitimate reason.

[@ChrisPage68]

@@occamraiser Absolutely nothing. The Pig was on a wind-up.

[@Asshole88]

@@occamraiser people don't need reasons. Look at your example, you're implying his dad done something to antagonise the cop, so what did the cop do to deserve that and so on. People can be assholes for no reason.

[@nw8000]

Is he an Aisan?

[@edeledeledel5490]

Should have written to the chief constable by registered mail.

[@stuart207]

Using the phrase "pig" does not add gravitas to your comment..

[@philsaunders65]

When I was 19 yrs old, I was stopped by a Sussex Traffic PC doing speed-checks. He showed me the back of the speed-gun; 41mph in a 30mph limit… in thick fog. I received words of advice only. There’s a lot to be said for having good manners.

[@malfunction8165]

How do you prove you own a vehicle? The V5 says at the top Not proof of ownership, so what is proof of ownership??? As in a PCN it says Notice to owner, if I can't PROVE I own it who does???

[@Elfin4]

Don't forget to mention that you can also be requested to follow a DVSA Inspector/Officer if he puts his lights on in front of you so you must follow them to get your vehicle inspected. I didn't even know this was real, but they operate all our motorways and if you don't follow them to get your vehicle (any vehicle) inspected, expect them to follow you until the police arrive to assist.

[@kempshott]

Some police vehicles also have a matrix sign in the rear window. I've seen them display "follow me" on motorways to a stop somewhere safer.

[@rb5174]

Surely only commercial vehicles or cars with caravans , trailers, as that’s all they can inspect

[@Elfin4]

@@rb5174 They can pull in any vehicle. They are responsible for driver and vehicle safety

[@Turbomgzt]

Nah, I only pull over for blue lights. Anything else, I'd call the police if someone is trying to stop me on a highway with Anything but blue lights. Stay safe people.

[@Turbomgzt]

​@Elfin4 they do not carry warrant cards, therefore do not have power of arrest. What they gonna do, throw stones at you?

[@MarkGilligan4]

The problem isn't them having those powers, it is how they exercise them and the attitude of the police officer(s) to the driver and others. I have been stopped in these 4 or 5 times, all but one of those was quick easy and took very little time. The other involved an officer who really didn't want to be there and it showed in their attitude, no good evening, no please, no thank you and a tone which says it all. They have a job to do and I don't envy them that but manners can go a long way to getting the job done without people reverting to using their mobiles etc.

[@nickmaclachlan5178]

I'm 53 and haven't been stopped that many times in 35 years of driving..........

[@MarkGilligan4]

@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous Why am I a the problem, all I asked for was to be treated with dignity and respect when stopped randomly. As I said manners cost nothing. If I use manners when talking to a police officer surely I should receive that same in return or is that too much to ask for?

[@MarkGilligan4]

@@nickmaclachlan5178 I have worked in some bad areas and had to travel at odd times of the night.

[@TheTacticalHaggis]

I had sent off my licence to the DVLA to update my address. I hadn't updated my insurance with my new address (was waiting for the new licence to come through) I got pulled over as the DVLA had updated my address but not yet issued my new licence and my insurance had the old address on it. I hadn't had any ID to show when stopped but when answering the questions, I was asked to pull out my Facebook account to prove it was me.

[@TheRantyRider]

You were uninsured then. You do not have to wait for your licence to update your insurance. If you have home insurance and you move then your new house burns down but you hadn't updated your insurance because you were waiting to have the concil tax details changed over do you think you could claim? If you had an accident in that time your insurers would have refused the claim.

[@LossyLossnitzer]

"A Producer" in my time was called a "7 day wonder", I had to do it many times as a motorcyclist but it was never because I had an incident, it was just a random stop. Motorcyclist very rarely carry their documents around - No where to put them, but always carry your driving license in your wallet for when they scrape you up off the floor to identify you.

[@Cdr_Mansfield_Cumming]

Don't say that! I have had to scrape more than one poor motorcyclist off the road/road signs/car roof in my time and you are 100% right. Keep your photo license on you so your NOk can be quickly told.

[@hb1338]

My insurance company gives me a plastic card the same size as a credit card, which has on it all the details of my policy. Most police officers will accept it instead of the official certificate, which I keep safely at home.

[@kathyotoole4608]

@@hb1338 Some insurance cards can be accessed online so you can pull it up on your phone.

[@trevorferguson6222]

The police themselves often advise motorists not to carry their documents in the vehicle as in the event of a theft or break in there is stuff there to help the thieves. As you correctly point out the driving licence is usually in one's wallet.

[@edeledeledel5490]

They would get that from your bike registration. They need it before they start removing donor parts.

[@_chrisr_]

I was involved in a collision many years ago and had produced my driving license at the scene but didn’t have mot and insurance cert with me so was issued with a producer. I took the documents to the police station and they required my driving license as well even though it had already been produced. The force involved then also accused me of failing to provide a specimen of breath for testing, when I pointed out that no one had actually asked for it this annoyed them but reluctantly they let it go 🤣 (for the record, I would have been quite happy to give a sample which would have shown zero as I hadn’t had a drink for months probably)

[@macsmith6216]

If you’d supposedly refused to give a specimen of breath you’d have been arrested on the spot and taken to the station Porky pies maybe

[@_chrisr_]

@@macsmith6216 I had been taken by Air Ambulance to a hospital. I only heard about the failing to provide a specimen thing when they telephoned me to arrange the producer.

[@_chrisr_]

@@DM-ur8vc I think it varies, there was a time was I was pulled over on a motorway for speeding in a 50 zone for roadworks. I might have been exceeding that but an unmarked car was travelling behind close to me and I sped up to pull into to lane 2 to allow the agressive car past. When the car behind slowed down and followed me into lane 2 I realised that it might not just be an agressive driver. Anyway he pulled me over and I was just contrite and said there was a car travelling too close to me causing me to pull over - the officer apologised and that was the end of it.

[@macsmith6216]

@@_chrisr_ So even though you were so badly injured at the scene and required an air ambulance, you still managed to provide the police with some of your documents , I actually can’t stop laughing You do realise how stupid that comment is You’ve been caught lying, and are only making a bigger tit of yourself

[@macsmith6216]

@@DM-ur8vc And some people on here don’t live in the real world

[@maximisatwat]

Well, they can stop you perhaps, but I thought specifically the law says you are not required to carry a License? If they want you can bring it to the station within X days - the "producer" - as you mention. But that is the opposite of needing to carry a license. It says you can bring it later.if requested. Having your driving license in your car makes it easier to sell if stolen

[@DrMildayan]

What about if your documents are with the DVLA, for renewal for example? The DVLA website does mention this is a reasonable reason for not producing your documents. With the current speed at which the DVLA is currently operating, it could be months before your could produce your documents.

[@medler2110]

From my experience if you claim you can't produce your licence because its with DVLA the Police will check on the DVLA database.

[@nickmaclachlan5178]

Lies, I just changed the address on my licence and it literally came back return of post.

[@mcdon2401]

@@nickmaclachlan5178 that's a bit harsh. Just because you received your documents back quickly doesn't mean that will ALWAYS be the case. I've had instances in the past where I've posted documents in and had nothing back for weeks.

[@jakey1995abc]

@@nickmaclachlan5178 Lies, I did the same and it got sent to the wrong address.

[@medler2110]

​@@nickmaclachlan5178 If you're lucky it comes back quickly, but it also can get stuck in the system, if this wasn't the case there wouldn't be provision in Section 88 of The Road Traffic Act, to allow someone to drive even though they don't hold a current licence.

[@David8n]

I've been stopped a few times in the wee small hours randomly by the police. A quick, polite exchange and I've been on my way. I don't habitually carry my documents with me and I've never even been asked to produce them.

[@johnchipperfield3367]

all my documents are on my phone, apart from my licence obviously.

[@nswinoz3302]

@@johnchipperfield3367 interesting, are they considered legal documents or are they just carried that way for convenience? We never get asked for any of that as to be registered for road use, and they know it’s licence even before you get asked to stop. Our licence are also on our mobile now asa backup, but I’ve always carried a photo licence since before 1980 as you are fined for not carrying it.

[@Mr-J...]

​@@nswinoz3302 RTA holds provisions for showing your docs electronically. Further still, it provides provision for an officer to provide the means of access electronically to allow you to demonstrate your documents (license & insurance). Though the only way to do this is by putting your login details into an unknown device, so that's not something I will ne doing

[@davidbrown7883]

@@johnchipperfield3367 In the UK we don't even have, or want, national ID cards.

[@freespeechmatters583]

@@kriskcar Wouldn't you rather have facial scanning to let you into your front door, into restaurants, shops, countryside car parks etc. So much more convenient. That seems like a great future.

[@genome616]

Most of the time you will not need to provide any further documents after confirming title and address with some form of ID, a data check will confirm the vehicle is taxed and insured and to what cover is provided for who and if they have a valid driving licence for said vehicle.

[@martyndawson7484]

To me it seems like a one sided charter to bully whoever they choose.

[@hb1338]

No, it is the law of the land, which they are authorised to enforce.

[@loftyintentions1985]

​@@hb1338 please tell me this is sarcasm.

[@paulburke7390]

Is asking for your driving license and insurance bullying ?

[@martyndawson7484]

@@paulburke7390 There is no legal requirement to carry them. They do it to inconvenience people needlessly, so I would call that bullying. What happened to the presumption of innocence?

[@davidstewart7951]

The UK State always enacts laws that enable their agents to have the total advantage over the citizens of the land. Designed in a manner that is so broad, encompassing, they could arrest you for treading on the cracks of the pavement. Its all very well for certain people to quote that old nonsense on it being the law of the land & nothing to hide, nothing to fear, but, when you are constantly at risk or fear of the slightest misdemeanor, error or not, then it has become oppression by Lawfare, "Compared to the rest of the world, we have the best legal system". The only people i have heard spouting that old tosh is members of the UK legal system, or some one earning out of it in some manner or other..

[@wesmatron]

It's like their implied reason is to check your documents. That's all the 'reason' they need. If you get arsey, this could extend into an examination of your vehicle's roadworthyness.

[@rhine2779]

As stated earlier..... S.163 does not give police the power to stop...... stating only the obligation of the driver.... I would therefore suggest S.163 is read after the powers given to the police in sections 164 and 165. There you have the Power to stop followed by the obligation to stop.

[@good7saint]

The reason some people get argumentative when pulled over by the police. Are usually those who think the rules of the road don't apply to them

[@xhogun8578]

Or they think they are amazing drivers but are only amazing at driving erratically.

[@ianking8315]

not necessarily true they should have a reason not just to obtain details afterall its your identity and it should be private unless you have done something wrong.

[@ianking8315]

@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous no they are not they are as clear as mud.

[@Malpriorvids]

@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous please send me your full name, address, DOB, insurance docs, driving licence number. Thanks in advance.

[@stringer-ik1pc]

Most of the police are either rapists or crooks.

[@Ba1ster]

Great video! I wish u can educate more ppl that follow others and end up doing the wrong thing!

[@MikeTAS]

Small point to make although have not lived in the UK for 35 years - I was told that you have to produce the documents such as the licence but you only have to SHOW it tothem and not let them examine (what was then a small book). This was so the officer cannot check your previous offences as the docs remain your property. Thus you have a measure of control over the police action. I did this back in the 80s and it was not disputed.

[@Momosblackdog]

Don't be ridiculous. The law states "produce for examination." What's the point of showing a false licence if it can't be examined?

[@davidspear9790]

'Random stop checks' means they want to go fishing. Unless it's one of their seasonal drink drive campaigns, or your vehicle has been flagged for whatever reason, if you haven't done anything wrong, why else would you get stopped?

[@ianking8315]

correct david spear.

[@seraphina985]

They also do or at least did sometimes do random checks to ensure vehicles were compliant with the construction and use regulations. Basically just checking things like tire tread depth, working lights, and such. They used to do them more in winter although I had not seen one in years back when I left the UK and that was a few years back.

[@nct948]

@@seraphina985 the MOT is supposed to check these so the police has less need to carry out these checks.

[@jeremypnet]

@@nct948 tyres can go below the legal minimum between MOT’s. You can even get an MOT for an unsafe car at a price, probably. You should be glad that the police are making sure that the vehicles you have to share the road with are safe.

[@hb1338]

@@nct948 MOT certificate reports ONLY that the vehicle was lawful at the time of the test.

[@andyp5899]

I was reminded of this interaction with the Police. One lunchtime I had to go to a car dealer to get a replacement headlamp mounting shell. The one on my car had rusted and fallen out. On my way around the one-way system, I was blue lighted from behind. Rather than stop and block the road I continued the short distance to the dealer's car park. The police car followed me in. The conversation was friendly and the officer said she didn't see a need to issue a ticket.

[@byMRTNjournals]

The police love it when they ask for your details and you give them your licence number on a piece of paper and state that they can confirm everything they need digitally including date of birth.

[@desubtilizer]

There was a case which was ruled unlawful by the IPCA where people who had attended an exit international conference had to go through a breath testing checkpoint that was set up to collect the names and details of the people who had attended

[@pinballrobbie]

That happened in New Zealand also.

[@him5695]

That's because even though they have Section 163 rights to stop anyone they can't abuse their powers ie target innocent people or black people etc it must be used honestly to prevent crime

[@shambhangal438]

@@him5695 I don't think they can use it to prevent crime - they can only stop you in relation to a road traffic offence. They can also only stop you to to get your driving licence, insurance and MOT. If they ask for anything else, you can then start the 'on what basis' stuff. Get out of your car, lock it with all the windows closed, wait near it and show them your driving licence when they approach, and then answer any reasonable questions, but query anything that implies guilt on your part for anything other than a traffic offence, or asking to search your car for anything other than a traffic offence. The standard response for any non-traffic related stuff is 'I'm happy to come to the station to be interviewed under caution with a duty solicitor present if you confirm to me that you have enough evidence against me to justify it', and record it on your phone. They'll know you've just fast tracked them to a false arrest claim if they do pretty much anything without evidence from that point.

[@TheRantyRider]

There is a dodge for this, if someone has the insurance to drive another vehicle then get them to drive every vehicle through the checkpoint and down the road. The Police would get bored before the driver.

[@Scouser89Liverpool22]

I feel this part of the traffic act is abused by some police officers, that they can just pull a vehicle on public road, and stop anyone, anywhere and demand the details of the driver, the bit that gets me is people don’t know that plain clothes officers do not have the powers to stop, but people just see the blue flashing lights and body armour and just assume have same power as uniform officer, under road traffic act.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Officers have to be in uniform in order to conduct traffic stops. But what is "uniform" in such circs? Courts have ruled that uniform is such clothing so as to give the impression that the wearer is a police officer. So a plain clothes detective wearing a police base ball cap and body armour could be construed as being in uniform.

[@nct948]

@@geordiewishart1683 I am wondering if in such circumstances it is possible to ask for a proof confirming the policeman's identity.

[@seraphina985]

@@nct948 They should be carrying their warrant card and should be prepared to present the same if they are making a stop I believe. I know they are required to do so when they choose to invoke their stop and search powers so I would presume the same would apply here.

[@WayneFoxUK]

Yes, an excuse to intimidate or harrass if they so choose.

[@Scouser89Liverpool22]

@@geordiewishart1683 each police force has to have a document in regards to what is classed as uniform (www.merseyside.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/merseyside/policies/dress-appearance-policy.pdf) page 16. This is my local force, so legally if an officer in jeans, trainers and body armour with appropriate equipment pulled you over, weather he shows a warrant card or not, legally not in uniform (as per policy) so the powers of the road traffic act 1988, section 163 they do not have the power to stop you, would be very interesting court case if they tried to argue you drove off from an officer.

[@MikChapman]

Another top video Mr BBB. I know this is a long shot that this'll be read, but...What can the Police ask you to do on a stop as regards to popping bonnet, putting indicators and lights on and other physical matters under a 163 stop? I ask this as back in 1988/89 sometime (young driver) i was always getting pulled and on 1 occasion wth a Copper doing a full shake down of my bald tyred car he also charged me for leaving a motor vehicle with engine running as he was showing me that my battery wasn't very secure under the bonnet. Be good to know what they can and can't ask you to do, or at least what you're obliged to do by LAW!

[@thestuff1014]

British policemen are nice, as I have seen several times. I was stopped several times for speeding. Each time it ended with a warning. Once a police officer told me that I was going to get a bill to fix their car because their engine started smoking as they chased me halfway across the city. But that's where it ended. I never got a ticket. Usually they invited me to their car and checked me on the computer. Now I'm more careful. I'm getting old. By the way, it never occurred to me to question the police's right to control. Usually, by the time a police officer approached me, I was already holding my driver's license for him with a remorseful face.

[@bojo88]

🤣 That reminds me of when my husband was pulled over on his motorbike for speeding. The policeman that stopped him was so impressed with his bike that he wanted a good look at it and had a long discussion with my husband about the bike before telling him that, "It goes like 💩 off a shovel!", to take it easy and have a great rest of his day. He then left him to go on his way (a bit slower this time though I believe! 😆)

[@grahamo22]

"British policemen are nice, as I have seen several times" There are millions of people who would say otherwise. In common with most police forces, they are not to be trusted under any circumstances.

[@kevinbrown-ge6sz]

Watch Crimbebodge KZbin channel. British policemen can be mean and petty.

[@davesmart8414]

Never get in the back of a police vehicle

[@mick9419]

​@@grahamo22 that's because they have not experienced policing in other countries, that is why they would disagree.

[@rickbear7249]

My only issue with this police power is that it omits the usual "with just cause" protection. We are rapidly becoming a Police State.

[@thejaysatspindrift]

lol, A Police State afraid to do proper policing in certain areas so they need to advertise strength in the easy domains… pathetic 😢

[@iluvgsds]

??? It has been in force since 1988. Nothing new.

[@davidsadler7047]

The last time i was stopped And they demanded insurance I told them, we all know that their ANPR equipped car can tell them about my car etc and it was not essential for me to produce them, to which they let me go.

[@heyabusa1]

The most antagonistic character from my experience of dealing with the gestapo ('police') is the gestapo officers themselves. I used to support them to the hilt without question. I barely raise a shrug these days when I hear of one getting killed. No, I'm not a criminal, don't associate with criminals, no family members are criminals. The lying gestapo pursued a case against me (wrong place at the wrong time) all the way to Crown Court where thankfully they were shown to be the unmitigated liars that they are quite prepared to be.

[@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl]

Absolutely spot on

[@insightphoto]

please don't call them the 'gestapo' - that's a bit of an insult to the police and to the memory of Jewish people in WW2

[@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl]

@@insightphoto nonsense

[@chrisbell5032]

Why would you ask someone you do not know to do as you expect?@@insightphoto

[@insightphoto]

@@chrisbell5032 because they are in the wrong

[@duncanmacleod7283]

It would be useful to understand better a couple of other grey issues under Section 163. Does the word ‘stop’ mean that the vehicle must have been physically moving in the first instance and if so does it mean that if I were stationary and legally parked on a road then I would not be required to surrender my details? It would also be helpful to understand if a public car park or a supermarket car park would constitute ‘a road’ under the act whether or not at the time the vehicle was moving or was stationary / parked.

[@geko7844]

S.163 purely relates to the stopping of vehicles. So if you’re parked and stationary, s.163 is irrelevant as you are already stopped. S.164 allows officers to require certain details, and this can include when you’re stationary. “Driving” has a very wide definition in law and broadly speaking, it means having any control over the direction or propulsion of the vehicle. Sitting stationary with the engine idling could amount to driving and so you’d be required to produce your driving licence. Even if you’re not legally “driving”, there are other circumstances where officers can require your name and address (such as on reasonable suspicion of committing an offence). In terms of “road”, this also has a fairly wide meaning. This includes places where the general public have access (on payment or otherwise). A court has found previously that in a private car park, the spaces themselves were not a road, but the rest of the car park was. Courts are reluctant to restrict the definition of “road” as many accidents happen in private car parks and it would have many insurance implications if they ceased to be “roads”.

[@arunsharma-lp4vx]

Under section 163 and 164, is a cyclist required to identify himself if stopped by a constable?

[@Momosblackdog]

Yes.

[@phoenixmotorsport647]

Yes because unlike a car these days you cant use ANPR to check the number plate and use that to do a PNC check

[@TheRantyRider]

No, a push bike is not mechainically propelled, neither is a horse. However there are probably other laws that apply.

[@wolvoman1]

Is it not fair to say that ''suspicion is someones opinion, without evidence of a crime'' ?

[@jameswest9388]

Usually it’s backed by something.

[@theuktoday4233]

I wear a police style bodycam especially at night, its got infra red for video in low light, fantastic audio, date and time stamps when its switched on and GPS data. You will find once they know you are wearing it they suddenly stop being aggressive and belligerent. Trust me it works.

[@JustBadly]

When you think of it a bodycam is far more useful than a dashcam.

[@ChrisLee-yr7tz]

Could you tell me the brand and model?

[@user-uy5cs2py1z]

I always believed that as professional driver while driving at work ie trucks busses etc that you had to produce your licence at the road side and while driving your private vehicle car van motorcycle etc you would be given a producer as you mentioned

[@rjb10101]

How many of us has actually bought and read the Highway Code book since they passed their test...??? and how many rules have changed since then...???

[@fredbloggs5902]

And your point is?…

[@gordon861]

The 'rules' might have changed, but the underlying legislation (the bits of the Highway Code referred to as MUST/MUST NOT) are still mostly the same.

[@ianhandforth5672]

i never read it then,,

[@Ted_1]

Showing your age. Highway code is online now, if you haven't looked at it since passing your test, be ashamed of yourself and go and read it.

[@bojo88]

I signed up to it online and they email me to let me know of any changes.

[@clivewilliams3661]

Part of the problem is that you can be pursued by an unmarked police car and not be aware that the driver or passenger has a police uniform on. This is simply because of the reflections caused by modern steeply raked windscreens, the dark interior of the vehicle or it may be at night. With the reports of car crime and assaults you may be wishing to take evasive action. Blue lights may not be seen because they will invariably be sited in the grille area that may be out of direct view depending on the proximity of the vehicle and the visibility rearwards from your car (thick pillars, tall rear window, enclosed van etc. Your photo card driving license has both your recorded address and the date of birth as well as your photo and signature, so that giving your driving license should provide all the officer wants. Modern police cars are fitted with a direct link to the DVLA data base, which means that they can instantly access your insurance and MOT status, there should be no reason for giving a producer other than bloody mindedness, more so that police stations are few and far between, resulting in unreasonably lengthy journeys

[@jerry2357]

Some of us are old enough to have an old-style paper driving license. But these do contain the necessary information, too.

[@wessexdruid7598]

@@jerry2357 You're still in the database.

[@HapaxLegomenon12]

My Dad’s number plate was recently cloned. Producing details would confirm they are who they should be, as they are unlikely to be able to clone and doctor the license to go with the number plate. Other than that extreme case, I’m with you on that. They would normally also be able to see that the car does not match the description.

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@HapaxLegomenon12 In my case I presented a photocard of my driving license and thus a check on the DVLA data base by the police would show my name against the insurance, and registered keeper and the MOT would go with the car that those documents refer to so there was no need for a producer. I can see the need for a producer if the driver did not have a photo license to hand or that the driver's name wasn't on the data base.

[@davesmart8414]

You have the legal right to drive to a safe place, as long as you make it clear you are not refusing to stop

[@PeterPanoramics]

Is there a difference between a constable and a traffic officer?

[@TheJimmyryan]

So...if my vehicle is powered by a sail they can't stop me 😂

[@alexmorgan3435]

You will be subject to maritime law and as a skipper you have similar legal duties and responsibilities to comply with.

[@seraphina985]

@@alexmorgan3435 I suspect there is some more general law that governs using some non-roadworthy contraption on the road that would work too.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

The way things are going, it just might come to that.

[@hb1338]

@@seraphina985 Anything you take onto the road must at least be properly controllable - wind power might not qualify..

[@hb1338]

@@alexmorgan3435 Maritime laws apply only on water.

[@SlipShodBob]

I think some people forget that laws can vary between countries as I believe in the US or at least some of the states they need a reason as I think it was on Steve Lehto's KZbin channel where someone had their conviction or arrest thrown out as the officer stopped them on a hunch. But even if they got confused as to the country as an officer in the Royal Navy told the crew on a documentary following the ship it is best to not argue or resist police when they stopped in New Orleans as they can be prone to shoot first question later and it is easier to get it sorted the next morning

[@seraphina985]

It's generally unwise to argue with law enforcement, it is also generally unwise to argue with those that have superiority in arms and/or armour. Often these things all coincide in a single person in many countries making extra unwise.

[@Gazzaadi]

Love watching your videos, I can not remember when an HORT1 was last issued, and a PNC. check now tells the officer everything they need to know. Quite often drivers don't know what the 8 animals are that they must report if in a collision with any.

[@tooyoungtobeold8756]

The police can check for a valid MOT on the internet via a smart phone. Insurance too, I believe.

[@stuartb4525]

They have computer access. I never carry any documents.

[@MrBurtonshaw]

anyone can check if a car has an mot

[@stuartb4525]

The car might have MOT, and insurance, however, the ACTUAL driver may not have insurance or to go further no licence.

[@MrBurtonshaw]

@@Kentworlds it's on the internet too.. as far as MOTs go

[@hb1338]

There are some restrictions on what information the insurance companies provide, but I don't think that they affect the ability to find out whether you have valid insurance.

[@Azphreal]

There was a checkpoint i was pulled at a while ago at Stansted and was polite and handed over what they wanted but another person argued the toss so they had him walk around his car with them lol. Sure they were talking about his tyres when i left.

[@leonardfleet50]

This is like watching paint dry!, just list quickly what the police can or cannot do, and we can all get to bed before 1 in the morning!

[@nationalinterest1]

People get confused watching too many vehicle stops in America....which is a totally different ball game. RTA 1988 states they can stop and ask for your driving documents...and then verify the drivers identity....It all relates to the driver NOT the passenger unless that passenger is supervising.

[@seraphina985]

I don't think they actually qualify as a passenger at all in the later scenario though. They have taken on the legal duty of care by choosing to supervise the unqualified driver. Same if I were to take an unqualified pilot up in my aircraft and let them fly even in a type with only one set of flight controls, I would be the PIC of record for the flight and if SHTF it's on me. Granted the other person can and potentially will face repercussions as well in both cases but ultimately the qualified party doing the supervision is deemed responsible for allowing any offences that may occur as they were the one that should have known better.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

And where did America get its rules and principles from?? I wonder, but was it England?? so it is all the same except they don't have a king or queen from the 1776 revolution. Guess what, American is still controlled by the sovereign in England. Bill of rights 1689 = 1776 bill of rights. They were more used to their rights than the English because of British 1707 which was designed to destroy England and its history.

[@hb1338]

Other legislation (eg Terrorism Act) allows the police to stop anybody anywhere and demand details, so they can ask all passengers should they see fit.

[@leavemyrightsalone]

@@hb1338 Oh yeah after 9/11 the terrorism act was introduced. hahahahahhaha. Everyone is a terrorist now. Everyone is a right wing fascist now even when they try to enforce all the money they can out of your pocket like ULEZ. Opens up your head, HELLO!!! echo echo echo echo...

[@7200932]

You hit the nail on the head at the beginning. It’s the influence of American drama shows, films and general media that has caused the confusion. I also remember seeing quite a few years ago now one of those police reality shows and they had stopped an American at first he was confrontational and spouting American law but the police calmed the situation down and explained that they didn’t need a reason to stop him

[@bobikdylan]

It's worse when UK drivers start quoting the Fifth ammendment.

[@kevinbrown-ge6sz]

@@bobikdylan I was watching Auditing Britain's channel and the policeman asked him if he had permission to film and he said "yes the Consti.." and caught himself before finishing saying the Constitution.

[@jameswest9388]

Not just for traffic stops either. No end of people demand to see a warrant for entry to a premises or for an arrest - while we do have warrants, there are plenty of scenarios where police have powers which don’t need wet signed warrants.

[@louissanderson719]

It’s not just law shit. Toxic, bullshit traits of American culture are seeping there way through

[@malcolm7548]

under gdpr shouldn’t the police be issuing you with an explanation of what and why any information is requested and how the information is going to be used and how long it is being used and what actions are being taken to delete the info once the disclosed usage has completed. also if you gave your name and address to a police officer who claimed the information is to confirm your identity, would it be a data breach if at a later stage your name address and say photo was released to the public/press before a trial or even after you were sentenced

[@jimmynaylor1759]

I do love watching "Sovereign Citizens" as they quote "the law" and almost always have made it up. Better to not argue on the street but challenge, respectfully, in court if you are convinced you are right.

[@Clearlight201]

When stopped on my motorbike for no reason yet again one of the plods tried to get smart, saying ‘Your face looks familiar, haven’t I seen you somewhere before?’ To which I replied “Well I’m always up at the station producing my documents.” He said, good one I like that.

[@realitykicksin8755]

They can ask & check your drivers license, it has both on it.

[@annem7806]

US does it all the time w/DUI checkpoints. I hate it & it does seem illegal.

[@4catsnow]

The DUI checkpoints here are sanctioned by the Supreme Court as a "minor" violation of the 4th Amendment, intended to keep the public safe from an impaired operator..The informed, sober, and authorized operator here knows, and insists, his or her Constitution doesn't end where a checkpoint begins.Under the 5th Amendment, NO obligation to answer questions.. And given the robust reputation a lot of our police have for "creativity" at a checkpoint,,good insurance would be to video record any contact, under the 1st Amendment..You can't imagine how friendly a police officer can get when he sees a camera he can't control..And lastly, we here in the US would like to thank England for helping our forefathers frame our Constitution in the late 1700's...

[@AngusKart]

DUI checkpoints are voluntary. You do not have to submit to them.

[@macsmith6216]

We’re not in the ###king US

[@annem7806]

@@macsmith6216 sure Mac. Followers from around the world. Wake up. 🤯

[@macsmith6216]

@@annem7806 Are we talking about the US is the advice about the US Wake up FFS

[@thunderbug8640]

My experiences with the police have always been rather bazaar. I was pulled over because i looked too young. I was pulled over because i moved too far too the left in my lane and they thought id been drinking at which point i said i hadn’t and they just left. I’ve been pulled over because my car matched the description of one used in some crime and all they asked to do was look in the boot. My cars have always been "fast and furious" which might explain why I’ve been stopped so much and every instance with them has been polite but at the same time just weird.

[@MummaBear]

Having the " wrong" car is a crime 😂

[@thunderbug8640]

@@MummaBear Almost feels like it sometimes tbh lol. If they hear turbo noises, they will follow you, its like some kind of mating call.

[@MummaBear]

@@thunderbug8640 they like an easy target.. Think about getting a.... nissan qashqai 🤣

[@thunderbug8640]

@@MummaBear I have a bunch of Nissans already so a Qashqai would be on brand for me lol.

[@TheRantyRider]

How bizarre!

[@Matthew-tw7oo]

Several things come to mind. Stop registering cars with the DVLA then the police (policy enforcers) have no jurisdiction over you. The owner of a "vehicle" "registered" with the DVLA is the DVLA. We are the keepers NOT the owners as stated on the front of the V5 form.

[@klashnacovak47]

I watched a video the other day and the driver was on about how he doesn’t have to give his name to the police that stopped him because of his human rights. That’s the problem with auditors and these videos is very often the person holding the camera is in the wrong and those who watch the videos will make the same mistake.

[@trooperthatsall5250]

similar to that, constables conducting said stop will often confuse the American stop with demanding the driver turn off the vehicle and demand the keys, there was a video that had one such stop recorded. I've always request a producer at my designated station, my reasoning behind it is normally conducted as it should be. I've been stopped around 5 times, and all were being fresh out of Hendon, being trained, one was for the Tax Disc that they stated they could not see, it was in the window and the wiper was just below it, giving him the opportunity to feed me the "reason why I stopped you" bs. Watch for these kind of questions. ~Trooper

[@Crusty_Camper]

A lot of videos show much about rights and not an awful lot about responsibility

[@ChrisPage68]

Responsibility is a two-way street.

[@gilesellis8002]

I live in Spain as a Resident, The Guardia Civil, Traffico are always putting up Road blocks, Breathalised for Drinks, Drugs what ever, ITV (mot) Driving licence, Car papers, Etc. they are Polite, but don't push your Luck. You are Not to leave your house without ID.

[@g0fvt]

I used to work in and around London, I was not delighted to be stopped due to the “ring of steel” twice in one day. Their questions ended with the ethnicity one, I did say “guess”…. I have been also stopped a few times for traffic surveys… I don’t make a habit of arguing with police, however in both of these cases it was two stops in one day that angered me. On reflection in about 20 years I was only disrupted on 3 days…

[@Millmiglia001]

I NEVER carry my license or insurance and ask the officer to write me a 'Producer ' at my local station (which you do before the expiry of seven days after issue).

[@jamesturner7728]

the right to remain silent

[@moorgunandmarshes]

Hi Dan, always informative content, but I have a niggle and would like your opinion. In the UK caution I have an issue in that there is an inference of guilt despite you being assumed innocent until proven guilty. Namely "But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something that you later rely on in Court." Why would you have to disclose anything to prove your innocence to any investigation UNTIL court if you have the right not to say anything?

[@jons9721]

There no assumption of innocence when interacting with the police that is a court issue only. It's the job of the police to assume everyone is guilty until satisifed

[@nickmaclachlan5178]

I would recommend that if the Police are intent on arresting you and taking you in to custody, you zip your lip and say absolutely nothing until you speak to a solicitor. Even if you are rock solid innocent, don't give them a bean. Then when you do have something to say, it is said by your solicitor and not you. Every interaction with a member of the Police force is a fishing expedition on their part. No answers = no chance for them to put two and two together and fabricate seventeen.

[@jons9721]

@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous made what up, just stating the obvious assumption of innocence is a trial concept and doesn’t exist outside a court. In fact for some crimes even that doesn’t apply. Admit to killing someone’s in self defence and the burden of proof is on you that it was self

[@geordiewishart1683]

There is no U.K. caution. In Scotland, the right to silence is absolute.

[@jons9721]

@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous if the police assumed everyone was innocent they would never investigate anything and spend all day at starbucks