POLICE Demand Name & Address on Random Vehicle Stops

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@Ontheroadtourism
@Ontheroadtourism Жыл бұрын
My experience with the Police over the last few years is that you are guilty until proven innocent. I am 58 , bald and have tattoos, but also a company director and free lance journalist. I was stopped by the police and told "I am used to dealing with people like you" I asked him what he meant by that and received no reply. They have become much more aggressive and combative and seem to want to provoke a reaction. Say as little as possible when it comes to the Police.
@TayWoode
@TayWoode Жыл бұрын
Yep, they try and provoke a reaction so they have a reason to arrest you
@elizabethanthony3916
@elizabethanthony3916 Жыл бұрын
​@@TayWoode One good reason to be polite.
@garry843
@garry843 Жыл бұрын
And then you get the comment " I can smell something on your breath" as an excuse to poke around until they turn up something that gives them the opportunity to go to the station for a cuppa and do paperwork.
@Richard500
@Richard500 Жыл бұрын
@@DM-ur8vc I bet you are a tad proactive?
@Ontheroadtourism
@Ontheroadtourism Жыл бұрын
@@DM-ur8vc I am lucky enough to live in very nice small village in Chichester Harbour and was burgled whilst we were in bed. The next morning I called the Police who told me they were too busy to attend and to make a report online. Never heard a thing. Then I had someone on my property and they had broken into my summer house. I called the Police who said it would be two or three hours until they had someone available to attend. My response was well I will remove them myself after which I was told that I did I would be arrested.
@alandavies55
@alandavies55 Жыл бұрын
As an old Priest who uses a small motorcycle as daily transport, I am often stopped by the Police, I always give my details when asked, usually with no problems. However I regard my destination as my business. This has caused a problem on two occasions, but I will stick to this, as I do not want the housebound people I am going to visit to be harassed on my account by some of the miss fits we now have in the UK Police.
@super_happy_alien509
@super_happy_alien509 Ай бұрын
"Some" no. not some i would say 51% is "misfits" 51% of the Poilce are Corrupt. When you read the complaints about the poilce. it starts with one then a 2nd offcier will turn a blind eye to what a misfit cop is doing. so you can 2x any Complaint. in 24 + years of start to Finish Cop vs Civ Vids Online I NEVER seen a Cop tell other cops they gorn to far or out of order and never seen them Subdue a Cop who using too much force on a Civy. Some lol.
@summerrr1
@summerrr1 Ай бұрын
It’s none of their business. Tell them to take a hike.
@peter2346
@peter2346 Жыл бұрын
I pulled to road next to junction on M3 because my cat wanted a loo (his litter tray which was in a boot) - it was late in the evening. stopped and takn the said tray to car. Police patrol appeared and they asked do you need help. I explained furry friend wanted loo and they started laughing all was very pleasant conversation and no problem whatsoever! btw kitty was 9kg Maine Coon ;-) like a small Puma!
@DovidM
@DovidM 7 ай бұрын
Since few people have seen such a beast close up, that must have been an eye opener for them!
@Simonsimon-fy3hq
@Simonsimon-fy3hq 6 ай бұрын
A adult Maine Coon looks nothing like a Puma.
@hawkslayers1
@hawkslayers1 Жыл бұрын
I am old but its a sad day when you fear being stopped by a police officer for many different reasons now and your safety is one of them
@ncmcdonnell5486
@ncmcdonnell5486 Жыл бұрын
Especially if you are a woman.
@glennwall552
@glennwall552 Жыл бұрын
Always had been in NSW Australia since I got beaten up by the rolling squad or Jump out boys they appear out of no were and just bash youth in groups of two or more before screaming " Go home!" I was on my way to work as a baker! 2 am. Later in life Uniformed police stopped these thugs bashing and abusing us...leave them alone they're good boys so why are you doing this?" Shrug.....to this day @70 yrs old I'm uncomfortable with cops.
@tazuk01
@tazuk01 Жыл бұрын
It's not a fear, it's just a new age of idiots giving safety as a pathetic excuse to argue.
@BRIZVIZ
@BRIZVIZ Жыл бұрын
@Brightfart2 what drugs are you on
@lesigh1749
@lesigh1749 Жыл бұрын
@brightfart Thats a very niaeve view. The police in the NE of England abused their power like every other police force did over the last few years.
@fartypants5696
@fartypants5696 Жыл бұрын
Great video... too many folk watching USA audits where the law is different.
@leavemyrightsalone
@leavemyrightsalone Жыл бұрын
Where did they get their laws from??? Who owns America?? is it the queen; now the king of England?
@74yodinosaur99
@74yodinosaur99 Жыл бұрын
​@@leavemyrightsalone America has got nothing to do with the UK. They have their own rules and laws. We, the UK, are a MONARCHY, they are a republic. Canada is under the Monarchy, and happy to be so, but they have their own laws.
@happyjonn9242
@happyjonn9242 Жыл бұрын
@@leavemyrightsalone the Queen is dead.
@leavemyrightsalone
@leavemyrightsalone Жыл бұрын
@@happyjonn9242 Yeah I know, her head is on paper symbolizing that fact!!
@adelejones3746
@adelejones3746 Жыл бұрын
Can't use breathalysers on the road side in the USA because it breaches one of the amendments. Thus the nonsense with sobriety tests.
@RogersRamblings
@RogersRamblings Жыл бұрын
In the early 1980s I owned and drove both a van and a motorcycle. On occasions if I was going away for a weekend or longer I would load the bike into the van and take it with me. As I was returning home late one evening the police pulled me over, having stopped for a mid-journey pint earlier I was a tad nervous and when the police officer came to my door I asked if there was anything amiss. He assured me it was just routine but did say that having seen the bike in the back of the van they were making sure it wasn't stolen. While his colleague checked my details and that both vehicles were registered to me we had a chat, put the world to rights and parted on good terms.
@garrywatters1140
@garrywatters1140 Жыл бұрын
Different breed of copper back then.
@shinkansenshinkansend8316
@shinkansenshinkansend8316 Жыл бұрын
Had a very similar experience when buying a bike in Swindon. Someone saw it being loaded into my van and called the Police. They stopped me, checked the purchase receipt, that the V5c had been filled in etc, we all went on our ways happy, no producer etc. I was actually happy that they were taking reasonable action to try to deal with what could have been a bike theft.
@nct948
@nct948 Жыл бұрын
@@shinkansenshinkansend8316 very sensible. Why can't people recognise that most policemen are genuinely trying to get society running smoothly as intended by the laws of the country?
@dalet1001
@dalet1001 Жыл бұрын
@@garrywatters1140 not really ... same thing would happed today in most cases. Police have had to respond to changes in society as well though, so as said in the video, if you are polite then that is pretty much always returned by the officer.
@hb1338
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@nct948 Cue rant about entitled and self-righteous people.
@byMRTNjournals
@byMRTNjournals 28 күн бұрын
The police love it when they ask for your details and you give them your licence number on a piece of paper and state that they can confirm everything they need digitally including date of birth.
@philsaunders65
@philsaunders65 Жыл бұрын
When I was 19 yrs old, I was stopped by a Sussex Traffic PC doing speed-checks. He showed me the back of the speed-gun; 41mph in a 30mph limit… in thick fog. I received words of advice only. There’s a lot to be said for having good manners.
@wesmatron
@wesmatron Жыл бұрын
It's like their implied reason is to check your documents. That's all the 'reason' they need. If you get arsey, this could extend into an examination of your vehicle's roadworthyness.
@martyndawson7484
@martyndawson7484 Жыл бұрын
To me it seems like a one sided charter to bully whoever they choose.
@hb1338
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
No, it is the law of the land, which they are authorised to enforce.
@loftyintentions1985
@loftyintentions1985 Жыл бұрын
​@@hb1338 please tell me this is sarcasm.
@paulburke7390
@paulburke7390 Жыл бұрын
Is asking for your driving license and insurance bullying ?
@martyndawson7484
@martyndawson7484 Жыл бұрын
@@paulburke7390 There is no legal requirement to carry them. They do it to inconvenience people needlessly, so I would call that bullying. What happened to the presumption of innocence?
@davidstewart7951
@davidstewart7951 7 ай бұрын
The UK State always enacts laws that enable their agents to have the total advantage over the citizens of the land. Designed in a manner that is so broad, encompassing, they could arrest you for treading on the cracks of the pavement. Its all very well for certain people to quote that old nonsense on it being the law of the land & nothing to hide, nothing to fear, but, when you are constantly at risk or fear of the slightest misdemeanor, error or not, then it has become oppression by Lawfare, "Compared to the rest of the world, we have the best legal system". The only people i have heard spouting that old tosh is members of the UK legal system, or some one earning out of it in some manner or other..
@markahomer
@markahomer Жыл бұрын
Good advice as usual. And my 5 decades experience of Traffic Officers? Sadly, NEVER EVER a positive one. I have no doubt their belligerent and usually arrogant, patronising approach to drivers is to see if they can escalate the situation. Be polite, comply (within what appears reasonable - especially if a woman) and say as little as necessary.
@Matthew-tw7oo
@Matthew-tw7oo 18 күн бұрын
Several things come to mind. Stop registering cars with the DVLA then the police (policy enforcers) have no jurisdiction over you. The owner of a "vehicle" "registered" with the DVLA is the DVLA. We are the keepers NOT the owners as stated on the front of the V5 form.
@David8n
@David8n Жыл бұрын
I've been stopped a few times in the wee small hours randomly by the police. A quick, polite exchange and I've been on my way. I don't habitually carry my documents with me and I've never even been asked to produce them.
@johnchipperfield3367
@johnchipperfield3367 Жыл бұрын
all my documents are on my phone, apart from my licence obviously.
@nswinoz3302
@nswinoz3302 Жыл бұрын
@@johnchipperfield3367 interesting, are they considered legal documents or are they just carried that way for convenience? We never get asked for any of that as to be registered for road use, and they know it’s licence even before you get asked to stop. Our licence are also on our mobile now asa backup, but I’ve always carried a photo licence since before 1980 as you are fined for not carrying it.
@Mr-J...
@Mr-J... Жыл бұрын
​@@nswinoz3302 RTA holds provisions for showing your docs electronically. Further still, it provides provision for an officer to provide the means of access electronically to allow you to demonstrate your documents (license & insurance). Though the only way to do this is by putting your login details into an unknown device, so that's not something I will ne doing
@davidbrown7883
@davidbrown7883 Жыл бұрын
@@johnchipperfield3367 In the UK we don't even have, or want, national ID cards.
@freespeechmatters583
@freespeechmatters583 Жыл бұрын
@@kriskcar Wouldn't you rather have facial scanning to let you into your front door, into restaurants, shops, countryside car parks etc. So much more convenient. That seems like a great future.
@Ba1ster
@Ba1ster Жыл бұрын
Great video! I wish u can educate more ppl that follow others and end up doing the wrong thing!
@user-uy5cs2py1z
@user-uy5cs2py1z 19 күн бұрын
I always believed that as professional driver while driving at work ie trucks busses etc that you had to produce your licence at the road side and while driving your private vehicle car van motorcycle etc you would be given a producer as you mentioned
@andyp5899
@andyp5899 Жыл бұрын
I was reminded of this interaction with the Police. One lunchtime I had to go to a car dealer to get a replacement headlamp mounting shell. The one on my car had rusted and fallen out. On my way around the one-way system, I was blue lighted from behind. Rather than stop and block the road I continued the short distance to the dealer's car park. The police car followed me in. The conversation was friendly and the officer said she didn't see a need to issue a ticket.
@SlipShodBob
@SlipShodBob Жыл бұрын
I think some people forget that laws can vary between countries as I believe in the US or at least some of the states they need a reason as I think it was on Steve Lehto's KZbin channel where someone had their conviction or arrest thrown out as the officer stopped them on a hunch. But even if they got confused as to the country as an officer in the Royal Navy told the crew on a documentary following the ship it is best to not argue or resist police when they stopped in New Orleans as they can be prone to shoot first question later and it is easier to get it sorted the next morning
@seraphina985
@seraphina985 Жыл бұрын
It's generally unwise to argue with law enforcement, it is also generally unwise to argue with those that have superiority in arms and/or armour. Often these things all coincide in a single person in many countries making extra unwise.
@AJB2K3
@AJB2K3 27 күн бұрын
There is an issue with 165, you cant provide those details now because they don't exist in printed form.
@good7saint
@good7saint Жыл бұрын
The reason some people get argumentative when pulled over by the police. Are usually those who think the rules of the road don't apply to them
@xhogun8578
@xhogun8578 Жыл бұрын
Or they think they are amazing drivers but are only amazing at driving erratically.
@ianking8315
@ianking8315 Жыл бұрын
not necessarily true they should have a reason not just to obtain details afterall its your identity and it should be private unless you have done something wrong.
@ianking8315
@ianking8315 Жыл бұрын
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous no they are not they are as clear as mud.
@Malpriorvids
@Malpriorvids Жыл бұрын
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous please send me your full name, address, DOB, insurance docs, driving licence number. Thanks in advance.
@stringer-ik1pc
@stringer-ik1pc Жыл бұрын
Most of the police are either rapists or crooks.
@peterbooth2804
@peterbooth2804 Ай бұрын
I guess if there is nothing to hide then what's the problem? Providing they are who they say they are.
@heyabusa1
@heyabusa1 Жыл бұрын
The most antagonistic character from my experience of dealing with the gestapo ('police') is the gestapo officers themselves. I used to support them to the hilt without question. I barely raise a shrug these days when I hear of one getting killed. No, I'm not a criminal, don't associate with criminals, no family members are criminals. The lying gestapo pursued a case against me (wrong place at the wrong time) all the way to Crown Court where thankfully they were shown to be the unmitigated liars that they are quite prepared to be.
@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl
@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on
@insightphoto
@insightphoto Жыл бұрын
please don't call them the 'gestapo' - that's a bit of an insult to the police and to the memory of Jewish people in WW2
@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl
@ScorchedEarth-cd5cl Жыл бұрын
@@insightphoto nonsense
@chrisbell5032
@chrisbell5032 Жыл бұрын
Why would you ask someone you do not know to do as you expect?@@insightphoto
@insightphoto
@insightphoto Жыл бұрын
@@chrisbell5032 because they are in the wrong
@Momosblackdog
@Momosblackdog Ай бұрын
It's very simple. Otherwise, how would they catch drivers driving without licences, insurance, mot, drink drivers, drug drivers, defective and stolen vehicles? Just comply with the law, be polite, and you'll be on your way.
@malfunction8165
@malfunction8165 Жыл бұрын
How do you prove you own a vehicle? The V5 says at the top Not proof of ownership, so what is proof of ownership??? As in a PCN it says Notice to owner, if I can't PROVE I own it who does???
@Azphreal
@Azphreal Жыл бұрын
There was a checkpoint i was pulled at a while ago at Stansted and was polite and handed over what they wanted but another person argued the toss so they had him walk around his car with them lol. Sure they were talking about his tyres when i left.
@crystalawen
@crystalawen 11 ай бұрын
‘Reasonable’ ‘Reasonable’ - ??? They need ‘reasonable cause to believe’ ... They often don’t have
@Wolfyjinny
@Wolfyjinny 7 ай бұрын
I used to get stopped for all sorts of reasons, "you looked like you were going fast" "you sounded like you were going fast" "I wanted to make sure you are you and not someone else" "I just wanted to have a look at your bike" "sorry for stopping you mate, is that car modded or is it standard?" driving with my wife -> "do you normally drive like a knob with your mother in the car?" My best interaction was... "I saw you race that car off the lights" "did you officer?" "yes, I did, and I have it on camera!" "I honestly don't know what led you to believe that I was "Racing" anyone off the lights officer, all I was doing was making due progress whilst in full control of my vehicle and then I proceeded my journey at just under the speed limit as it was safe to do so. Oh and by the way officer, did you know you have a stop and tail light out, AND it seems your indicators do not work because I had been following you from ........ (about 3 miles) and they never worked once, I in fact have that on 3 cameras, one on my crash helmet, one on my fairing and the 360 camera on the tail of my bike" the copper just turned around walked back to his car and drove off, I did think about stopping him and telling him about his lights etc but it opens up a whole load of crap.
@jimmynaylor1759
@jimmynaylor1759 Жыл бұрын
I do love watching "Sovereign Citizens" as they quote "the law" and almost always have made it up. Better to not argue on the street but challenge, respectfully, in court if you are convinced you are right.
@K1VV1939
@K1VV1939 Ай бұрын
Do you have to identify yourself as a Human if stopped by a police officer? Name and Licence number??? Does a Police officer have to give you Equality of his name and police contact number???? What if he's stopped you in error, that is: Stopped you using a Dangerous method or place?
@keithwilliams1243
@keithwilliams1243 3 ай бұрын
It seems to me that being compelled to stop for police when you have done nothing wrong just for the privilege of being subjected to a deliberate attempt to find any excuse no matter how trivial to extort your money is not only taking the piss but is the thin end of the wedge of fascism.
@OnkyoGrady
@OnkyoGrady Ай бұрын
Depts buy into very expensive vendor solutions that track vehicle stops, and without uniform data entry the whole thing is arguably valueless. So, it becomes hard policy to id everyone, as not being the person who wasted that many millions of dollars is far more personally important than the officers under your command losing a few civil suits that the municipality pays for.
@cjod33
@cjod33 4 ай бұрын
In Australia yes. Police can use a random breath test to stop you and request licence to make sure you are fully licensed and match with your rego Of course they then do a search on your licence and the rego has already been run before stopping you.
@peejaygeee
@peejaygeee 7 ай бұрын
The flip side to this annoying occurrence is that such random checks have two positives. If a driver of a car is found not to be the owner or is unqualified to drive ie, no licence or insurance they are immediately removed from the road therefore protecting the general public, secondly seeing such random stops a great number of people will be encouraged to carry their licences with them and check their insurance is up to date. I have been stopped many times and have had no problems and in spite of the continual and often quite deserved complaints the average copper is still well respected even if his superiors leave one frustrated.
@bleakyfinder2692
@bleakyfinder2692 7 ай бұрын
From my driving experience of over 50 years, most Police Officers do not even present themselves with their Name, Collar Number and from which Police Station that they are based. This unfortunately are New Police Officers without any Life Skills. They are arrogant.
@malcolm7548
@malcolm7548 Ай бұрын
under gdpr shouldn’t the police be issuing you with an explanation of what and why any information is requested and how the information is going to be used and how long it is being used and what actions are being taken to delete the info once the disclosed usage has completed. also if you gave your name and address to a police officer who claimed the information is to confirm your identity, would it be a data breach if at a later stage your name address and say photo was released to the public/press before a trial or even after you were sentenced
@haroldjones3799
@haroldjones3799 Жыл бұрын
Aggression breeds aggression, courtesy breeds courtesy. even if a person is in uniform being pleasant and courteous costs nothing and in general, and in my own experience, it is be reciprocated.
@st.george007
@st.george007 11 ай бұрын
In Canada we have the same problem with people getting influenced by watching USA feeds.
@jester_1973
@jester_1973 Жыл бұрын
Anyone can buy blue lights online, and uniforms can be acquired too. I don't stop for unmarked vehicles until I've checked with 111 to make sure the vehicle trying to stop me is a police vehicle. Not so long ago a chap was driving around in Newport, pulling people over in an unmarked car that he fitted with lights, and assaulting them.
@kimamey
@kimamey Жыл бұрын
I don't think I'd argue with the police anyway but it's good to know the law. I didn't think that MOT certificates existed now. It would be easy enough for the police to check that as it is for anyone else though.
@edeledeledel5490
@edeledeledel5490 4 ай бұрын
If you just happen to be walking away from the car involved and it has nothing to do with you, but the copper suspects you have been driving it, what can he insist on?
@brianmckinnon4591
@brianmckinnon4591 3 ай бұрын
We have the right not to self incriminate ! If you forget to renew a license or test cert then providing your details can lead you to self incriminate !
@TheRealSwampOperator
@TheRealSwampOperator Жыл бұрын
You know you've been trained real good when you dismiss this as " watching too many American movies"
@jamesbinderman5626
@jamesbinderman5626 Ай бұрын
163 and 164 give them that right,
@StephenJohnson-hl4kz
@StephenJohnson-hl4kz Ай бұрын
I liked this video and it explained alot. Thank you.
@s.rmurray8161
@s.rmurray8161 Жыл бұрын
you are required to produce a test certificate but the MOT station no longer issues them? also traffic officers are not policemen and are not anything to do with policing the roads. Traffic officers began working alongside police on motorways in the West Midlands. The national roll-out of traffic officers was completed on 18 July 2006, and they now cover all of the motorway network within England, i.e. that which is owned or managed by National Highways, and some of the all-purpose trunk road (APTR) network.Traffic operations play a significant role in achieving National Highways's three imperatives of safety, customer service and delivery. Traffic officers help to keep the roads moving and road users safe. They provide customer service every day of the year and assist with the delivery of schemes and projects, providing key services such as rolling road block.
@moorgunandmarshes
@moorgunandmarshes Жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, always informative content, but I have a niggle and would like your opinion. In the UK caution I have an issue in that there is an inference of guilt despite you being assumed innocent until proven guilty. Namely "But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something that you later rely on in Court." Why would you have to disclose anything to prove your innocence to any investigation UNTIL court if you have the right not to say anything?
@jons9721
@jons9721 Жыл бұрын
There no assumption of innocence when interacting with the police that is a court issue only. It's the job of the police to assume everyone is guilty until satisifed
@nickmaclachlan5178
@nickmaclachlan5178 Жыл бұрын
I would recommend that if the Police are intent on arresting you and taking you in to custody, you zip your lip and say absolutely nothing until you speak to a solicitor. Even if you are rock solid innocent, don't give them a bean. Then when you do have something to say, it is said by your solicitor and not you. Every interaction with a member of the Police force is a fishing expedition on their part. No answers = no chance for them to put two and two together and fabricate seventeen.
@jons9721
@jons9721 Жыл бұрын
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous made what up, just stating the obvious assumption of innocence is a trial concept and doesn’t exist outside a court. In fact for some crimes even that doesn’t apply. Admit to killing someone’s in self defence and the burden of proof is on you that it was self
@geordiewishart1683
@geordiewishart1683 Жыл бұрын
There is no U.K. caution. In Scotland, the right to silence is absolute.
@jons9721
@jons9721 Жыл бұрын
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous if the police assumed everyone was innocent they would never investigate anything and spend all day at starbucks
@_34_Lies
@_34_Lies Ай бұрын
Very useful. Thanks. Can I ask you to define the phrase "a constable in uniform"? For example, would someone who is wearing a stab vest with the word "Police" across the front of it constitute a constable in uniform? And taking the content of your video to a logical conclusion, can you explain the law where the police make a random stop and then demand to search your vehicle under the colour of law? This is another misunderstood sphere of policing. Thanks again 🙏
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 Жыл бұрын
The US police and the internet are making British Police's life so much more difficult.
@elgamerico
@elgamerico Жыл бұрын
They aren't. It's idiots who can't tell the difference between UK and US law.
@Loulizabeth
@Loulizabeth Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wondered about this. I wondered how many people forget the laws in different countries, are different. I know it seems like stating the obvious, but unfortunately I get the feeling at the moment it needs to be restated a bit more regularly.
@MrEdrftgyuji
@MrEdrftgyuji Жыл бұрын
That is because Americans have a lot more rights than the British. And the British had a lot more rights until Tony Blair happened.
@tomriley5790
@tomriley5790 Жыл бұрын
@@MrEdrftgyuji not really it's just our police are an awful lot better trained and professional than most US police.
@Loulizabeth
@Loulizabeth Жыл бұрын
@@MrEdrftgyuji Surely the point is not, nor should it be who has the most rights, but instead do the rights actually make for better circumstances and an environment for people to live and work, have families and be communities. Rights should serve a good purpose, and be used responsibly.
@jim.franklin
@jim.franklin 27 күн бұрын
I hjave known all these points since I started driving in 1984 when a friend who had joined the Met advised carrying my licence, MOT and Insurance in case of a stop because the coppers always got fed up with the peperwork involved for the 7 day wonders (Producers as they later got called). To this day my license goes everywhere with me, Insurance and MOT I have electronically. There is no point arguing with the Police because they will just find another reason to piss you off more and win - I have only ever been pulled for a reason - and that is hardly the coppers fault if I am in the wrong - however, I have noticed a trend in the last decade or so for the younger Police officers (they all seem younger than me now!) to get bolshy. Years ago a copper might swear at you if you are being a dick - nothing wrong with that, but some of the younger ones seem to be spoiling for conflict. The best coppers to be pulled by are the Motorbike coppers - down to earth and plenty of common sense. Having said all that - whilst I have been a passnger in vehicles pulled in the last 10 years - it is about 20 years since I was pulled over in the UK - pulled in Sweden, USA, Canada, Russia, Norway and China though - they love doing random stops :) Personally, I think we should be like Europe - carry your licence at all times, failure to produce at the roadside is a €50 fine.
@gavin6538
@gavin6538 5 ай бұрын
To be asked to produce an MOT certificate should not be in this list of documents. The DVSA have told testers to not print these and advise those presenting a vehicle for test as it is available to view online. Not surprisingly these changes in legal requirements don’t match.
@lilchris26
@lilchris26 Жыл бұрын
A police officer in a traffic car followed me after I had crossed a main rd. he turned into the road behind me and followed me where I stopped outside my house. I wound the window down and he just said it’s ok, I asked if I had done anything wrong and asked why he had followed me. He explained I had done nothing wrong, he had just seen the baseball cap I was wearing but when he actually saw me, I am a 74 year old I was not what he was expecting to see….lol
@UncleBenjs
@UncleBenjs Жыл бұрын
So the officer was profiling you due to the baseball cap. An officer like that is unfit for the job
@dougaldouglas8842
@dougaldouglas8842 Жыл бұрын
@@UncleBenjs They all profile, and with their devious bent mindset the lot should be dismissed
@johnmunro4952
@johnmunro4952 Жыл бұрын
I've never been pulled over( been breathalysed at a roadblock,passed .... Lucky they didn't swab me) but I've definitely has cops pull in behind me and run my plate through the ANPR computer,satisfy themselves and then overtake me and move on.
@hb1338
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@UncleBenjs Absolutely not. In general crims dress differently and behave differently from law abiding people. For example they are nearly three times as likely to have at least one tattoo.
@UncleBenjs
@UncleBenjs Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 OK.... LOL. I'm willing to bet there are more non crims with tattoo than otherwise. So, how is that going to be an indicator? You're thick as shit, are you a police officer? Seems possible
@paulmills1605
@paulmills1605 Ай бұрын
Haven't heard 'producer' for years. Ex job? I'm my early service it was common to call it a HORTY. Or 7 day wander, the wander term was in anticipation of them not producing docs within the 7 days or ever producing them. Then a warrant would be sought and they'd end up in court and as the issuing officer would be called to court to give evidence, normally during a rest day or off nights with no sleep. With the onset of PNC upgrades, a persons DL, MOT, insurance is available on the spot. So HORTy is few and far between. Whilst I don't recognise the police of today and I do believe there's a clear two tier policing, I remind people that without laws, order and the presence of enforcers/police, we as a society have chaos. When no one can exist without fear. Only the strongest will seize control and society would be tribal with the strongest in control. Police have a place to police by consent of the community, balanced, being proportionate and exercising discretion when the slight offence is apparent. Example when a driver is stopped with no seat belt, but further lawful examination of the vehicle reveals a partially bald, dangerous tire. I'd be inclined to warn for the seat belt offence, then offer a VDRS process to allow the owner/driver to avoid PG9 and a day in court if they abided by the VDRs process. If the driver is well known to police, there is a somewhat obvious different approach. Our job is to detect and prevent crime. When a known, well at it burglar is stopped and there's no evidence of burglary, there maybe opportunity to use the road traffic act to curb their ability to use vehicles long term to carry on their activity. Chipping away, legally, ending up with a likely disqualification of their DL. But they won't stop driving and will get caught, because whilst some of the public think we are as a collective, thick as mince, we are not. Some also forget that good cops actually run to calls of help, whilst others run away, they want things to be done, eg arresting people but then don't want to get involved or give crucial evidence. We also without any real training deal with the dark side of life, the death, mutilation of victims and crashes, children hurt by evil parents and murders, that could impact on our own mental health, without any tangible after support. So whilst we join to do a job to enbetter one's self and contribute to our communities, we can be tainted by the Game and what is throwns at us, if be a liar if I didn't admit that. We cope beacusr we have too. We still have the same bills you have, same issues of life, illness elderly parents and divorce.or break ups We are not an organisation to win popularity contests, but when you are law abiding people all we ask and my rule of thumb is treat everyone as you would wish any of your loved ones to be treated. It served me well but there are obvious situations that taking control and using proportionate force is essential to suppress bad guys and save yourself, so you can go home to see your kids. It's also not a job, for me after military service, it was a calling. But I'm glad.to be out. 😅
@BlesamaSoul
@BlesamaSoul Жыл бұрын
If you own/drive high value vehicles and are out late at night expect police to take an interest, (I really do not mind as they are doing their job and protecting property bu checking it's not been stolen) I have found if you are pulled over then being polite and telling them who you are with a licence provided asap gets you on your way within no time. Good video and a reminder that being helpful rather than a social media video star is better when dealing with police.
@noviceangler8084
@noviceangler8084 8 ай бұрын
There is also a situation that if an officer approaches your vehicle, you are allowed to ask why you have been stopped. If they state the act like 163, then all they can do is to have stopped the car. You can then clarify this as "is my handbrake on?, am I stationary?" That way you show you have complied with the act, but if the officer offers no request like "I am stopping you under 163 through to 165", you can state that you intend to leave scene as you have complied with 163. Under PACE ( Police And Criminal Evidence acts ). The officer also needs to be in uniform as BBB stated, but a clause is FULL uniform. If officer deems a ticket should be issued and does, make sure you have pic of officer without hat or in plain clothes. Last time I saw a ticket book, Mother barrister at Law and son in force, it stated in small print below signatory line, "you agree to the above offence being committed". You dont have to sign and you can refuse ticket. They will probably still post to you but by not signing, gives you a chance to argue ticket in court as you have not admitted to any wrongdoing by signing. Stay safe all.
@allanmartin1005
@allanmartin1005 8 ай бұрын
I past my driving test in 1966, and in all those years since I have only been stopped once for a routine check. I suppose being what you would call “old school” I produced all documents asked for. In a couple of minutes the Officer thanked me for my time and patience and sent me on my way ……. easy. It’s not rocket science, it’s that simple.
@garrywatters1140
@garrywatters1140 9 ай бұрын
So, when a copper asks you if you know why they stopped you then you can respond by saying because under the law you can.
@distantplaces6560
@distantplaces6560 5 ай бұрын
S.1 of PACE applies. A police officer in uniform can stop any person, vehicle or vessel etc etc People are watching far too much US based KZbin. The law is very different in the UK.
@barrycole5930
@barrycole5930 Жыл бұрын
Do they have the right to ask for ID of passengers? They have done that with me before and i cant understand why. Usually when i was the designated driver on a night out. I hate getting pulled over when there is no reason, its inconvenient and if you act frustrated as you say they just assume guilt of something. Its perfectly normal to be frustrated when pulled over for no reason, i hate they can do that in the UK.
@stuartchapman5171
@stuartchapman5171 5 ай бұрын
56yrs old. Ive been in many motoring scrapes with police over various vehicles, some modern some vintage with complex documentation requirements. The rule of thumb is be polite, you are dealing with the biggest gang of thugs in the contry, tooled up, have the might and powers to drag you off and detain you. If you resist, assault or prosecute, everyone of them knows where you live and what you drive. This was reinforced whilst living for 18 years in SE London, especially when they abandoned community policing 20yrs ago.
@dondons38
@dondons38 8 ай бұрын
Just for clarification, can we signal that we have accepted the pullover, such as putting on hazards and driving to a safe place such as a lit storefront?
@robbailie5878
@robbailie5878 Жыл бұрын
If a police officer pulled me over in my car i would happily show them my drivers license which has my name and address on AND tell them who I am insured with. Why would this ever be an issue? With the amount of uninsured drivers and people driving without a license on the roads I would happily take the time to prove that I am allowed to be in charge of a vehicle. Why do people have to be so antsy about it? It's no different to stop and search. Be polite to the police officer, don't be difficult, and 99.9% of the time if your not breaking the law they will just let you go about your normal day.
@leeanness4846
@leeanness4846 7 ай бұрын
A constable swears an oath to uphold common law they do not swear to uphold maritime admiralty law!!!!!!
@cabbageplays6710
@cabbageplays6710 Жыл бұрын
Thing is, when the police ask for your licence, it has your name, dob and address on it. So i am unsure why they would need to ask any other questions, if its to confirm who you are, well you handed the licence over, so why wouldnt you have read it before hand?? and thats if its not you. But it usually is you, so...... just not sure why they need to ask anything. If you get pulled over, have your licence ready with the documents, and dont say a word. You are not required to say anything. They have all the information they need with those documents.
@wizrom3046
@wizrom3046 Жыл бұрын
I was going to an event, in a taxi, and the cops bailed up the taxi and made ALL us passengers get out and give them licences, IDs etc. The cops were trying to harass the event., by harassing innocent attendees. 👎
@alanreid5136
@alanreid5136 Жыл бұрын
Acts are called acts because they act like laws. In law acts only apply to agents of the government. Vehicle and driver are commercial definitions.
@cliffcarter3514
@cliffcarter3514 6 ай бұрын
The issue of whether they can demand the name and address of any passenger was not mentioned here (unless l missed it).
@rickbear7249
@rickbear7249 8 ай бұрын
Note that it specifically says "a Constable" is empowered to ... Maybe I'm wrong (or the rules have changed) but I've always understood that this intentionally excludes police "Officers" so that each Constable must make his own decisions, and cannot be ordered how to act by an Officer. This all tying back to the police being civilians under local authority control, deliberately separate from government control (i.e. avoiding the possibility of England becoming a police state). Perhaps you could go into this in more detail?
@leedorey1490
@leedorey1490 Жыл бұрын
Showing your age indeed. I used to issue those producers HORT1 Vehicle defects were marked up using the VDRS form. Excise duty offences CLE26
@gedmack7012
@gedmack7012 Жыл бұрын
The public need more of these clips.
@bobdylan7120
@bobdylan7120 Жыл бұрын
So, the RTA states you have to produce an MoT Test Certificate when the police ask for it, but MoT Testing Stations no longer issue Certificates!
@thefiestaguy8831
@thefiestaguy8831 Жыл бұрын
Every MOT I've ever been to i've been given a bit of paper that says the test date, the location (and test site ID number), the name of the testing person and I recall it is signed (either electronically or wet signature), it also states either "PASS" or "FAIL" on it and has a list of advisories if any..... literally every single MOT test i've had i've always been given this and i've used many different garages.
@thetruth9210
@thetruth9210 Ай бұрын
there are too many laws in this country
@genome616
@genome616 Жыл бұрын
Most of the time you will not need to provide any further documents after confirming title and address with some form of ID, a data check will confirm the vehicle is taxed and insured and to what cover is provided for who and if they have a valid driving licence for said vehicle.
@chrissmith2114
@chrissmith2114 7 ай бұрын
There is an article by a renowned Psychologist that stated that the number one career choice for Pyschopaths is the Police force, how scary is that ?
@vilecoyote5673
@vilecoyote5673 8 ай бұрын
Please Clarify. When sections 163 etc. refer to "a Road" does this apply to both "Public Roads and also Private Roads" or to Public Roads Only?
@WinstonSmith685
@WinstonSmith685 Жыл бұрын
Hi BBB, This question might get buried in the replies but can you clarify what is defined as a "traffic officer". You see Highways Agency "traffic officers" attending to broken down vehicles on motorways but I'm assuming this is not what is meant by the term. Does the term Traffic Officer as defined under the RTA only apply to motorway cops?
@MummaBear
@MummaBear 11 ай бұрын
I approached a bobby and said I've parked on the double yellow because i have a puncture and this was the safest place. Thinking he would advise me where i could get it fixed. He kindly changed the wheel for me. Rochester police 👍
@heartofoak45
@heartofoak45 Жыл бұрын
I am writing this before I have listened to your video. Of course, they can stop you and also demand the production of your driver's licence, certificate of insurance, and test certificate. As soon as you enter your vehicle it is like opening Pandora's Box, even if you haven't started the engine, you are 'in charge' of the vehicle.
@Myk_EP
@Myk_EP 7 ай бұрын
Boils down to the definition of 'Driver'
@davidburne9477
@davidburne9477 4 ай бұрын
“Random stop checks” where the definition of the word random is routinely abused. Should be called “targeted” if they want to be definitionally correct…
@harryzero1566
@harryzero1566 Жыл бұрын
Two questions, if you own the vehicle and show your driving licence, do you have to speak or answer questions? MOT and insurance qualifications are stored on the DVLA data base. Do you have to answer where you've come from or where you're going?
@JustAGameShow
@JustAGameShow 8 ай бұрын
Daniel, just as a side query for you.. Sometimes different counties get local councils/HMRC stop points in the UK stopping work vehicles to check if the people in them aren't claiming benefits while working.. Are they also legally allowed to ask for details too or is it just the Police?
@phillipleathley5833
@phillipleathley5833 Жыл бұрын
At 6.02 you state that some one must produce there driving lience, i find that odd as the chief constable of yorkshire has on numerous times asked for people not to carry there driving lience with them in a car due to risk of theft.
@k1ortia
@k1ortia Жыл бұрын
Yet people forget, there is no law that requires you to exist your vehicle, wind down your windows or open your doors..fact!
@DovidM
@DovidM 7 ай бұрын
I was stopped once while walking on Knightsbridge by two special constables . They asked me if anyone had run past. I said no. They then asked for my details. I asked if I’m required to provide my details. They said I must provide my details whenever asked. After I gave them my name and address, they walked off. Not sure why they bothered with all that if they were in pursuit of someone.
@matrix5062
@matrix5062 7 ай бұрын
Great, spot-on but, I don't feel most would disagree with your dry conclusion, or that is the main argument regarding any stop by the police, accept... You forgot to deal with the clear harassment stops... which is abuse of this privilege to stop anyone, or namely… The same person 'repeatedly'! Is not reasonable cause... but harassment! But as normal, a typical system answer to a system associate who needs them on his side...! so questioning any officer why one is pulled up AGAIN...is 'reasonable suspicion' THE DRIVER is doing something wrong??… REALLY!!!
@colinjones9211
@colinjones9211 6 ай бұрын
I live in Spain where things are slightly different.... you do what they ask. You must carry ID as standard, passport or residency card whether driving or not and you must carry you driving licence, insurance, MOT and log book. No producers just a fine. Also you cannot film them, their cars or in fact any government official at all. So next time someone in Britain or America starts to moan about Police rights remember you have it easy.
@anthonytoft-brown5025
@anthonytoft-brown5025 Жыл бұрын
Question - what is a road under the Act? Versus private land or different public rights of way or not public rights of way over public access land?
@themanwithnoname9333
@themanwithnoname9333 Жыл бұрын
This salesman and his place of work “ it’s an act and your traveling ! Tell the real law ! X
@MarkGardiner-g2y
@MarkGardiner-g2y Жыл бұрын
You failed to explain the definition of "a road". In the context of the law you were explaining, it refers to 'a road " being "The Kings Highway ". The law is completely different when on private land or road.
@Sdrawkcab_mi
@Sdrawkcab_mi Жыл бұрын
Name, address and who owns the vehicle. You do not need to exit the vehicle, or sit in theirs unless being arrested for a named crime. End of... passengers don't have to give details as stopped under RTA not PACE
@ps8432
@ps8432 3 ай бұрын
Random stops are jot so regular today because of ANPR cameras. They do occasionally happen, so never rely on American KZbin videos. UK law isn't the same.
@JohnDoe-l8c
@JohnDoe-l8c 3 ай бұрын
It is ILLEGAL to use a LEGAL NAME......asking for a NAME is the crime of PERSOAGR AAN BARATRY and ACTS apply ONLY to CORPORATIONS!!!
@somebodyelseuk
@somebodyelseuk Жыл бұрын
They shouldn't need to ask your name and address, MoT, insurance, since all that info is available from the number plate check. In which case, you have no reason to not give the info. anyway.
@colineastwood1357
@colineastwood1357 8 ай бұрын
What a shame that we - who have several big and just reasons - cannot remove our financial support for what has (apparently) become a Corporate business and mostly, just a bloody nuisance to the public; IF that really is the case... HOW HAVE THEY GOT AWAY WITH IT? Seemingly REAL criminals are able to get off and/or provide resistance to being interfered with the trivia of being harassed for real crime, that being too much trouble it seems, we are where we are.
@kopwolfGaming
@kopwolfGaming 9 ай бұрын
problem is 70% of the police dont know the laws themselves. seen many occasion where they have googled it when confronted them walked away
@jonathanfoster4243
@jonathanfoster4243 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a police officer in uniform includes his hat, if he hasn't a hat on, he's not deemed to be in uniform?
@jonathanfoster4243
@jonathanfoster4243 Жыл бұрын
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous ok, thank you for clearing that up, so when the law states a police officer in uniform may stop a mechanically propelled vehicle with out cause, the officer concerned doesn't have to have a uniform on at all? The law is not usually that ambiguous.
@philiprowney
@philiprowney 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if the MOT is still produced, as it is now a matter of public record!? [ can be looked up online ]
@Arfabiscuit
@Arfabiscuit Жыл бұрын
I lived and worked in central london for 40 years . The police often pulled me up for surveys i never once gave my details and they never once insisted on taking them . I wanted them to know in the politiest possible way that they were wasting both our time .
@shaundixon3645
@shaundixon3645 Жыл бұрын
I heard some time ago that any police officer involved in stopping directing traffic. Can demand details of all occupants in car and of any passers by , is this true
@QueenBabylonnia
@QueenBabylonnia 7 ай бұрын
To many people watch American videos about the police and are following what they see goes on there. The UK is a different country with different laws. Can you imagine being in Russia and demanding the police there don’t follow what ones ‘idea’ of the law should be. My concern is the fact that if police are called nowadays the response is next to nothing and real criminals are getting away, but they will arrest someone because their feelings are offended, or they want someone to move on because they have a British flag, or praying (Christian). Yet the mobs that have gathered and dissent by certain groups and flying foreign flags etc., is ignored.
@nobodynobody3392
@nobodynobody3392 Жыл бұрын
Only from the driver, not the passengers.
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