Väinämöinen, The Ultimate Hero Of Finland - Finnish Myth -

Väinämöinen is by far one of the craziest and most interesting characters from Finnish mythology, here are just a few of his stories, and his backstory.
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[@eemelisaurila9940]

For anyone interested, here's a version of the poem "birth of väinämöinen and the world" being sung by finns: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joPHdKZ7i6uXaqs There's also english subtitles, which are not exact, but rather bring the point across while maintaining the rythm

[@BlackDragonTavern]

You mind if I pin the comment so others can go watch it?

[@eemelisaurila9940]

@@BlackDragonTavern no, not at all! The more the merrier, these men deserve it!

[@lyrigageforge3259]

@@BlackDragonTavern Well to mention us Finns - you see words still have power to summon things - including us... Now be careful with that might. ^^

[@teyanuputorti7927]

thank you

[@Caldera01]

As a Finn, I feel compelled to comment: "Helvetti perkele on your perse!" Quite happy someone is checking our largely overlooked mythology. Most people think we go with the Norse one and doesn't even know we have our own instead.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol well thank you kindly. And I was fortunate to be born into these stories, I even spent a little time in Finland as a wee lad. Not long enough to pick up the language well through 😂😅

[@ajanhattara]

sounded more like swedish to me, as another finn. "Helvete, Pärsson on your person!"

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Admittedly, it was a bit swedish 😂

[@amadeuz8161]

As a Finswe Karelian by blood(my group of the people added the most to kalevala as I understod it) I would think even the Swedes would use something like "fan jävla arsle" would translate "Saatanan perkelen perse". Like who would use "on your a$$" when swearing. Never heard one say "Fan jävlar på ditt arsle". Google translate gives "Damn the devil is your a$$" for "Helvetti perkele on your perse". Yes it can be that you are a finn but then you need to get educated in how to swear, really badly. Like what will you do when you stumble on a bear and the best that comes out of you is "Damn the devil is your a$$" maybe it will fall down laughing at you but...

[@osemarvin2847]

J.R.R Tolkien, as a linguist and the creator of Lord of The Rings, was very, very fond of Finnish language and mythology of Kalevala. Gandalf is based on Väinämöinen - and the Elven language he created is very similar to Finnish language. He liked the tender and flowy nature of Finnish language, so he decided that it should be the language of the Elves - fairest creatures of them all. And that's a fact. And we Finns are very proud of that.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Absolutely true, Tolkien was obsessed with lore and language, but the Celts, Scandinavians and the Finns held a particular place in his heart.

[@wispywhiskers3502]

The Finnish name used for the kind of spellcaster such as Väinämöinen is "tietäjä", literally meaning "knower". They channel their powers through music, yes, but that power is based on knowledge, particularly the knowledge about the birth and origins of things, called "synty". If you knew the "synty" of something you'd have power over it; for example Ilmarinen sings about the "synty" of iron while forging the Sampo. It's been theorized that the reason the spells were sung was because the knowledge was guarded closely and the singing was an attempt to garble the words to make them less obvious 😆 Knowing this adds an interesting depth to the story of Väinämöinen's departure; a newborn child spoke to Väinämöinen about his origins, his "synty", and the origins of the world; the child had power over him and of many other things. He was ashamed but he might also have thought such a child a better leader for his people than he was.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I was actually aware of most of this EXCEPT the bit about the baby knowing his name, I don't believe I had heard that, that's a fascinating bit of lore👆

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Secrets? Hmmm, don't sound right to me. I think origin-poems just were explanations how things came to be. And in poem form alike everything else so that the information would be preserved unchanged to the newer generations.

[@rya7642]

I only the Sampo from Noita

[@reigoj8228]

Tale of the child is supposed to be reference to the first king of finland, which is historically accurate tale that includes a man named Väinö vanha, ruler of kemi. The family of väinö went by name väinämöinen and they were such a big historical figures that their family is recorded in norse mythology too as the waemundians, and väinö in those tales is called waemund the old strong. Translating that back you get vaka vanha väinö Norri and Korri, Norr and gorr, founders of norrland and the idea of norway, are also stated to be grandsons of waemund in norse mythologies.

[@Aurinkohirvi]

@@reigoj8228 Oh come on! Historically accurate! So you think Väinö Vanha was born from air goddess and lived millenias and went Afterlife realm and back. It's not historically accurate, and the birth of Väinämöinen occurs in world creation story, and that's far older than some Viking Age stories, probably millenias older. He is a myth. Of course some myths may have historical characters behind it... but we don't know that. As well people could have been named after this ur-hero later. Don't go declaring such things as certainties, as it is all guesswork.

[@VirtuesOfSin]

"I didn't think that people would watch my videos" - To be fair, I'm not Finnish so I probably wouldn't count as one of the people who would complain but... xD

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol I was informed that the two national past times or Finn's is correcting people and enjoying when people mention them😂

[@loveforfrog]

@@BlackDragonTavern I am Finnish and can confirm xD

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol well I am always happy to oblige

[@lyrigageforge3259]

@@BlackDragonTavern Finland mentioned - lets meet at the market place - Torilla Tavataan! ^^

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Indeed 😁

[@Honne1064]

I'm so so terribly sorry for the way I treated you in the last video you did on Finnish Mythology. You seem like a cool guy, you didn't deserve all that. You probably don't remember me, but I hope each of us can grow a little as a person :)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I appreciate you🙏 I try not to take anything that happens online too seriously, and I don't hold who a person is online against them. Mean comments are usually a result of a bad day or getting caught up on the moment. I appreciate you coming in to say this. I hope we both continue to grow my friend 🙏💚

[@suupuhtaaksi-podi]

I'm so happy that KZbin channels like this are making the Kalevala known to us Finns as well. The Kalevala is cool when talked about in English! :D

[@BlackDragonTavern]

It is my pleasure, and I am very glad you enjoyed 🙏

[@Minunmaani]

And, may I add, the writer Tolkien was one of influencers that we have these stories alive these days. As the forest elves in Tolkien world, the language had some Finnish to it.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Absolutely 👆

[@reme7903]

The instance where Väinämöinen sang his opponent into the swamp he didn't kill him. The man was Joukahainen, a young confident man and he went on to do alot of stuff afterwards. The excange is known as the "kilpalaulanta" or "competitive singing"

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Very interesting 🤔

[@karoliinalehtinen6701]

I often avoid Finnish mythology videos because they are often pretty bad (even when by Finns) but I'm glad I didn't this time, because I was pleasantly surprised! Also you pronunciation was surprisingly good! I'm not going to hold pronunciation of Finnish against people :'D I have some notes and extra thoughts though because I can't shut up about Finnish mythology. In older mythology Väinämöinen is kinda a lesser god, not as primordial origin as depicted in Kalevala. He is in older mythology, a son of Kaleva, Kaleva being a god king of humans. Sons of Kaleva are these kinda demigod giants who shaped the earth, had weird adventures and were usually gods of some human activity/important profession (Ilmarinen - smith, Väinämöinen - sage (tietäjä)). Kalevala is the place, Kaleva is the person. -la ending in Finnish denotes place. In Finnish mythology all the gods have their own realms with their own palaces, named after themselves. So Kaleva has Kalevala, Tuoni has Tuonela (death), Tapio has Tapiola (forest) and so on. Before Kalevala Louhi was Loviatar, goddess of illness and daughter of Tuoni, the god of death. The deities of death before Christianity weren't seen as evil, scary yes, but not evil. Kalevala separates Loviatar and Louhi into different characters (while they were just different variations of the same character in different areas) and then mixes Louhi with the Pohjan akka (Hag of the North). It's not a huge leap as Tuonela was literally in north. Everything in Finnish mythology is in the same horizontal plane. Pohjola though is associated with winter and cold, and they were seen as kinda evil or at least antagonistic. I don't think Kalevala in general is a very good source for Finnish mythology. It's an okay source for Karelian folklore though. Kalevala is mostly gathered in different areas of Karelia. Karelians are one of the Baltic Finns, which also includes Finns and Estonians (and others), and therefore they do have very similar mythology and folklore as Finns, but there's differences too. And in addition Elias Lönnroth did take some artistic liberties when putting the myths together, like the ones I mentioned earlier, so it's debatable how much it tells about Karelian folklore either. In general it's not very useful to look at Baltic Finnish mythology through the Indo-European lens, because at it's core it's widely different. There's influences though of course, but they are more surface level character traits and such. As said Baltic Finnish mythology is horizontal unlike Indo-European mythologies, which are vertical with underworlds for the death and heavens for gods. The gods are all kings and queens of their own realms, everyone relating to a natural phenomena. Everyone of these natural realms have a king and queen, who have both their own tasks in their kingdoms, they have children, who are lesser gods, and they have servants, who are the elves (nature guardian spirits basically). The heroes in Kalevala are basically the lesser gods as they are sons of a god. They were deities of humans. There was actually another god king of humans, Untamo, who was Kaleva's brother, with his own realm and children, and who mostly just represented the specific tribe the tribe telling the story was at war with. They were kinda the deities of humans. My interpretation is that in their worldview humans were just one part of nature and so they also had gods but they were no more special than the other deities. The reason why the "higher" gods, the kings and queens, aren't talked about so much in folk poetry and spells, is that they were powerful and likely kinda scary and they shouldn't be bothered or their names evoked in small matters. The lesser gods or elves could deal with more daily matters.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Well thank you for the compliment, as well as for the excellent and insightful comment. I did know some of this, but I wanted to go with the simpler more accessible version just so there would be as little bickering as possible 😅 I had only ever heard the stories told in Gaelge when I made the first video, so I made a point to have one of your countrymen tutor me for the next one 😂 my accent still affects the vowels, but it is much better than my first go through. I hope to see you more in the future here in the Tavern 😁

[@danielmalinen6337]

In actual, genuine folk poems, not in the Kalevala, Väinölä or Suvantola is mentioned as Väinömöinen's habitat, which, depending on the location, refers to backwaters or river mouths. The place of Kalevala as a place is actually an invention of Elias Lönnrot.

[@karoliinalehtinen6701]

@@BlackDragonTavern I think that's understandable decision, if you'd go into every nuance the video would be very long! And I'll be certainly checking out more of your videos :)

[@karoliinalehtinen6701]

@@danielmalinen6337 It's not Lönnrot's invention. The other options are more often used instead of Kalevala but Kalevala as a mythological place preceeds Lönnrot in folk poems. Like in Kalevala the book different versions are mixed in together and Kalevala gets then a more prominent role than it was in any or most versions of the folklore.

[@danielmalinen6337]

@@karoliinalehtinen6701 My source was SKS book called Kalevala lipas, written by Matti Kuusi and Pertti Anttonen. It could be that there was incorrect information about the creation and writing of Lönnrot's Kalevala because it is from the 1999. But I still consider it a reliable book. And in addition to this, another good SKS book, this time about Finnic mythology, has been Itämerensuomalainen Mytologia by Anna-Leena Siikala, published in 2012.

[@aksuahkera4052]

Somehow much more interesting to listen a foreigner dive in to kalevala than it was reading about it at school,and we read it a lot in classroom.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Well, I'm glad I can bring some of that joy of storytelling outside the classroom 😅😁

[@Klarud]

Voi Helvetin Perkele sun perseelles! I have to add that Don Rosas Väinämöinen (Aka "The Quest for Kalevala") is one of the best Väinämöinen out there, combining two things that Finnish people love: Donald Duck and Finland being mentioned.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol the Kalevala with Scrooge McDuck was a solid one too

[@craigbenttimaki2806]

Finnish American here. Just letting you know that I have the same Celtic Tree of Life tapestry as you have behind you.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That's awesome 😁

[@pihlaya4475]

Your pronunciation of "Ilmatar" and "Sampo" are spot on (the stress on the first syllable thing gets many times overlooked by foreigners when saying Finnish names) Other names may need some practice though. For example, I heard you say smth like "Pohoola" instead of the correct name "Pohjola"(phonetically smth like POHH-YO-LA) So the "y" ("j" in Finnish) sound was missing:) Great video and good to see videos about Finnish mythology. :))

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Spectacular 👆 I love me some constructive feedback 🙏

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

@@BlackDragonTavern If Poh-jo-la is too hard to figure out Po-ho-jo-la will do, some dialects add vowels between consonants like that.

[@pihlaya4475]

@@BlackDragonTavern Happy to help! Love your content so far :) Some of the videos have undeservingly low viewcounts imho

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Yeah, unfortunately my content is too broad for KZbin's algorithm to really push it out, which makes growth a lot harder. If I wanted them to push it out I'd need to focus on one type of myth or stories. But that would defeat the purpose😅 so I'll keep making what I love and eventually patrons like yourself will find it and fall in love with it like I have😁

[@varfolomeisvidsandstuff9026]

Helvetti perkele! I don't know if it's been discussed in some of your videos before, but I REALLY like Väinämöinen singing in order to use his spells and magic. That's why I always felt captivated by the scene in LotR where Gandalf and Saruman speak/sing to the mountain Redhorn to make it wake and rise up in anger and, conversely, to calm down and sleep.

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Ancient Finnish poems were oral tradition at least from Bronze Age. The ending of Väinämöinen is of course millenias younger layer, which only comes after Christianity has taken hold in pagan Finland.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Of course, just like 99% of all modern pagan lore👆

[@ItsAweeb]

The best Part of that final poem is that even when it is clearly a christian influence, its not exactly out of place and very much just as important as rest of the poems In essence you could call that particular incident the synty of Christianity, but in the context of Finnish mythology Extremely clever in my opinion, given that knowing how something came to be gives it legitimacy and influence over it. For example knowing the synty of wounds was one way to heal them (you needed to know the origins of the very 1st wound and leverage this knowledge over the new wound that was basically an offspring to the original.. so basically you told the wound to go away or you tell their parents what a prick you were which is just supremely amusing

[@IrishinFinland]

This was great stuff! You should have a look at Estonia's version of the Kalevala, Does mention Väinämöinens aul lad! (Father for the people wondering what aul lad is) 😅

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I love the Estonian Kalevala! Speaking of mate, how would you like to do a collaboration for the next Finnish myth video I put out??

[@IrishinFinland]

@@BlackDragonTavern Absolutely! Would love that!

[@valdeklaur]

​@@BlackDragonTavern not sure what you guys are referring to. Estonia's myth is Kalevipoeg (son of Kalev), and though the main character does go to Finland (mostly to do some mischief like raping and stealing), i'm not sure that he ever met with Väinamöinen there. These two stories are quite distinct and I think that both show quite interestingly the nature and relationships of both people.

[@PoPcheesemo]

Whoa! This is a crazy good idea. I have been subscribed to both of you for quite a while now and never even thought how cool a collaboration between you two would be.

[@AxleethaakiLler]

suomi ei ole ensimmäinen kieleni, pahoittelut mahdollisista virheistä. rakastan suomea ja mytologiaa, kiitos kun puhuit huomiotta jääneestä mytologiastamme!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Yeah, totally 🧐

[@17leprichaun]

thank you for the content and you great style!

[@KristenKras]

I'd love to hear more Finnish stories (love the Irish ones too!). I'm curious about a story about a death in a river and a death goddess... not sure how it goes, I'm sure you could figure it out :) BTW, I love your accent! I'm also interested in Finnish stories because I discovered some Finnish ancestry. Not expected at all.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Yes indeed. The stories of Tounela are spectacular 😁 Thank you for coming in to the Tavern, as always 👆

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Death in a river? Do you mean Lemminkäinen, whose mother collected his pieces from Tuonenjoki (River of Tuonela)? Death goddess? Do you mean Loviatar or Kalma? Or maybe their mother Tuonetar who is the goddess of afterlife (Tuonela)?

[@sampommeen3392]

Another incredible fact about Finnish folklore is that so many magic spells have been collected from the Balto-Finnic area (most in the world, in fact!). I have been reading up on them more and I find them very inspiring.

[@ServalShots]

Where could we see these spells ? Maybe combine them with kantele playing and the method of being a knower (tietaja) and knowing the origin and birth of things (synty)

[@ilarious5729]

I've waited for this one! All heil Väinämöinen! 💪

[@BlackDragonTavern]

👆👆👆😎

[@ilarious5729]

The first pronunciations already got me giggle, this is gonna be good 👌😄

[@BlackDragonTavern]

How was my swearing? Lol

[@ilarious5729]

@@BlackDragonTavern don't worry, it was excellent! 👌 Ofc when you're not native there's always room for improvement 😄

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Absolutely, even if I were native, I'd wager I'd still have room for improvement 😅😁

[@ilarious5729]

@@BlackDragonTavern I mean, I'm native and sometimes ask what words mean and don't even get me started with dialects holy mother of goddesses

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I can only imagine 😂

[@lthefifteenth661]

Jokes on you, I'm Finnish Canadian so of course I'll watch your video. And don't worry. I gotta correct my partner how to pronounce "hyvä" almost every time I try and teach them vocabulary.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol greatly appreciated 🙏

[@Mr-Cane]

If i remember right(😅) there was one version of this story about Väinämöinen and Baby King (PS. it was just like you said Väinämöinen would representing old ways while Baby King would represent as Jesus or christianity 😂) Väinämöinen said that Baby would be future King of Finnsh but not a fair king to all, so Väinämöinen tried to persuade others to abandon the child for sake that next possible king would be fair to all. But when the child heard that it started to oppose to Väinämöinen buy questioning and insulting old and foolish Väinämöinen while reminding that Väinämöinen him self said that he would be King of Finnsh. For that Väinämöinen became angry to the baby for using his words against him and sad when the others Finns were starting to agreeing child's worlds, so not to star to fight between Finns he chooses to leave, but he reminded to all that when time comes and finnish people's needed his help, he would come for them.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That's much more detailed than what is in the Kalevala, but I like that much better 👆😁

[@matkahenkilo8554]

I recall learning this part as a combinayion of these two. The baby was not a king in this version but a newborn as in this video. But thre babys arguments and the reactions of the people and Väinämöinen were like in this comment. I like the "comment version" better because it feels more in line with the chracter (and also the finnish temperament, or atleast the way I interperent it) He was angry and sad but did offer counsil and promises to return if needed. Rather than taking a beating from a child and throwing a temper tantrum and leaving 😅

[@ShadowDancer3598]

I enjoy the stories wither they are clan lore or other lore. Your after credit scenes are great I hope they become a regular thing.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Cheers my friend, I appreciate you🙏

[@ashwinnmyburgh9364]

What is "clan lore"? I literally just found this channel, but am a bit lost.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

My grandfather is the head of a clan from Ireland that traces its roots back over 100 generations. That Clan has a long standing tradition stretching it's Length of collecting and handing down stories from wherever we go. So we have tens of thousands of stories, both the academic lore that's widely available, as well as stories and traditions that are uniquely kept by the Clan, some are minor variances and some completely change the understanding of a particular lore or mythos. We don't profess them to be any sort of absolute truth, just stories that were at one point told. This is why I give the caveat in the beginning of the video that most of the stories are told as they are handed down through our Clan

[@unseencrowyomare4143]

In the version I'm familiar with, sampo made grain, salt and gold. It could be read as sampo making/giving its owner bounty of nature, sea and earth. But who knows. Also... I think they wanted one specific wif from the north lands, Louhi's beautiful daughter, and only Ilmarinen managed to survive trials put up by Louhi.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I love this comment 👆😂

[@Kardinaalilintu]

It's good to remember that grain and salt were the most valuable things, one could own for a really long time in history. Thus the Sampo spewing salt and grain was basicly offering the best riches for its owner. I can't say about the gold, since it doesn't offer immediate beneficial qualities aside from being pretty. It only later secures the monetary token value that today puts it on a pedestal. Edit// Since this version on Sampo is from the book Kalevala, I also can't say, what parts Lönrot made up to make the book more relatable for his audience.

[@unseennobody]

Sampolla mannaa

[@Son-of-Tyr]

Just kind of stumbled upon this channel. Great video! Love the content. Very funny and entertaining, my friend. Going to give you a bit of a binge today. Looking forward to more Finnish mythology and maybe some early medieval Finnish history?

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I am most certainly open to it. I will tell whatever stories I have 😁 I am very glad you're enjoying your romp through the Tavern my friend 😁

[@CelestionPhoenix]

The origin story of Väinämöinen and his mother reminds me of the Gnostic story of Sophia and Yaldabaoth

[@Thehangedempress]

That last bit got me good 😂😂😂 yes bring in your gods, we have many here! 🖤🖤🖤 I live, I die, I live again 🤣☠️🖤

[@BlackDragonTavern]

It is one of my favorite tales from Finland 😂

[@jopera7798]

General story of sampo taught in schools (yes. they teach it) is that sampo produced salt, flour and gold when turned.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Yes. That's one of the versions I've noted. There's a version I read that said it produced sprouted seeds for fielding, or fresh water.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Even just in Finland itself I've heard so many different versions it's absolutely spectacular, but I do believe you're correct 👆

[@maneasd4600]

man as a finn im so glad you gave me a spark to engage with finnish mythology more!!

[@markusmakela9380]

Everything would been clear in history of Kalevala and Kalevipoeg if we are able to find ”Kaali craft”. ”Sampo” was machine by blacksmith Ilmarinen. But his masterpiece was time machine. Not material thing. Can’t explain shortly. The key is a native-Vepsä language human from years 800-1200. Only this kind of citizen could correct/perfect understand finnish, estonian, carelian and poetic words. Well, impossible 🤔😶

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That is the very purpose and nature of the Tavern my friend, I'm glad you're in the spirit.😁

[@Chokwik]

very well put video! thank you. for me, the most interesting part about the leaving of Väinämöinen is the age gap metaphora.. Christianity was 'young' at that time, but the relation makes me think how old was the old culture.. Numerical relations like that in kalevala always peaks my interest :)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Even if it does change the spirit of the stories that may have been told centuries ago, it's still a brilliant and beautiful illustration 👆

[@Chokwik]

@@BlackDragonTavern yes, beautiful stories, with much insight

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Indeed🙏

[@elderscrollsswimmer4833]

I wonder if there was a prophecy about a fatherless child defeating Väinämöinen and as the common thing is with prophecies: Trying to prevent it from coming (by the judging) will merely cause it to happen. OTOH, it's one thing if a goddess gives a virgin birth after several centuries of pregnancy; the boys mother was a humble maiden - just a mortal, normal human. The things about Joukahainen too-- he keeps asking "what do you know" - even hinting about the area he is not familiar with considering he had stayed at home all his life.

[@Chokwik]

@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Joukahine is very interesting character, having a lot of mentions outside kalevala.. also being someone so knowledged (according to some story) they were stuck debating for so long with Väinämoine that tree branches were starting to grow from their wagons :D

[@racheljacobs933]

I missed you yesterday for lunch so I watched you today

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I am very glad to be a part of your daily rituals :)

[@eemelisaurila9940]

Very nice video! Names were still getting butchered, but I think we as finns have mostly gotten used to it XD. One tip I'd give is that while google translate hates finns, so do not trust it, but the way it says Väinämöinen pretty good, and gives a pretty good example on how to actually say the ä Cheers!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I did actually have a gentleman from Finland help me learn pronunciation. But I know it still sounds strange with my accent😅

[@eemelisaurila9940]

@@BlackDragonTavern yeah, trying to speak in a foreign language with an accent is a combination doomed to failure, but at least you have a certain flair to it, so it doesn't feel as bad as when some people do it!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Well I'll take that as a huge compliment my friend 🙏😁

[@ilarious5729]

Google has actually gotten so much better in just few months basically

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I try to get my tutoring from people, so one of your countrymen coached me😁😅 my accent still affects the pronunciation though

[@ottohannunen]

Such a great tavern keep! Nice to see another Finnish myth video! You know I have to say something about pronunciation of Louhi (sorry about that :D), the way you say it makes it sound like it's written as Lauhi, for future reference try saying it more like "low - he". Helvetti perkele on your perse!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol thank you. Yeah, I noticed in editing my Gael vowels were punching in there 😅

[@eclipsedbadger]

Been so long since I read the Kaleva/Kalevala, but I loved Väinämöinen...even if him tricking Ilmarinen to get the Sampo felt really foul. Unrelated but...Getting a Spanish version of the Kalevala was so hard! I had to go to a lot of bookstores in Buenos Aires to finally find a copy 🙄 Good to find a channel that even mentions Kalevala! Consider me interested 👀

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you for the compliments🙏 It's even difficult to find them in English. Not a lot of work that's gone into translation of the Kalevala. The first one I read was written in Gaelge

[@boredcryptek5513]

The crazy thing is stuff like the Lord of the Rings drew tons of inspiration from Finnish mythology and yet no one talks about it. One of the cooler things I picked up living in Finland was some of their myths. Though I can't read the Kalevala in it's original form yet xD.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Oh yeah, there is a MAJOR inspiration from the Scandinavian/Western European lores in lord of the rings. I've wanted to do a video on it.😅

[@boredcryptek5513]

@@BlackDragonTavern indeed. Tolkien so I was told anyways was the first to translate the Kalevala to English. He also had significant skill in most European languages and read their original myths and used them as inspiration for his world and from there inspired so many others. Elvish for example is a combination of Finnish and Welsh. Essentially Finnish grammar rules and Welsh pronunciation and so on. Makes it almost impossible to learn.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Indeed, with some inspiration from Scotch Gaelic and Irish Gaelge as well. He was a friend of my grandfather's, though more in a professional sense than in a personal one. The man was supposedly brilliant when it came to languages, even supposedly had a tongue for mandarin as well👆

[@yatalore]

When i was young (In Finland) i was taught the Sampo basically just generated all the riches itself, and didnt take them from anywhere. And it didnt cause salted ocean, it just broke during the scuffle as both Louhi and Ilmarinen/Väinämöinen wanted it so in the fight they both accidentally destroyed it and the remains sunk into the sea. The pieces then washed up on the shores and became some of the world's most valuable artifacts.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That is certainly one of the many tales told of the Sampo👆

[@nettioma1235]

I thank you sir for great story tavernkeeper. We shall drink for your name! Skal!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Cheers my friend, and thank you for your patronage 😎😁👆

[@osemarvin2847]

Kalevala - direct translation is "Home of the Heroes".

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you for that my friend 🙏

[@osemarvin2847]

@@BlackDragonTavern No worries, my friend :)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

🙏💚

[@sampommeen3392]

do you have the video on Ilmatar and the creation of the world?

[@dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007]

HELL YEAH!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

👆👆👆

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

Concerning song magic, it can also be found in the rest of the Nordics. In Scandinavia and Iceland it is called Sejd.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Absolutely. There are song magics all over the world. Finland and Estonia are unique in the sense that their poetry was almost exclusively sung

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

@@BlackDragonTavern I guess that is possible.

[@arytisaari]

One of tolkiens stories is a direct "copy" of the story of kullervo from the kalevala, if i remember correctly the books name is either "the narn" or "the children of Húrin". It is a great story and really worth the read :)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Children of hurin is a SPECTACULAR book. So much darker than his other works. I love it.👆

[@arytisaari]

@@BlackDragonTavern easily one of my favourites :D

[@BlackDragonTavern]

And criminally underrated, you might be only the third person I've spoken to that's read the whole thing

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

Interesting video, thanks! There's a persistent belief (including, or perhaps especially here in Finland) that Finnish mythology is somehow totally separate and divorced from other European mythologies, on the grounds of "Finnish is Uralic, the rest are Indo-European". I'd say that's a huge oversimplification; those are language groups, not cultural identities or ethnicities. Nobody would lump Finnish and Samoyedic, or Irish and Punjabi together into the same culture just because they share the same linguistic ancestor 4000+ years in the past. Early Uralic speakers began to intermingle with early indoeur. speakers before the uralic speakers ever even came into what we now consider to be Europe. Proto-Finnic people themselves were the result of uralic speakers mixing first with proto-indoeur speakers, then proto-baltics, then proto-germanics, and then later baltic, germanic and slavic peoples. For anyone interested in this topic who can read Finnish, I highly recommend the book Itämerensuomalaisten Mytologia by Anna-Leena Siikala. She goes into great depth analyzing the influences and overlap between Finnish mythology and those of neighboring countries.

[@user-cr1xn5yk7g]

helvetin perkele perseeseesi :D:D

[@BlackDragonTavern]

😂😂🙏

[@olafthebear2327]

Next time I get roasted, I gotta try singing myself a boat and peacing out

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol there's not much anyone could say in response, it is the ultimate comeback 😂

[@MarcusBS]

I want to see you next cooking video to dress up as the Swedish chef! Because that was good at the start

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol glad you liked it.

[@matkahenkilo8554]

Nice video! The names were pronounced well enough, Perkele 😅! Just wanted to share my perspective on the christian influences on Kalevala/finnish mythology. I do not see it as a solely negative thing. Of course it is sad that some lof the originals are lost. But still we retain some of them and even in the influencwd versions there is some of the originall quirkiness to be seen. And for me is more important that the old mythos is still around to influence and to be influenced by. It is just a sign that it is still alive. It is also great to see it adapted to modern audiences. Like the kids books by Mauri Kunnas or the adventures of uncle Scrooge by Don Rosa. Also there is videogames like "the Unreal world" or (announced) "Among the trolls". Not to mension numerous appereances in songs, television or movies. I think our national epic is still going strong!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol thank you, many of your country felt otherwise, but my tutor agrees with you. I appreciate the perspective. I do believe that the modern version is important, as it is still a part of the history and evolution of the culture. All I mean when I say that much is lost, is that we don't have clear connections to our roots when the old stories are changed for the sake of a doctrine. It's a major part of our Clans traditions to keep things faithfully and pass them down to the next generation. I don't see the change and influence as a negative, the erasure is what is harmful

[@matkahenkilo8554]

Yes, I agree with you on the erasing front. And yes, even thought the evolution of culture is vital it is also important remember where we came from. It keeps things grounded, in a way. Can't really explain what I mean. Ofcourse even here in finland there is talk about some erasing of our culture done during the swedish and russian rule. And I have gathered that there is some research going on concerning that lost history. And it is interesting to see what turns up. It is great to see people who want to remember these old things and keep them alive. Keep up the good (and important) job!

[@luizguilhermemoreirasales1548]

GREAT VIDEO HERE FROM BRASIL 🇧🇷😎👍

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you kindly 😁 nice of you to visit the Tavern from so far away

[@iivarilappalainen9836]

I know many DnD rollplayers (not typo) diss bards as useless, but you definitely wouldnt want to cross Väinämöinen - pretty much the most epic depiction of epic level bard there is - be it about singing, being wise or being able with the sword ;) Anyway, talking about singing and poems in general - in Finland thats not just territory of Väinämöinen, "loitsurunot" (spell/hex/enchantment -poems, not how to exactly translate) run super deep in the finnish history. The written finnish language is rather young, so for very long time we had only oral tradition and this would be how much knowledge was passed on. I have here with me copy of 1880 book of finnish ancient spellpoems ("Suomen kansan muinaisia loitsurunoja") and there are poems for every situation - be it to bring luck for fishing, hex bad luck on your enemy, to going to sauna, different poems to mitigate different pains from childbirth, to make cows have more milk and on they go. Whatever situation - theres bound to be poems for it ....and obviously these poems are just some versions of them and everyone who knew these would bound to make his own versions of them as well. Interestingly enough, some of the poems are no doubt really old, but some of the poems are certainly after christianity as the singer is using god, jesus etc instead of the traditional finnish deities and spirits. Anyway, even as finn, ive always found it funny how a nation that is known for its silent people actually has pretty damn vocal "hidden" side not many people are aware of - then again, the especially ridiculous number lyrics heavy metal bands around here does kinda highlight the point even more ;) ...we actually do have ton of other music besides metal (....) - but as most of the world isnt yet that interested in the finnish language, theres pretty much zero awareness outside finland. If anyone wants to hear what singing Kalevala sounds like, you can search on youtube "Kalevala laulettuna" - there are couple guys who are singing it through poem by poem. ...but its actually good to remember that Lönnrot who collected the poems to make Kalevala also as far as i understand edited those poems rather much...to make them more "fitting" of national epic so to speak. Basically the original poems could have rather much excessive cursing and vulgarity as well - old folk is known for its erm colorful use of language afterall, so yeah unfortunately it can be said we have now sort of censored version of the original poems. For anyone who is interested in games, well there is finnish iron age survival game "UnReal World" - but mythoswise i found interesting "The Mooseman" ...its NOT finnish game nor is it about Kalevala either - but it is about finno-ugric mythos from the Komi/Perm/etc view. So modern day Russia - but ofcourse the finno-ugric ties far-far predate the Russia. While there are very much clear differences, anyone who knows his ancient finnish mythos cant miss out the signs of the shared past in the deep forests of long past.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

The dude would be a next level boss in DND.

[@Fibonochos]

Interesting Tom Bombamadil makes a lot of sense now

[@BlackDragonTavern]

RIGHT? His character is such an oddity among the more serious notes, even more so than Gandalfs overwhelming whimsy.

[@Shaixira]

Helvetti perkele on your perse, I love how into Finnish mythology you are. To me it's whack that someone in Ireland is more versed in our mythology than your average Finn. It's sad how we have forgotten our history, and it's not taught in school either.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I agree, and I appreciate the compliment. My Tavern is intended to spread and share the stories of the world to every inside of it👆

[@IrishinFinland]

Us Irish lads love a good tale

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That indeed we do👆

[@lemmonleikko]

@@BlackDragonTavern could tell you lads many a tale, from the eastern and northern parts of Finland mostly. Some ancient, some from the recent centuries. The knack for poetry and storytelling sort of runs in the family - my mother's side, that is. I learned a lot from my grandfather that I later came across in folklore collections, such as the birth of snakes.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I'm always glad to have stories to share in the Tavern 👆

[@kimseipell4060]

Thanks for bringing the mythologies of the home country to the masses. Definately worth a listen. I did not see the initial video yet, but the pronounciation is still ways off and I could not even identify most of the names initially without reading the nicely provided text. Cant hold it against you though.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Well I was fortunate to receive tutoring from one of your countrymen, I waited till I got a passing grade to try again 😅

[@bubblenugget9240]

Did... did he just casually say perkele?!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I did 😅

[@waltonsmith7210]

Tom Bombadil is the LOTR character most inspired by the Kalevala.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Yes indeed. I do believe I mentioned that at the end... I may have edited it out

[@waltonsmith7210]

@@BlackDragonTavern he made so much more sense after I learned about the Kalevala.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Right? The ents, Tom and Gandalf are such strange departures from every other character in the book and film that it helps quite a bit to get the origin of the lore

[@waltonsmith7210]

@@BlackDragonTavern Thank God for Tolkien. I never would've heard about the Kalevala in a million years if it weren't for him. I used to think the Tom Bombadil section was a weird slog. Now I love it and wouldn't change a word. It's so psychedelic and weird and full of super profound moments that go over our heroes heads and leave them in awe.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Agreed in whole👆😁

[@mchedro538]

Helvetti perkele on you perse! En tosiaan ole vielä päässyt introa pidemmäs, mutta kun kerran käsketää nii pitää kommentoida.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol I appreciate the participation 😅

[@Robert-xv7io]

I hated reading these poems as a kid for my finish teacher. But it is interesting to listen to this from a person from Irland.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

You flatter me my friend 🙏

[@tepporeinikainen2413]

The woman giving birth to the baby is commonly referred to as Virgin Marjatta

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Very interesting 😮

[@Morhgoz]

Also prayer-spells of ol were all sing like verses of Kalevala. We Finns were thought to be as "Land of the Witces" most medieval period and even after... But in Finland Witch is not female thing, it just means that you are magician...

[@STriderFIN77]

Väinämöinen is Amazingk! Torilla tavataan \o7

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Agreed 👆

[@romariohomario]

He reminds me of Tolkien's Tom Bombadil character. Also the White Dwarf from Warhammer fantasy. He could have inspired both

[@BlackDragonTavern]

He's definitely the inspiration for Tom 👆

[@0Quiwi0]

There is a Christian influence in the wording of Kalevala, but in general it's very pagan. Also the book was written from multiple stories that varied a lot and Elias did take some artistic licence to make it more coherent story with an ongoing narrative

[@ironsideyager6802]

Now were doing finish voices only.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

😂😂😂

[@UtilemUnus]

It looks like a water pump / milll that can generate electricity and is powered/operated by a jet of water! And it's obviously is connected to there agricultural!! This could be a machine that's generated maybe electricity water and whatever flowers you want to grind up

[@anttirahikkala5252]

Mä ikke tildekkes..!😘 Nice video it was! 👍

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank ye kindly😁

[@amonra6466]

I think that was the best attempt of trying to pronounce finnish i have ever seen it do be hard unless u are from Estonia

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I'm from Ireland originally, Norse Gaelic Thank you kindly 😁

[@ThisTrainIsLost]

Yes I'm just nitpicking but Louhi is pronounced "LOW-hi" (single vowels are all short so the "i" in "hi" is like the i in "little;" all multi-syllabic Finnish words have the main stress on the first syllable--in English it's usually on the second). I do so love your videos and their wide scope! While living in Finland I'm still learning bits of ancient lore from you. It's not really a subject that comes up that often in an ordinary conversation. Keep up your fine work!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol I appreciate it my friend 🙏

[@ThisTrainIsLost]

@@BlackDragonTavern It's not MY fault that I speak the language! Blame my parents! THEY did it!!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol the council is always appreciated, though a fear my brogue will keep me from ever truly mastering the language

[@ThisTrainIsLost]

@@BlackDragonTavern Be not concerned, for I have faith in thee.…!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

🙏🙏🙏

[@robertberger4203]

Please do something about the really cool Nart epics of the Caucasus , the ancient legends of the Circassians and Ossetians . The Narts are the coolest superheroes ever ! The leading Nart is Soserique , who was made out of stone and came alive !

[@BlackDragonTavern]

This is actually the first request I've ever gotten for Greek stories😅 But I'd be happy to oblige.

[@robertberger4203]

@@BlackDragonTavern there are some connections between the Nart epics and Greek mythology, but they are still very different .

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Oh, absolutely. If we look close enough there are dozens of connections between the different myths, it's one of the reasons I started the Tavern, to show people what we have in common and how important storytelling really is

[@finnishculturalchannel]

I was expecting Id to appear in that rather Freudian prologue.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

😂😂

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

will you do the Persian hero rostam

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I don't have any immediate plans, but I am always open to video suggestions

[@Seer_Of_The_Woodlands]

Väinämöinen siunatkoon ja tiedon salatun antakoon, teille kaikille jotka tietoa janoavat ja haluavat. Hyvää päivänjatkoa teille kaikille, Päivätär teidän päivänne valaiskoon ja Kuutar teidän yönne kirkastakoon.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you kindly my friend 🙏

[@miguelmulero2802]

I wonder why dwarves have names that often mean elf

[@BlackDragonTavern]

If we're talking about in Tolkien's work, then yes. But the reason is very interesting. Every character in the series has a different name in every culture they interact with. So they end up with multiple canon names👆

[@danielmalinen6337]

There is a difference between an ultimate hero and an anti-hero, and Väinämöinen falls into the anti-hero category, at least in the Kalevala created by Elias Lönnrot. Väinämöinen is not great as a ultimate hero, he makes many mistakes, behave unjusty and wrongly, fails, cries a lot and even acts as a villain when he steals the Sampo from Pohjola out of pure envy. These themes of the sad tragic antiheroic man already appear in old folk poems, runes, based on which Lönnrot created his own "Frankenstein's monster," i.e. the Kalevala. But in addition to this, there is Väinämöinen, older than the runes and earlier, who is not a hero, but a deity of waterways, backwaters and rivers that protects travelers and rules the streams as Ahti rules the lakes and ponds. But there is little left of this much earlier Väinö god in the folk poems that was collected by academics in the 17th-19th centuries.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Our family keeps much older stories, but for this one I thought it best to use the common myth, so that there would be less fighting amongst the Finns in the comments 😅

[@sivapriyaswamini8277]

On the level of 'archetypes', many native cultures lost their ancestral wisdom to Christianity and it seems the original creation story and the ancestral rishi=Vainamoinen gave way to Jewish religious history for the Finns as well with conversion to Christianity coming from outside the country. That their folk singers and psychics were able to recognize this and integrate it in the stories of their people when it was happening is interesting. Nowadays many indigenous people seek for their ancestral wisdom but how well can that be done if in many generations there have not been people who carry on the insights and practices supporting that level of the psyche and relationship to the cosmos? What could make Vainamoinen to speak again within the souls and minds of that nation? .I believe they are still incredibly intimately connected to nature.

[@ThePelitin]

I'm all helvetti perkele on your perse right now!! 😂😂

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I appreciate you😂😂

[@teyanuputorti7927]

Question what are the beliefs of your clan?

[@BlackDragonTavern]

It depends on what you're asking. What are our beliefs on mysticism? Religion? Culture? In general, there's not a fixed religion of the Clan, we look at the concept of God or gods as being a nebulous one. It's a difficult to define sensibility. We do believe that most Characters that are seen as gods and most events that are recorded in Myth happened in some way or another. Our personal creedo is to Remember Without Fail. To carry on our stories and the stories we collect with us as we go. To do so faithfully and with respect to all the blood that had to flow to bring these stories and traditions to us. We believe that the stronger an individual is, the stronger the Clan is. That free thought and strength guided by good principles are important above all other things. The Clan creeds and laws are simple, and because of that they, and we, have survived longer than most. Probably not the answer you were looking for, but that is the one I have 😅

[@teyanuputorti7927]

@@BlackDragonTavernthat an outstanding answer thank you Castle

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Always my privilege my friend 🙏

[@teyanuputorti7927]

@@BlackDragonTavernyou heard of the concept of totems or guardian spirits?

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Of course. We are given totems, or Fylgja, when we pass our adulthood trials. There's a deep and rich tradition that surrounds them in our Clan

[@Caldera01]

I would say that Wäinämöinen is much closer to Tom Bombadil than Gandalf. On the other hand, the story of the Sampo is almost 1 to 1 with the One Ring.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

100% agreed. I do believe I mentioned Tom at the end. According to some of Tolkien's notes, he felt that Väinämöinen reflected what an eternal wizard might, and should be like. So he made all his ancient magic men a reflection of him, but Tom is definitely the most in that light for sure.

[@Caldera01]

@@BlackDragonTavern There is a Finnish LotR miniseries from the 90's that is one of the few live action adaptations to include Tom Bombadil that I am aware of. The production is laughably horrendous, but quite faithful and clearly a lot of heart. 5/10, really can't recommend.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol I love horrible things, they make for the most memorable stories. At least when it ain the right spirit

[@tristarperfecta1061]

My last name is Bock. I am related to Eor Bock. The Bock Saga is true and Hel is Heaven

[@zold9896]

Peak

[@messerschmitt2622]

0:06 Gesundheit!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Bless you as well 😂

[@pentegarn1]

I just never get sick of saying it! lol

[@BlackDragonTavern]

👆👆👆😁

[@cosmicchicken3634]

A Soviet army is walking through a finnish field in 1939 during the winter war. Suddenly a voice yells at the other side of a hill. The voice says: "one finnish soldier is equal to ten soviets" The soviet commander sends ten soldiers to the hill. They hear gunfire, then silence. Soon the same voice yells again: "One finnish soldier is equal to a hundred soviets!" Angry soviet commander sends a hundred soldiers to the hill. They hear gunfire and screans followed by a longer silence. Soon again the same voice yells: "One finnish soldier is equal to a thousand soviets!" Now furious, the soviet commander sends a thousand soldiers and a tank to the hill. They hear even more gunfire and explosions. Then silence. One heavily wounded soviet soldiers crawls from the hill and yells: "Commander! Dont send any more troops, its a trap! Theres two of them!"

[@BlackDragonTavern]

😂😂😂😂

[@Aurinkohirvi]

Stupid chauvinist joke.

[@ironsideyager6802]

This is fucking gold

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Ain't it? 😂

[@BlackDragonTavern]

That may be, but I'd never heard it, so it gave me a giggle lol

[@dangmefinnish]

Don't worry, we don't expect you to be able to pronounce Väinämöinen. Voinomoinen was cute attempt. Sounds like Such Butter. Haha.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol much obliged

[@markusmakela9380]

Vaeinaemoeinen 😳

[@Morhgoz]

you should check Väinämöinen comic...

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I'll have a look 😁

[@grayrook8637]

Fucking A non-greek mythology. We need alot more of this.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

You've got it :) my channel is mostly non greek lol

[@grayrook8637]

@@BlackDragonTavern awesome, though credit where it is do, it's kinda hard to discuss modern day study of such topics without running into Greco-Roman influence. Though that is changing as more credit is given to oral tradition and gems of intact oral history like yours are found and displayed. Keep up the awesome work.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you kindly, I appreciate your patronage here in the Tavern 😁👆

[@eemelisaurila9940]

Were you supposed to link the Kalevala in the description? Am i blind? Or did you just not remember to put them there?

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Shoot, it looks like when I copied and pasted from my document I didn't get everything, thank you for pointing it out, I'll get it fixed👆

[@eemelisaurila9940]

@@BlackDragonTavern btw, would you be ok with me linking a video of the first poem(that mostly covers the birth of the world and väinämöinen) actually being sing by finns(there's also english captions)? It's a very unique experience

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Not at all. Please do

[@doomguy19931]

Can't believe I've been accidentally pronouncing it right this whole time

[@BlackDragonTavern]

The vowels are a lot longer than I present them. But trying to suppress my accent while doing another makes it sound strange lol

[@XtineJohnes]

Work on the Pronunciations my friend :). And thanks for the Black Dragon tales!

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Greatly appreciated 😁thank you for visiting the Tavern

[@0Quiwi0]

Don't worry about the pronounciation. Every English speaker struggles with it so we are used to deciphering what you say :P

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol cheers to that

[@paskasaatana6298]

👍🏻🇫🇮

[@BlackDragonTavern]

🙏🙏🙏

[@oltzu5206]

Hyvä nimi sulla

[@paskasaatana6298]

@@oltzu5206 kiitos

[@NeoDragonCount]

Once I'd have loved to have seen a movie adaptation of Kalevala. Now? Studios can stay the f*ck away, they'd just politicize it.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Agreed. I always worry when I see films being made or remade around beloved stories. Destined to be bad they are.

[@osemarvin2847]

Kalevala is pronounced "Ka-le-va-la" All the syllables in equal times apart. There's a rhythm, like 1-2-3-4 : ka-le-va-la. It's like a machine gun. All within one second. There's no real pitch accent, although the first 3 syllables are pronounced with even tone, and the last one just slightly drops down in pitch. But never mind, you're doing all right. Finnish language is weird, and hard to pronounce if you are not familiar with it. But not bad. Not bad at all :)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Thank you kindly my friend 🙏

[@jrsgarage7623]

Black Dragon.tavern . you ever heard of anyone in Finnish mythology that had. Bulging veins that look like fish winged creatures or constellations numbers or.letters.on hands arms.and wrists? Just curious..

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Not specifically in Finnish mythology, but there's a good deal of that in the difference Germanic tribes mythologies having to do with heritage and markings

[@jrsgarage7623]

@@BlackDragonTavern thank you I'll try researching that .

[@jrsgarage7623]

@@BlackDragonTavern I ask because I got alot of them all over . supposed to be full blooded Finn I think sami decent.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Shoot me an email or a social media message, I'll try to make a short video on it👆

[@jrsgarage7623]

@@BlackDragonTavern I dm you on Facebook.

[@villelehtonen3651]

You sound like you speak In game called Swords & Sandals

[@BlackDragonTavern]

I've never heard of it😅

[@TwistedAlphonso1]

Louhi, Laufey, Loki.....are the "Scary" Jotunn just Finns? Oh Swedes.....(p.s. yes I know Laufey wasn't Jotunn)

[@BlackDragonTavern]

Lol it's still a funny joke😂

[@TheRawrnstuff]

Personally, I believe yes. Kalevala isn't Finnish "myth", per se. They are a collection of separate folk stories written together by Elias Lönnrot, and plenty of myths and stories have been mixed together in it. In his book "Kalevalan Avain" ("The Key to/of Kalevala", 1916) Pekka Ervast, a Finnish theosophicist, states that Kalevala includes only six poems (out of 32) that are based on Finnish pagan myth.

[@BlackDragonTavern]

As is the case with many, of not most, pieces of literature we consider to be "myth" or legend. It's always a high combination of what was, and what people believed was before what was.

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Tolkien used Finland's national poem as a source for The Hobbiy and The Lord of the Rings.

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Absolutely, many of his characters were inspired by characters from the Kalevala

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@@BlackDragonTavern Yes, they were. Tolkien was a professor of languages and it should be The Hobbit.

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@@BlackDragonTavern I know. Many aspects of Middle-earth were taken from the Kalevala and Norse mythology. Tolkien had been a professor of languages and wrote an essay on the Anglo-Saxon epic Beowulf. Wagner was also inspired by Norse mythology to write his Ring Cycle operas.

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CS Lewis was also very heavily inspired by Norse Myth and Finnish culture

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@@BlackDragonTavern I didn't know that. I've never read C.S. Lewis.

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clicked the video cuz of a certain personified-countries animated show, left with a sense of Finnish pride albeit being Asian myself

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Hell yeah, It is my privilege to share these world stories and show the pride and link we have with one another. Thank you for coming into my Tavern 😁