ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE

WATER IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE DEAL WITH IN OUR OUTDOOR ADVENUTRES.How we carry our water container and any other gear is a big deal.for many yrs i carried a u.s. army canteen with its carrier and a canteen cup w/ stove and a lid,it was my go to set.Today i have switched to the Grayl water filter.i am very happy with the performance. bushcraft kits will often have a cook pot or bushpot as we call them included as a way to cook meals along the trail as we hike and or camping.i searched the internet looking for a cooking system for the grayl bottle and found none.So in the spirit of woodcrafters we take what we have and make what we need. i began to create.. my own cooking bushpot system for the grayl. i began with a stanley stainless steel cook pot .to the cook pot i added a ozark trail long handle spoon from the camping section at walmart. The GRAYL fit inside the pot with the lid stored under the pot in the carrier.To carry this system in camping hiking outdoor adventures i selected a stichedgear.com water bottle carrier.i will be adding aluminum foil under the pot in the carrier to be used for baking around the campfire. thus far i am very happy with my review of the Grayl and the stanley cook pot.

[@Reallybigmonkey1]

It always pays to try something new. Some gear gets popular simply because it works good.

[@airsoftghost]

Thanks Blackie. Good info as always.

[@alf3553]

Since the carrier has grommets you could easily make a small pouch that can mount on the outside to carry the lid and spoon.

[@alexanderweaver4838]

Blackie, I use black large and small hair bands ($1 each packet at Dollar Tree) for gear retention on my packs and pouches. A large black one can be affixed onto your pouch to retain the Grayl and keep it from banging around in the Stanley pot. Black is barely noticeable, too. I'm an old retired military veteran who loves to improvise like you. I maintain a "crafts" kit on my work table and one in my Jeep that contain, 8" zip ties, 11" zip ties, six each long and thick cable ties, 1' and 2" Gorilla tape, industrial velcro strips, a good pair of wire cutters, wire (for snares and repairs), small and large hair bands (black and OD green), separate mini tubes of Super Glue, scissors, leatherman multi-tool, a Bic and a Crocs (mini BBQ lighter) plus whatever you feel would make your life easier to have available. This kit in my Jeep has saved the day many times on overland camping trips. I also, like Dave Canterbury, believe in redundancy. I have the Grayl, a Sawyer mini kit, water purification tablets and the ability to boil water as contents in my bug out bag. A couple of one gallon freezer ziploc bags are part of my H2O kit.

[@adamtedder700]

I took the Stanley pot , a GSI cup, a Nalgene Backpacker stainless bottle and put all that it in a condor bottle bag with(2) 100 round saw pouches molle to the side of it with a shoulder strap, Fire kit and spoon in front pouch, cooking kit in one 100 round saw pouch and food in the other 100 round saw pouch. even got room for a 5 x 7 Walmart tarp. Makes a great day pack. Also when you drill your holes in the Stanley Cup drill them on the side of the handle (for pouring and straining with the lid. Then you can use the Pathfinder cup lid and a fish mouth spreader to hang your pot. It works great.

[@charlesreohr6236]

Good morning far north bushcraft and survival shows how to mak a bail that can be used on any kind or size of container that has a lip around the top without drilling holes. I have made a few of them and they work really good.

[@tomcatt1824]

I'm 64 & still experimenting,, always trying new "stuff" 👍🐊👍

[@toddgibson9861]

I bought one of these from Randy at the very first Blackie gathering (Geneva State Forest) after seeing Dan's. I've ran my canteen set in it and my bottle set. Highly adaptable...!!

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for sharing!

[@jonathanfrisbee8889]

I saw Dan Lutz wrapped tape around his with a loop of cord stickiing out the top to assist pulling the Grayl out of the cup. No Rattle with a slight snug fit. Awesome ideas you had there too. I might just have to get one of them from Randy.

[@Sis1943]

For what it's worth Blackie, it makes more sense to me, for the lid on the bottom. In the bottom position, it gives a space for the cup to shape the leather flat. This allows the carrier to sit upright when you set it down. It also allows you to bring the lacing tighter around the cup. An elastic loop laced through the top holes, then up through the finger hole at the top of the Grayl & over the knob, will secure it. This is how I fashion mine. I keep the handle & spoon the same way you do. I hope this helps.

[@blackoracle69]

i fully agree mine sits that way now i will post a update soon

[@redbeard6606]

Hi Blackie, you might consider using a Nite eyes clip on your spoon to attach it to your carrier. thanks for sharing your wisdom.

[@themoodybobby1]

I drilled mine out years ago. It is in one of my old videos. I use the fish mouth spreader as a bail. If randy would put a pouch just big enough to slide the lid in the front like a credit card and the same for the spoon somewhere.

[@spider5001]

Awesome! I have been trying to figure out the same type of system lol. I really like that stitched gear carrier. I have the adventure cup and I do not like all the pieces coming off and on or not having a bail. Canterbury actually recommended his 48oz cup which makes sense. It has the bat wing handles and a lid and you can use the fish spreader for a bail. He said just throw a bandanna in there to stop the rattle. That’s what I’m going to go with and probably that stitched gear carrier you showed. Thanks so much for letting us know about it😀👍🏻👍🏻

[@heartoflions7138]

Really good video. I bought the Grayl based on your recommendation; I boiled water in Cambodia... that got old and doesn’t remove metals. The Grayl is a game changer, no pump system to worry about. Thx man, keep em coming.

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks for sharing

[@johnpatnaude4273]

Hey Blackie, I was inspired by your last video on this topic about the Grayl bottle cook set, that I had made my own. Using the same Stanley adventure cook set. I add the Pathfinder 25 oz stainless steel(SS) cup and lid to the bottom of the Stanley pot as a secondary container to cook or drink out of. The Pathfinder 25 oz lid fits onto the Stanley pot perfectly with a slight friction fit , the same as it does on the Pathfinder cup. I then marked the Stanley pot where the open slits of the Pathfinder lid were, near the Stanley pot handle and the opposite side, and drilled two hole. This allowed me to use the SS fish mouth spreaders, also form the Pathfinder store, to use as a bail for both the Pathfinder 25 oz cup and the Stanley Adventures pot. You could also use the stove that fits the Pathfinder 25 oz SS cup, much like you do with your canteen cup stove. Thank you for another great video. Keep it up.

[@blackoracle69]

thats good info thanks for passing that along,,safe journeys

[@michaelbrunner6654]

Make a buckskin pouch the has grommets matching Randy's carrier and using the lashings attach it to the out side for lid ,spices etc..

[@chevybill1833]

Hey Blackie! Could you punch two small holes on the outside near the top about an inch or so apart and then slit the leather from hole to hole.Then from the outside slide the spoon in . Pressure from the pot should hold it in place.

[@Kightravin]

A fish mouth spreader works as a great bail.

[@floydsmith2296]

I put a bandana around my Grayl, then push it into the cup. No rattle, stays secure. Good luck

[@johnpalmer6822]

Nice video. Put lid under pot and wet form with kit together lace down tight, till dry. For spoon and handle, put 2 grommets in back uo high, and put shock cord or leather thong through the holes. Slip spoon in, slip handle between spoon and leather back. For lid use small key ring, but notch lid loop a bit to hold ring upright. Well I feel it may work. Enjoy

[@blackoracle69]

Cool, thanks

[@deanwittle5183]

Suggestion, Instead of drilling into the cup consider a ring with bale attached the cup will slide down into.

[@larrylee5564]

Whew in the beginning I thought you were going to say you found something you liked better than the grayl! I was sweating it for a minute I ordered a grayl monday and it isn't even here yet!

[@blackoracle69]

thus far i am very happy with mine

[@NobleSavage44]

If you drill your holes on the pot, fish mouth spreaders will work for a bail.

[@hamm6035]

I really like my Sweed cook set. Yeah it's an extra 2 lbs but I destination camp. Yes I have my canteen cup for exploring to cook a snack. After you showed that cook set I got one and heaven ever since. Last I cut down a rack out of an old stove that slips between my pack and frame. Great for steaks or Iowa chops over the fire. A new WestWind coming in a month or 2. Last my pack is a modified Alice. Sold on it since the army. Last soak your carrier in water for 3 to 4 minutes. Let it set a minute then put your pot and lid in and tighten it up. It will let you mold the leather to the pieces. Great video Blackie!

[@SuperGsrider]

Hey Blackie lay the lid down in the bottom it takes a little time for that leather to break in and thanks for the shout out

[@blackoracle69]

thanks brother i am already there lol

[@MrSIXGUNZ]

Super duper cool to see new gear being checked out and tested. Thanks my friend and stay safe!

[@blackoracle69]

Thanks, you too!

[@joshuaritzheimer1382]

I really like my Stanlet cookpot. I drilled a small hole on either side just under the top lip so I can use a fish mouth spreader as my bail. You need to mod the lid a little too, but it works well.

[@charlesroth986]

A couple of ideas/recommendations. The Pathfinder mug/lid has butterfly handles, a good tight lid, and is drilled for a bail stock as it comes. For a bail, the "fish mouth spreader" they sell works very well. So does a chunk of coat hanger wire. For the spoon, Sea to Summit puts out a long handled spoon or spork in anodized aluminum. For a carrier both Maxpedition and the Pathfinder bottle carrier pouches work well and give a bit of insulation to keep that water cool. For myself, I use the heavy cover canteen, cup and lid with the Center Line Systems "Mother" pouch. Pricey but worth it. I rig the pouch using a coup;e of small carabiners and a padded strap from an old camera bag for shoulder carry on the side opposite my haversack. Very much enjoy the videos, been doing the camping, hiking, backpacking thing for 60+ years now and once the virus is solved and my back fixed I'll be back at it here in the Ozarks...

[@donaldlivingston970]

I noticed you didn't seem to necessarily care for the flimsy spoon from Walmart. I spent a lot of years using all different kinds of utensils but never found anything I thought was really great for several days roughing it. A couple of years ago I came across the Ka-Bar spork. It's very solid and even though I never thought too much of sporks, I have to say this is one great eating utensil. It comes apart in the middle of the handle and has a knife. So you have your fork, spoon and knife all in one piece. Doesn't take up any room, very light and solid (Just like you'd expect from a Ka-Bar) product. Maybe you already know or have seen them, just thought I'd mention it if you hadn't.

[@jeepnicc]

Great video Blackie. Glad to see I'm not the only one constantly trying to figure out the perfect (for me), cookset. Though it can be frustrating at times, I find it to be a fun journey. Especially when you find something at a thrift store or yard sale that fits like a glove! Thanks for sharing!

[@blackoracle69]

You and me both!

[@blueridgebushcraft8294]

Our older bones just don’t like that cold hard ground. It’s always good to know how to do things the classic ways but this new technology sure makes life easier. If Nesmuk had a grayl geo I’m sure that he would have used it.

[@brindle2009]

Just put it all in a old clean sock slide in in the carrier job done that what I do and sick handy as a hot handle holder . Tbs make a pot with butterfly handle and bail and lid in stainless steel and it's way stronger than the pathfinder one as I squished it but ain't even move the shape of the Tbs

[@danmalone7819]

Hi Blackie, If tyou are modifying your stanley, try drilling the holes at the handle and opposite side. I did it and meant that when handle is in it can be pored out without spilling. Made a hanging bale from piece of wire and it;s an outside bale so that lid can be placed on while hanging and not have tpo mod the lid.

[@blackoracle69]

Good tip!

[@themando9904]

Fish Mouth Spreader will make a good bail pot hanger and its multiuse

[@aletaschulz1108]

Blackie, I like the way you explained your gear evolving journey. I am eager to watch the field testing stage.

[@blackoracle69]

Coming soon!

[@1Klooch]

From one "geezer" to another, much respect. It's true, it's hard for us to change and grow. But, when you cease to grow you go from being a "geezer" to being an "old man" at the end of the trail.

[@Blackpowder54]

Since you have the elastic cord there with the string lock, you can tie the ends of the elastic cord and pull it up over the canteen spout

[@John-wu3ii]

I made a carrier like that for a water bottle but I put a shoulder strap on it. That way I don't even have to take the bottle out of the carrier to get a drink. Plus it's not another item trying to pull my pants off. lol. I am going to look into the Grayl filter though.

[@TheAtarashiiKaze]

Good review Blackie. I would love to see how you figured out the elastic at the top grommets. Thank you for posting!

[@robb77536]

I have a suggestion concerning your stanley cook pot. I took and removed some of the metal that the handle is attached to such that the handle would latch in at an angle to keep the pot l hanging level, especially when full, from a hook (or cut stick) over a fire. I saw this done on a You Tube channel, I just don't remember which one. I have used this to heat up a can of Dinty Moorre Beef Stew and it worked pefectly. Believe me, that cooking pot was full to the brim. If I had put small holes in the side they would have been a source of leakage. This is just a suggestion, but it works.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks

[@boomshanka8743]

Hey Blackie, Zelph is working on a backpacking grill to fit those Stanley pots. He will announce it on his website when it isavailable.

[@blackoracle69]

thanks i could use that

[@pacediver2594]

Just a thought maybe metal “o”ring on your canteen top and spork then small carabiner to hook on the grommet hole and two slots on your front leather to slide your handle and keep it secure,enjoy your videos

[@blackoracle69]

Cool idea

[@bigd15full]

Waiting on my GRAYL now. Good point brought up.

[@jimsteele7108]

I'm always fiddling with my gear. I like that holder.

[@jasonhoyt8232]

I thought of a video topic that your viewers (specifically, those in Commie European countries like England) might enjoy. In some places around the world, 3" slip-joint knives are the only cutting tools that one can legally carry. You could do a video talking about using such a knife in creative ways to accomplish tasks that would normally be reserved for fix blade knives. For example, rather than batoning to split wood, you could demonstrate how to carve a splitting wedge to then baton that piece instead.

[@trynsurviven2440]

Good stuff

[@blackoracle69]

Glad you enjoyed

[@kenbarrett2500]

I see where having a snap closure pocket on the front would be a sweet spot for the lid and handle ..

[@garywhelansr5602]

Hey just a idea for a bail there Blackie maybe a fish mouth spreader or 12inch or longer stainless fish leader snaps on ends. Im looking at them grayls to.

[@swampcatbushcraft7319]

Mr Blackie they sell a water bottle hanger on Amazon for around 7 bucks that would work well for the mods made to the little pot

[@neiljohnston3407]

if you laced from the bottom grommets up to the third - then back down to the second - then back up you might be able to put the lid underneath without it slipping out the side.- the elastic idea - cross them / it diagonally over the top - easy to move one handed then & not likely to slip off the grayl. ... option 3 - heavy tinfoil lid = wraps around the pot in the carrier.

[@LesterSkinner]

For the Stanley pot when in the pouch, I flip my handle upside down and put it back on and it will fold downwards instead of across the top.

[@themichiganwoodsman1372]

Maybe you can find a waxed canvas bag that you can line it with. That way the smalls don’t fall out. Great video and great gear Blackie.

[@blackoracle69]

Great idea!!

[@UuddlerLeRoyBaStart]

Up North Buscraft and Survival. Made a universal bail type deal. Adjusts to fit any round pot. I made 3 of them. Check that out.

[@Mississippi72]

Try a small game snare for pot,

[@bwell-5604]

Far north bushcraft and survival video title-“homemade removeable bail- one size fits all”

[@davidleasure9138]

I would check a tactical bottle bag for a carrier

[@wayne2870]

Blackie what about using a piece of 1/16 inch braided steel cable with two Ferrells. The cable can slide and loop around top of cup. I made one to use with mi GI canteen cup. It fits my Stanley as well

[@mrkultra1655]

Thanks Blackie

[@garyprice9015]

Way point survival has a hack for that blackie

[@chillywilly3397]

They make elastic paracord that will fit your bill to keep your bottle secure

[@BamaBackwoodsman]

You mentioned a place where you found sweet tasting water and I have a little story about some sweet tasting water for you. Back in 1990 I was stationed at Ft. Bliss TX during the first Gulf War and I got to take Christmas leave at the last moment so I didn't have a lot of time or money to make travel plans. I was lucky enough to have afriend who was driving her car home on leave to leave with her dad as she had came down on orders to go to Korea and wouldn't need a car there. I worked out a deal that I would help drive on the way to Alabama instead of her or her Dad so they would have time to talk and catch back up on family events going on. I had always complained about the bad sulfur tasting water on post and the surrounding area of El Paso always mentioning the sweet tasting water from my well back home in Alabama and she would always tell me that there is no way that water could taste sweet by itself. when we got to My home in Alabama she asked my Mom so where's this sweet tasting water I have been hearing about and my Mom went over to the kitchen sink and filled her a glass of nice sweet cold well water. When she tasted it she nearly flipped her lid and couldn't believe the sweet taste it had. We ended up sendeng her and her dad off with about 6 gallon jugs of water for the rest of their trip home and to share with friends at home. This was at a time when bottled water had not really got popular and she made the comment you could bottle and sell this water like crazy in El Paso . I laughed and said yea right who would buy water when you can get it out of the faucet for free. Had I have taken her advise back then I would probably be a millionaire today. Shortly after that bottled water hit the scene and I hve been kicking myself ever since especially since my Mom and Dad sold their place with the cold sweet well water that I had grown up on. Looking back there have been a lot of opportunities I could have taken advantage on and gotten rich but I usually thought or got told by someone else that it would never make me any kind of money in the long run. Like the olld saying goes opportunity usually only knocks once, well so far I have either been to asleep to hear the knock or not at home alltogether, or someone is telling you not to get the door because someone is trying to sell you a load of crap. Well maybe sometimes you need a load of crap if you are trying to raise a garden and sell the crops to the market.

[@blackoracle69]

i always keep a eye out for a source of sweet water..love that stuff

[@Weo510]

Stanley mod for hanging: Take a Dremel and cut a notch on the cup's locking hinge tab (a little more than half way up; both sides). This creates a middle locking point for the handle, so that you can use the handle as a hanging tab. Also, replace the plastic lid holder with a key ring. Quick, cheap, and effective.

[@leighrate]

One would have thought that a long handled stainless steel or titanium spoon would be the way to go, because it's generally preferable to treat cookware by pasteurisation.

[@blackoracle69]

i probly will end up with one of the stainless ones..just had the ozark trail handy

[@jeffrichards5106]

I was thinking, if you added 2 leather pieces on each side with holes and grommets to match, you can make it more like a pouch and not worry about losing your spoon and lid, even if the side pieces come half the way up. If that makes any sense?...

[@hypo345]

Or some waxed canvas with grommets.

[@Seancmccormick]

I like it! Looks great! I wonder if wet forming would make for a better fit? Your definitely going to have to carry and play with it a bit to get it like you like. Atb Sean

[@blackoracle69]

That's the plan!

[@seanthomasdowd]

maybe a strap around the cup to secure the spoon, lid, and handle

[@johnfortwengler4496]

Hay Blackie what about attaching the spoon to the loop in the grail

[@grumpycamperwill7746]

Another great and well thought out vid, on the point of a pot you could look at is this ? I use it and it is a pot that covers almost all needs? you could if you try to always find another thing to add but as a staring point this fits> I'll pm you with a link ok Blackie.

[@bwell-5604]

Maybe adding one or two more eyelets on each side at the “bottom” of the carrier and relacing the parachord would allow you to store the lid flat on the bottom like you originally wanted but would keep it from being able to fall out accidentally. Also check out “far north bushcraft and survival video on making a no drill, slip on/off wire bale handle.

[@kirstenjones5331]

Bwell - Don’t try dropping your coffee with that bail. It will slip right off! The bell works but can fall off if the pot hits anything or gets moved around too much

[@tomcatt1824]

Yer pot & water filter carrier gave me a idea 💡 on how 2 make a better one, but im sticking my stuff ina bread bag so nuttn slip's out de sides

[@blackoracle69]

That's a great idea!

[@mikefiles2087]

Dump the lid and throw a chunk of tin foil in the bottom of your pot I like to have it around any way good multi use item

[@guyperry8888]

Dave canterbury is working on a titanium cook pot right now. It should be on his store website. He is envisioning a titanium cook system. Might be worth a look?

[@blackoracle69]

thanks i will check it out

[@philipnorthcott8793]

Someone on KZbin has put two grooves where the handle fits, to hang it centred in the pot for hanging.

[@andrewlasure7828]

Blackie, what about the old bottle carrier we all used to make our Stanley kits with , the taller version Dave came out with. If the grail fits nested in Stanley inside of that it’d solve all your issues of room for lid and other accessories

[@blackoracle69]

thats is a possibility..thanks

[@benhellewell6153]

Great content as always blackie. Would a fish mouth spreader be wide enough to use to hang it. Keep up the great content and stay safe

[@blackoracle69]

it could do that ..i might just go with a simple bale we shall see

[@johnfoster4414]

Put a shoulder strap thru the belt loop. how about giving us a link for these components.

[@margaretadler6162]

Good video! I'm looking forward to see what the final product will look like. Please do a video on it! It got my wheels turning on what to do with my setup. BTW I really like the shirt you're wearing. Could you tell me where I can acquire one? Thanks Blackie ATB Sam Adler

[@blackoracle69]

Will do!

[@ralphrobison1590]

For a long spoon find an old soda spoon.

[@blackoracle69]

yep we have tea spoons here in the south for mixing sweet tea

[@aggyMI]

Seems like all that cris cross cordage is just right for hanging up on every bit of brush

[@keithrodwell2145]

If the water from your friends well tastes actually sweet like sugar then he might want to test for lead. Lead tastes sweet.

[@eschneider8799]

Ha ha So glad l'm not the only one to fiddle fart around with tweak & rethink then rethink again a piece of kit till it's juuusssst right. 👍

[@blackoracle69]

thats how we make it fit us..ya gotta do a little thinking

[@garyrieck629]

Why not solder or spot weld small square ears opposite each other on outside top on sides on pot?

[@elduendeoscuro]

The problem that I have with the Grayl filter is that only allows you to filter 250L 65GAL, and then the filter goes to the garbage (only the filter part), for me it is too little; if not for that I would definitely buy one.

[@jwgbmp40]

4yrs later, is there an update to this system? I know you now millbank bag it but do you feel the grayl is still putting out good water?

[@camojoe83]

Grayls plug up way to quickly to justify the price. Sawyer still wins.

[@johnfortwengler4496]

It gets the spoon out of the carrier but still attached

[@rickeybullington68]

What kind of fix blade knife do you carry . Can you do a knife video .

[@wolfswesterns6650]

Sir, I really do not know about that setup. It looks like it is top heavy. If the big/main piece of leather was longer, it would set deeper in the pocket. You would just have to adjust the leather straps so their ends are lo longer the inside flap would be taller/longer than the outside flap, forming a deeper pocket. 2¢

[@blackoracle69]

it actually rides pretty good..but its still a work in progress

[@albertlevy3721]

Check out far north bushcraft and survival. He has a system made of wire cable that is useable for various sizes if pots.

[@levicaddell1077]

Smile.... What I just saw was a man putting a square peg in a round hole. It works if you beat on it hard enough and get rid of the corners. Lol... It works - Yep but you got some more work ahead of you. The real test will be when you are out on the trail. Just saying.... Blessings...

[@flatbushfox]

GET A LONG MIL SPEC WATER CARRIER.......COMES IN SHADES OF COLOR. I HAHAVE ONE. IT HOLDS A BOTTLE OF WATER AND JACK DANIELS,

[@SuperIain13]

Wet the leather and let it form to your set.

[@dxradioman6351]

Wedge the handle of the spoon between the Grayl and the cup.

[@VJLasorsa]

Blackie don't add the bail, DOES the Stanley pot seal? Will it leak with bail holes? If it seals it would be nice to so you can carry liquids in it without it spilling in your haversack

[@blackoracle69]

it does not seal as is..

[@BIGMINION502]

Just another option 👇

[@WarmHandLuke]

Hey Blackie. Couldn’t you just wet form the leather to hold the lid nice and snug in the bottom? Also, isn’t dropping the Grayl into your cook pot going to transfer any viruses and contaminants from the outer part onto the inner of your pot? Just an observation.

[@blackoracle69]

i did that and re-laced it to better hold thus far its doing well

[@hitechcowboy1547]

For your bail, why not a fish mouth spreader?

[@grumpycamperwill7746]

Sorry Blackie I had to email it? but all the same it's sent

[@tracker5849]

Let us know how quickly your lid and handle etc fall out

[@blackoracle69]

they wont now i been busy i will post a update soon ,,lol

[@Trailtraveller]

Test it for a full week. I do not think it is as handy as you want.

[@blackoracle69]

i am 5 days in so far so good