Blackout Eid: Black Muslim identity?

Joining us at the Roundtable today is Ismael Lea South, co founder and director of the Salam Project in the UK, Saraiya Bah, co founder of the Black and Muslim in Britain series and Abdulhaq Al-Ashanti, author specialising in African history.
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[@eesafrimpony6432]

There shouldn’t be an issue with the blackout eid label the issue should be why the Muslim community has allowed the mistreatment to get so bad that the black Muslims feel the need to segregate and have their own safe spaces

[@kierankelly288]

Eesa Frimpony kzbin.info/www/bejne/aau2dGNvhbyHntE

[@eesafrimpony6432]

Kieran Kelly there’s nothing to be learnt from this dummy

[@janlive6573]

Exactly! you literally just took this out of my mouth👌

[@SuperOmar00]

That soo true brother hurts my hart

[@guccianddodul]

Well blacks should be just blacks or Africans and not Muslims!

[@sedecim]

They should have had a black man as mediator

[@djh3269]

I agree cause this guy, one, he won't let them finish their response, and he's trying to dictate what their response should be by trying to interfere while they are responding.😠

[@kierankelly288]

sedecim kzbin.info/www/bejne/aau2dGNvhbyHntE

[@Sifat_Rashid]

@@djh3269 sad

[@NavyLady82]

Why he can only speak as a male. Women have their own separate experiences in this matter.

[@najahta2862]

the interviewer is extremely dismissive and interruptive. every time the sister started to speak or when the brother was trying to simply explicate a reasoning, he tries to hit back with the inexistent idea of “crying for help.” just because of the name “black out eid” it is not a goal to exclude every other muslim who is not of a darker skin tone. black out eid is to emphasize that whether or not black people are discriminated against in the general world, within islam, there shouldn’t be even a drop of consideration of skin color before befriending or considering one as your brother/sister. GENERALLY, black muslims do not feel at place nor welcomed in general islamic events. we make up a heavy population of the religion yet if one of the black race wanted to marry or simply befriend a muslim of southeast asian/arab background, they hesitate. why ? because racism within islam is extremely pertinent. some people don’t even want to stand foot-to-foot, shoulder-to-shoulder with you because you are black. even in hajj, where you’re supposed to be in a meditative, holy state, some people find it hard to focus or be at peace because they’re next to a black person, as if black people are lower than. so because of this collective amount of discrimination and prejudice, black muslims have took it upon themselves to create programs, settings and events to project ALL-INCLUSIVENESS within the community/religion.

[@morningprayers19]

APBTA...and I love it; we as a black community are so creative. we come together as one; we are moving forward no matter what by al means necessary; may Allah be pleased with our lives

[@susamisayurimuyo6069]

The Interviewer seems to be very dismissive towards their feelings.

[@Sifat_Rashid]

True

[@morningprayers19]

I live in Columbus Ohio where there are A LOT of African Muslims and if you tell them that you are Muslim,they tend to question you and your knowledge of Islam. so yes there is segregation in some communities; I know who I am and who I belong to...my heart and life belong to Allah; may Allah be praised

[@andysandy8823]

THE QURAN ON THE NOBILITY OF BLACKNESS. “And when your Lord said to the Angels: I am going to create a mortal of sounding clay, of Black mud fashioned into shape. So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My Spirit, fall down making obeisance to him.” Surah 15, verse 26-29. The Original man was created from black substance altered to become black skin, this and other similar verses makes many Muslims very uncomfortable. Some will quote a Hadith which states that the Angles went about collecting different types of mud to add to the Black mud, hence the reason why we have differences in skin tones etc. They quote this Hadith and try to put it above the Quran, to ease their unease, but Hadith cannot be placed over the Quran. This verse is not allegorical, it’s clear and decisive about what was used to create this man, that he was created complete no mentioning of any other ingredient like other types of mud, anyway as an artist even if you add any other colours to black, they will disappear, so I understand the Hadith in this way and as a metaphor about how the other races came about out of the Black mud. The second tongue in cheek opposition to this verse is where they will quote another verse about the creation of man into nation and tribes in order for us to know ourselves etc. This verse in no way contradicts Surah 15: 26-29, it’s another issue about discrimination based on divisions due to skin tone, family, tribes and nations, it does not contradicts or lessens the original creation from Black mud. Allah in his infinite wisdom knew before hand what will be the plight of black skinned people post Baba Adam (S), he knew that dark skinned persons in every culture in this world will be is despised, so the existence of the verse is not by accident. Adam (S) being created by Allah of Black mud made him Noble, despite the lowliness of that dark putrid mud, the best of Allah’s creation was animated further by the Spirit of Allah being blown into him, and this distinction was transferred to his children also as the Quran states; 17:20, “And we have certainly honored the children of Adam ....and preferred them over much of what we have created, with (definite) preference.” Some Muslims and others will go so far in my estimation to accuse me of racism, or of being too occupied with race which they claim is a societal construct and therefore not real. Non dark skin people have the luxury of say that race is a social construct and not real, they have even convinced our black intellectuals of this, I agree to an extent if we had a better world civilisation and values, sure, but the grim reality of being dark skinned under the current Dominant Culture of the White race is as real as Racism can get. At the level of the genes, a red blooded German and a dark skinned Bantu could be similar, we accept that Science (even with it’s problems) however in this real world what matters is physiognomy, how you look that matters, it determines where you live, how you live, how you receives services, if you would be stopped and search, or shot outright, who you can and cannot marry and numerous other issues, socio-political, economical, and religious. To accept that narrative of race being unreal is to blind Black people, makes them vulnerable, especially the young, who have to be taught how to navigate, how to stand, speak, laugh, every damn natural thing in order to survive in this Current Civilisation. There is no escaping it, even in dark skinned families, tribes and societies the darker ones are objectified as either ugly, low class, violent or morally loose, especially peoples who have been conquered by White Nations or subjected to the Aryan caste system. So in order to understand why this is so, there are two reasons; One, Shaytan’s refusal to bow to Adam, Surah 7:12; “Allah said, “ What prevented you from prostrating (to Adam) when I commanded you?” He (Satan) said, “I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay.” So he was the first racist, so to speak, being a Jinn type, created before man from smokeless fire, he pointed that out to his Creator, as to why he refuse to prostrate to Adam (S) he also announced his and his kind hostility to Adam’s children and how he will proceed in his war. 1- (Shaytan) said, ‘Because you have put me in the wrong, I will surely sit in wait for them on the Straight Path’......7: 16 2- By whispers 7: 20, 20:120, 3- Swearing that he is a sincere advisor, 7:21 So he entices his tribe and followers (34:20, 17:64) against the Children of Adam, especially those who still look like Adam (S) with their dark skin. Quran 7:17- “I will come to them from in front of them and behind them, from their right and from their left,..” The second reason is that: In the past the world was dominated by dark skinned peoples and the White skinned people were subjected, conquered and enslaved, for many reasons they were kept out and seen as troublesome, until Black power declined and White power rose to eventually conquer the world, doing what dark skinned people did to them, they got even and are still doing so, this is my view. Hasan Anyabwile Allah Musta’an.

[@user-oo6vr1ky5f]

Allahu akbar. I will remember this. “Don’t be racist for iblees was the first racist.”

[@andysandy8823]

@@user-oo6vr1ky5f this is your simple minded response , when most of the Muslim world was colonized with white supremacisy and black inferiority culture ,you all came to the USA and yr racism was place on steroids, but you have the unmitigated Gaul to call me racist .Never forgot the day I sent my cousin to the masjid to take his shahada and he was turn away because they said he look like a tug .I have been to the middle east and have seen how blacks are treated but you called me racist smfh

[@andysandy8823]

@Marley Marley marley no one will ever say u shd apostate if you read my response you will get it.

[@morningprayers19]

this was written so beautifully! it explains soooooooo much thank you and I salute you Sister Bridgett (Naemah) Muhammad

[@andysandy8823]

@@morningprayers19 marshalah

[@teddia5654]

You got a white , moderating Ha Ha Ha WRONG!

[@kierankelly288]

Teddi A kzbin.info/www/bejne/aau2dGNvhbyHntE

[@guccianddodul]

Yes. A stone age faith like Islam needs a rationale brain!

[@user-oo6vr1ky5f]

@@guccianddodul islam was made in the 6th century. Not the stone ages. You need a rational brain my friend.

[@guccianddodul]

@@user-oo6vr1ky5f Islam clashes with every surrounding religion. I can go on but choose to stop and not provide examples!

[@LearnTawhid]

@@guccianddodul because islam is the truth and all other ideologies are not religions. For example moses was not a jew and jesus was not a Christian he was a muslim in fact. Islam came to show us the right path when we started worshipping moses and jesus and mary

[@Islam4Europeans]

I completely agree with the panel. The whole thing about being treated fairly or unfairly is important, but it's not the main issue. Even if Muslims didn't have any animosity to a population that isn't Muslim, people tend to live in their own spheres. When some Muslims say that this approach is diving the Muslim community, they already belong to a majority population of Muslims in their own communities. Asking minority Muslim populations to give up their identity, while not interacting at all with their families and communities, is completely backward. No one is creating masjids that are exclusive only to one ethnicity. Islam should be compatible with all cultural identities, and it's important for Black Muslims and converts to see their culture represented.

[@Mm-fw3nm]

I'm muslim African and I love my African Muslim brothers and sisters. And by the way for everyone African done a lot for Islam, Arab done a lot turk done a lot so anyone don't like us he not real Muslim.

[@gilbertaviles2102]

Very helpful insight this is a much much needed dialogue in the Islamic community as a whole!

[@abdulwahid5504]

The interviewer was so dismissive and totally inappropriate at some times with his questions. He did not know much about the Muslim community so he didn’t know what he was talking about.

[@watchthis12day]

The submission to one God(Islam) began in Africa!

[@sharkweek44]

North Africa

[@saraiyabah4263]

The last time I checked, Ethiopia was in East Africa, not North Africa.

[@GenerationfFootball]

@@saraiyabah4263 the funny thing about this is east africans of today are thr real north africans of the past... somalis are the real egyptians

[@gamingzoneFIFA]

First you should know you are not muslim for arab or anyone else Second those who look down at people becouse of thier race have no iman and they will get what they deserve at the day of jugdment. Insha allah

[@kierankelly288]

Ahmed Madoobe kzbin.info/www/bejne/aau2dGNvhbyHntE

[@daniellemiller2547]

My man is a recent convert to Islam. I have a catholic background along with a southern Baptist background. They clearly conflict 🤦🏾‍♀️. But from his teachings and videos he's shared with me I agree with what I've seen and heard. But my question is will I need to wear a hijab? Or can I still be a part of the Islamic faith without wearing the hijab? I love my man so far and wish to continue to be with him but what can I expect?.....Seriously asking...

[@wakeupmrye6908]

No, you're free to do whatever you want, but the hijab is for protect you, you see that girls with hijab don't get violated

[@daniellemiller2547]

@@wakeupmrye6908 ok I see. Thank you for explaining that to me.

[@faris9034]

Man - beard Women - hijab

[@xogaming3513]

I got a lot of friends we all lived in the Middle East mainly UAE and never have i or my other friends treated my black ( from Sudan) friends regardless of there faith (all of em were Muslims) neither anywhere in the country

[@samiulalamkhan8982]

As a Muslim and someone of the brown race (lol), I have seen a general negative sentiment towards BLACK PEOPLE. Brown people look down upon people who are "browner" than them. It is sad and pathetic that this idea exists. It is pathetic the racist views of some brown culture and communities towards black people. But by Allah, I testify that this is not what the Quran or the prophet teaches. Indeed Bilal ibn Rabah holds the honour of giving the first Adhan (call to prayers) and was chosen by our Prophet (PBUH). I would be crush if I went to an Islamic Event and made feel anything less due to the colour of my skin or looking different.

[@abdelnassirou8524]

I have never seen that in my community where I leave. We celebration all the time together.

[@hattin1187]

Its sorry state of affairs but Muslims from Asia are very segregated in themselves because they are still living with Colonial mentality which is Division created by the Colonialist rather than Unitary status under the Khilafat which was destroyed by the west and we are still too divided.Indian and Pakistani Muslims are still seen as pool of labour rather than brothers in Wealthy Oil Rich Arab countries where a European non Muslim gets better treatment so we have a long way to go but I have faith in British bred Muslim where we are growing up together

[@abdullahkarim4678]

Muhammad was Black My brother been in UK from Vietnam Airforce

[@issoopdilloo8905]

Mashallah

[@ntanntan9114]

Haaaalooooo, for all Muslims in the world. Please, in Islam, never teach us to look differently to the skin color. We are one and same in front of Allah, no black or white Muslim. We are brothers and sisters, we pray and praise the same God, prophets, and Rasul. Islam is peaceful and respectful to the same human being.❤

[@abu1965]

These women and this guy firstly the women need to dress properly according to Islamic law. Start there. Secondly, their approach to addressing the issue is not based on Quran and sunnah but on their desires.

[@chrisfulton9906]

I'm quite sure there's some weeds where there's not one black person there and if he is there they treat them like crap so why is blackout weeds so negative

[@radhiaabdillahi3704]

The interviewer was disrespectful to the lady, asking a ridiculous question that you could se on her face. He didn’t really want to address the issue and seemed dismissive. TRT workd needs to be careful when talking about such sensitive topics or else your viewers will see you no different than Western media.

[@user-jo4bm8bc4i]

These idea is wrong. We all needs Allah guidance and follow the messages from Hadith, Sirah and Quran. Islam unite all mankind in one ummah, nothing wrong recognised by original heritage, culture and language..... we don't needs divisions based on images, today islam reached all the world and United in diversity ways in clothing and food

[@buFFlosouljah1]

Do yts anywhere on earth ever consider that they actually DON'T know everything? Or have the best understanding of how to respond to negative things? I mean, they're the inventors of "karen-ism"

[@armaxok5449]

it's not comminty it's religion and even if your black or white you still human, and islam allow any human to join it

[@elgayonegro65ify]

first read the koran and all the books also called hadith and then we'll see how many black Muslims are still there don't you know that mohammed had black slaves and the muslims still practice that to this day and and and who is allah and who was mohammed how he died the earth is flat and the sun sets in a lake of mud the moon was divided and no one noticed it because it happened at night and it is dark all over the world at the same time and people are asleep at this time, this allah and mohammed really have it mashallah Seek the truth and you will find it Open your hearts may the grace and peace of the Lord be with you

[@XMAN78601]

Can you provide the book references for your statements so we can read them for ourselves please?

[@LearnTawhid]

Just go to hajj pilgrimage see how diverse muslims are.. and stop making yourself a victim when your not. If you identify yourself other than a muslim you need to rethink

[@Amberjscott]

Black Muslims are victim to hate speeches from other Muslims and there are plenty of stories where people have come back from hajj with stories of racism. Where Islam does it say that you can identify as a black person?

[@user-lt6jf3bq6e]

Read Tidiane N'Diaye!

[@jeffbillings-el6110]

Racial Bigotry, not Racism there are two different things. Racism and Racist only mean having and showing Race pride. Racial Bigotry created Colorism

[@abdullahkarim4678]

I’m America you don’t come to Masjid

[@abinimasratu9234]

I thought Bilal ibn Rabah was black

[@kamranzeynalov968]

I guess such shows are something against Islam! Because all muslims very well know that there is NO DIFFERENCE between people on their skin color!!!!!! Its not my words, its words of the best man in history- Prophet Muhammad!!!!

[@issoopdilloo8905]

Its a shame fr Muslim how come if i see a black people or Muslim im gona say asalama keep dialogue my island we hve hindu Muslim Christians Chinese etc we get on with each other every day

[@zailanzai7591]

What about white muslim from Eastern Europe and Balkans, should we have a Whiteout Eid also.

[@Amberjscott]

😐

[@jeffbillings-el6110]

The panel has no ideal what they are talking about ! Islam do promotes Racism , " I have created you into Nations and Tribes that you may know one another , not to despise each other ." Every group has the right to preserve and perpetuate his or her Race . Racist only mean one who is dedicated and devoted to his or her Race . Base word is race, the suffix ist = one who is qualified , specialized his or her Race as in : Voilin=Volinist Science =Sciencist Or chemist = chemistry . Racism : base word is Race , the suffix ism mean working for the betterment, improvement, upliftingment and the advancement of you Race without hurting, harming or hindering others from making progress. They must study the English language. Because there is no such people as Black people as far as complexion nor is there a such people as White people as far complexion. The only people who has white ( pure ) souls are those of melanated people ( Olive-complexed people )

[@yassinwahed8743]

This is an attempt to differentiate between Muslims. I am a black Muslim and I have never seen this in my life

[@XMAN78601]

... you've never experienced or heard of African Muslims being mistreated by other so called non-african Muslims? You're either a liar or you're not African. ..

[@abdullahkarim4678]

I haved Indonesia wife

[@almurabitun]

HAHA I've met some of these people on this panel. To Asian people's faces they are somewhat civil and usually stand-offish or distant at functions and events and then online they find every excuse to bash Asian's. To say Asians are more racist than whites is total and utter bullshit. Asians have not remotely done what white people have done with colonialism and current day ruling of the world even today. Some of the people like these lot on the panel, though not all, they want Asian people to be passive weak and never speak up.

[@mr-alk322]

Wow astagfirullah

[@NavyLady82]

Gaslighting.

[@Farah_quddubi]

This black out Eid is so wrong on many levels. First off if there is some discrimination it’s best to try to settle it behind close doors. If it can’t be handled and if you have to make your own event don’t create an Exclusive label. Third, there is no such thing as “black culture”, there are many peoples who are categorized as “black” here in west but pretty sure their cultures are distinct, a Somali and Afro-Caribbean don’t suddenly share a culture based on skin. This whole thing is silly tbh and it creates divisions for no reason.

[@MoeKare45]

Black culture does exist when you have your initial culture ripped from you for over a century. Therefore not ever person who identifies as Black has the luxury or having a culture to go back to such a Afro-Carribean, Afro-Latino, African etc. Therefore a culture was established to obtain some sort of culture of their own as they had no reference point. There is nothing wrong with creating safe spaces for different people if the Muslims in the community have not acted as they should as Muslims and be accept of all despite skin color and difference in culture.

[@NavyLady82]

Whats wrong is the internalized racism that caused the need for this in the first place.