integral of sin(x)/x from 0 to inf by Feynman's Technique

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@_DD_15
@_DD_15 7 жыл бұрын
This is so famous, i still remember 8 years ago, when my uni professor told me, there is psychiatric hospital for those who still try to find a primitive of sin(x) / x... lol
@mohamedabdullahi5708
@mohamedabdullahi5708 5 жыл бұрын
Kkkkk
@sharmisthaghosh9017
@sharmisthaghosh9017 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@camkiranratna
@camkiranratna 4 жыл бұрын
For some reason , “lol” looks like mod(0)
@deltaspace0
@deltaspace0 4 жыл бұрын
@@camkiranratna do you mean absolute value?
@dclrk8331
@dclrk8331 4 жыл бұрын
@@deltaspace0 Absolute value is also called mod in some places.
@rudycummings4671
@rudycummings4671 2 жыл бұрын
I recall doing this integral many years ago. Back then we used contour integration. We chose the contour to be a semi-circle of radius R centered at the origin . The origin was indented and cotoured with a semi-circle of radius r. The semi-circle was located in the upper-half of the Cartesian plane. Complex integration in one of the most potent methods for dealing with such problems.
@gertwallen
@gertwallen Жыл бұрын
I agree, I solved this too in my first course of Applied Mathematics in college where we used complex analysis techniques kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJeXfYWim9GcmJI
@greatwhitesufi
@greatwhitesufi Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's true, that's how I learnt it/saw it first
@lasmatesdelamor4287
@lasmatesdelamor4287 Жыл бұрын
Integrales cerradas en variable compleja?
@louisrobitaille5810
@louisrobitaille5810 Жыл бұрын
You can do integrals on complex bounds (lower/upper) 😮? Or is it Real bounds but integrated on Complex functions?
@comp.lex4
@comp.lex4 Жыл бұрын
@@louisrobitaille5810 complex functions and complex bounds. Turns out that the path you take *mostly* doesn't matter!
@112BALAGE112
@112BALAGE112 7 жыл бұрын
You don't often see a man doing partial derivatives while wearing a partial derivative t-shirt.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha! honestly, that wasn't planned.
@ruiyingwu893
@ruiyingwu893 7 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen I just realised after reading this...
@yamenarhim9336
@yamenarhim9336 6 жыл бұрын
me 2 lollll
@edwardtang3585
@edwardtang3585 6 жыл бұрын
It seemed to me like some sort of band sign like Nike at first
@AlgyCuber
@AlgyCuber 6 жыл бұрын
what’s the difference between partial derivative and normal derivative?
@andraspongracz5996
@andraspongracz5996 4 жыл бұрын
The part where the constant C is determined by checking the limit of the function at infinity is very elegant. Beautiful proof. Of course, there are a lot of technical details that mathematicians would think about (is it correct to derivate inside the integral, exchange limit and integral, etc.). But this video is a great summary of the overall strategy. Very nice work!
@hyungmanpark4346
@hyungmanpark4346 Жыл бұрын
.l
@cycklist
@cycklist 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching you integrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time. Isn't it!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
PompeyDB it is!
@jirehchoo2151
@jirehchoo2151 6 жыл бұрын
it is, is not? It's!
@rehmmyteon5016
@rehmmyteon5016 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching you disintegrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time. Isn't it!
@tens0r884
@tens0r884 4 жыл бұрын
@@rehmmyteon5016 lmao
@lisalisa9706
@lisalisa9706 7 жыл бұрын
you told us not to trust wolfram and now you confirm your answer in wolfram. what am i supposed to do with my life now?
@brandong5687
@brandong5687 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor trust no one
@arthurreitz9540
@arthurreitz9540 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor Ask wolfram.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Dokuta Viktor only if it gives the same answer as what we got.
@axemenace6637
@axemenace6637 6 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen what if what you got is by looking at Wolfram????
@MingruiCHENG
@MingruiCHENG 6 жыл бұрын
then don't get things from Wolfram but just check your answer with it.
@terapode
@terapode 6 жыл бұрын
One of the best math videos I´v ever seen. Changing the function from x to b was a masterpiece.
@gertwallen
@gertwallen Жыл бұрын
Yes, Feynman was a brilliant mind
@whiz8569
@whiz8569 5 жыл бұрын
18:12 I like the idea that, after going through all that, we figure out that the integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x dx is equal to... Some unknown value.
@antonquirgst2812
@antonquirgst2812 2 жыл бұрын
its not that unexpected though if you look at the function... its just looks very convergent.. (this can ofc be very deceiving)
@createyourownfuture5410
@createyourownfuture5410 2 жыл бұрын
@@antonquirgst2812 But there's the fact that as x grows larger, it tends to 0 because sin's at most 1 or -1.
@antonquirgst2812
@antonquirgst2812 2 жыл бұрын
@@createyourownfuture5410 yup - totally agree - x grows linear while sin(x) is periodic!
@createyourownfuture5410
@createyourownfuture5410 2 жыл бұрын
@@antonquirgst2812 Aaaand it approaches 0 from both sides
@josephcamavinga9721
@josephcamavinga9721 2 жыл бұрын
@@createyourownfuture5410 It actually approaches 1 from 0
@proofofalifetime488
@proofofalifetime488 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, I just learned this technique over the summer. I was amazed. I used it to solve a problem from American Mathematical Monthly. It was fun, not only sending in a solution, but learning this amazing technique used by Feynman!
@AmanteNoViolao
@AmanteNoViolao 7 жыл бұрын
When you sleep in class 14:01
@bonbonpony
@bonbonpony 7 жыл бұрын
More like when you blink in class :)
@peppybocan
@peppybocan 7 жыл бұрын
but the answer was spoiled in that part :D
@Tomaplen
@Tomaplen 7 жыл бұрын
when you struggle not to sleep
@AhnafAbdullah
@AhnafAbdullah 7 жыл бұрын
Idk why was the video cut? lol
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Ahnaf Abdullah I wanted to add that explanation why b has to be nonnegative
@sonicpawnsyou
@sonicpawnsyou 7 жыл бұрын
I see you have finally decided to clothe like a true mathematician, seeing your t-shirt involves partial derivatives. 👌
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
MeowGrump lolllll this is a good one!!!
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 7 жыл бұрын
asics = "Anime sane in corpore sano," "Sound mind/spirit in a sound body."
@koharaisevo3666
@koharaisevo3666 7 жыл бұрын
Anima not anime (but that's somehow relevant :))))
@omarathon5922
@omarathon5922 6 жыл бұрын
👌 looks like the partial derivative sign XD
@herbert164
@herbert164 6 жыл бұрын
So, it is soul eater then?
@mathnezmike
@mathnezmike 5 жыл бұрын
Wow. At the begining the integral with the exponential function looks more complicated, but that function allows to have a closed form and the Leibniz theorem is fundamental. Great work!
@NazriB
@NazriB 2 жыл бұрын
Lies again? So fat
@mohammadaminsarabi6207
@mohammadaminsarabi6207 5 жыл бұрын
Feynman was a mathematician, physician and philosopher... super geniuce
@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138
@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 5 жыл бұрын
Physicist*
@adityaekbote8498
@adityaekbote8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@juanpiedrahita-garcia5138 lol
@clarenceauerbach7934
@clarenceauerbach7934 2 ай бұрын
genius , even as a joke it hurts my eyes
@vaibhavkumar5419
@vaibhavkumar5419 4 жыл бұрын
i am 17 years old and i am from india .............i am able to understand it clearly ......thank you sir , love you and your love for mathematics 😊
@siguardvolsung
@siguardvolsung 6 жыл бұрын
"This is so much fun, isn't it?" Sure.
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@S1nwar
@S1nwar 7 жыл бұрын
the world needs more of this....
@seanclough7810
@seanclough7810 7 жыл бұрын
him: "And now let's draw the continuation arrow with also looks like the integration symbol. That's so cool." Me: "Ha." I happen to remember just enough calculus to follow along. Interesting. Thank you.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Sean Clough yay! I am happy to hear!
@rishavmukherjee4251
@rishavmukherjee4251 4 жыл бұрын
"And once again, pi pops out of nowhere!"
@ShotgunLlama
@ShotgunLlama 7 жыл бұрын
He's becoming self aware
@Aramil4
@Aramil4 7 жыл бұрын
How so? What did you notice?
@Reluxthelegend
@Reluxthelegend 7 жыл бұрын
isn't it?
@CTT36544
@CTT36544 5 жыл бұрын
This problem can be simply solved using complex integral (getting the answer directly without a piece of paper). However, I’ve to admit that the method introduced here is VERY SMART. Thank you!
@icenarsin5283
@icenarsin5283 Жыл бұрын
Best math teacher ever !!!
@Agent-cipher-6120
@Agent-cipher-6120 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I just spent 20 minutes watching a video about integration and loving every second of it. A few years ago, I used to despise Maths
@charliearcaro208
@charliearcaro208 4 жыл бұрын
Great video using Feynman's technique but would never tackle this integral in this way. Once you've applied the Laplace transform it's much easier to use Euler's formula and substitute sin(x) with Im (e^ix). Haven't read all of the comments but I'm sure this has already been mentioned
@Sugarman96
@Sugarman96 2 жыл бұрын
I'm familiar with using the Fourier transform to find the integral, but I don't quite see how you'd use the Laplace transform.
@charliearcaro208
@charliearcaro208 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sugarman96 - the Laplace transform is what the above video uses when creating his function I (b)
@mrocto329
@mrocto329 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Sugarman96 I'(b) is the same negative laplace transform of sin(x) which you can use to easily find I'(b) instead of doing whatever he did.
@justinscheidler5938
@justinscheidler5938 5 жыл бұрын
How the heck do 2 people that didn't know eachother ' invent' calculus at the same time.Simply fascinating. This was awesome to watch, I now have a better understanding of how partial derivatives work. I now must go back and study calc shui I can come back and fully digest this.
@WildSeven19
@WildSeven19 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me what I enjoyed about maths! It really is good fun to play around with calculus like this.
@JoseDiaz-gp1bn
@JoseDiaz-gp1bn 7 жыл бұрын
You always manage to make me click to watch you do integrals I've already done long ago!, but this integral of sinc(x) was really gorgeous. It's kinda the method for obtaining the the moments of x with the gaußian. I hope to see more of this kind.
@Zonnymaka
@Zonnymaka 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was an heavy load! I never saw anything like that before...it'll take me a few days to digest the technique. Well done!
@michaeljohnston3038
@michaeljohnston3038 3 жыл бұрын
That's what she said
@beastlye212
@beastlye212 Жыл бұрын
His enthusiasm is contagious wish he was my calc professor back in the day I would have loved that class
@beaming_sparkling_trash261
@beaming_sparkling_trash261 Жыл бұрын
For the ones that want to dive into the details, I think we have to justify that the differential equation is defined for b in (R+*) in order for e^(-bx) to actually tend towards 0, then use the continuity of parameter integrals so that I(b) -> I(0) when b->0. Finally, the dominated convergence theorem gives us that I(b) -> 0 when b->inf. We conclude with the fact that arctan + pi/2 -> pi/2 when b->0, and uniqueness of the limit : both limits I(0) and pi/2 are equal ♡
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Why would anyone think to add e^x thiugh this COMES OUT OF NOWHERE..what I thought to do was replace sinex with e^ix from Eulers formula..isn't thst smarter and more intuitive? I think he needs to justify where e^x cones from if anything it should be ln x he is adding nkt e^× since 1/× is the derivative of ln x not e^×..
@chuckstarwar7890
@chuckstarwar7890 4 жыл бұрын
We used to think that it is such a basic calculus skill for all college students, now it becomes a show and privilege. I hope it will bring more interests among the young generations.
@nk4634
@nk4634 5 жыл бұрын
Using laplace transform and fubini's theorem this integral reduces to a simple trig substitution problem.
@aakashkhamaru9403
@aakashkhamaru9403 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember my first year in college. It was filled with so many wonderful moments. This was not one of them.
@bigjosh2517
@bigjosh2517 7 жыл бұрын
This integral's easy. Just pretend that all angles are small, replace sin(x) = x, the x's cancel so you're left with the integral of 1 :D
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 жыл бұрын
Hard to justify with those zero to infy limits. ;-)
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 7 жыл бұрын
so, pi/2 \approx inf?
@kikones34
@kikones34 7 жыл бұрын
How can you pretend all angles are small? The angle goes to infinity o_O
@mike4ty4
@mike4ty4 7 жыл бұрын
@kikones34 : Yeah, that's the joke (note the ":D" grin at the end.). But it _does_ work for the _variable_-bound integral int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt which, by the way, defines the standard mathematical function Si(x), the "sine integral" function, because you can then consider when all angles in the integration are small. If you take sin(t) ~ t then you say for _small_ x that int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt ~ int_{0...x} t/t dt = int_{0...x} dt = x so Si(x) ~ x when x is small. And a Taylor expansion will show you that that makes sense, too: Si(x) = x - x^3/(3.3!) + x^5/(5.5!) - x^7/(7.7!) + x^9/(9.9!) - x^11/(11.11!) + ... so the first (lowest-order) term is x, thus at small x, Si(x) = x + O(x^3), meaning the rest vanishes like x^3.
@kikones34
@kikones34 7 жыл бұрын
@mike4ty4 Oh, sorry, I totally didn't get you were joking. I've been on a KZbin trip of flat earther videos before watching this, so I was in a mindset in which I assumed nonsensical statements are actually serious and not jokes xD.. D:
@redroach401
@redroach401 5 ай бұрын
I found another way to solve his problem that feels more unique, alhough your solutions is much more straightfoward and intuative. I started by doing everything the same up until you get to I'(t) = -integral of sintheta times e^(-t*theta)d theta. Afterward, I turned sintheta into Im(e^(i*theta)). Hrn I used exponent laws to combine the exponentials and and take the integral from 0 to inf. Then I took i tegral on both sides and evaluated I(inf) to get c=0. Then I evaluted I(0) = -Im(ln(0-i)) = pi/2.
@jemcel0397
@jemcel0397 7 жыл бұрын
Believe in Math; Believe in the Pens; Believe in Black and Red Pens.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
yay!!!!
@MrAssassins117
@MrAssassins117 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, i did It and i got 10 in my integral calculus exam :') two months ago !
@pranav2119
@pranav2119 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrAssassins117 now 3 years ago lol
@_.Infinity._
@_.Infinity._ 3 жыл бұрын
@@pranav2119 now 3 yrs and 14 hrs ago.
@bonbonpony
@bonbonpony 7 жыл бұрын
Now it's time for the Gamma function and some other Euler integrals ;>
@deanna113
@deanna113 7 жыл бұрын
Great videos, planning to recommend to my students but not a fan of notation x=inf or of plugging in x=inf. Students will do this without the understanding you have and will lead to some issues in calculating limits such as inf/inf =1. Please remember you're a role model :)
@rudboy9599
@rudboy9599 7 жыл бұрын
Deanna Baxter I always just plugged in infinity. Didn't lead to any misunderstandings. It's more cumbersome to take the limit, though it's technically correct. You first introduce indeterminate forms in order to avoid issues.
@Abdega
@Abdega 7 жыл бұрын
Rudboy I agree, sadly sometimes students won't be lucky enough to get a grader who will be forgiving. I one time did that and the grader goes "While your final answer is correct, you can't just set something as infinity" There was another part of the problem where I got the answer correct, and they go "your answer in this part is correct *AND* your math is right, but you weren't supposed to get it that way" I ended up getting only half credit for that problem This was an assignment where we had to do ten problems but only *two* of them would be selected at random and graded so one quarter of my grade on that went out the window Needless to say, I was salty
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Deanna Baxter if the students are interested in this integral in the first place, they should be ok and understanding this shorthand notation. Btw, a MIT professor also does that in his calc lectures for improper integral.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZnagn57lNmfmpI
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!! :)
@muratkaradag3703
@muratkaradag3703 2 жыл бұрын
We learned the Feynman-Spell in Theoretical Physics 1 and Mathematical Methods of Physics (TU Berlin). The teachers didn't mention, that this kind of integration and computation is the Feynman-Spell. They called it Integration with respect to a Parameter b !
@Lofila999
@Lofila999 Жыл бұрын
💀I’m in 11th starting trying to learn this as my physics part needs it.
@qbtc
@qbtc Жыл бұрын
This technique is called "differentiating under the integral sign" and Feynman learned it from a book entitled Calculus For the Practical Man when he was a teen. Feynman didn't invent it but made it famous through his anecdotes.
@martinepstein9826
@martinepstein9826 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. The e^(-bx) looks random until you realize that lots of these problems use the same parameterization. The answer is actually 42 though. Proof: summing the positive and negative regions under the curve we get a conditionally convergent series. Add positive terms until you exceed 42, then add negative terms until you go below 42, then add more positive terms until you exceed 42 again, etc. The sum will converge to 42 so this is the value of the integral. QED.
@eliteteamkiller319
@eliteteamkiller319 2 жыл бұрын
That was the most peaceful boss music I've ever heard. And it's definitely boss music when you're trying to integrate sin(x)/x
@PackSciences
@PackSciences 7 жыл бұрын
At 14:18 : You say that since e^-bx matters, the integral converges for all values of b >= 0. Well it's true for b > 0. The reasoning cannot work for b = 0 because it's slightly more complicated than that (but it converges too). Counter example : Integral from 0 to infinity of e^-bx/x dx doesn't converge for b = 0.
@footskills4953
@footskills4953 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, this is Zachary Lee. You are absolutely right to be concerned about the convergence at b=0. What you want to do is let b approach 0 from the right. If you want a rigorous explanation, check out Appendix A, on page 21 of this document: www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/analysis/diffunderint.pdf
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Footskills here's the man!!!
@Cannongabang
@Cannongabang 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was a brief explanation haahahhahaha
@footskills4953
@footskills4953 7 жыл бұрын
And here I am again!!! Btw, great explanation!
@Tyns19
@Tyns19 7 жыл бұрын
PackSciences your counter example should be rearranged as (e^(-b x)-1)/x Btw e^(-b x)/x diverges for all values of "b"
@stevemenegaz9824
@stevemenegaz9824 4 жыл бұрын
This is the Dirichlet function and the Feynman technique is great way to solve it. Downside of Feynman technique is you cant plug and chug. The formulas have to be checked along the way for validity . Such is life. Thank you Pen(Black + Red)
@sharmisthaghosh9017
@sharmisthaghosh9017 4 жыл бұрын
Please do some putnam integrals They are really tricky and also few tough integrals like these. I love watching your integration videos.
@paulg444
@paulg444 2 жыл бұрын
"so lets draw the continuation arrow, which looks like an integral sign, that is so cool"... friends, this guy is pure gold !!!!
@benjaminbrady2385
@benjaminbrady2385 7 жыл бұрын
These are so addicting to watch and I don't know why
@FilipeOliveira-ir1hb
@FilipeOliveira-ir1hb 3 жыл бұрын
All the computations are only valid for b>0, because you need the exponencial to derive inside the integral under Lebesgue's domination Theorem. But at the end you do b=0. One further step is needed to show that I is continuous at 0. Note that this os not easy because |sin(x)/x| is not integrable, and therefore you cannot use standard continuity theorems as they require a domination hypothesis.
@FilipeOliveira-ir1hb
@FilipeOliveira-ir1hb 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Alejo. Yes, I agree, but that is exacly my point. You need a more demanding theory (such as Denjoy integrability, among other possibilities) to justify the calculus presented in the video.
@damianmatma708
@damianmatma708 4 жыл бұрын
What's also very Interesting, we could also use *Lobachevsky's integral formula* : *integral from 0 to +∞ of [ f(x) * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ f(x) ]* So our example: integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ] has *f(x)=1* :) Now we use Lobachevsky's integral formula: *integral from 0 to +∞ of [ f(x) * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ f(x) ]* integral from 0 to +∞ of [ 1 * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ 1 ] integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ 1 ] = x | computed from 0 to (π/2) = (π/2) - 0 = (π/2) *Answer:* integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ] = *(π/2)* Mr Michael Penn made a video (entitled ) where he calculates that example using Lobachevsky's integral formula: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2HSZ6N3mqiWgNU "Lobachevsky's integral formula and a nice application." Michael Penn
@camilincamilero
@camilincamilero 5 жыл бұрын
There's a simpler way of calculating this integral. This funcion is really famous, is the sinc function, and is the fourier representation of an ideal low-pass filter, a rectangular function. The integration property of the Fourier transform tell us that the integral from minus infinity to infinity of a function in the time domain is equal to the frequency domain (or Fourier domain) representation of the function evaluated in 0. So, to calculate this integral, you just calculate the Fourier transform and just evaluate in 0, which gives you Pi. Of course, because of the integration limits, you get the result divided by 2.
@taraspokalchuk7256
@taraspokalchuk7256 4 жыл бұрын
this result is used to prove the convergent of fourier series though
@Ma2Ju
@Ma2Ju 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing the trick with the e-function. Would not have seen this and could be very useful. When I did this problem for -inf to inf I did it with Fourier transformation by writing sinx/x as the fourier transformation of the rectangle function. After changing order of integration you get a delta distribution and the other integral collapses as well. Of course you get Pi at the end.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Zach showed me (as I mentioned in the video).
@modenaboy
@modenaboy 3 жыл бұрын
Can you like a video twice? Just watched this again, and still awesome. Thanks for this!
@sandeepjha-iitkgp
@sandeepjha-iitkgp 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Least I can do is thank you for a great explanation!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@roy1660
@roy1660 Жыл бұрын
Instead use Fourier transform method, inverse Fourier transform of sampling function is gating function with parameters A and T
@bruno-tt
@bruno-tt 7 жыл бұрын
Beautiful proof, thank you.
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
bruno edwards Yup, leibniz rule is very powerful.
@PunmasterSTP
@PunmasterSTP Жыл бұрын
sin(x)/x? More like "Super derivations that are always the best!" I know a lot of other comments say it, but I think this technique is just so cool, and it can take things beyond a lot of other integration videos. Thanks for sharing!
@franciscoabusleme9085
@franciscoabusleme9085 7 жыл бұрын
I knew this, but it is still awesome. More stuff like this pls!
@donnypassary5798
@donnypassary5798 7 жыл бұрын
Just found your video from randomly browsing youtube, and I really like your enthusiastic way to explain those problem. I heard about this differentiation technique since I was a sophomore, but didn't get the "why" part: Why differentiation? Why new parameter? Why e^-bx? It's all make sense to me now thanks to your video. Keep up the good work!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Donny. You can also check out Zach's page in my description. He has a lot of great stuff there!
@mohanadou
@mohanadou 4 жыл бұрын
The best ever demonstration i've seen. I always thought this integral to be done by an algorithm based on the sum of trapezium areas which gives approximatively the same result as pi/2. Really amazing demo. The next question would be what is the primary function of integral of sin(x)/x dx ?
@Weisser_Adler
@Weisser_Adler 3 жыл бұрын
I started to get interested in mathematics after seeing this integral before! Thank you for giving me the solution :)
@not_vinkami
@not_vinkami 3 жыл бұрын
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@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 3 жыл бұрын
Of course I know 😆
@2070user
@2070user 3 жыл бұрын
ahhh, that's why the intro song is so familiar, k歌之王 by Eason Chan!
@zweiosterei
@zweiosterei 7 жыл бұрын
My favorite mathtuber
@kakan147
@kakan147 7 жыл бұрын
Love Feynman and this trick was cool and useful. You now have another subscriber :)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Wonderful!!!!!!!!
@Sam-hc4sd
@Sam-hc4sd 5 жыл бұрын
You are better than my professors!
@thomasg6830
@thomasg6830 7 жыл бұрын
The cut at 14:02 is kind of confusing.
@dhvsheabdh
@dhvsheabdh 6 жыл бұрын
thomas g Just got to it, I reckon he's solved it already, then started talking about his steps and realised it'd fit better with the part where he was previously (in his timeline) talking about it.
@xxsamperrinxx3993
@xxsamperrinxx3993 5 жыл бұрын
It's so he can outline that b has to be positive, and it probably makes the most sense to put the clip here
@1_adityasingh
@1_adityasingh 5 жыл бұрын
When u sleep on class
@user-en5vj6vr2u
@user-en5vj6vr2u 4 жыл бұрын
it spoiled the rest of the video
@anjaneyasharma322
@anjaneyasharma322 4 жыл бұрын
Think about this simple way Draw a graph of this function for 0 to pi. Find the value of 0 to pi/2. Forget the signs + or -- For example 1-1 or pi/2 - pi/2 Take the mod value and add It means Sin x 0 to pi means 4 each 0 to pi/2 is 1 Similarly for cost 0 to pi it is 4. See which is greater numerator or denominator and decide accordingly.. Calculus is meant for finding the area master the basics and you will not puzzled by tends to 0 or infinity Similarly for cos 0 to pi it is 4
@nayutaito9421
@nayutaito9421 7 жыл бұрын
My mind was blown infinitely away
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
伊藤那由多 loll
@AbouTaim-Lille
@AbouTaim-Lille Жыл бұрын
Notice that Sinx/X is defined on the whole IR line since Sinx is an odd function and by using the Taylor expansion: Sinx/x = 1-x²/3!+ x⁴/5!- x⁶/7! +.... Which is defined at X=0 and is equal to 1.
@samiali2434
@samiali2434 5 жыл бұрын
I came in just because i saw the name Feynman
@abdullahbinjahed6900
@abdullahbinjahed6900 5 жыл бұрын
me too
@supriya1423
@supriya1423 4 жыл бұрын
You got it ,me too
@姜威-p3y
@姜威-p3y 2 жыл бұрын
In fact, 1/x=\int_{0}^{+\infty}{e^{-xy}dy}. We can change one dimensional integral \int_{0}^{+\infty}{sin(x)/xdx} to a two dimensional integral and exchange integral order. First, integral with respective with x, int_{0}^{+\infty}{1/(1+y^2)dy}=pi/2, this is the answer.
@stephenmontes349
@stephenmontes349 7 жыл бұрын
make video on the squeze theorem, I bet you can make it interesting and to show all techniques
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Paul Montes dr. Peyam is actually going to do that soon
@mtaur4113
@mtaur4113 4 жыл бұрын
Easier than solving for C is to write I integral from 0 to b of I' = I(b) - I(0) Left-hand side is ok even if you use a different antiderivative, as long as the choice on the left is self-consistent. Then you can take limit b to infty and solve for I(0)
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 7 жыл бұрын
The content on your page is always so informative, and your excitement for the math you show is contagious. By the way, have you considered making a Patreon page? I would gladly support! Also, how sneaky of you to wear the "Basic" shirt that has the lowercase-delta on it, foreshadowing the partial derivatives you use in the video.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
LOL! Thanks! In fact, that wasn't planned. lolllll
@jadegrace1312
@jadegrace1312 7 жыл бұрын
Thats not a lowercase Delta
@rv1111
@rv1111 7 жыл бұрын
Here comes the paid publishing
@ngouchuy4016
@ngouchuy4016 2 жыл бұрын
You really save life via KZbin
@jackchai5808
@jackchai5808 7 жыл бұрын
Please do more video about the Feynman Techniques Thanks a lot
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Jack Chai ok
@Aramil4
@Aramil4 7 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I was thinking literally just the other day that I hope you'd make a Feynman technique video and, as through magic, here it is! Would really love to see more videos about alternative / advanced techniques.
@MagnusSkiptonLLC
@MagnusSkiptonLLC 7 жыл бұрын
Who else reads his shirt as "partial asics"?
@ΝίκοςΒογιατζόγλου
@ΝίκοςΒογιατζόγλου 5 жыл бұрын
It's the first time I see this way of integration and I'm amazed!
@carultch
@carultch 2 жыл бұрын
Does theta stand for anything particular in Greek, relating to angles? Or is it just an arbitrary letter that has historically been used for representing angles similar to how x and y represent Cartesian coordinate variables? Probably, the reason x/y/z are used for representing Cartesian coordinate variables, is that it is the trio of neighboring letters in the alphabet, that is LEAST likely to stand for anything in particular, and therefore they are letters used as wildcards.
@johnnygodoy8329
@johnnygodoy8329 6 жыл бұрын
I found it easier to first complexify the integral and then use the Feynman Trick. Define F(z)=int from 0 to inf of e^-zx/x, so you have to find Im[F(-i)]. When differentiating and then integrating with respect to z you get F(z)=-ln(z)+C for Re[z]>=0, or F(-i)=ln(i)+C. One would usually try to calculate C by evaluating at 1, but it's easier to notice that for any positive real number x F(x) is an integral of a real function, and is therefore real, and ln(x) is also real, so C must be real too. This way when you take the imaginary part of both sides (which one has to do anyway), you get rid of C, killing two birds in one stone, so Im[F(-i)]=Im[ln(i)]=Im[iπ/2]=π/2
@2kchallengewith4video
@2kchallengewith4video Жыл бұрын
Where do I learn this power?
@jamesbentonticer4706
@jamesbentonticer4706 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos on this great channel. Beautiful.
@markigolnikov6175
@markigolnikov6175 6 жыл бұрын
When he reversed derivative on I(b) by integrating (14:45 min ) and evaluated result as b went to infinity and got zero for that limit-his argument failed. You only get zero if b>0, not if b=0. If b=0 you don't get zero as x goes to infinity-you get divergence
@usdescartes
@usdescartes 4 жыл бұрын
You can recover it, however, with just a little more rigor. Instead of evaluating I(0), find limb->0 I(b). Then, just keep using the limit notation until the end. The original integral is actually equal to limb->0 I(b) = Pi/2, so no real harm done.
@lantonovbg
@lantonovbg Жыл бұрын
In fact, the integral from minus infinity to infinity of sin(x)/x IS equal to Pi. It is called Dirichlet integral. Thanks, ChatGPT
@8796205190
@8796205190 5 жыл бұрын
Hi professor, You are doing great...
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@nathanryan12
@nathanryan12 Жыл бұрын
That’s really neat! The Leibniz rule for bringing differentiation inside an integral is a bit mysterious at first sight.
@suhaimimazed1136
@suhaimimazed1136 7 жыл бұрын
The kids' laugh made me forget the stress of trying to understanding how you solve it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Mazed Suhaimi yay!!!!
@TheJerusalemite
@TheJerusalemite 7 жыл бұрын
Regarding C calculation. It should be noted that arctan(inf) = pi/2 + n*pi; n = 0,1,2,3,4,...
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu 5 жыл бұрын
No . Check the domain of arctan.
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu 5 жыл бұрын
Arctan(x)doesn't mean imagine an angle for which tan(€)=x.
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 жыл бұрын
Can you recommend a good proof of Liebniz Rule to follow? It seems like one of those simple/obvious things that would actually have an interesting/ instructive proof.
@Timelaser001
@Timelaser001 6 жыл бұрын
The first time I've seen someone so excited about math!
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 6 жыл бұрын
Lol! Thank you!!!!!
@wontpower
@wontpower 7 жыл бұрын
You said "isn't it" correctly :')
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
I did, isn't it! hehehe
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu
@SanjeevKumar-js4mu 5 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen didn't I
@1_adityasingh
@1_adityasingh 5 жыл бұрын
@@SanjeevKumar-js4mu lol
@liamwatts7105
@liamwatts7105 5 жыл бұрын
There is a much faster way. On the second line you've shown I(b) = L{sinx/x} (laplace transform) and we know the identity that L{f(x)/x} = integral from s to ∞ of L{f(x)} ds L{sin(x)} = 1/(1 + s^2), then integrating that gives tan-1(∞) - tan-1(s) So I(b) = 𝜋/2 - tan-1(s) I(0) = 𝜋/2
@yuchenwang679
@yuchenwang679 5 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a bit rusty, but don't you need to prove uniform convergence before bringing the differentiation sign inside the integral?
@MsMaciekk
@MsMaciekk 5 жыл бұрын
I think you're right. I was thinking the same
@andy-p3d2i
@andy-p3d2i 5 жыл бұрын
Does it help? I am not an expert in the field (yet): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule
@user-wu8yq1rb9t
@user-wu8yq1rb9t 3 жыл бұрын
I love this video, for many reasons. When I watching it, I just enjoyed. Thank you so much for this.
@Czeckie
@Czeckie 7 жыл бұрын
the only problem is that the computation is not justified. Leibniz rule is not stated for improper integrals. If you want it to use for improper integrals, you have to justify all the exchanges of limits that arise.
@Czeckie
@Czeckie 7 жыл бұрын
No. It's more complicated. If you want to use Leibniz rule for improper integrals, the integral has to be absolutely convergent, but int sin(x)/x is not. You need to do more work, see Lang's Undergraduate analysis for example, this case is treated there (but the last part left as an exercise).
@jadegrace1312
@jadegrace1312 7 жыл бұрын
Czeckie isnt integral sinx/x absolutely convergent for all values except x=0 and x=infinity/negative infinity, and we know it converges for int [0,inf] sin(x)/x because of the graph, you could use the infinite sum for the integral
@martinepstein9826
@martinepstein9826 6 жыл бұрын
Joshua you're talking about whether limiting values of the function f(x) = (sin x)/x exist, not whether the integral of the function is convergent. Czeckie is referring to the convergence of a sequence like [int f(x) from 0 to pi, int f(x) from 0 to 2pi, int f(x) from 0 to 3pi, ...] which is conditionally convergent but not absolutely convergent.
@turbopotato4575
@turbopotato4575 7 жыл бұрын
Nice. I only knew how to do it using the gamma function. But proving that that takes way to much time to only be used for a specific integral
@ClumpypooCP
@ClumpypooCP 7 жыл бұрын
Lmao the "isn't it" in the thumbnail
@aintaintaword666
@aintaintaword666 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind more explanations at 10:00... I mean, all the rest is more or less technicalities, but that was the crucial part of the whole thing
@亨亨-y5v
@亨亨-y5v 7 жыл бұрын
K 歌之王?
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Isaac TNT yes
@__-rs8kr
@__-rs8kr 4 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen man of culture
@venkybabu8140
@venkybabu8140 Жыл бұрын
Write as 1/sinx/x . Expand 1/x^ 2 series and use Pi/2.
@executorarktanis2323
@executorarktanis2323 4 жыл бұрын
13:19 that is cool
@kaistrandskov
@kaistrandskov Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely fascinating! I love the concept of multiplying by a function that we will later set to be 1 when the time is right. Let's see if I can summarize: The goal is to cancel that x on the bottom of F(x). 1. Multiply by a function I(b) that will later become I(0) = 1. Make sure to pick an I(b) where I'(b) yields a handy x in the numerator. 2. Take the partial derivative of I(x) with respect to b. This yields an x in the numerator of I'(b). 3. Cancel the x in the numerator and denominator. This is the important step to get rid of x in the denominator. 4. Now, Integrate I'(b) so that we get back to I(b) 5. But I(b) has a C in it. What the heck is C? 6. Look at a useful value of x so that we can figure out what C is, namely x=inf, and solve for C. 7. Now, we can integrate F(x) where I(0) = 1 without that pesky x in the denominator. 8. Party!
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