Blade & Sorcery VS Battle Talent VS Grimlord VS Undead Citadel VS Hellsplit Arena - Physics Melee VR

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0:00 Intro
0:16 Combat
3:30 Waggle Attacks
4:40 Block and Parry
5:45 Throwing
6:35 Magic
7:50 Enemy AI
12:00 Weapon Handling
14:20 Content
17:50 Graphics
20:00 Conclusion

[@Christibber]

What do you mean “Blade and Sorcery has no mana”? Blade and Sorcery absolutely has mana. You can turn it off in the cheats menu, but it’s definitely there

[@therealg6947]

Another correction battle talent does have a parry system and it gives you a lot of time for a counterattack

[@pwansa]

Also he says blade and sorcery has a lot off jank, but I think he forgot it’s still in early access

[@pwansa]

Also he says blade and sorcery has a lot off jank, but I think he forgot it’s still in early access

[@cuefy]

@@pwansa to be fair bro.. its been in early access for 4 years lmao

[@holdeenyo8914]

I mean, sure, but baldurs gate 3 was also in early access for 4 years, and look at it's final product. Look at 7 days to die, it's been in EA for 10 years, but they're still chugging along making the game better. Blade and Sorcery is marching through unmarked territory with the whole physics based sword fighting, as are theses other games. You have to be patient@@cuefy

[@SayHelloToGrux]

Hello from Hellsplit: Arena developers, mr. Virtual Insider! Thank you for the great video! We're still hard working on the game and do our best for you, dear players! :)

[@frontmanguitars8276]

You lot have made a hell of a game and I really enjoyed it, replaying it again! Keep at it, it's one of the best vr games out there

[@Butterspoon999]

I think this is some random ahh account but if it is the devs u kinda trew ur game away by not releasing it on quest (most vr players are on quest so sales will go trough the roof) And yes i know quest is absolute trash and hard to put a game on but it is the most popular headset

[@Anon_2_1]

@@Butterspoon999 They would have had to rebuild the whole game and assets. It uses Unreal Engine 5 which is almost impossible to get running on the quest without looking like roblox, there is a reason why most Quest 2 games use Unity. Im glad they did not use time trying to make it run on the quest so the game is actually playable

[@frontmanguitars8276]

Agreed fuck the quest, I'd rather a quality game both game play and graphics then a downgrade in every respect. Considering this game makes the best combat lists I don't think they threw it away. Look at blades and sorcery nomad... It's an absolute atrocity

[@greatestape960]

@@Butterspoon999hellsplit would have to give up most of its features and physics for the quest 2

[@scary_jere69]

You actually can stagger enemies in battle talent if you swing into an enemies attack and block it while swinging

[@JubulusPrime]

Battle talent has Block (weakest, uses least ammount of skill and can not block heavy attacks) deflect (stuns enemies after hitting the enemy's weapons) and Heavy Deflect (When deflecting while using a charge attack you can ragdoll non-boss enemies) There is also a dodge-dash

[@Dremaus1911]

battle talent is possibly the most SAO like game ive seen

[@TGRVr-rq5we]

Blocking is actually used alot, especially when fighting bosses like the tall goblins, dark lord, Orc's and more. really the only time you dont use blocks is when your facing a few weaker enemies@@JubulusPrime

[@JubulusPrime]

@@TGRVr-rq5we those are deflects, not blocks

[@TGRVr-rq5we]

Ok first of all, how the hell are you going to tell me a block is a deflect? you may not use it, but others do dumbass. If your going to tell someone that something is something else, you should know what and how they are doing it. nowhere in my text did i state how i did it. Think twice before you reply.@@JubulusPrime

[@commanderboom2626]

6:55 Slight correction, there is mana for spells in B&S but it can be toggled off or vise versa

[@JustFeral]

I don't even think that's a slight correction. It's a major oversight. Wonder if he's playing with cheats enabled and just forgot.

[@jouille4524]

@@JustFeral yeah, kinda makes your wonder how much research this guy does

[@Echo-22-538]

​@@jouille4524I agree, there's mana in B&S and Battle Talent is actually very parry focused. I haven't played the other games so I can't comment on how valid the stuff he says was.

[@jouille4524]

@@Echo-22-538 you're right I completely forgot the fact that he missed the fact that parrying is ESSENTIAL in Battle Talent (try killing the final boss without parrying, good luck lmao) Also I've also played hellsplit arena and the way he praises the game is quite weird, the game really isn't that good, mainly because late game enemies are super spongy and are a pain to fight against. It really looks like he played each game for 1h before making the video

[@Echo-22-538]

@@jouille4524 Yeah I've played Hellsplit Arena, I don't know why I said I haven't. He's sorta right and sorta wrong. I love fighting Zombies because it does feel kinda realistic with the dodging, parrying and the similar parrying in Battle Talent. But you are 100% right. It's not even late game, it's just bosses. They're so tedious. There's no fighting, it's just chipping away at health while backing away. The only boss I enjoyed fighting was the very big guy because I could slice his intestines out. Oh but the Archers... I hate the Archers, I don't know why he liked them. You sometimes have to take a hit because when you get close they release the arrow instead of being dumb and putting the bow away. Do you understand? All-in-all, I liked Battle Talent the most and I've only played the demo (I didn't realise the full game had released until a couple days ago). B&S is not exactly *carried* by the modding community, but without it then it wouldn't be as popular. Hellsplit has some really satisfying fighting but it can also be incredibly tedious. I like them all but some have major drawbacks.

[@RinkieGeintie]

Throwing becomes alot easier in B&S when instead of throwing it regularly, you quickly push it in a straight line away from you and then release. This way it it way easier to aim, and it still has the same force behind it. It also stops the weapon from spinning around. (This is of course only effective with weapons that have a point on the end, like swords, daggers, and spears)

[@Tacos18]

Same in BT

[@gopieranezhath3533]

Battle talents combat really shines when you combine different abilities in a smooth way and is way less grounded compared to other games

[@gr1m_r3apr3]

What really makes blade and sorcery stand out is the insane modding community and mod support that it has, as it really makes the possibilities endless when playing.

[@crtmojo2705]

So many great ideas for Star Wars based games. Eventually we will get co op for Blade and Sorcery. once the tech catches up.

[@kingdtb6750]

Which makes it really irritating just thinking about what level it could be at if they added steady content or something to really keep the players engaged.

[@crtmojo2705]

@@kingdtb6750 warpfrog has a small team. All the big studios are still working on console franchise games.

[@-gemma-6735]

Battle talent also has a build in mod menu, though not as many mods (there’s still a lot)

[@JubulusPrime]

More mods that can be used since B&S does not have compatability for old mods while in Battle Talent you can use every mod from the first mod ever created

[@clairencoffee]

I've tried other games than Blade & Sorcery but despite the worse graphics, the bad AI and a lack of story or progression the combat is a lot more immersive because of the full physics simulation, other games feel like they play a preset animation when you hit an enemy whereas B&S doesn't need it and just has the enemies react to hits in a realistic way, despite its jank the combat has a lot more weight than in other games

[@JubulusPrime]

I really really disagree, I am highly disapointed with how lifeless and robotic the movements of B&S enemies are, Very few animations and they all get boring and repetitive. They also all have the exact same stupid face.

[@clairencoffee]

@@JubulusPrime Yeah that's the major downside of B&S but the game overall feels a lot better than other games I've tried, even though the enemies act like weird robots it feels like they're physically present.

[@cendresaphoenix1974]

Hellsplit feels like an animation to you? However blade and sorcery's clunky mess of a physics system doesn't? Bruh I literally cannot believe you played these games.

[@grayanddevpdx]

⁠@@cendresaphoenix1974 I’ve played both games. I believe he’s talking about how in hellsplit, very little effort is really needed to get enemies to have reactions, where in B&S you actually need to put a little effort into your swings to get enemies to react. In B&S, it actually feels like your doing something, and in hellsplit it feels like you are cutting through butter. TL;DR: In B&S it feels like you do something, in hellsplit you don’t.

[@ragingpoet9785]

I really liked how Hellsplit:Arena distinguishes passive blocks and forceful parries, great to see that Grimlord is also doing that

[@Tabbywill]

So does battle talent

[@El-Burrito]

As good as the sword physics are in Blade & Sorcery, I've always thought the enemies have been a huge let down. There are too many janky situations where their physics system will cause them to spring about weird and it just feels like movement speed is too high. But I love how B&S simulates push-stabs and drag-cuts. That's not something I've really noticed in other games and it's something that would fit perhaps a more seedy game.

[@AngruPingu]

PREACH! I personally think B&S will have huge competition when Hellsplit releases Mod support (very soon) - everything else about B&S is amazing but the combat itself is just far too janky imo

[@PostMortalForm]

I quite like the jankyness of b&s, it usually leads to pure slapstick comedy, but I guess it takes away from the realism a little bit.

[@Just_a_Piano_]

@@PostMortalForm I've never had these issues, what weird ways are you guys playing the game?

[@Maxzmann]

Your just not good at the game, there isnt many janky situations if you play properly

[@mishmash4760]

I just wanna say you definitely can parry in battle talent, it’s just a little janky, you have to basically counter swing and meet their blade to parry, you also have to put some good force into it

[@deputyhobbs9683]

It's actually the only way to win some battles, and with practice it actually feels pretty good, just super exhausting after awhile.

[@ghostlore3660]

its not janky it’s realistic

[@Tokorai]

@@ghostlore3660 That's not realistic, that's Hollywood.

[@-gemma-6735]

Something for battle talent: if you swing at an enemies weapon while they are swinging will sometimes stun, also some enemies have attacks where you HAVE to swing at the weapon to block, and really the swinging is partying, just holding the sword is a block

[@VirtualBroVR]

Been waiting for someone to make a comparison like this!! Awesome video!

[@Spookyman127]

ITS THE GUY

[@Nonoriaki]

quick word for Battle talent. parry IS one of the main thing of the games. if you deflect a charge hit, it'll instantly stun an enemy, you can also me disarmed if not handling the parrying properly or if you delfect a strong attack instead of dodging it (example, orc double sword attack vs small dagger parry, almost certain to lose your weapon)

[@RealSharpenIron]

Gotta say Hellsplit is definitely the most polished. Grimlord I think I'm going to get next

[@zeflox444]

in battle talent you can stun enemies with blocks it just requires harder swing on the attack and at the perfect time which is called parrying yeah parrying is a lot harder in battle talent

[@shogunz828]

in the steam vr binding for Battle talent you can change the grips from Press to touch and it makes it way more confortable to pick up weapons

[@k0rny549]

great video, wish I had one like this when I first started playing vr

[@bigbrainisaac2407]

You just made me buy hellsplit after holding myself back for so long. It's the most fleshed out in all its mechanics imo

[@magicmidgetman]

yes, I have like 200 hours in that game :), also blade and sorcery (although a bit janky) is really fun.

[@Kuppancs.]

I bought it before Blade and Sorcery, worth every penny. The game just feels right when it comes to combat. I was using two-handed swords mostly, and I still have to find a game where the handling is as satisfying!!

[@lokisingularity3394]

Hellsplit is great!

[@bigbrainisaac2407]

@@lokisingularity3394 And i got it at the perfect time with all these mods flowing out

[@pigcultleader]

as someone who used to play blade and sorcery all the time, i can definitely say that battle talent is significantly better. keep in mind not too long ago it was a b&s app lab clone. i’d say you should definitely go get battle talent if you like blade and sorcery. its very fun to style on enemies, especially with aerial attacks and combos.

[@lemonamon]

from my experience it really depends on what you enjoy most from blade and sorcery. for me i just ADORE b&s' physics system, and it's just on a whole other level compared to everything else, so i just find it difficult to switch to another game like battle talent or hellsplit. if you're there for *solely* combat though, then yeah, 100% get battle talent

[@pigcultleader]

@@lemonamon yeah fair enough. although the physics specifically on nomad arent the best, and bonelab on the quest 2 is better, on pc it is significantly better than most other vr games. it probably is the one of the best melee combat physics. somewhat unrelated, really looking forward for B&S version 1.

[@lemonamon]

@@pigcultleader same! finally an actual gamemode for b&s lol. can't wait to see everything that they've got prepared for full release

[@pigcultleader]

agreed@@lemonamon

[@destyrian]

Are the physics no good in Hellsplit? I love the feel of the swordplay in B&S but hate it in Battle Talent - it feels too Arcady for lack of a better word.

[@thatskindasusbro2967]

You can throw weapons in blade and sorcery, you just have to throw them in a certain way and they become super effective, I’d have to say blade and sorcery is my favorite game, but it’s just my opinion

[@b0xxed]

gonna be honest, this video makes me wanna get all of them

[@y46business9]

In Battle Talent purchase version you can actually change the difficulty to "hell" mode. The enemies get harder to defeat, the human realm bosses get more difficult.

[@DaDoubleDee]

Everyone is saying B&S has a mana system, out of all the videos I've seen for that game I have never seen anyone run out 👀

[@Iloveyakuza]

They're probably using the infinite mana cheat. Hold a spell like gravity out for a few seconds, Mana will run out. You can also check your wrist for how much mana you have (the blue half of the circle)

[@crtmojo2705]

It normally refills with blocking and parrying. But the cheat let’s you have infinite mana and slow time settings.

[@sonothe2238]

everybody plays with cheats on so its hard to find one

[@tompeter717]

Throwing in blades and sorcery is really good, if you know the tricks, for example throwing an axe sideways or hold daggers ob the blade

[@nredsa]

Legendary Tales should have also been included. really enjoying Battle Talent and Grimlord. Looking forward to Hellsweeper.

[@PostMortalForm]

I wonder if swordsman vr should have been included too, it looks like a similar type of game.

[@TheSinfulKnight]

Thank you for this

[@joseandresjulienbarriere8786]

Which is the best? I don’t have the time the time to play them all or money to test it 😂

[@nredsa]

@@joseandresjulienbarriere8786 right now, i'd say legendary tales is the best. it is also the most expensive.

[@gusratterman1773]

Been playing grimlord and I would say it’s definitely my favorite because it is an actual challenge but it will be frustrating because the save points can be a little far at times

[@thech0ice262]

Nice comparison! Good video

[@alcheic3118]

battle talent has different defense mechanics- there's blocking and parrying. blocking is that same thing you demonstrated, but parrying is more like grimlord- you have to swing into their hit to parry, and it stuns them for a bit while also forcing them back, and the boss enemies that are bigger such as the dark lord and the orcs can know away your weapons if you just hold them out- you need to parry against them such as in grimlord. as for why you wouldnt just parry all the time, it takes more time as you have to swing into their hit, and if you are just trying to not get hit quickly, then blocking would work great against most enemies. great video!

[@mtbbaconbro5236]

I feel you didn't give battle talent enough justice in its progression bc its actually insane. Early game you can do pretty much what everyone else can do but once u get deep into the skill tree youll have moments where u can throw someone into the air, jump then airdash to them before u hit em with an arial combo that rivals link ult in smash, then on your way down kick another persons head to platform off them and project yourself forward in the air again before ripping a skeleton in half with your bare hands. So yeah the combats pretty nutty.

[@mksmike]

Yeah Battle Talent is awesome. With way less years of after release polish than BnS and Hellsplit.

[@vengeance2722]

Blade & Sorcery has a Recharging Mana system that you can see on your wrist next to your health bar. Granted it recharges pretty fast but saying you have infinite mana is incorrect. Also Blades isn’t that clunky depending on how you play. In a situation with multiple attackers it can feel pretty clunky at times especially if enemies run into each other but it’s definitely not as bad as he makes it out to be at least in my opinion. As long as you attack the enemy at the right distance it can feel fine and there isn’t that much jank.

[@Just_a_Piano_]

I agree, every time I see someone criticizing the game usually has all the cheats on and complains that it's too easy, barely even gets into the movements, and just blatantly ignores most content of the game

[@Mikehawks811]

Battletalent has parrying it can be used against heavy attacks, and it does stun the enemy, but from the evidence I've seen while playing, it must be very well timed

[@red3589]

you can parry every attack, its just easier on heavy attacks since they're slower

[@jollyog]

5:27 there is a parry system. I think you have to unlock it though, (I’ll check tomorrow when I come home from Arizona) but when you have it you need to parry by moving up and/or the opposite way of the sword (I forgot which one) and you need to move it fast, not hold it still to block. It works best when they used charged attacks which you can tell by a red affect going around their weapon.

[@MACHOx3_theRealestateGamecat]

Hey what dates will each of these games come to PSVR2? Thanks

[@ibanez20111989]

Moded skyrim VR seems to be the only one, all other unlucky not finished or sandbox. Ty for your good video.

[@Tabbywill]

In battle talent there is blocking aswell as parrying if you swing at their attack you can stagger the enemy

[@kaiproductions7639]

You can adjust the grip in battle talent by pressing A

[@SingularMeatball]

Very in depth and informative I'll be buying battle talent

[@JubulusPrime]

Wow, despite him not showing the parry system, human enemies or late game weapons it was still enough to convince people of its greatness, Welcome to the Battle Talent army comrade.

[@JubulusPrime]

Also Multiplayer is on the roadmap for Battle Talent so that is coming soon

[@Primal_Real]

Battle Talent has a parry system you need to use a strong attack or a good swing to stun them to get a quick hit in

[@youbugtv8586]

You can also counter in Battle Talent with you have to if you don't want to lose your weapon

[@Vezteky]

Little mistake at 6:45 with blade and sorcery, you do have mana in game and it is TERRIBLY weak, same thing with imbued weapons, they have a duration. I think default you can only throw like 3 or 4 fire balls before you gotta wait like 10-15 seconds, you can old lightening for a few seconds before no mana, gravity takes up most of the mana I think. . the powerful attacks where you hold your hands together "like the fireball nuke" take ALL your mana. I digress, you can turn both imbue and magic to have unlimited mana in the book :D (Default, its off)

[@Vezteky]

you also have food that can increase your mana faster (Apples are default in game, and others if you get mods)

[@Vezteky]

Also with the enemy AI, you only vs'd the gladiators which are very very weak, if you fight knights or mercs, they surround you and fight you with way more caution and aggression. Plus the armor on the knight makes penetration impossible without fire imbue spells, so the higher tier the enemy, the more fighting styles you can adapt.

[@Vezteky]

You can also spin any object you pick up with telekinesis if you press the push and pull buttons at the same time (cool for lightsaber mods)

[@Vezteky]

You also forgot to mention the backpack you have on top of the tool belt. SO normally you can store 2 small weapons, and 2 large weapons PLUS potions, apples, and tools like the rope glider thingy.

[@Vezteky]

Im a blade & sorcery fanboy im srry for nitpicking, overall this video is VERY good and compares the games without the minute details

[@Rekleon]

I feel like you are just hating on blade and sorcery tbh. It's the sheer fact that you can do whatever you want with your enemies, especially with mods. Cut off a guy's head and beat his friends with it. Grab a man's feet and do the same by swing him around. Kick a guy off a bridge into spikes. WWE style smash a man through a table. The whole idea of it being junky is why it's so fun. Technically there is parrying, you just have to manually do it, guide your opponents sword as you block, leaving him open. Pull an Anakin skywalker and slice your opponents hands off as you parry their attack. Man just cut of someone's arm and use that as a weapon. Edit: parkour and stealth???? Beautiful, the freedom you have is absolutely amazing! You can just fly using the gravity spell and superhero land on someone's face

[@TheSilentStar]

*Video error* During your ‘Graphics section’ you have on screen titled Hellsplit Arena as Undead Citadel. Thanks as always for the great content.

[@aldoalmanza5047]

You can adjust the grip in battle talent press a

[@quaesitorluminis2846]

Battle Talent was done dirty in this video. I can break it down good an quick for ya though. Light taps with a SHARP weapon do light damage, strong attacks do strong damage. Blocks just block and are purely defensive, PARRYS allow for stunning and staggering. Staggering is always an option depending on where you hit an enemy and how hard you hit. Throwing is good and if you can't throw good without connect assist it is just a skill issue. Decapitations in battle talent are well implemented because it requires power and precision aka a critical hit, you can also cut off every other limb in many segments and even cut the enemy is half (Separate their butt from the rest of them.) Its is an excellent game and deserves way more credit.

[@yourmom139]

In battle talent you can make the swings where you have it hit harder to kill

[@Inoculant]

18:40 why does it say "undead citadel" at the top? also, the bosses in hellsplit arena are never mentioned.

[@JubulusPrime]

Undead citadel is an early game dungeon in Battle Talent where you fight sword/mace skeletons, magic skeletons and sword, fire and sword big skeletons, shield and sword big skeletons, Ghouls, fire ghouls, melee ghouls, melee fire ghouls and Vampire-skeletons. There are three vampire-skeletons in the game but I think the one in undead cathedral uses a Light Rapier which is a rapier that normally shoots one bolt of light but shoots three when it is enhanced

[@its_alex1621]

Great Video 🔥

[@Yuki-rh1ie]

so happy to hear your thoughts on grimlord. I'm absolutely addicted to it. finally a proper single player vr game you can just sink hours and hours into and develop proper skill. the physics is so good you can throw a spear into a wall and climb it. it's every bit of dark spuls we've been neeeeeding since the inception of vr. kinda surprised you didn't add swordsman vr to this video. can't wait to hear your thoughts on it. it goes even beyond grimlord when it comes to armor physics more or less. but extremely disappointingly horrible dual handling for swords. which was sad as I was really looking forward to practicing bushido style katana combat. swordsman vr really prepared me for grimlord. never thought of sword combat as strategy playing the other games ass you'd just be ripping them apart. to the point where I played blade and sorcery exclusively unarmed. but swordsman vr forced me to think and strategize my moves.

[@destyrian]

Swordsman VR is unfortunately garbage. I predominantly like sword fighting and skill in these kinds of games, don't really care about progression etc... Swordsman is janky and all over the place. In the 20 minutes I could stomach playing that game before I refunded it, my sword must have gotten stuck on my enemy's swords a dozen times for no reason at all, causing our arms to rubber band for a few seconds before the game woke up again. I definitely don't recommend, it's just bad.

[@cantthinkofausernaem]

@@destyrianI literally can tap an enemy’s head in that game and it will go flying off

[@djwindkind]

Great video!

[@thacoolest13]

Swordsman VR looks pretty good too

[@spaghettiNmeqtballs]

It seems that you failed to point out how blocking does knock back skeletons and only knocks the player back on strong attacks in Battle Talent, but the clankiness of the movement is also a little dependent on how you move, so if you are constantly walking through the enemy, your weapons will drag through them, and that is where you would run into problems. With the long reach grabbing, while doing it, you have to position your hand in the correct orientation in order to grab it how you want.

[@Aaylias]

Not to mention the fact that there is mana in b&s, during the enemy ai section you mention how blade and sorcery has been out for the longest despite it still being in beta and never being released in the first place.

[@dontkickmychick6076]

Cmon dude, this is why I say early access doesn't mean anything anymore. It's a finished game without the actual "game" part. they're just riding early access so they don't need to actually finish it and lose their armor of "well its still in early access!!1!" Lolol

[@Just_a_Piano_]

@@dontkickmychick6076 Because it's still in early development you tard. The next update is 1.0 the full release. One could easily tell it's still mostly in development because the main gamemode of the game isn't even finished yet 💀

[@user-ek5em7fd8t]

In battle talent you can stagger enemies when your block is strong enough

[@claybomb1064]

Good vid. Thanks

[@RoarMcRipHelmet]

Excellent analysis! Any idea how Swordsman VR and Legendary Tales are compared to the 5 games featured in this video? Has anyone played them and can share their thoughts?

[@jonathanchang7783]

I would go for Battle Talent over Swordsman VR, the combat feels more impactful in BT compared to SVR. Plus you have much more freedom of combat in BT, SVR has very specific openings to kill the enemies, but once you figure that out, the game gets very repetitive and easy even. Battle talent also just has more content in it!

[@vroitwyrd]

Swordsman has been my main "I want to beat people up" game, while all these except Grimlord. They have add a lot of improvements over time.

[@Iron_Soil]

1:12 wth this looks so good o thought its pre rendered

[@aaronfales4517]

In battle talent if you hit their weapon when they swing it can make them dizzy and fall over

[@_nom_]

You're a very good vr KZbinr.

[@MacsPage]

Swordsman VR and Legendary Tales would have been good games to throw into this comparison too.

[@mtbbaconbro5236]

Imo i think battle talents ai is the best. They react to what your doing and where u are. Even with the goblins who are the lowest tier of enemy, they will roll away from your swings and leave bombs in their stead to trick you, theyll throw knives at you, if your far away theyll straight up blitz, they can side step you to a point where they're litterally go from being in front of you to behind you and even knock your weapon outta your hand. Also not to mention that each enemy has nearly a 3-5 attack string thats unique to them and this is not even counting the actual bosses who are just on another level and really force u to learn hownti fight and the mechanics of the game.

[@dontkickmychick6076]

I've played through the game and although that is true it does have its shortcomings like its lack of spatial awareness

[@Masculine1]

Hi, just asking can you do a video on swordsmen vr ,I don't know if you have already made a video on it Im kinda new here so I would really appreciate if you do a video on swordsmen vr or if you have already done a video on it please anyone let me know because when I tried searching up but nothing showed up Cheers,

[@Rahviel80]

Advanced mechanics to consider. Edge alignment when cutting. Damage and defense types like cut, piercing, blunt. Edge binding. Grappling. Advanced parring attacks on one tempo. Strong vs week sword contact when binding blades. The firs developer that implements this gets out of piñata style fighting game.

[@GreyMatterShades]

I love this style of video where you compare and contrast similar game mechanics in various titles. Very informative. I've been thinking recently that it's sort of ridiculous that so many VR developers are spending their efforts reinventing the wheel when it comes to game mechanics. It'd be great if a developer could just license the gameplay code, AI, and animation systems from one of these games (say, Hellsplit Arena), and just focus on making content, with maybe a bit of tweaking of the mechanics to feel unique. Sort of like modding, but with a financial agreement in place so the result could be sold commercially as a standalone game, with the developers of the original gameplay systems also being compensated. This would be a much better use of VR developer's limited resources than spending years trying to make better melee physics than existing games, with all that effort usually yielding marginal improvements at best.

[@harperdude1237]

I just wanna point out that blade and sorcery isn't even fully released yet so most of the things mentioned are likely subject to change

[@JubulusPrime]

Battle Talent is fully released but will still have updates in the future (There has been three updates for every month since it was released and there will continue to be updates, Multiplayer is also on it's roadmap.) For example the latest update allows avatar mods to change the size and stats of the player

[@trancendedmindpalace]

Two things needed in Hellsplit: 1. Weight of dead enemy you stab and pull the sword out. When pulling the sword out of their dead body, they shouldn't stick your sword as you pull and become weightless. 2. Knocking an enemy down and then having to constantly beat them like a hammer to a nail for 30mins is ANNOYING! Other than that its a pretty good game

[@joseandresjulienbarriere8786]

Which one is the best? Also I’ve heard about legendary tales too. 😭 Too many options lol. I don’t have the time to play them all or the money to test them all. 😂

[@kingdtb6750]

What's it going to take to just get a large team of developers that are skilled and team players, who could build the ultimate vr combat game with progression and or story. SOMETHING. (Also with steady content)

[@bongjai]

it takes huge income and profits and less greed i assume.

[@JubulusPrime]

Battle Talent has progression but extremely generic story. (The story is: You the real life person is isekai'd into the talent temple via magic defice called vr headset so you are the new Temple Master and must defeat the previous Temple Master because he has turned evil and calls himself the Dark Lord, You must also attack the homes of innocent goblins and kill there families for whatever reason if you want to fight the Dark Lord even though he didn't really say that he would do anything evil exept bring world piece through-out all monsters and humans in the Chaos Realm which is for some reason a bad thing) I have B&S Nomad, Battle Talent and Grimlord and I do have to say Battle Talent is the best in my personal opinion (Very aggressive but skillful gameplay that is hard on the hardest difficulty with super strong bosses) but it does have some flaws like the final boss only being easy compared to the other bosses with the real strongest boss being the Hammer Orc which is a 8ft tall gigachad holding the only weapon that is too heavy for the player to use (well you technically can use it but it is extremely hard and very slow) Battle Talent is also getting Bonelab-like avatar mods soon (It already has a Collosal titan avatar that can be used as a teaser) so you will be able to get big and small soon so the orc won't be that huge when you can be double its size.

[@smokingbobs1344]

Nicely ordered analysis, well done. Allow me to run my mouth for a bit about Blade & Sorcery. The source of Blade & Sorcery's jank is also its greatest resource: its reliance on physics in combat. This often manifests as a janky mess when players first start out, or come over from one of the other games you mentioned. It takes some time to get a feel of the game's internal laws of physics, but when you start playing by these laws, no other game compares to how engaging and intuitive the combat becomes. I don't mean to refer to a "git gud" attitude, because the VR playerbase is too small for that nonsense, but there is a definite vision behind the way the combat works. It's a work in progress, and there is still much do do, though. The lack of a parry knockback is by design. There used to be one in earlier version of the game, but it has been deactivated since U11. This allows the player to catch the enemy's weapon on their own and redirect it. In other words, you create your own opening. These are the kind of things that makes the combat feel so interactive when you get used to it. I've got a couple of videos on my channel showing this, if you're wondering what the hell I'm on about. There are still plenty of things to change and improve in the game, though. it's by no means perfect. And that's just the combat. There is a distinct lack of main-game content right now, which should be getting betting following the next update. Cheers!

[@Just_a_Piano_]

I love that parrying doesn't stagger the enemies, it's honestly boring for me when games do that. They swing at you, just move your hand forward and now they're completely open. In B&S this allows the enemies to have chain attacks at times and I especially love some of the mods that make enemies attack more often and faster which makes it more fun and interesting

[@marcusisCool69]

at 10:50 they are not being dumb, that is a purposely added feature called dizziness. It is not a mistake in the ai, it is something that happens after you stab or block

[@RedZFlame]

one of the big reasons blade and sorcery, combat wise, is not as strong as the other games is because the game is a "full physics simulator". the game isn't fully focused on medieval combat, rather being one the games more or less side focuses. with shit like swimming and climbing, blade and sorcery is built to be a simulator, not a medieval game. as Baron said, the melee combat is a side effect of their dedication to being a physics simulator.

[@ScarryHarry93]

I actually think the stabbing in games like B&S are pretty good, and don't think the "walk and hold sword out" stabbing needs "fixing". I mean, imagine and actual, sharp blade or spear - now imagine the force and momentum a standard person has from just movement, PLUS any armor they have on. If you assume you have a good grip on the weapon and walk with force, it would pierce skin pretty easy (it still wouldn't work on armor of course). I think the only reason it may not feel satisfying, is because we don't "feel" the walking (unless you use a VR treadmill I guess), and the enemies do ragdoll a bit easily and feel less weighty than a human would.

[@mksmike]

A real sword will still cut if you waggle it, so long as you're not hitting with the flat. Also, Battle Talent's "Deflect" ability works exactly like parrying in Grimlord so idk what you're on about here.

[@NoahYoudontneedtoknowmyl-kt3vc]

Grim lord is a good story driven game.

[@Ronteque]

I think I will get B&S when we get more news on the so called "Crystal Hunt" mode. I want more gameplay progression and stuff not just a sandbox like gary's mode to mess around with. Maybe I'll get Battle Talent or Hellsplit Arena for now. Hellsplit Arena looks boring because every enemy is either a zombie or skeleton while Battle Talent has more variety? But then again, I only just got into VR recently and I am not sure I am ready for Battle Talent without my VR legs. I am currently playing "Beat Saber" and "Until you fall"..

[@ronm6585]

Thank you.

[@user-of8rd2yc3x]

in battle talent you can stunn the m my blocking but you need to hit back realy hard and you can lose your weapon to a much stronger enemy if you dont block hard enough

[@StatchVR]

I wish he’ll split was in the quest store

[@Tokorai]

I was pretty disappointed in Battle Talent's parry system. I couldn't get the deflects to work at all, and even the blocks only worked about 30% of the time. I even recorded it and reviewed my gameplay to see what I was doing wrong, but in the playback I was clearly blocking their weapon with mine and still taking damage. I don't blame you for thinking that blocking/parrying does nothing in this game, it does seem to be catered more aggressive crowd. Feels kind of like Devil May Cry in VR. Grimlord's blocking/parrying is almost perfect, with the exception of the knight's fast overhead often clipping through my weapon. I just wish the enemies weren't HP sponges. Hellsplit Arena is on my list next. I have high hopes for it.

[@ClellBiggs]

I love GrimLord and HellSplit. They're two of my favorite VR games. GrimLord is what I've been waiting on since I first got a headset. I haven't played Blade & Sorcery because I've watched a lot of gameplay of it and it always looked janky to me. I also need more than just killing people over and over to keep me playing. I also haven't played Battle Talent but now that I know it's not just an arena fighter I think I will give it a try. I have Undead Citadel. I bought it after I finished GrimLord so I didn't have to go cold turkey, but it sounds like it's not going to live up to GrimLord's greatness. Two games not in this video I really enjoy are Legendary Tales and EverSlaught. Both are amazing and if you like any of the games in this video those two are also worth trying.

[@robjsmiles]

Honestly, HellSplit felt pretty janky to me after playing a lot of Blade and Sorcery. It does have nice smooth animations and graphics though

[@samertron]

Blade and sorcery is my favorite. In Blade and Sorcery, the mods kinda carry the game, i mean look at the mods on nexus mods. You can make the game WAAAAAAAAY better with only a couple of mods. all you really need is a couple of weapon packs, armor packs, and some realistic blood mods and boom 10x better. i have over 100 hours in the game and the mods are pretty much the reason i still play. blade and sorcery is also coming out fully soon and not just early acess. the games still is in early acess

[@Lonelyweirdo96]

We really do have too many of these kinds of games. I get that the medieval fantasy aesthetic is popular, but every other game in VR can’t be “blade and sorcery but slightly different “

[@maxthibodeau3627]

my only limitation with Blade and Sorcery is that my quest keeps RANDOMLY DISCONNECTING FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!!

[@Purplestar-nj8fp]

6:07 bro throwing in b&s is way different than other games

[@TGRVr-rq5we]

When the enemies in battle talent go dumb after a hit, thats purposely put into the game. Its called a dizzy effect. This is highly used and abused given its incredibly overpowered use. People mostly abuse this effect on elites, tall goblins, and other bosses.

[@diogo763]

I mean I feel like B&S is still popular due to the modding community, I would not play blade and sorcery if not for the mods

[@Katatcm]

You actually need to try u 9.3 in Blade and sorcery, it'll be way better than ur experience in the new updates!

[@dt7197]

I think Saints and Sinners did melee combat the best, stabing enemies in the head in that game is miles better than any of these other games. Of these games, I haven't played Hell Split Arena, but outside of that I find Grimlord's combat to be the best. There is also the game Legendary Tales on PC which has pretty good Melee Combat.

[@Just_a_Piano_]

I think you might be the first person I've ever seen to say Saints and sinners melee combat is the best, for one all you can do is stab. Slashing doesn't do anything unless you have a cleaver. actually using two handed weapons isn't that good, katanas just feel horrible. And there isn't melee against other enemies, the closest thing is people pushing you back when close and zombies grabbing you

[@destyrian]

Of these games, I've only played Blade & Sorcery and the demo of Battle Talent. I like realistic physics and swordplay, so for all its faults, I love Blade & Sorcery for how good the swordplay feels. With BT it was a deal breaker for me when a goblin crossed his sword across his chest and held it there, able to block any attack I did on him, whether it was a stab or hack from another angle... I know it's not supposed to be realistic, but I want more dynamic sword fights. Can anyone recommend which I should go for? I just want to feel like I'm becoming a more skilled swordfighter in the game and don't care about abilities etc - I like good parrying mechanics where I can hit enemies in a certain part of their body and it reacts accordingly. I want to be able to use weapons fully - their hilts, pommels, etc. B&S modded weapons allow that and it feels great to be able to half sword. Hellsplit Arena or Grimlord perhaps? Side note: Swordsman VR is dreadful, but you'd think it has everything I want in a VR swordsman game. Terrible mechanics, clunky and nonsensical.

[@Richard-nu4fb]

what about Swordsman. That one is awesome

[@jeanroger3506]

great and clear video! It just misses Swordsman

[@pixelgamer1224]

Accualy in b&s you need to nlock to gain manna

[@Ali_10140]

Btw u can stun enemies with blocks in battle talent dont think u did enough research

[@MyndaysVR]

even though blade and sorcery isnt perfect its not even finished and mods can fix the problems easily so once its out it will be way better than it is now

[@deadlyweapon1872]

For Blade and Sorcery, you can throw weapons, like daggers. but for swords and others, it wont be able to be thrown as easy as daggers.

[@smakzxx]

Undead citiel looks so smooth

[@playerje4722]

Swordsman vr solos (yes, i only have psvr2)

[@tangereine5503]

Battletalent's problems are fixable with settings. It has more physics options, an ability to shift grip, as for the reactions, they are, admiteddly a bit numb.

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

They should find balance between fun and realism.

[@JubulusPrime]

All though Battle Talent leans more towards fun, It does have great physics and cutting system which allows you to cut off there torso, limbs and neck (two cut off points for each limb) You can also slice the neck of all non-boss non-undead enemies (Humans and Goblins) And the weapon physics are far far better then B&S but I think most physics based games in vr have better weapon physics then that piece of garbage.

[@Dindonmasker]

I absolutely love grimlord so far and i can't wait to see what they add to the game in the futur! I wonder if it will become the dark souls 1 of VR. A must play even 10 years later.

[@JubulusPrime]

Don't they say that Dark Souls 1 was the worst Dark Souls game? Anyways I agree, Although I personally do not like tanky enemies since it takes too much time, I do see why a lot of people would like it and it has a lot of content despite the paid version not being out. I got stuck in grimlord though so I can not experience it all (Not from dying a lot, I do not tend to die in that game, It is just from me quitting cus the enemies take too long to kill so I just get board and leave halfway through causing me to quit and have to restart later which makes me quit.)

[@Dindonmasker]

@@JubulusPrime best or worst is very subjective but i very rarely hear people say that they enjoyed the first less then the 2 or 3. I personally love the first and third but never played the second. i played through grimlord like 15 times and i never found the enemies to be too tanky. I can't wait to see what more they will add to the game and what PVP will be like!