BLADESMITHING | Making Damascus By Hand - NO POWER HAMMER OR PRESS

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Jason Knight

Jason Knight

4 жыл бұрын

Join Jason Knight in an online teaching experience about bladesmithing and the unique artistry it demands. Learn some of the most coveted techniques in the forging industry from the comfort of your home!
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@JasonKnightMS
@JasonKnightMS 4 жыл бұрын
This video shows why the right tool's are important for advanced techniques. Learn more at www.knightforgestudio.com
@Udeus5
@Udeus5 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered why the twists are flatted out. Isn’t there a risk of creating an inclusion? Especially with tight twists? Why not just grind off the twists?
@nickdombrowski8200
@nickdombrowski8200 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to do this without a welder?
@natewheeler1743
@natewheeler1743 4 жыл бұрын
@@Udeus5 the twists are forge welded. Saves time forging instead of grinding.
@davismillard3822
@davismillard3822 4 жыл бұрын
Wow... I'm getting the $150 bundle asap!
@baldwindigital
@baldwindigital 3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever look over at the power hammer and just sigh longingly while you were hammering out that billet?
@coltonthorpe7812
@coltonthorpe7812 3 жыл бұрын
Something that I've learned in dabbling with pattern welded steel is that the thickness of billet before forge welding is key. Thin metal has more surface area exposed to air which causes it to cool quickly, especially when you lay it on a cool anvil. If the billet is too thin, even if you do have good welding temps in the forge, then it cools too quickly or unevenly and you get sections of metal that don't weld because they've cooled too much. That initial thermal mass is what makes or breaks a pattern welded billet, especially if you're doing it by hand. Not that Jason makes any of those mistakes in this video...dudes a beast at the anvil. Just sharing my experience in hopes it can help someone else watching this video trying to learn some tips for pattern welding by hand.
@davidscadlock5569
@davidscadlock5569 2 жыл бұрын
The thermal mass aspect makes a lot of sense!! Thanks!
@superluminalsquirrel9359
@superluminalsquirrel9359 Жыл бұрын
I’m interested in smithing, though I’ve not yet given it a go. In watching a few videos it’s come to mind that a 55+ pound anvil would likely soak up a lot of heat from the metal you’re working with. So I’m curious if anvils warm up as you work on them and if that has an effect on how long you can work metal before it needs to go back in the fire. Also, do people pre-warm their anvils? I know you couldn’t get too crazy with the heat or you risk damaging the face. Thanks for what you’ve shared already :)
@coltonthorpe7812
@coltonthorpe7812 Жыл бұрын
@@superluminalsquirrel9359 the temperatures you would have to stay below to avoid damaging the face of your anvil probably wouldn't be worth the trouble for keeping the steel hot. Its probably more effective to keep your billet thicker, keep a good rich flame, and your billet in the forge when it needs to be.
@youjustsaid4863
@youjustsaid4863 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@spellablename6099
@spellablename6099 Жыл бұрын
​@Superluminal Squirrel As an aside, a 55lb anvil is relatively small for blacksmithing, while I have not used it for welding I have used a 400ish pound one for normal forging with out a problem.
@cuspurs
@cuspurs Жыл бұрын
I started watching these videos 3 weeks ago and thought to myself "its a pitty, that this will be one of the things I never had a chance to try". Today, I am looking for a reasonable DIY forge 😁 I dont care if I will fail miserably, I just want to hit that white hot metal for once
@coastaledge3790
@coastaledge3790 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching forging/building videos for years and always thought the same. I just picked up last of the pieces for my homemade coal forge, and I’m getting a welder next week. Hope your journey goes well brother, a man can do anything with knowledge and persistence
@isaacmccullough684
@isaacmccullough684 Жыл бұрын
@@coastaledge3790 i really hope it works out for you two its a fun hobby and definitely a dream for everyone to make money with their hobby much luck
@TheLegendaryLore
@TheLegendaryLore Жыл бұрын
How did it go?
@Hooksblades
@Hooksblades 11 ай бұрын
How did it go?
@jacoWhoCares
@jacoWhoCares 6 ай бұрын
@@coastaledge3790 Same here, been watching video after video. Eventually decided screw it and actually built my own forge at home this past weekend. It's about halfway done now and this coming weekend I hope to get it done. Then the fun begins.
@billf9526
@billf9526 3 жыл бұрын
This is why old-time smiths were beasts. This was hypnotizing to watch. Thank you for posting it!
@crazyguy68
@crazyguy68 4 жыл бұрын
I need to get me one of those bio fueled power man hammers....I mean assistants.
@socalboomer
@socalboomer 4 жыл бұрын
that was my thought - hey, he's using a power hammer! LOL Man Hammer!
@JasonKnightMS
@JasonKnightMS 3 жыл бұрын
@@socalboomer That is my daughter. She is a powerful shop assistant. When doing Damascus by hand it is helpful to have a striker assisting so you don't wear your arm out and you can increase efficiency.
@larscw74
@larscw74 3 жыл бұрын
@@JasonKnightMS it's good to see great parenting like that. Beside that this is a good workout too and she's not behind some screen like most kids do these days.
@user-wg6bm3sv2r
@user-wg6bm3sv2r 3 жыл бұрын
@@JasonKnightMS у меня тоже есть дочь, правда ковать ей ещё рано, всего 8 лет.
@Journeyman1642
@Journeyman1642 3 жыл бұрын
@@JasonKnightMS can you list the different kinds of metal that make Damascus?
@TechnicusJoe
@TechnicusJoe 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see close ups at the anvil, so we can actually what is going on, instead of a glowing blob gettin' wacked! Cool looking pattern!
@UNKPCRIDE
@UNKPCRIDE 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what forging is about . Heat metal, wack till joined. Not much to see.
@lostmypicks
@lostmypicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@UNKPCRIDE you do realize the dude you commented to has a channel and forge welds all the time. And you're insanely wrong....... good camera angles are everything.
@jbospecial
@jbospecial 2 жыл бұрын
i found it interesting to see the anvil walk around in the sped up video
@GONE2VT802
@GONE2VT802 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always. Thanks for sharing. Great to see the entire process done with only hammer and anvil and without flux.
@nathanfeusse
@nathanfeusse 4 жыл бұрын
If you have the means, you should make a damascus battle ax at some point. That would be epic.
@soulslay3r360
@soulslay3r360 4 жыл бұрын
If*... pretty sure JK has the means!
@nbooker7504
@nbooker7504 3 жыл бұрын
Yea it would but damn the time and effort it would take to make something that big in damascus would take possibly more than a weak of brutally intense work, ive heard that damascus swords can take weeks to draw out that much steel
@DrengrMike
@DrengrMike 3 жыл бұрын
@@nbooker7504 by hand maybe, but at Jason's shop, a day
@eeyorestrange976
@eeyorestrange976 Жыл бұрын
At about 10:36 it looks like a dick. Lmfao 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@disturbedsilence76
@disturbedsilence76 4 жыл бұрын
Pure determination and the proper technique you can do anything. Great video Jason!
@treybrackman4030
@treybrackman4030 4 жыл бұрын
Jason. Thanks for the video! I have made two small stacks of damascus with no power tools and after this video I'm going to do some more with at least 13 layers to start! I also took your advice from a previous video and starting selling some stuff I wasn't using and I am just about order my first belt grinder!!
@joshwade633
@joshwade633 4 жыл бұрын
I love watching your vids!! I'm very new at smithing and you explain things do well. Thanks for sharing!
@blade.masterz8299
@blade.masterz8299 2 ай бұрын
Do you like Quality Damascus steel with different patterns with very ecomical prices 😊
@ronamedee2475
@ronamedee2475 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help Tiger Lilly ! I could make out the two fisted hammering during the first cycle. Beautiful pattern Jason on the blank. Good to see you again after a week !
@dragan3290
@dragan3290 2 жыл бұрын
It so soothing watching the metal being forged! Amazing craftsmanship 🙂👍👍👍
@jeffreymiller9706
@jeffreymiller9706 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Knight I must say I'm speechless...this is so beautiful. You are inspiring others to learn forging and for that I thank you.
@blade.masterz8299
@blade.masterz8299 2 ай бұрын
Hi Brother. Do you like Quality Damascus steel with different patterns with very ecomical prices 😊
@dankissinger1969
@dankissinger1969 3 жыл бұрын
As always thank you for your knowledge. Still setting up some things but will be hammering some steal soon!!! Thank you for all the encouragement
@Ukenick
@Ukenick 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason, Brilliant video and wonderful work. Great for us who don't have the heavy machinery. Only lots of energy to practice.
@LostViking883
@LostViking883 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you jason for sharing your craft
@michaelwickham502
@michaelwickham502 4 жыл бұрын
The man makes it look so easy...👍
@scottmalcolmson4584
@scottmalcolmson4584 3 жыл бұрын
This was super awesome, im slowly building to a forge so I can make my own!
@paulwilliams5800
@paulwilliams5800 Жыл бұрын
Awesome As always ! Thank you. And please keep this kind of stuff coming.
@donwalker1256
@donwalker1256 2 жыл бұрын
Sir, you are indeed, a Master. Amazing!
@01AlexT
@01AlexT 4 жыл бұрын
Love watching you work man. Like ASMR
@zivac1976
@zivac1976 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome as always. Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
@ChuckCanada1
@ChuckCanada1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason!
@devildog37
@devildog37 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully made thanks
@sparks556wyoming2
@sparks556wyoming2 4 жыл бұрын
Boom.... that was awesome... thanks for the video and motivation...
@BamaDanKnives
@BamaDanKnives 4 жыл бұрын
That is awesome thanks have been waiting on this video since you said you were going to make it!!
@seanbeardy7929
@seanbeardy7929 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent I am now fully inspired to have a go myself👍
@davismillard3822
@davismillard3822 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks!!
@Bigtdill9
@Bigtdill9 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I’m going to try this soon.
@michaelrobertson8795
@michaelrobertson8795 4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to try that " no flux save the forge" thing.👍👍👍
@RedWest2010
@RedWest2010 3 жыл бұрын
Was wondering the same thing. Just bought my first forge, and bought an extra floor just for the flux damage. From everything I'm learning from the mentor I'm working with, the no flux thing blows me away. Great to see.
@shanek6582
@shanek6582 3 жыл бұрын
My first video of his, would you mind explaining no flux? I thought it was necessary? Thanks man
@DrengrMike
@DrengrMike 3 жыл бұрын
@@shanek6582 flux isn't always necessary, it's just used to coat the steel to prevent the air from oxidizing it, because it won't weld if it's oxidized, but if your steel is clean and flat, you can do it without flux because there's no space for air to get between the layers, also your gas/air ratio plays a role in how fast it will oxidize.
@shanek6582
@shanek6582 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrengrMike thanks man.
@JohnDoe-df2zz
@JohnDoe-df2zz 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Was just going to try to dabble in a bit of damascus myself. Thanks for the intro.
@mikejohnston5159
@mikejohnston5159 2 ай бұрын
That “half on, half off hammer technique” is something I need to get better at, it moves metal crazy fast
@thomasdent455
@thomasdent455 Жыл бұрын
I love the overhead LP gas feed! And, we’ll everything else about your shop set up. I’m a new born beginner, and I love Damascus Steel
@paulrobertson7980
@paulrobertson7980 4 жыл бұрын
And zero flux.....just clamp tight and weld, nothing else? Amazing
@mitchmasters2103
@mitchmasters2103 4 жыл бұрын
That's the Chile forge at work right there , you can set those up so the piece barely oxidizes at all. Ive never actually seen him use flux to be honest and he said in a video recently that he doesnt usually. Fucking pro.
@ms.hawley5764
@ms.hawley5764 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the inspiration!
@DustySerpa
@DustySerpa 4 жыл бұрын
You were right.. you made it look easy. Lol That takes me days to do.
@kenmartin1211
@kenmartin1211 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done... Lots of work...
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 4 жыл бұрын
Outstanding....Thanks very much...!
@rosslooby7491
@rosslooby7491 3 жыл бұрын
The best asmr on the planet!!
@johnmcdonough420
@johnmcdonough420 Жыл бұрын
Woa!!!! Just absolutely phuckin amazing!!!! Soooo many ideas of what to do with all that Purdy metal. Great Job
@danepane527
@danepane527 6 ай бұрын
looking to get my first forge.. thanks for this!
@peterwilliamfrench7750
@peterwilliamfrench7750 4 жыл бұрын
I can watch Jason all day long, I would love to be able to blacksmith, 1 day maybe.
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy 3 жыл бұрын
I took a black Smith class, love it. Look it up on Google maps or just plain google.
@Justthemow
@Justthemow 2 жыл бұрын
You move so fast it’s amazing.
@adamdavis3721
@adamdavis3721 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!...also best sales video for a power hammer/press. I was exhausted just watching lol
@stevewasdf
@stevewasdf Жыл бұрын
Got my propane forge one more layer of refrac and I get to start my dream of becoming a smith I spend all my time watching and learning thankyou for this Awsome video and sharing youre knowledge.
@nobodyimportant69
@nobodyimportant69 4 жыл бұрын
That pattern looks awesome!! 🔥 Just shows what a Master Smith is capable of without power hammers and the press. Amazing Work Jason 😃😃 Now, after all that physical labor, time for a few 🍺🍺🍺, LOL 😂😂
@andrewward8954
@andrewward8954 4 жыл бұрын
Wow great work
@devilmademe8487
@devilmademe8487 3 жыл бұрын
It’s so awesome watching you work and also seeing that your daughter is involved is even better!! I’m newer to all this so bare with me lol. With the twisting I see a lot of slag coming out. Do you do that for that purpose to take as much of the impurities from the metal as possible and also I’m guessing that contributes to the design as well?
@avemartin7802
@avemartin7802 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool video. A lot of work condensed into 20 min. Thanks for the edit. Miss seeing you on FNF.
@jmlibertyknives7046
@jmlibertyknives7046 3 жыл бұрын
I love the low layer counts.
@salmalachgar
@salmalachgar 2 жыл бұрын
Strong dedication 💪
@borrego4205
@borrego4205 5 ай бұрын
Thank you sir!
@Ironraven001
@Ironraven001 4 жыл бұрын
Team striking FTW!!! My best friend is my power hammer... Still amazed you can get solid billets without flux. I guess maybe I gotta try that. Badass as always 💪
@ajbones22
@ajbones22 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@hmingthanacolney2974
@hmingthanacolney2974 4 жыл бұрын
I like it better when you talk more. It is very helpful for ameteurs like me
@permanentvisitor2460
@permanentvisitor2460 2 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel, but I like your work. And that big double horn anvil you're forging on.
@timjordan6342
@timjordan6342 4 жыл бұрын
You are an amazing Smith And forge welding with no flux any pointers?
@gabrieleduardoballestero8448
@gabrieleduardoballestero8448 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Master...
@joeplukken1187
@joeplukken1187 2 жыл бұрын
the *ting* *ting* *ting* *ting* *ting* *ting* is just so statisfying to listen to
@haroldkreye8770
@haroldkreye8770 Жыл бұрын
Masterful.
@noahnipperus7320
@noahnipperus7320 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit if that isn't the best blacksmithing editing I've ever seen! For those harboring the accusation of hyperbole in their hearts; ask yourself: "How is it fast-forward but I'm seeing that many exact hammer-blows?" 3:40 you can see the efficacy of the "half on half off" pre-forming but when it transitions into the footage of the team-striking the trick is revealed to be just doing the fucking repetitive work of editing by hand! It's also exactly what I want as an intermediate-beginner (I learned/taught blacksmithing simultaneously at a school for adults with autism for about 18 months with an emphasis on small-scale item production (read: knick-knacks... ha!))
@williamtanner3926
@williamtanner3926 3 жыл бұрын
Damn...ya gotta want it ! Get some!
@panedrop
@panedrop 4 жыл бұрын
I'm kind of curious what the mass of the initial bilet was compared to the final product.
@bentoombs
@bentoombs 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Glad you have help 😜 lol. I love the information and demo. Thank you
@mr.matthews67
@mr.matthews67 3 жыл бұрын
This really shows just how technology makes more efficient work.
@ORflycaster
@ORflycaster 4 жыл бұрын
With the time, elbow, and propane savings, I can see where Big Blue pays for itself in short order. This video pretty well cured my desire to forge any sizeable Damascus until finances allow for a power hammer.
@brandonandreski1709
@brandonandreski1709 3 жыл бұрын
I consider an assistant a power hammer lol. Still it is done by hand, and Jason Knight is a master blade-smith for a very good reason.
@motokikocross
@motokikocross 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! shows how metal is supposed to be moved and the importance of the heat for the metal moving Im a huge fan of your work I have made some knifes, and tried making damascus in my homemade coal forge, ended up working on that piece of metal for 2 days, trying to forgeweld, chased some delaminations, seemed alright, and then split in two. it was a good learning experience but a bit demoralizing in the end.. seeing this video gives me a boost in confidence that i can do it! Thank you!
@holsterbuddy3783
@holsterbuddy3783 4 жыл бұрын
The pattern almost looked like little anvils. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@mitchmasters2103
@mitchmasters2103 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice! Shows why hammer control and accuracy are fundamental skills of blacksmithing, along with good fire control ( coal) and proper anvil setup always helps move that material. Tho I personally am not ready to try damscus yet this was awesome to see.
@MrPINKFL0YD
@MrPINKFL0YD Жыл бұрын
That's great!
@mbarker_lng
@mbarker_lng 4 жыл бұрын
My shoulders and arms ache just watching this. :)
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy 3 жыл бұрын
You would be surprised. My feet hurt and not my arm at all. 6 hours hammering. Technique. Just the elbow, not the wrist.
@mbarker_lng
@mbarker_lng 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrackedCandy Great advice- thanks. The main problem I run into is my forearm getting super tight. I don't know if that is a lack of strength, I am clenching the hammer too hard, or both.
@CrackedCandy
@CrackedCandy 3 жыл бұрын
Thought it would be more dramatic after the twisting. Still pretty. What are the layers made of? Awesome as always. Just did my first class and I am hooked. Did a horseshoe knife bottle opener at Lawless Forge in Seattle. Fun fun. Hooked now.
@MPBushman
@MPBushman 4 жыл бұрын
With pattern welded steel existing at the same time as Wootz Damasca, do you happen to know the circumstances surrounding pattern welded steel's co-opting of the term, "Damascas"? I've not been able to find anything about it online. Thanks for another great video.
@danielabbruzzese9768
@danielabbruzzese9768 3 жыл бұрын
Literally just starting to put together my blacksmithing station in my garage and wondered what it would take to make damascus without a power hammer or hydraulic press. Long way off for me, but nice to know it CAN be done
@MadRhetorik.
@MadRhetorik. 4 жыл бұрын
As always your showing everyone that you can do it if you put your mind to it.
@jtapper6109
@jtapper6109 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t see any flux or borax used. Will grinding clean the surfaces of the metal before welding together suffice to prevent a flaw?
@HANDFORGED
@HANDFORGED 3 жыл бұрын
The damask looks great. I must try such sometime.
@blade.masterz8299
@blade.masterz8299 2 ай бұрын
Hi Brother.. Do you like Quality Damascus steel with different patterns with very ecomical prices 😊
@travisbonnett491
@travisbonnett491 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I was wondering what size/ weight is the hammer that you were using? I'd love to get one that looks like yours
@genin69
@genin69 3 жыл бұрын
From 02:40 when the music died down this was fantastic to watch! love Love love the shop sounds. such great ASMR. more without music please
@poindexter1387
@poindexter1387 2 жыл бұрын
I love hearing the sound of the hammer and forge. The tv show I now watch it on mute. I can't stand the devil music. It takes away from the learning experience . a little ok but they way OVER DO IT.
@tylerhebert8237
@tylerhebert8237 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure you twisted the billet enough haha. This was very satisfying to watch. Can't say I'll be attempting it myself any time soon.
@calebbrazeau4597
@calebbrazeau4597 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that coupon looks like a piece of beskar steel from the series The Mandalorion. thanx a bunch again.
@terrynaylor1729
@terrynaylor1729 Жыл бұрын
Awesome wow 👍👍👍👍
@dprofessor3238
@dprofessor3238 4 жыл бұрын
I plan on starting to forge soon. I'm going to take your advice and make a bunch of leaves first. But, my challenge to myself is to make my first knife a Damascus knife and I am going to use your knowledge, instruction and videos as a guide. Great stuff as always, simply love your videos man. Your "Hammer Assistant " must have some guns! 😁
@stevenjohnson2273
@stevenjohnson2273 4 жыл бұрын
If you have not made a monosteel knife do that before you try pattern welded steel.
@dprofessor3238
@dprofessor3238 4 жыл бұрын
@@stevenjohnson2273 it's more of a personal challenge. I intend to have the appropriate equipment first, then give it a go. What's to lose? A bit of steel, gas and muscle. If it's really bad I'm just out a bit and a lot of knowledge gained. I will see how it turns out. I do intend to practice on other projects first though.
@Hooksblades
@Hooksblades 11 ай бұрын
@@dprofessor3238how did it go?
@BennyCFD
@BennyCFD 8 ай бұрын
Forge welded is not the same thing as Damascus..............Not even close
@blade.masterz8299
@blade.masterz8299 2 ай бұрын
​@@Hooksbladeshi Brother.. Do you like Quality Damascus steel with different patterns with very ecomical prices
@Aleeknives
@Aleeknives 4 жыл бұрын
Damascus by hand = Awesome!
@permanentvisitor2460
@permanentvisitor2460 2 жыл бұрын
And that's a damn pretty Damascus
@SksToTheMini14
@SksToTheMini14 2 жыл бұрын
Quite impressive! Just curious how heavy that anvil is?
@billwoehl3051
@billwoehl3051 4 жыл бұрын
Jason, once you have a billet, is it easy to tell which direction the grain is going? Or does it have to be marked on the handle so we can remember?
@lucasmagerfleisch7350
@lucasmagerfleisch7350 4 ай бұрын
Very helpful. I'm trying to get started forging and need all the help I can get. My goal is to become a master smith so if you have any advice I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you
@Lesnz2009
@Lesnz2009 4 жыл бұрын
cool thansk for shoing us.
@justinwilson4090
@justinwilson4090 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man!
@thomasdent455
@thomasdent455 Жыл бұрын
Newbie question. What type/ grade of steel? Do you prepare steel for the forge welding? Borax/ turpentine pre-soak?
@reumixxthegod450
@reumixxthegod450 Жыл бұрын
What metals are used in the video? It looks incredible and I would love to make a similar pattern
@williamlivingstone4326
@williamlivingstone4326 3 жыл бұрын
Does twisting make for a more solid damascus piece? Or is it purely cosmetic?
@makisap3321
@makisap3321 3 жыл бұрын
Which type of steel did you use?excellent video
@Thisismycomment.
@Thisismycomment. 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome name.
@redacted999
@redacted999 2 жыл бұрын
i hope someday i get as good as you my friend
@Vorian174
@Vorian174 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, love watching your videos, they are so informative. I was just curious to know what attachments you use for your angle grinder and what you use those attachments for while forging a blade. Thanks.
@blade.masterz8299
@blade.masterz8299 2 ай бұрын
Hi Brother. Do you like Quality Damascus steel with different patterns with very ecomical prices 😊
@nhojcam
@nhojcam Жыл бұрын
on the initial billet, did you use flux? if so, what did you use? borax?
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