Nine Things I HATE About Our 2018 Jeep Wrangler JLU

[@stevectl1]

The complexity of designing a new car with this many system is going to have bugs. I'm sure many people know the absolute mind boggling amount of code it takes. Like or not new cars are becoming more and more computerized. This is the reason we get more hp out of a v6 today then we did 2 v8s from the 80s and get better mileage and reliability. That said it sucks cause I like to tinker and these manufacturers are doing everything they can to make you bring it to them for repairs. My dad has a 2016 grand Cherokee overland, the damn thing has 15 computers, no way he or myself are touching that. Looks like the jl is going in the same direction, but they have to so they can compete. Guess the whole argument just reminds me of the fight against fuel injection. Its here to stay just gonna have to get used to it.. But that is some surprising cheap materials for the price range, and hopefully they will have a few of the bugs and oversights fixed soon. Can't believe you can drive off without the key. No one thought to put a proximity sensor on a refresh rate.

[@bleepinjeep]

I think you're right, but I hate computers... 😪 I'm too old to learn new skills.

[@Dezzylyricz]

BleepinJeep are you going to keep the JL? What about a grand Cherokee overland v8?

[@dembrowi_n_c.5111]

Horsepower numbers dropped in the late 70s and 80s because of the oil crisis and stringent emissions policies, not because automobile manufacturers couldn't build an engine. Yes, you can get more power out of less displacement by manipulating fuel maps, timing, and cam profile by using a computer to monitor parameters thousands of times per second in today's world, but formula1 reached the limits of the combustion engine in the late 80s and early 90s (about 1 hp per cc). Now its all about thermal efficiency. And the major tradeoff to that is reliability.

[@wranglernash5799]

Most new vehicles have mey fobs only, not a jeep thing. All new cars have comlex electricals systems, not a jeep thing, this thing is the first gen of jl, none should be surprised that it has issues

[@wranglernash5799]

And please take a firarms safety course before you hurt someone

[@johnkaldeway]

Most of my JK issues were fixed by adding a super loud stereo.

[@Jack-fd8cx]

Same with the TJ lol I just said screw it and accepted that having a conversation at a normal speaking volume on the highway was overrated anyway

[@johnkaldeway]

@nigelcobalt blasphemy

[@jkxelor1295]

John Kaldeway ha

[@elesjuan]

All of my JK issues were fixed by not buying one, and keeping my 300k mile and counting, $400 craigslist V8 ZJ that'll stomp mud holes in the vast majority of the mall crawler JK's.

[@grantmarshall418]

this is so true hahaha havent had road noise in years but my ears are a bit less than they were when i got a jk ;)

[@EmborahT27]

" a pregnant bug" LMAO ..idk why i laughed so hard at that!

[@45shutr1]

How long will those little foam pieces last? Just long enough to get the vehicle past it’s warranty period.

[@bleepinjeep]

So true 🤣

[@austinschneider2706]

Sad to say but true. What in the world isn't like that nowadays

[@colin1528]

@Veiled Heat but thats Mopar not Jeep itself.

[@rickfrank7934]

Veiled Heat no more

[@eustace2c2]

@Veiled Heat Not anymore apparently. I just bought a new 2018 JL sport and was told MOPAR stopped the lifetime warranties because they were losing too much money.

[@gteruya6902]

One of the few honest reviews of this vehicle.

[@GoChangeYaLife]

It's crazy how people complain about things on new vehicles when every vehicle that I have ever owned has had these same issues! I've had previous vehicles with worse issues that they shouldn't have had. There are new vehicles on the market from all manufacturers that have issues. I have to constantly remind everyone that these machines are built by humans who aren't perfect. No matter what vehicle you get, some have issues and some don't. BLUF: Drive what you like, like what you drive!

[@Andsleeter]

For someone with so many issues with his new car, he is amazingly calm.

[@CHMernerner]

It's a jeep

[@bradlfsh]

Lmao I was thinking the same thing😂 idky I thought it was funny when he said the power windows switches are in the center which I have not grown accustomed to lol

[@badgerpa9]

He is always calm, if you drive jeeps you get used to this.

[@Stuntman2304]

It’s Matt. You must be new here lol

[@Stuntman2304]

I’ve been watching Matt since before he cut up old Cherokee doors to make custom Cherokee half doors. He’s like he is on KZbin in real life. Calm, funny, and collected. He’s a great guy! I’m a GIGANTIC fan of Bleepinjeep. One day I want to take a trip up north and wheel with Matt and Jeremy. It’s my dream wheeling trip. Matt knows who I am. He’s responded to quite a few of my comments. Jeremy has also. The Jeep community is massive.

[@jokerchris1]

The JK and JL just make me love my TJ more! Lol

[@frackyouasshat5531]

AMEN FUCK THE NEW JEEPS AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED THE FUCKING STATUS SYMBOL WANTING SOCCER MOMS CAN HAVE THEM ILL KEEP MY CJ AND AM DROPPING A CJ ENGINE IN MY TJ

[@jokerchris1]

I know it will be a lot of money but cheaper that a new wrangler, but I want to eventually drop a Cummins R2.8 in my TJ!

[@Jack-fd8cx]

@@jokerchris1 Seriously! That 2.8 is my dream engine swap for the tj....but with how much that'll cost I want to get a different tj preferably an 06 LJ for the extra cargo space and longer wheel base on trails

[@austinschneider2706]

AMEN!!! TJS YJS CJS AND ARMY JEEPS ARE THE ONLY REAL JEEPS. THE NEW ONES ARE ONLY ROCKETSHIPS WITH 4 WHEELS AND A JEEP EMBLEM. ALL JEEP IS DOING IS KILLING THEIR OWN BRAND!!!

[@OneManTrail]

Jack L love my 06 LJ.

[@USARMYvietnamVET1969]

I bought a brand new CJ-7 Wrangler Hardtop in 1977, it had a 258 ci AMC 6 cylinder motor. It was built like a Tank and never had a single problem, both rugged, very simple and quite comfortable. Never leaked and never got stuck. I looked at the new ones but bought a 2018 Toyota Highlander limited instead.

[@RedFaceeee]

JL Rubicon owner here. Sure this guy is right about these points but they shouldn’t be a deal changer. Trust me the card amazing and I’m loving life with my JL.

[@bushhog8142]

This is why I got a well maintained 20 year old Jeep and spent some money and made it mine. None of that computer mess.

[@ctmac9404]

I bought my '12 JK brand new, trading in my '98 TJ. I still really like it. It's my 5th Wrangler, in a row. But I won't be buying another new Jeep. They are not aiming the new ones to their previous customer base. They have become overpriced, tech heavy, complicated vehicles, that are designed to be brought to the dealership for service. Am I the only person who thinks the new pickup is going to be a quick ending fad? Ford Explorer Sport Trac, Subaru Baja, Hummer HT(?) , people that bought these soon realized that they either needed a real pickup bed, or they didn't need a pickup at all.

[@Sig721Tau]

@Andrew Pearson You do understand that baby boomers are dying off and that manufacturers have to appeal the younger masses, right? They like techy gadgets and stuff similar to that.

[@mrjomaled755]

@@Sig721Tau or appeal to millenial soccer moms wearing lululemon leggings.....

[@matthewgiroux353]

- Many of the issues mentioned boil-over from the JK - Cracking winshield - unless you got a 2007 - 2011 windshield, expect cracks on a yearly basis - The seatbelt buckle sticky fabric - This is also found on the JK and is designed to prevent your buckle from scratching the center console. Im glad they include it as a stick on fabric - makes it easier to replace when it wears out (or peels off) imo. - The Tailgate window seal - Same as on the JKs. i work in a wrangler mod shop and you might be surprised, but those seals rarely need to be changed. - Tailgate - like JK's, taking out the panel covering the trunk pocket is the only way around that one on most wranglers since the tailgate started coming out sideways - Rocks in the Fender Flares - JKs have that issue (slightly less so). I guess its the price we pay to have removable fender flares. - Comfortability - you have to look at where the wrangler is coming from. The JL's interior is superior to the JK's, which was superior to the TJ's. Not many vehicles come with dead pedals - the JK and TJ didn't - luckily, thats where the after market comes in To allow the Tires to stick out more, the body needs to stay narrow - obviously this cuts out shoulder space. The JL has a telescopic steering wheel, giving you much more comfort than the JK fixed steering wheel distance. - Play in the steering wheel - Same for all Wranglers - the steering system has a lot of joints in it, and each joint contributes to some play. The play is necessary in order for the jeep to handle larger tires or rough terrain. You can easily tighten the steering box to your liking to reduce the play, but the tighter you go, you might find that its road manners on ruts and uneven roads at higher speeds become jarring, unpredictable, and difficult to manage. (very similar effect to having a steering damper that is too tight).

[@aeastes11]

Guy buys Jeep, doesn’t realize its a Jeep

[@fuzzd0rk]

The auto stop/start was my most hated feature until I installed a bypass module that remembers if I have it shut off. Now it’s the water that dumps on me when I open the door in the rain.

[@frankhuber9912]

Don't worry about the steering, it's designed to make the Jeep safe and easy to drive for everybody, even beginners. It's the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System from Boeing, solid as a rock.

[@BrandonSchumacher9519]

This is why you don’t buy brand new models the first few years of production.

[@BrandonSchumacher9519]

Joby Fluorine so the windows being weak isn’t a sign nor the recall for the faulty frame welds or death wobble. Yes it’s a old wives tail but I’d never buy a brand new off the lot the first year ever. Why be the ginny pig for everyone else who wants to wait and see what there like and what the reviews are on them.

[@joseybarra2046]

The flaw in this logic of "don't buy brand new vehicles the first few years" is that it can really only work for a small few. If nobody bought a newly released model, then that "beta testing" would never happen, and by the third or fourth year of production (or whenever you say to buy) the vehicle will STILL have all those initial problems. Besides, this is why warranties were invented.

[@markusluukko]

Joby Fluorine not a wives tale, on the new ford pickups the 2011-2012s are garbage compared to the 2013+ trucks. They improved the motor design and the turbo.

[@Gonzo1968]

@Joby Fluorine bugs do get ironed out after couple of years sparky whether you believe it or not..

[@akbychoice]

Joby Fluorine so 11 years later they still haven’t fixed the window issue LMAO because that’s just insane.

[@thedelmardave]

BTW, that was a perfect representation with the split screen JL vs. Tundra.

[@johnweust9170]

You can disengage the AutoOff mechanism (that shuts off the vehicle at a stop), by removing the plunger switch under the hood, laying it horizontal to the frame and zip tying it off. This will give you an small AutoOff warning light on the dash, but you no longer have to worry about it shutting down the engine. This is easily reversed by simply reinstalling the plunger switch.

[@ericforman3631]

That steering issue on the highway is a deal breaker for me

[@Phil-ek4vr]

Have you test driven one? That did look bad in the video sped up to 300%. But I am pretty sure all of my Jeeps have done this and I never noticed. That being said, it sounds like they do have some tweaking to do.

[@toddDHR]

It has a short wheelbase, any vehicle with a taller ride height than a car with a short wheelbase will require more driver input. Try a Nissan X`Terra

[@nathanserrano7524]

For the JL they change out the steering damper to correct this

[@kennyphelps1160]

There is a flash update to fix that issue

[@witp7928]

Kenny Phelps is it expensive?

[@chirho100]

This video makes me appreciate my 2009 JK, I can service and do many things myself, then take it to a mechanic, I admit the TJ is better, but you really made me love my JK and, I will keep my jeep for a long time, and keep the stock radio in it too.

[@eddymatch1435]

Too much Bleep in this Jeep for me.

[@ilmjcxj8064]

I think we’re losing perspective here. On one hand, every time a new generation of the Wrangler is coming out, we ask Jeep to keep the solid axles, removable tops, removable doors. We also ask it to keep the Wrangler tough and rugged. When we’re off roading, we want the Wrangler to tackle the most difficult trails. But when we’re driving home, we want it to drive and behave like a soft SUV.

[@kurtmuzio3077]

Alot of people here cpmplaining are simply failing to realize its 2018...Jeep has literally spent all their time and money engineering a way to keep the solid axles, removable top and doors, and make it more capable and comfortable than any factory built Jeep has ever been, while meeting all modern regulations and standards...They also need to move massive numbers of them to make them profitable and worth engineering. Yeah, there's things they skipped out on, but name a manufacture who doesnt.

[@BXOG_]

You said it my brother

[@alphadata3652]

You have a place to put the key in it’s between the cup holders!!! Man I think you guys won’t like a wrangler at all it’s not the car for you The only thing I agree with is the steering wheel thing!!

[@ds1919ds1919]

And the crank case vent issue...

[@kalbs89]

Great unbiased report from a real owner.

[@jakeg4595]

With the key issue I work at a Jeep dealer and when I drive them I put the key where the cup holders are right where there is a spot for a phone that little spot actually fits the key almost perfectly

[@josephbyrnhopf2481]

It better be a sat phone.

[@qkinrar]

Jeep needs to hire this guy for quality control and design ASAP! I just changed my mind about buying one.

[@Ferda1964]

me too , I can't commit to just blow so many $ on this very substandard quality , it's almost comical how lousy some of the designed features are

[@unwrangler11]

Thanks for the informative review of the JL. When it was introduced, I was tempted to order the Rubicon in exchange for my JK Sahara I got new in 2011. Now I’m happy I didn’t. I’ll keep building my JK and ride off into the sunset with a more capable vehicle than any new JL off the floor. Thanks again for your great Jeep videos, I’ve learned a lot from you. Happy New Year 2019.

[@gravis00]

Don't own one but looked at a lot of them today. He's absolutely right about the hood latch. I was like wtf!

[@gravis00]

Bought one lol. Yeah good latch is strange...PLUS...the good prop is on the hood. So you pull the standing rod down. Must be a Fiat thing.

[@andrewl.9736]

The window switches are on the center console so people who take their doors off don't have to deal with a lot more wiring.

[@MrCanadian555]

I had just test driven the vehicle and had seen all those flaws but didn't really notice them until I watched your video!! It definitely changed my mind about purchasing it! I live in the south with heat and lots of rain which apparently are the worst conditions for the fan and the roof!!

[@thomasraven]

I love my TJ more and more every day.

[@markl2747]

Absolutely! I have an '04 TJ and i' ve recently been thinking about getting a Gladiator but i keep talking myself out of it.

[@jackbradford9516]

As a former TJ owner. I'd never buy any of the new crap. They look terrible

[@Mood_Slime11]

Dude sounds EXACTLY like Mr. Rogers

[@CODstreamz]

Yessssss!!!!!!!

[@krawler1919]

My ‘97 TJ is keyless start as well. A few will understand. 🤪

[@thomasraven]

Just keep a flathead screwdriver handy.

[@aaronbeee1745]

Haha! I had a 98 that was also “keyless”!

[@kenharp]

Would that be the screwdriver version or two wires?

[@CyberZan]

the 1b was hilarious...when he threw the key outside and sarcastically asked the question

[@AldermanFredCDavis]

This is far and away the BEST quasi-review I have ever seen. Extremely thoughtful and logical. Almost all of the vehicle reviews I see on KZbin focus on inconsequential things like heated cup holders, the size of the 'infotainment' screen, and other First World toys. One of the many reasons that I avoid 'American' name badged vehicles like Ford, Chrysler, and GM (regardless of where they are designed and/or manufactured), is that they are filled with cheap components, sub-par materials, and completely thoughtless design elements such as you have pointed out. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have been mastering these types of touches for 30+ years. I'm driving a 13 year-old Nissan with 155,000 miles (with a CVT transmission), and it runs like a top AND, with the exception of the CD player, all of the original controls, switches, and components work fine. Same with my sister's 12 year-old Lexus and another sister's 30 year-old (yes, thirty) BMW (yes, we take care of our cars and keep them). All have the original engines and transmissions. And, everybody knows that Toyota SUV's specifically are capable of running 200 and 300,000 miles with minimal maintenance. Shame, because way 'back in the day,' I had an old Jeep Cherokee that I loved, and I really wanted to love Jeeps and buy another one, however, at their price points, Cerebus/FIAT's oversights are simply inexcusable and there are too many vehicles at this price point which offer a better value. The mechanic that I go to has referred to late model Jeep's as, "pieces of crap". One man's opinion, however, his shop stays busier than Best Buy on Black Friday...……………...in 1999. Another example of Cerebus/FIAT's quality issues are, I've known 3 people who had 2007 through 2017 Wrangler's and all have had problems with the roof leaking. So, Chrysler has had a decade to get their act together and figure it out, and apparently they still haven't. Chrysler has already been on the brink of bankruptcy twice in my lifetime, they better get it together, or they might not survive another rough patch.

[@SecretAsianMan2222]

This seems like you've never had a Jeep before. The window switches have been in the center since there were electric windows. Also, the rain noise is something you should have expected, given that it's normal for the Wrangler. Finally, the interior of the JL is bigger than the JK, so it shouldn't be a surprise. The steering thing is possibly something wrong with your front sway bar disconnect. This was an issue with early cars. The foam on the door is an actual bandaid to try to fix the door seals. This was the easiest/fastest way to fix it. The keyfob thing is literally every vehicle now. Push button is common. Also, there IS a specific key fob spot. It's the slot between the two cup holder spots. Updates are either done by the dealership or over the air updates pushed by Jeep. The customer is never expected to run updates yourself. The start/stop isn't a government regulation, it's just a way to help meet fuel economy issues. The auto park feature is because of the Grand Cherokee that rolled forward and crushed an guy to death. This is a safety feature.

[@assassin_chad_2315]

I was looking at the JL's and decided to buy a brand new Holdover 2018 jk instead... best choice i made!

[@seanalexander9373]

The JL is 100 times better than the JK. Ive had both

[@donackerson5194]

@@seanalexander9373 if not more

[@thomaswest1298]

@@seanalexander9373 You spelled TJ wrong 😎

[@docslinux2]

I feel that all makers have been move this way, they don't want problem solver, the want consumers

[@docslinux2]

@Strong man no need for an economics lesson, been around to see it get to this lol

[@mtndewman1022]

@olds767 exactly, it's socialism and government intervention that turned these jeeps into mall crawlers. safety standards, emissions controls, mandated airbags, etc

[@jenykohl4092]

There is a spot for the key, it's in between the cup holders in the center console. fits perfect as that's what its for

[@Phil-ek4vr]

Friend of mine bought a 2019 JL. I noticed this almost immediately when I went to put the key in the cupholder after I sat down in the Jeep. He was like, but I stand my phone up in there. lol.

[@chance3995]

FYI the display informs you immidately as soon as the fob leaves the threshold of the door. Jeep window switches have been in the dash off of the doors for a years.

[@fredpearson5204]

Great video. I especially love the wife, "I'm done!", at the end when the milk explodes. My old Jeep TJ is looking better all the time...

[@myevado]

anyone else hearing Mr Rogers?? I like his calm and easy demeanor

[@digibath89]

JL! taking all the flack and hate off JKs :P ty! lol

[@digibath89]

@Andrew Pearson XD lol

[@mchulse22]

Most of these issues are the same on the JK. The steering is exhausting on long road trips in my 2016 JK and the road noise... . One of the best upgrades for comfort I've made to battle the epic amount of heat the roof gives off in the summer and road noise is a hotheads headliner.

[@Rockyjeeper]

The issue with the key start allowing you to drive off without the key is that if you have a dead battery in your remote, you can still drive somewhere and get another battery or drive home. I have a Harley with a key Fob and the great thing about that is there is a code I can play soon in case I lose break or my remote battery is dead. That should’ve been an option in cars also. The remote start has been here for quite a bit of time in quite a handful of vehicles. Once you get used to the keyless entry and start, it’s almost as if you can’t deal without it like adapting to cell phones.

[@tymecop]

Is this the First keyless vehicle you have ever owned??? They ALL work the same hence the reason they give you 2 key fobs...

[@koopametalpack]

But the nissan Sentra gives you at least a light in the dashboard, this thing doesn't???? He doesn't mention it

[@roysjudy]

Thanks for the video! I'm thinking about upgrading my JK and the complaints you have wouldn't even be significant enough to register after driving a leaky hardtop JK for 5 years, so this video helped me decide. If that's all you've got, it sounds like a winner. Folks should know what they're getting into before they buy a Wrangler, they are definitely not for everyone. It's all about your priorities Thanks again for the video, Im looking forward to more from you!

[@bigoof1321]

Roy Judy just... get a new top...

[@mblake0420]

My new tacoma seat is the same way up top, I got a manual to get rid of all the wizardly black magic. They want vehicles like cellphones, disposable and controlled

[@GunNut37086]

I put off buying myself a Jeep for years, but that changed when the 2018 JLU came out. I took one look at it and RUSHED to the dealership and bought a 2018 JKU before they were all gone.

[@mikegerber611]

I did the same thing. I love my 2018 Sahara JKU. Zero issues so far.

[@GunNut37086]

@@mikegerber611 I wonder if by the time my JKU is worn out, I'll be doing the same thing when the JL has been on the market 10 yrs and a JM is coming out.

[@sbridge3432]

If little rocks in the fender creases are bugging you, try compressed air. When it's dry, just blow it out.

[@hawkie333]

I’m right there with you on the foam, that’s going to be an issue. I wonder if silicone replacements can be cast. Shouldn’t have to do that on a $40k vehicle. It seems the carmakers are in cahoots with the banks, knowing people will finance so they can raise the price.

[@SnowroxKT]

Man I love my Tacoma even more now :D

[@ArthurRoy13]

Just the electronics is why I'm keeping my 98 XJ. I prefer a small piece of metal to insert in the steering column to start it, physical connections between the steering and brakes, and I don't need Uncle babying me to keep me safe.

[@92powerdiesel61]

@mk319mod0 lol, truth.

[@liamoneill7692]

98. JK. You sure those are the letters you're looking for?

[@ArthurRoy13]

Actually, it's an XJ, aka Cherokee That was a typo

[@paulmelbourne9463]

As a 2013 JKU owner, I can see several things that I would hate about the JLU Jeeps--the biggest being the integration of the turn signals into the front fenders and the orange parking lights integrated into the front bumper. The bumpers and the fenders are two of the most modded parts on a jeep, and the integration of the lights into these two areas make modifications more complicated than it needs to be.

[@jasonchum6206]

Thank you for sharing this issue, the dealer should fix all this issue.

[@shiftintohigh5564]

The groceries...okay, that was good👍👍😂😂😂. Yeah, the steering would be a thing with me???👍

[@maynardsammons1538]

We have both a JK and JL. The floormats in the JK were heavy duty rubber, but in the JL are very thin. How cheesy can you get? The onboard diagnostics (via the steering wheel button) were easier to get to on the JK. We put big tires on the JL and now you can't drive it in a straight line. Needs constant steering input. Like driving a vehicle with worn out steering linkage. Agree, the keyless key is a PITA. Have never liked that feature on any car for the exact reasons shown in this video. Have you got the key? I don't have the key, I thought you had the key. No I don't have the key. Where's the key? In the JK there is a special holder for the key....it's called the ignition. Someone tell me how a keyless key is an improvement...I haven't figured it out yet. Overall I find the JL just cheesier than the JK.

[@sethbingo]

For $40,000 I could just make my Jeep xj like brand new

[@tjeger2869]

Im buying another XJ as a spare in case something ever happens to my current one. after watching this I have no plans for any modern jeeps

[@leslieadams6702]

OMG I JUST BOUGHT MINE NOW IM COLUMBO LOOKING OVER THESE THINGS THANKS!!!!

[@bajalife4ever]

The first Jeeper I understand clearly!!!!

[@ExploringJeeps]

At least the beer cans didn't break when you dropped the groceries.

[@PatrickPaul1203]

We have had keyless starters for 5 years now and have had no issues like you described. It auto turning off the ac would be enough for me to not want the car. Ps. I wouldn't recommend paying full price for a jeep, last year about this time they were selling a 35k for 20k. Too many cheap fixes that won't last, I would rather get an older version.

[@scottandrews4822]

The A/C and other electronic devices stay on when the vehicle auto stops/starts. The statement in the video that it shuts off is false. Plus, you can turn the auto start stop off permanently through the menu.

[@rickwhite3072]

Get back to basics here - this vehicles is designed to accommodate off-road driving, and it always has been. No one drives a Wrangler for gas mileage. And to compare this vehicle to a full-sized truck is foolish. If you want the comfort of a big truck, then don't buy a Wrangler. If you want to get into and out of places that full-sized trucks and other SUV's cannot, then own a Wrangler. As far as not having the key in the vehicle, that's specifically designed to prevent someone from stealing your vehicle and getting any further than a tankful away from you. That works the same in all vehicles, so don't throw blame at Jeep. Chevy, Ford, Honda and all other manufacturers keys work the same way. Wrangler owners are a tight and dedicated group of owners and, although no Wrangler is perfect, neither is your Tundra. Or Ford, or Chevy. Go on "hatin'" but make sure you know what you're hating first.

[@jedjade4002]

Yeah I feel like you could VERY easily make this video about absolutely any Jeep, and a lot of the specific ones are the vehicle not being a luxury road vehicle? Super weird to expect those things from a vehicle that used to literally be a metal box with no electronics well into that being the absolute basic idea of a vehicle. By this point they very specifically are catering to community of people who buy these as a "soccer mom" or what have you that he mentions, but the core group of buyers is still "jeep owner" types who should know what they're getting into. That isn't to say there aren't issues with the JL itself, or things people wouldn't/should/don't like about Jeeps themselves, but I think this list is a bit big for what the title makes you think it is. I'm certain there are lots of issues with this new era of "Jeep." But I also think a lot of issues are because "Is Jeep not luxury vehicle." Kinda silly. Also yeah, he's got some issues in there that are just "modern cars" like the GPS/Head Unit, and the Key, etc.

[@austinlane5533]

Wrong. They keys are NOT the same. My wife's keyless fob will only drive 20' from the fob before the at shuts down and locks up.. I see Matt's point clearly. A tank of gas is more than enough too steal, hide, and part your ride out. Proximity sensor? Boom. You can't get out of my sight trying to steal my shit..

[@austinlane5533]

I feel his point is $40k is a lot of cash to spit out when 8 months in things are deteriorating. That and it looks like it's built to last just long enough to run the warranty out..

[@Skillow]

Idea for next Wrangler remodel: Window switches next to the dome lights (more space for storage) same with unlock/lock switch. Backseat of the 2door version make it half of it removable, I would love to get a 2 door and remove half of the back seat so I get extra luggage space but still able to sit one person on the back

[@GreatScottTheGamer]

I agree with all this. Surprised about something's given a 50k rubicon with this many years of Jeep design knowledge behind it.

[@dustinpemberton8875]

im 6'6 400lbs, i have no issue with room driving my '18 wrangler JLU sport

[@carlzerr6316]

Dustin Pemberton yeah, I’m starting to think this guy is just a giant puss

[@badgerpa9]

Your shoulder does not jam into the pillar? I am only 6 foot and 300 pounds and I had to sit with my upper body twisted because my shoulder was jammed into the pillar of the one I rented.

[@Hay-tn6hz]

Badger Pa No disrespect, but you're probably going to be a little smashed in any type of vehicle. Cars are made for average sized people.

[@brdavis9]

These added up enough to take the 1st year (at least) model totally off my list, ever. (And I'm a tech wizard: it's my living.) What hath Fiat wrought?

[@CandyLandW]

This is my 2nd Wrangler.. I love my JL but I hate the start/stop feature!!!

[@kangarhew1954]

Just an FYI concerning a place to put your key fob. That little spot between your two cup holders, that is for the fob.

[@DELMQR1]

Probably the most realistic complaints from an average buyer .. thanks for the upload

[@arsrfun]

i think you need a new Chanel call friggin Fiat.

[@carlosf3421]

Wish I hadn't seen this lol. Makes me question my decision to purchase the JL now!!! Might as well get a JK and save! lol

[@kennyphelps1160]

No trust me you want the new one he’s just nitpicking I’ve had one for a while now and I absolutely love it the updates and upgrades done to the new JL make this thing a beautiful every day driver in comparison to the previous models.

[@aquaman0167]

The entire point of a keyless push button ignition is that you don’t have to take the FOB out of your pocket to start the vehicle. I have a Toyota with a push button start. I like it and have never had a problem.

[@bjamesm]

Thank you for all the useful info. I owned a Jeep back in the 90s. My main complaint was that the fuel filter was in the gas tank. If you had to replace a cheap $10 fuel filter because it was clogged, you also had remove, and replace the gas tank (very expensive). I don't know if Jeep still has this poor design, or has fixed it.

[@farbodfatahi186]

The key issue is with every car with push button start

[@yazminturrubiartes8118]

Farbod Fatahi not all cars mine is a push start but it will not move if the key fob is not in the car

[@ibrahem2528]

Farbod Fatahi my 2013 Lexus GS gives a warning on the dashboard and a beep that the key isn’t detected inside .. it’s almost 6 years old

[@jangaraj1229]

no it's not (Lexus)

[@rdudley5877]

I worked as a Jeep technician for a dealership and I have to say they have some of the worst quality controls that I have ever seen

[@BuhlouBear]

I noticed something very similar with the 2019 Dodge LongHorn Ram 4x4 as well. I'm a commercial over the road 48-state driver and it takes some "getting use to". This is a Jeep, it is for offroad applications, it isn't a comfort vehicle. It sounds like the Jeep does exactly what it is designed to do, a livable off-road vehicle, except the engine locking up, that ain't cool.

[@bleepinjeep]

Theres a lot of electronics for an offroad vehicle...

[@BuhlouBear]

@@bleepinjeep dang, I'm starting to miss the old days...

[@carlalaberman7550]

My steering stabilizer was replaced by Jeep 2x with the factory stabilizer, and finally the dealership put an aftermarket Fox stabilizer on and it fixed the death wobble!

[@carlalaberman7550]

The spot between your cup holder is a great place to put your key everyday! That is where I put it every morning.

[@Rmehki]

A lot of these issues go back to previous Jeeps. The TJ didn’t have any arm rest whatsoever, and the hardtop/seals are nearly identical to the JK. The JK also has that water leak when you open the door in the same place, and the window controls in the center. I do believe that the seals in the JL look a little thinner. The hood latch thing would piss me off too. I drive a 2 door JK with the regular hydraulic steering. It drives the same as my friend’s ‘97 XJ and my 04 WJ, but that makes sense because they have the same axle and steering components / geometry. There’s play, and it will always strive for the ditch on a heavily crowned road. However, I do believe there is an issue with the electric assist steering in the JL. The key thing is plain dumb. On a new Grand Cherokee with the engine running, the Jeep will beep at you if the key leaves the vehicle and will continue to beep until it’s returned. The JK also has issues with rocks in the fenders, but not nearly as bad. And the engine stop start is very annoying, and government mandated, but it can easily be disabled by disconnecting a cable under the hood (there’s a KZbin video about this) and plugged back in to work at any time.

[@brianjune177]

Honestly, for me... the TJ which I have is the right balance of the original charm of a Jeep, rugged minimal requirement of a "vehicle" and minimal comfort. There is no question when you hop in a TJ or older Jeep.... what its design and purpose is... its clear without question that its not your creature comfort highway cursing vehicle so the expectations of such are not there. The latest models of the Wrangler make me think some engineers who love their Cooper Mini's driving to work thought it would be nice to have a 4x4 version. Most of what I see is like trying to make a high tech hammer..... The new Wranglers just don't do it for me....

[@adtech247]

Brian June well i agree but come on now for the price the quality needs to step up! Jeeps are rugged correct! but they cant be crap quality

[@brianjune177]

@@adtech247 I agree and from what I have seen in person.... its disappointing that they are taking advantage of popularity now in the price vs what you actually get now... I only see a strong focus on making the basic rugged concept ... Look and Feel like a normal everyday highway driving experience.... and cutting corners at it... which I am sure is easy to get away with .. because "Its a Jeep" right... as in It's supposed to be "Rugged`ish" and not "Refined"

[@scottandrews4822]

@Andrew Pearson Yes, and Texas Highway Patrol.

[@petehanlin9114]

Dude, I owned an '03 TJ for years- and loved it. However, my JL is a far superior vehicle in every possible sense of the word. Better on and off-road, and 10x more comfortable getting there.

[@chantelh6072]

My 2001 TJ has been the absolute best! Perfect mix of TRUE Jeep Beast AND TRUE Jeep Beauty!! I Wouldn’t trade it for anything, well maybe if it was an expensive car, BUT only to sell and buy a nicer/lifted TJ, and I’d still keep mine! Sorry but that newer Jeep doesn’t even compare to mine. I’m a soccer mom too, but my kids love my TJ!

[@Adentalgrl]

It has a place for the key...it's the little section between the 2 cup holders. 🤙🏼

[@taxi615]

yep and in his pocket like everyone else. never in 35 years has someone else held my key while I was driving

[@edgarh252]

jean marc Giroux 35 years ? Wouldn’t you key have to go into the ignition ? There wasn’t no push start.

[@mkvenn77]

Okay so for the first couple on you list I felt where non issues, except for the weak windshield, because you seemed to not have a wrangler owner. Your number one is really making me reconsider getting a JL. I had a 2010 JK, had to put to pasture when the trans went out a second time and I didn't have the money to fix it.

[@seanbarber6945]

I have a 2017 Rubicon 2-door and I have had no issue with it , but then again I had a 2007 Jeep Wrangler sport x I moved up from , but I have always loved my 2 door jeeps

[@IcarusTECH]

Auto start/stop isn't mandated by the government, its done by manufactures who can't meet current emissions any other way.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

No idea if it's mandated or not, but when 100 million vehicles with this technology are on the road, zillions of gallons of fuel will be saved over the long haul.

[@IcarusTECH]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH It saves far less fuel then you think...

[@3050eric3050]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH most people just turn it off.

[@austinlane5533]

These WRONGLER dudes are getting some feelings hurt over your own opinions and views.. it really brought out some hater for sure. And I don't think half of these guys commenting know who you are before the start with the weak comments.. I know better. Been watching your vids for years now, keep up the awesome work man. You help a TON of us XJ guys out more than you'll ever know! Best XJ cherokee channel I've found on the tube in my opinion. Keep it up!

[@kamranzamanifarahani3306]

Thanks for this post mate as I was considering buying a new JL in the next few months but you've put me right off the idea. There's quite a lot of serious and annoying issues you've listed there. I am going to use my head over my heart and buy another SUV that I can happily live with.

[@thekingsilverado9004]

Try a Silverado first. At least when ya open and close the doors everything stays the same. Can't say that for the new Jeeps. Most people that bring me the modern day Jeeps are sorry they bought em and too many computers to drive ya whacky. At least when I plug my scanner into a Silverado it doesn't tell me to go fuck myself.

[@SolarTTauri]

me too.

[@thekingsilverado9004]

@@SolarTTauri Outside of the HD versions of these Jeeps and their spinoffs the stuff is made cheap really cheap & MADE IN CHINA shit and people just don't need it not with todays life styles. Too many other things to do than keep kissing dealers balls to keep your ride on the road... Let some other uneducated retards buy the junk.... The Chinese profit to high hell and U suffer... Let someone else buy the bullshit... JEEP ABUSED THEIR NAME AND BADGE JUST LIKE COPS THESE DAYS.. You expect something and get dog shit...

[@thekingsilverado9004]

@@SolarTTauri JEEP LIBERTY & PATRIOT HAS HEAD GASKET PROBLEMS AS WELL AS A LOT OF THEE NEW CHEROKEE MODELS AS WELL AS LIKE THEE PATRIOT & CHEROKEES HAVE BAD FROM THE FACTORY BALL JOINTS AND TIE ROD ENDS AND POWER STEERING AND BRAKE LINES DON'T LAST PAST 50k MILES... BETTER OFF BUYING SOMETHING ELSE THAT AIN'T MADE OUTTA TOTAL IN FOIL..

[@seanalexander9373]

I have a jeep wrangler and none of the things he mentioned are issues for me

[@spacebear49]

There is a spot for the key between the 2 cup holders in the center console. Fits perfect and a good habit to put it there and remember it.

[@mrgoodkat8567]

The steering issues seem to be on all the jeeps except the rubicons. Buddy of mine is a mechanic at a jeep dealer and theyve had several issues with the sports and saharas. But zero issues with the rubi’s and their dealership has actually sold more rubi’s than the other two trims.

[@KoShuFW]

Please tell us why did you buy the wrangler?

[@chrisramsey3603]

Price keeps going up yet the quality keeps going down.

[@michaelsmith9308]

now thats surprising-if people wake up and hold off one year of buying and you better believe jeep will drop prices by 40% and fix the bugs!

[@gillesthibault429]

Since Fiat bought Chrysler, the quality went from bad to abysmal, and still plummeting. It will approach Lada soon.

[@gillesthibault429]

Simply unacceptable!

[@mikem2055]

Thats Fiat for you!

[@SoapyJoeMays]

totally false statement. Quality is better than ever.

[@andrewbaker8334]

I hate everything about new vehicles straight up

[@CarswithNash]

coffeeshop69er yee Agreed!

[@Liberty_Offroad]

We're starting to sound like cranky old men, but I totally agree. I will never buy a car with a dang LCD screen in it, or auto start-stop. Guess I'm not that old though, because I do like ABS and traction control.

[@andrewbaker8334]

Right I will never own a new vehicle

[@moto6ixmoto83]

I hate everything about Fiat it’s all the same garbage

[@elephantelephant1236]

​@@Liberty_Offroad 29 years old here. I rebuild and fix my own cars, and I refuse to drive anything with traction control or ABS (although I would prefer a way to have an ABS system in the rain, but revert back to a prop valve system in the dry, havent figured out how to do that yet). Traction control and ABS for me seem dangerous. Also, I refuse to drive anything with a computer that does anything other than make horsepower. One time I had a nearly deadly scenario happen in the first year of the coyote powered ford F150s. I had a real nice drift going on a left turn to test out the motor (was a rental pickup for getting a fridge) And it waited for me to get about a 40 degree deviation from where the truck was pointing to where it was going, (all this with all of the nanny equipment turned off) Then it did a full cut of all engine power, Nearly sent me into a pole. Luckily I reacted fast enough and countersteered sharply to avoid the pole. ^ Thats just an example of how traction control and stability control systems can try to kill you even if you have them turned off. My other no-go on cars is cars that use V-belts instead of serpentine to drive water pumps.

[@badgerpa9]

I rented one for a week and learned that I did not want to buy one. My left shoulder was constricted by the pillar I was constantly needing to twist my body to fit in the thing. I drove from Boston to northern Maine and was worn out, it handled horribly. It did ok with the little bit of offroad we did but we did not go anywhere hard. The "key" issue I can see happen when you start it up to warm up on a minus 20 degree day and then go clean the windows and loose the key fob from your pocket. Then wherever you drive to you are stuck. Try backing a trailer up and open the door to lean out and check how close you are, you can be rolling slowly to slowly back that last couple feet and open the door to watch and suddenly you are not backing up. The one I rented had just under 500 miles when I rented it and we drove it a lot, it looks pretty sweet in the pictures, but it was not enjoyable to drive. The HHR we rented the next time was just as small but twice the fuel economy and it went on all the roads the jeep went on, the HHR was only nice in the pictures, the jeep does look cool in pictures on top of a bluff. The one "benefit" is when it rains and you are driving it is REALLY LOUD like in a tin can, so my teenager had to wear headphones to listen to their "music".

[@morningstarlet]

This guy is like the Bob Ross of Jeeps. I just want to curl up and nap while I'm here researching my possibly purchase because of his soothing voice. ;) Thanks for the info!

[@robertl.3074]

One, the steering sucks on these vehicles. It is literally exhausting to drive. Two, the fan is ridiculously loud. Three, I hate when I open the door and any condensation or rain is immediately directed to pour inside my vehicle onto my left leg, inside the door and into the cabin of the vehicle.

[@tylerpalmer6615]

I drove my jk 2000km over Christmas break, it handles great on the highway.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

@@tylerpalmer6615 - No it doesn't. Go drive any new German or Japanese sedan for 2000km, then get into your JK and tell us how it feels.

[@tylerpalmer6615]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH "great" doesn't exclude "better". Obviously any new sedan is going to handle "better" than a light SUV with solid axles. No vehicle built in recent history is "exhausting" to drive, however. And my family and I are perfectly comfortable driving 2000km in a jk on a weekend.

[@connerw25]

Also there is a spot for the key fob between the two cup holders, its a horizontal slot.

[@bleepinjeep]

Where coke gets all over the key??

[@connerw25]

@@bleepinjeep where Dr. Pepper gets all over the key

[@mass.c.cmassey146]

Thought that was a cell phone holder! (Actually, didn't know what real purpose was, but phone fits nicely).

[@shawn3149]

There's a slot for the key between the cup holders.

[@badgerpa9]

cool let me know where you park your vehicle so I can swing by and pick it up with the key in the slot by the cupholder.

[@lucatosi2933]

i’ve watched a lot of these videos about all types of new cars and i honestly think a lot of people would love a 2012 jeep patriot base model. the part about putting your arm on the door while driving in particular made me think this because that’s exactly how i drive in my patriot, i’m 6’3” and i’m always comfortable while driving. the patriot is really comfortable, everything works (because it’s a base model and not a lot can go wrong because there aren’t a lot of computerized parts), very roomy, the interior is extremely simple and does everything you want it to do efficiently and it actually reminds me a lot of old 90s jeep interiors. it also does extremely well off road for what it is and i just wish there was a bigger after market for them because i feel like they could become what the xj is today in ten years; an old, boxy, small, reliable jeep that you could take anywhere and do anything to. i just really wish the patriot wasn’t as overlooked as it is.

[@bleepinjeep]

Aren't the Patriots 2wd?

[@MrLaughingcorpse]

That's not a jeep.....

[@NHseacoast]

Fob keys are a hassle in other manufacturers.. You can permanently disable the auto stop start feature. Other manufacturers have this illy feature too.