Compositing part 1 channels and layers EP37

Let's start the compositing series with the anatomy on an image.
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[@BlenderBob]

Ok so there is a way to just run the compositor in Blender. You have to delete the render layer node. Didn't know that. More on this in the next clip.

[@paolofurani]

You don't have to delete anything, just open the render window and select node viewer from drop image menu and save the image.

[@BlenderBob]

@@paolofurani yeah, for one image. What about a sequence?

[@paolofurani]

@@BlenderBob import your video into the video editor, then in the composer enter a video node as input and always select the video you imported from the node menu or open a new one if you prefer and do the same thing, I had added some links but the links are not allowed and have deleted responses.

I copy the text on this from an answer on Blender Stack: While you can't use composite nodes directly in VSE strips, you can setup the compositor with an image sequence or video file input without adding any elements from the 3d scene.Then in the VSE you can add a scene strip which gets the composited render results, so you can mix in audio and use any VSE specific features. You can also setup multiple scenes with different composite nodes and join them all in the VSE. Search about that. of course it's not a compositor like nuke or natron, but for small jobs you can use it

[@paolofurani]

I've tested with a sequence, and you're right you have to delete the scene node if you want do a video compositing in node editor with a clip as input.

[@salarycat]

I use render compositor with a sequence, I just render animation. With an empty scene why is it a big problem? I know it's not very performant but if it has all the necessary tools it would be nice to see the complete workflow in blender. It's also handy to render and get the composite automagically.

Hahaha...You are so funny Bob! And thank you very much for your videos and explanations on this subject that I love and I think, you are the first who talk about it. Keep going and best regards from Portugal. BAM!

[@adarshnegi3691]

Blender Bob: "You see this beautiful image, what is it made of?" Me: pixe- Blender bob: "Red Green and Blue" Me: Red Green and Blue

[@johntnguyen1976]

Yes! Compositing with Blender! What a sorely under-covered topic on the internet. Thanks so much Blender Bob! Will be waiting for each episode of this for sure!

[@Frigus3D-Art]

You know that it will be a nuke tutorial and not an blender one? You can't rly composite in blender, why? Blender doesn't work in realtime, misses many important features a compositing software offers. When you worked with a real compositor you understand that there is no way to work with blender.

[@aleksanderk5695]

As always - quality. Thank You!

[@philipprapp9356]

Love your channel, very instructive - and even entertaining. Keep them coming. :)

[@PowerfullUs]

I was going to message you asking for compositing videos on something... and there you go!! what a magician

[@stephanechataignie]

Maintenant que tu nous as bien mis l'eau à la bouche, je vais dépérir en attendant l'épisode deux : la contre-attaque du retour de la revanche de Bob-a fête (Boba Fett ... ok, je sors) le compositing 😁

[@mjparent222]

Yeah ! I will be following the serie. Thank you.

[@hawaiideegee]

Hello Blender Bob! Thanks for the fabulous and funny tutorials. Please consider making one on Troubleshooting Blender Crashes When Rendering-how to find the culprits and ways to fix them. Thanks.

[@retroeshop1681]

I barely understand Blender, and now I have to learn Nuke? nooooo...! I was hoping these compositing videos were gonna be on Blender, I even prayed hehe But really, as always, so much useful information, I could have only dreamed that in my school they teach us this stuff, but unfortunately no, you single-handed are teaching me from the ground all I need to know ♥Looking forward for part 2 :D

[@amanda_andrade__]

I think it's better that we learn nuke because it's industry standard. So it will be worth it on the end.

[@dyfx9788]

nah for now just focus on blender. after you got good at blender start learning a standalone compositing software. natron, fusion, nuke and so on.

[@migovas1483]

If you learn the principles you can use Anything, Fusion, Nuke or Natron, even if is dead.... Nuke is Kind of there all 'alone' on Compositing, because Its only 'Rival' on PC compositing was Fusion somehow, but now That Fusion is under Blakmagic they are not even bothering adding features or improving , they are keeping it as a side tool for Davinci... So, better learn Nuke because is the only one that you will see on most productions. Yeah, you can use AE but for real, unless is a very simple thing, is a pain...

[@liesvalheim]

I'm so happy you're doing compositing! Can't wait for the rest of this. At 11.05 when you complain that the image order needs to be reversed in the nodes (homer needs to plug into the bottom one to be the top "layer" of the composite) that actually makes sense if you think of the Blender nodes as lines of code. Computer code is executed top to bottom, and so it will do the bottom layer first, I.E the top input. Second input then is added on top, and so on. For some reason this is how they decided to do it in Blender, haha :D This goes for all of Blender nodes. The inputs are resolved top to bottom like lines of code, so the top "layer" is the last node input. Quite unintuitive

[@carbonx95.08]

I 200% agree with using nuke for compositing. It is extremely powerful, fast and used in big studios. Blender is also really powerful, but slow af. It can't handle simple blurring or glares in realtime. It needs a complete overhaul to work realtime. It has the potential but needs some love.

[@blendercomp]

I've been using the Blender compositor since 2006. It was slow AF as you right say, but have you tried recent versions? I submit to you that you will be surprised!

[@carbonx95.08]

@@blendercomp oh yeah I have. It's definitely faster (3.0 version) but still not realtime. I use it alot actually. It's just not as fast as fusion or nuke.

[@matejivi]

Thank you Bob! You are great!

[@smartmoney2503]

I LOVE YOU BLENDER BOB !!!!!!!!!

[@ygsg]

Glad I subscribed to this channel. Awesome content!

[@nitinsharmax129]

In blender, you can go to 'Rendering' workspace and switch the layer in middle top to 'Viewer node' and then save the composited output image connected to viewer node. Also Natron is an excellent alternative to Nuke and will suite your purpose for now quite well... please do a video with Natron also if possible.

[@nitinsharmax129]

@@rano12321 delete render layer node

[@Ruddy761]

I just installed Natron. It seems very functional, and already was able to do a simple composite from blender.. It's a good alternative for us poor folk :)

[@yvesmolina]

Thanks, that's exactly what I'm learning (painfully) right now. Nuke, Natron, Fusion interest me a lot. I can't wait to see the sequel super Bob!

[@chlowden]

There is also the legendary Autodesk Flame. Flame is used extensively in the commercials finalisation & comp world. It is cheaper than nuke ...but not by much.

[@nothingnothing3211]

Yea! Blender Bob is back!

[@jnd6807]

Just delete render layer node and connect it to composite node. And you can save it at the rendering tab just like how you will save your image renders.

[@_thewatcher27]

Cant wait for the next vid. Please continue with Nuke :)

[@787KurtF]

Blender's compositor could definitely use some love. Performance increases, better color management, better rotoscoping, lots of things to tweak and adjust. I think a 'Render Composite' button is a no brainer. I personally use Fusion. Works great, costs less, and currently better than Blender or Natron.

[@acebone2]

If Fusion cost less than blender, that's dirt cheap coz' blender is free?

[@787KurtF]

@@acebone2 Not less than Blender, but less than Nuke or many alternatives.

[@christophepelletier2901]

Crystal clear ! Merci!

[@ErikMKeller]

Judging from the comments, you put a stick in a Hornets nest. 😆 On a related note, I'm looking forward to watch you comp using Nuke. Based on your comment, Blender will appear as well, so this is going to be really interesting. I think it's important to know when to use what. I usually decide before whether to use Nuke or Fusion, based on the requirements. (Using Nuke for certain tasks feels like hunting sparrows with a Klingon Bird of Prey 😈, but that's probably just me, I guess.)

[@jorgetisera22]

Keep it Nuke!! Great video!

[@SnipeSniperNEW]

delicious video, pun intended!

[@dr.apletonstd2279]

Thank you, Blender Bob! I am very excited for this series! Have a look at Pixel Train's compositing videos - They helped me see some things that I thought were missing in Blender's compositor. (Edit: "Blender for Production" series) Keep up the great work!

[@fvalduga]

Thanks! I hope you cover colorspaces as well, I found them very confusing.

[@BlenderBob]

That’s the next part actually

[@TheWarlordBob]

I think even at maximum quality there is still compression on JPGs. You can see this by saving out an image as a JPG with max quality, putting it back over a lossless image as a layer, then setting the JPG layer to the Difference blend mode. Then, use the levels and you can see that there is some compression that was added.

[@BlenderBob]

Anyways, it’s 8 bits. :-)

[@shechkos]

Thank you very much man!!

[@mmmrqs]

LOL -- You're the Best on KZbin !!

[@simoneiorio9703]

Compositing? ...... GRILLED CHEESE !!!!

[@splotchdog]

i think its pretty trivial to switch from one compositing program to another for the basic functions. sure one has a good multichannel support, in the other you need a separate inputs and node trees if you exceed 4 channels, some like the rotoscoping tools more in one soft more as in the other or the other way round, but the basic principles of node based compositing stay the same. I even recomended blender as a comp program when there wasn't a free or cheap alternative out there....Biggest nono for using blender beyond basic compositing was the speed at that time. Btw blenders channel keyer (beeing able to key in different color spaces) is something I miss in the other software (not sure if nuke has it, the few months I was able to work with it I hadn't the incentive to look for it), and I even recreated it in fusion since I think it has some interesting results in hard to key footage, (not sure if I succeded since I had to stay away from the original source code). But nice to see you finaly started the compositing tutorial, much apreciated

[@lucas.coutin]

About render passes, please consider deep data for future videos. There's few tutorials and videos about it, most of it don't explain how to output, which engines have this feature or Nuke setups.

[@BlenderBob]

I will. It’s in the plans

[@dannybcreative]

Go go go!!!

[@edenwalker5494]

I just started with blender, my first build is Bob's idea on EAGLE ONE from space 1999. It been a learning curve and i'm not that quick but i'm getting things done. I'm not a fan of texturing, I'm sure it will be rubbish but i'm going to animate it so if bob wants to go in particle systems that would be cool.

[@VFXRevolutionTutorials]

So glad you've decided to use nuke for this. I've been working as a vfx generalist in the industry on big films and small for many years now and I've muddled along using AE which as you said is far from perfect and not industry standard so im looking forward to seeing your work flow in nuke which I need to start using more

[@VFXRevolutionTutorials]

@hjf4a2 I hear what you're saying, but actually not quite true. I, and many other vfx artists use blender professionally for both independent film work and small studio film work (for large film production). While you're correct that it's not used widely in the large studio's workflows (that's due to a number of reasons, quality not being one) it is however used widely in the industry. Big hero being a prime example, which I believe was entirely blender and in my opinion looks just as good as Pixar. There are a number of huge films produced by smaller studios using blender and tons of TV work. I know cause I do it. I also believe Bob said he has done it too. Some projects blender is great for, some not. That's the same for Maya, max, Houdini and all the rest. The correct tool, render engine, physics engine are picked as per job budget and requirement. Blender produces amazing Hollywood level vfx and amazing animation. The reason nuke is used for comping vfx over AE is that AE is limited to it's coding core and therefore not as good. Blender grows constantly and while it used to be no good for professional vfx it is now, and is widely used :)

[@xanzuls]

@Zombies Eat Jerky your existance is more ironic than anything he's doing.

[@FalconWingz88]

the compositing company im working at, uses blackmagic fusion. it's very capable of compositing. my supervisor uses nuke, and says nuke is still better. But considering the price, fusion is a wayy better choice. fusion is like 80 to 90% of nuke, and in the future when blackmagic focuses their team on building fusion , i have a feeling fusion will be better than nuke. (not in a short time though). also, fusion has alot of plugins, and have a nicer UI in my opinion.

[@faradaysinfinity]

Thank you much

[@4.0.4]

I know it must be hard picking a software to teach on, and that Nuke is the professional choice. Still wish you'd use Fusion or tried to make Blender work for compositing!

[@saduddeentanveer6937]

The only thing I don't like about the composter in blender is the playback,. I can't play back simple composition, so I used davinci resolve fusion. Also keying out the green screen in blender composter is easy with more controls than in the fusion, atleast for me tho. Never used nuke, but I hope I'd be learning it for you pretty soon!

[@marcinm9251]

You can click ALT+S and save file, if you have at least viewer active. You don't need to reneder enything...

[@BlenderBob]

For a single image, yes. What about a sequence? Actually, check my comment on YT, I talk about it

[@akshay_m]

Hey Mr Blender Bob. I have a small request. Can you please make a video on some sort of guidance for artists who want to get into the industry. Like How does the industry work and what type of artist should approach whom in the industry? Please it would be really helpful for a lot of people who have no idea about how does the industry work. (Including me)

[@BlenderBob]

I did already. It’s called “working in the VFX industry”. Enjoy!

[@akshay_m]

@@BlenderBob I mean who is the person whom I should approach. Like I want a job or somehting or even freelance if something like that even exists. Now I don't know who is responsible for doing what while production. If I want to be a concept artist whom shouls I approach, if I want to be a compositor whom should I approach? Whom should I contact? Where should I go? How do I enter the Industry? Who are the people that I should meet? Etc.

[@akshay_m]

@@BlenderBob Another Question is whether each studio has their own way of working ( guess it's called pipeline ). Do we learn these things while working? Or is it something that we should know?

[@akshay_m]

Ok sorry I didnt realize you have made a video.

[@BlenderBob]

@@akshay_m I got another one called Pipeline :-)

[@totheknee]

Sourdough. You have to go sourdough or go home.

[@wiregames649]

If you delete the "Render Layers" node in Blender, Blender will skip any 3D rendering and do only the composition. I still agree that you shouldn't use Blender for composition, but for different reasons. Mainly it's slow and you cannot control the Color Management (Filmic) for individual inputs, it's either on everything or nothing.

[@blendercomp]

good point, I was about to say this

[@tapioca8728]

I understand that there are best compositors. It's ok to prefer others, but there is a reason the mix node works like that, you put the top image in the bottom socket because the mix node takes the first image and then apply the second image using the factor value as the factor, yes it could simply put the top image on top of the bottom image, but it would confuse blender users that use shader editor. I think that blender cold have an option to composite without having to render a 3d scene, but if the scene doesn't have anything, it won't consume processing so it's not a bad point, you just have to delet the default cube and press F12.

[@Tidjojiha]

🔥🔥🔥

[@luciox2919]

at 11:00, u should put an alpha over... but true, nuke is a thousand mile bigger than blender when it comes to compositing

[@Ilrestomanca]

did you use the default filmic color management when you work on movies? have you tried the aces patch?

[@BlenderBob]

I will cover this in the next clip :-)

[@jkartz92]

Do you follow the same when you render using light groups?

[@BlenderBob]

I didn't use light groups yet. I still prefer to use render layer as I have more latitude.

[@jkartz92]

@@BlenderBob oh! sorry i didn't mean actual new feature i meant your render layers as light layers and in that do you use the passes or just beauty render?

[@BlenderBob]

@@jkartz92 It's case by case. No magic recipe.

[@vrSpeechless]

Blender Bob has nuked his channel! And we are looking forward to the fallout!? Didn't really know what nuke was, until this video. Should I care, if I am mostly focusing on the 2d side of blender?

[@ImaSneke]

Nah sourdough and mature cheddar is the way to go for grilled cheese

[@BlenderBob]

Somebody’s going to do push-ups...

[@coolorochi]

I don't know why, my adobe product render stuff so slow to the point of not useable. Same 4k video adobe use near 20 hour, Davinci use 18 minutes.

[@SHTALKS]

Now real-time compositor in blender So, Now is Blender good or not for compositing? Thankyou

[@BlenderBob]

Nop! It's still lack too many feature and I can garantie you that the real time stuff will choke after a few nodes.

[@SHTALKS]

@@BlenderBob Thanks Bob for Guide

[@drinnerd8532]

14:19 Hey Blender Bob, tell us how you "REALLY" feel about Adobe's IP's, lol!!! 😂 ... SERIOUSLY, though, I am CONSTANTLY giving AE the "Bird" when comps get too big! LOL!

[@BlenderBob]

Ha ha! I saw that during the edit. It’s totally unconscious. I didn’t have time to re-record it and I thought maybe nobody will notice.

[@drinnerd8532]

@@BlenderBob I totally believe you when you say it's unconscious, lol! I think it's no coincidence that discussing Adobe's products manifests the natural desire to want to start cursing, lol! I'm sure many of us noticed because many of us feel that way about adobe's software too😁

[@damian_madmansnest]

Is this Nuke Bob?

[@christianmilan5544]

Natron got an update like 3 months ago, have you tried that one?

[@BlenderBob]

I’m not sure if I did but since I have access to Nuke...

[@MondyTS]

Natron is a complete ripoff of Nuke, a Nuke tutorial is basically the same as a Natron tutorial

[@kevinloh8892]

GRILLED CHEESE! Gotta use REAL cheeze, not the fake stuff Blender Bob! lol.

[@BlenderBob]

How dare you...

[@kevinloh8892]

@@BlenderBob HAHAHAHAHA... that processed sliced cheese.. and you are in MONTREAL? BLASPHEMY!

[@BlenderBob]

@@kevinloh8892 But... but... but... Ok Kevin, 10 pushups for you!

[@kevinloh8892]

@@BlenderBob Ok fair enough.. Have some nice Gruyere grilled cheese on brioche, 10 pushups.. can do. =>

[@MondyTS]

I'm just here to say that unfortunately Nuke is the unrivaled king of compositors, there are alternatives but nothing can reach the power or flexibility that Nuke has. I have a master in Nuke and I'm stuck using AE where I work and that makes me real sad lol

[@xanzuls]

Fusion?

[@MondyTS]

@@xanzuls I haven't personally tried it yet but from what I heard is great but it's still not as good as Nuke by a large margin

[@xanzuls]

@@MondyTS Yes but it's also free or 300 when nuke is 10k and 1200 for maintenance and Fusion has a lot of community support like Reactor.

[@realjayjobes1849]

Sorry for yelling it's just my only interest right now (also you can save composites directly without re-rendering you just go to the image viewer and click save image)

[@BeratTurkbkmaz]

Will you show how to made the blender compositor setup also? 6:33

[@george.exe_stopped_working]

@@christophkrass6929 yeah he knows he's saying if blenderbob can recreate this in blender

[@BeratTurkbkmaz]

@@christophkrass6929 I mean blender how to make compositor setup for export to other compositor software

[@christophkrass6929]

Sorry guys, missunderstood the question^^ It's not well formulated at all though....

[@george.exe_stopped_working]

@@christophkrass6929 completley fine, no worries. Anyways, to answer the question. Yes you can deffinetley recreate it in blender. Hell I DID do that for one of my projects. But blenderbob is still right for the exporting part and when it comes to heavy scenes..........It takes a tole.

[@tapioca8728]

My mother's phone take photos in JPG Sad

[@eudesgeoffroy8416]

That's collage.

[@Vassay]

Nuke is the loudest - Foundry makes a point to flaunt it every time they can. Truth be told, companies struggle with it. Clunky interface, geberal instability, lots of bugs, and on top of that a hefty price. But the pipeline is hard to change. People are working now as they worked back in 00s. In Post-Soviet space Fusion is very widespread, tons of companies use it and are quite happy. Lots of movies are made each year using Fusion, but Blackmagic is not advertising it as much as Foundry does. Apart from deep compositing, and a couple of other features, Fusion and Nuke are feature-equal. Though, some people do prefere nuke's scanline rendering way, instead of Fusion's full-frame renders.

[@dyfx9788]

in an advertising environment , i think most people use after effects. Because it has mograph features that nuke and any other software cannot offer.

[@smepable]

The Thing with putting the top Image under the Background Image is this typical illogical way of Blender nonsense. It makes me mad. Is there any Logic to it?

[@BlenderBob]

That’s one thing after effect got right

[@CompositingAcademy]

Hey Blender Bob, if you want some .exr explosions to show multi-pass compositing in a tutorial / example I just released a few for free!

[@BlenderBob]

I will. Be patient my young padawan.

[@darkworx-films]

I like your tutorials but using Nuke has no value except if one is working at a studio or has an non commercial version but then you can't use the much needed plugins at times. I suggest using Fusion, it is also free to use. And since u are blender open source bob using the industry standard Nuke at 6000euro a pop is a bit strange. I like Nuke but I think its price is not justified.

[@BlenderBob]

Blender Bob is about working in the VFX film industry. That’s what differentiate me from so many other Blender channels.