BLIND BALL TEST // The importance of spin on tour

Today, Ian welcomes Johnny Wunder to the bay to do a blind ball test examine the spin characteristics of the ball types. Check it out to see how much of a difference spin has on both 7 iron and Driver strikes.
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[@chadillac1127]

This was a fantastic video! Everyone who wants to do fittings at local golf stores need to watch this video. I went for a new driver last year and the fitter kept getting really focused on lowering my spin rate and had me trying drivers that I felt were outside my wheel house. Yeah I would hit a few bombs, but a majority of the shots weren't hitting the fairway. Long story short I opted for driver I was hitting 10 yards shorter because my dispersion was way tighter compared to the lower spinning heads. Spin is absolutely control.

[@user-ed3td5cn6u]

Wunder is really good for this channel. Really good balance with him and Ian. He needs to be a mainstay

[@davidwinstone2085]

Maybe the best video yet, when it comes to golf equipment these 2 are some of the smartest people on the planet

[@paulbown3960]

Pure class from two classy gentlemen

[@ianfrasergolf]

Cheers Paul!! 👍🏼

[@ahoop24]

Great video. This is what TXG/club champion does the best

[@Scatterpattern]

Would absolutely love to see a comparison of spin rates around the green, and on shots from 50 and in. This is what is really missing out there.

[@tfaudree]

MyGolfSpy tested exactly this in their most recent ball test.

[@Trump2024Kentucky]

Interesting subject and the ball is something amateurs like me should put more weight on. Currently testing out 8 different balls to eventually settle on one for my personal game. I may even choose one for softer course conditions and a different one for harder course conditions. ⛳️

[@LosSaintPatrick]

Great video and interesting topic. The blind test had me on the edge of my seat wondering which one would work best.

[@marshallw4492]

This vid was chocked full of so much info. You guys really excel here.

[@roidAholic]

I've also read somewhere the pros have access to like 17 different versions of the ProV1 .. not something that you can just buy off the shelf.

[@seb1989]

I agree with raising your floor; improving your misses is what this game is about.

[@dsc-nr5zy]

Hah, he has nearly the exact same launch conditions as me. 155 is a comfortable ball speed with driver for a straighter shot, and I hit up quite a bit. I've always smashed the ball well, but spin was something I found I needed because I had so little spin loft with every club. I recently went on a journey to switch from the Z-star to something with a bit more spin. So far the V1x is working well.

[@home4ya]

love these types of convos as I have them in my head constantly ;0)... you nailed me at the end, "Id rather see more fairways then the occasional home run". Crap!!! I hit lots of home runs in baseball so I go for it off the tee, come from inside, hump move, and flip the hands, and when donkeys fly, I hit 300! hahaha. HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ConnorLyon]

Ian, if you can get some of those tour only balls, that would be a super cool video to watch. On paper the Titleist left dot spins low and launches low, but how much lower? Would love to see some stats…. And if you need someone to do the testing give me a call 😅

[@lroberts4162]

Wonderful video. Thank you

[@billg3535]

This was very interesting and educational for me, and I’m one who is probably at a significantly lower level of expertise on this subject. Trottie would have been really an interesting one to have on this discussion I think.

[@kourt2469]

Would love to see a video on how pros take spin off. Are they trying to change their spin loft? Are they intentionally hitting toe side? Take less loft and swing softer? Never really seen a good video on how that's done

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

Great question. For most it’s regulating speed through the shot. Rahm for example swing 1/2, 3/4 etc. Ball position might change to change height but essentially it’s governing the speed through the shot.

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

And yes in some cases taking the longer club and swinging softer

[@johnbrodnik839]

Great informative video! Maybe the best so far. I’ve been playing for 60 years and have always used a spinner ball for control and slightly less distance. Control of the ball is what’s it’s all about. But yiu have to walk that line. Thanks for this great informative video! So, Ian, how about a trip to Bandon?!

[@xavierperez9725]

Great discussion!!

[@roidAholic]

i just ordered two dozen AVX balls as i found a great sale on them. i normally play tp5x as I spin my ball ALOT especially off driver which makes for big miss hits. hopefully the AVX suits me

[@michaelgillies9075]

The AVX is a great ball you’ll enjoy it,I’ve got a swing speed of 105-109 and I like it,I’ve just recently got the Bridgestone tour b x to try and that’s also a good ball

[@michaelgillies9075]

And I also found the tp5x to be too much spinny for my game,if they have a low launch,low spin ball I’d be all over it

[@thatguymark8381]

My golf ball journey has gone TP5, TP5x, B RXS, AVX, Pro V1 ... Played B RXS the most (always found a sale, good price/performance combo). AVX was my least favourite, felt like a heavy rock. Maybe next year will be Z-Star?

[@roidAholic]

tp5x is their low spin. they go a mile but you need to swing pretty hard as they have high compression. i tried z star and wasnt huge fan tbh. maybe i will chinge the bridge stone i never bought any of their balls before @@thatguymark8381

[@ronlangfus4946]

Great informative video, keep it up. Thanks

[@kwalter2323]

Two of those balls the AVX and left dash are both designed to lower spin considerably. The biggest difference on them is the feel one prefers. The left dash is played on all tours where as the avx is not. (To my knowledge)

[@edtoperzer3238]

Need more videos be it club or ball for mid-handicappers!

[@jimmyborzone889]

This was cool! For another video, can we get a comparison between the new Apex UW and the old one?

[@oldgold5848]

I dont think you have hit 2 of these before.......excellent, a 50 yr old penfold ace and a maxfli noodle that has been in a water hazard for 10 years it is then!

[@arbeckWA]

A little bit off topic, but what watch is Ian wearing? It looks like a Grand Seiko, but I can't tell for sure that it is and/or which reference.

[@ryang1910]

Looking for a new ball right now. Tried a bunch. I’m not a guy who creates a lot of spin. Yet right now the two balls I play best with on the course are prov1 and chrome soft

[@timwong2436]

Great video.

[@Omnis2]

One thing anyone new watching this needs to take away: Never form your opinion solely on what people tell you that you need when they're in the business of selling golf equipment.

[@JustusSeiber]

Love Johnny’s different nuggets of info here. Don’t hear a lot of people mention the point of diminishing returns on upward AoA. I notice this too. If I try to hit the ball more on 0* AoA or on a low tee, I get so much more ball speed due to the lessened dynamic loft. Lose a couple yards to the lowered apex height and maybe a touch of spin from the strike being lower in the head, but the ball is so much more manageable. And it’s coming out fast, you can still achieve a lot of rollout

[@roidAholic]

how come no one on tour uses the avx? is it just because it doesnt say prov1

[@rayyou7032]

Pretty much plus they are paid to play it.

[@Supermahon949]

Wait, is that the 2022 Mizuno RB Tour X or the 2023?

[@GoFast865]

Very cool video

[@michaelscarcello5902]

I was suggested Kirkland and vice pro plus by a fitter I used the Kirkland a few rounds and they were incredibly sticky on the greens with irons, but short and unpredictable off the tee, the highest spinner apparently around Do you think the pro plus sacrifices alot of spin compared to the Kirklands? Or do you think they will sit where I need a ball to ( slightly less spinny than Kirkland)

[@kyleleskiw5644]

Z star diamonds might be one to look into. Kirklands are fine for par 3 courses, but they are terrible off the driver. Maxfli tour x is pretty solid as well

[@kwalter2323]

Try pro v1x or zstar diamond.

[@christiaancollarile132]

Would a slicer of the golf ball with driver benefit from a lower spin ball?

[@captainsnake7406]

Srixon Z-Star for me.

[@lawbinson]

What’s the apparatus standing Johnny’s bag up? Is it the Callaway Par 3?

[@tdouglas1234]

If your swing speed is 90-95 MPH would the ball choice be different or would they spin a similar amount? Thanks, Ted

[@stevesandford11]

Hey guys, been watching your videos for a long while now.. wondering if you have recs for fitters/fitting Center in Halifax NS area?? Thanks for the time gents 👍🏼

[@robz1699]

Ian - prove you can say "Purple Burglar Alarm"

[@adamhillian967]

I’m really trying to understand optimal spin numbers in particular with driver. I play a cut off the tee, and when I leave the face open the golf ball obviously has a lot of left to right spin. If I was to play that same shot with an 8 deg head compared to a 9 deg I’m assuming there would be less spin with the 8 deg head. So in this case would the less spin head be more likely to keep the ball in play or would the higher loft of the 9 deg help giving this scenario?

[@InsuranceSpecialist]

Am at the point where I play only 3 kinds of balls, very specific balls. Sadly when I find a chrome soft or Srixon tour or other great ball il give them away to avoid temptation 😢 yes it still hurts

[@CoryLancasterYT]

Was that the previous generation Mizuno ball?

[@legend9018]

Interesting that the high spin ball despite 2mph ball speed and higher smash factor and same launch is still going 2 yards less on the iron shots.

[@MatthewNoga]

Is this the newest model RB Tour X ?

[@rmiller1041]

Came here to ask this. Curious as well.

[@Citizensofthecountry]

What is this location? I know it's no longer TXG but, curious if this another building or just diff camera angles.

[@kwalter2323]

I find the opposite. My left dash curves way less with the irons then when I play prov1x. Once the ball starts curving it really curves with the standard prov1x

[@russianxcoiladventures9477]

100% agree I started using left dash. Longest and straightest I've ever hit. Allways practise will a few different prov's. The 2023 prov1 feels like a lead weight. The 2021 prov1 was a nice ball. But some of the models avx down on distance very hooky. Cannot control distance with irons. I fight the hook with most balls, but hardly miss a fairway with left dash. Took time on the greens with the putter to get used to the harder cover. But now love that too.

[@MarkArnold92660]

What was ball 3?

[@captainsnake7406]

The 2 things used the most in golf gets ignore by amateurs. The ball and putter.

[@lukesommer4291]

Wedges next?!

[@rayyou7032]

I think the mizuno ball was better for him than the pro v 1.

[@jeffe6540]

@johnnywundergolf... what was the 2 driver setups in this vid? Thanks!!

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

TD and Paradym Standard with Ventus TR Blue

[@jeffe6540]

@@johnnywundergolf4156 TD was the one you were leaving out right and not turning over?

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

@@jeffe6540 yes which was the result of a bad hunch I had lol. TD heads usually work the best for me but this set up with the TR was an overly stout shaft (for me) and a head that sat at -1. Sometimes I get ideas and they go wrong lol. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kswas2784]

It's interesting that during all his drives you guys never used a taller tee. He hit every shot too low on the face and couldn't correct his swing to hit it better; a higher tee would have solved that.

[@CoryLancasterYT]

Come on CC media, don't completely neuter what TXG did on their production side! Bring the music back!

[@shawnkinney2392]

Kind of strange that 3 different master fitters at club champion that I have seen said ball selection was not important in the fit 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[@dsc-nr5zy]

I have heard from my local indoor fitter that they prefer to use the titleist rct balls for fitting because the indoor trackman is better at reading their numbers. They don't recommend using anything else in their studio.

[@CamMacMastermusic]

How about for amateur golfers ?? The only ones who actually watch your videos?????????

[@marcuszettergren8885]

Lost count how many times i have seen good strikers at my club hitting 105mph drives that sails 50 yards into the woods using callaway supersoft balls cause they are always on sale. And yet they keep buying high launch low spin gear every year in hunt for those 15 yards.

[@SteveSmith-zz4ih]

i feel like eating marshmallows after looking at those colorful shoes. No its not a fetish!

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

JW is such a likeable dude

[@codyreeder1837]

The only thing I would say is that high spin ball in the wind is getting killed..

[@WILSON-tc4bb]

Johnny has so many things backward it's hilarious. Raise the ceiling? No... Raise the floor! Make your worse ones better. Raising the ceiling is going after the home run/make the best ones better. You could've made this video with any 5 handicapper and it would be an improvement.

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

I actually said raise the floor in the beginning and than made the mistake in the next line. Always trying to raise the floor and yes sometimes in videos you MIs speak. Can’t believe that was your takeaway of this video. Well done for being so specific.

[@Boxlogojosh]

Blowing out other peoples candles doesn’t make your own any brighter

[@FF04RDF]

Great that JW takes the same size shoe as his daughter 😂

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

😂😂😂😂😂 US Open Nikes.

[@hansidelk6604]

Shouldnt this man only try to make the cally balls look the best? haha

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

Now what kind of a true test would that be? Lol. Plenty of non Callaway things to discuss at all times. The whole point is trying to help y’all make sense of this gigantic golf equipment machine.

[@hansidelk6604]

@@johnnywundergolf4156 was just joking and wondering if you "just" work for cally or if you are your own man as well? Love your stuff and I just bought a fulltoe wedge (1st gen) and Im loving it 3 weeks in. 👍

[@TheDukeSilver69]

Miss the intro music :(

[@ianfrasergolf]

We do too!! A ridiculous mistake was made which makes it no longer possible to use our intro music.

[@clinewb]

The ping/ballnamics guys say indoor testing numbers aren't accurate and players see different spin numbers and flight windows outdoors. So why do you take these indoor tests as accurate?

[@nealhorton4550]

I would think it has to do with a controlled environment with as many factors as possible set the same across the length of the test. If this test were done outside, variables like wind gust, temperature, etc. could change over the course of the test. By having a controlled environment the test is as accurate as it can be without using a robot to hit each shot. I do agree that outside testing is more apt to what you would do in a round of golf and should have a deciding factor in what ball you play. I watch this with a grain of salt and get a feel for what I think would work best for my game and then go play a round or two with different balls to see what works best for me in real world conditions

[@kourt2469]

The launch, spin, ball speed are all accurate. The thing launch monitors can't do indoors is simulate aerodynamics so the ball could potentially fly different but those base numbers are reliable. But it's also very hard for someone to find a place outside they can go and test multiple balls and multiple shots.

[@fredster1449]

Don't trust launch monitors tbh as soon as gc quad sees a spin at 1600 or lower you get fake carries!!!!

[@michealnolan]

JW shoes 😂

[@bp4968]

Would have been interesting to add some 50 yard shots to see the different reactions on wedges

[@teerex8488]

JW- FIGJAM

[@johnnywundergolf4156]

Lololololol. Do I give off that vibe? Who knew?!