The Expanse 2x10 REACTION!! "Cascade"

Eric Rick Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 2 episode 10 of The Expanse - Cascade - #TheExpanse
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[@recycler77]

@min 34,21 "You don't poop/shit were you eat..." we'll get back to that Quote later on in the series ;-)

[@MotelsonMars]

So fun to witness Eric slowly warming up to Bobbie. Clinton Shorter's score for the ocean scene really elevates it, one of my favorite moments of the whole series.

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

Ohmahgah! Hiiiiiiiii! I just wanted to say how I miss you and the couple who shall not be named. ❤

[@ProvidenceNL]

It seems Eric was the only one who was really immersed in that scene with Bobby at the ocean.

[@technopirate304]

Truly a beautiful moment on many levels. Bobby is a prodigal child of Earth who finally made it home. Think about this Bobbie is of Samoan heritage and has never seen an actual ocean in her life. If memory serves me right that was the first thing she wanted to sea.

[@MotelsonMars]

@@lynnjohanssen6552 Hiiiii!!!!! I remember you! I miss the Nameless Couple too. Haven't heard from them in a while. No doubt they are outdoors hiking and skiing with their dog and living their best life! :-)

[@ranialian8537]

Bobbie's eye-opening adventure on the streets of Earth, Amos beating up a guy with a can of chicken and Alex killing time on the Roci. Oh, I've been waiting for this episode, here we go! 😍

[@nealnachman4216]

That scene in the books is really good. Albeit a bit different. She realized that no matter how well Martian Marines trained they wouldn't even stand a chance if they invaded earth

[@VenoRPG]

I love the emphasis on the ocean. Water really is the source of life. And we all flock to it.

[@technopirate304]

Especially if you are descended from people who came from the Pacific. This was a pilgrimage for her.

[@nickdouglas736]

@@technopirate304 Is that actually canon or just sth you came up with

[@technopirate304]

@@nickdouglas736 The part about the character and the actress being Samoan (i.e. Pacific Islander) is canon and real world fact. The pilgrimage is purely a speculation on my part due to the character’s insistence on wanting to see an ocean. It could simply be general Martian curiosity. But I think it is more than that and it’s cultural.

[@nickdouglas736]

@@technopirate304 Idk about the pilgrimage thing it just seems out of character for Series Bobby ( haven't read the books yet) like she doesn't seem that emotional and the cutural background of her family isn't mentioned at all. The significance of the ocean is mentioned by other martians in the show so I'd assume it's more of a martian cultural thing (as in they can build domes and 'make' the skye and plants. probably lakes and all but despite all their efforts having an ocean on mars is still impossible and will be for generations, also it being the cradle of life an all.) than Bobbies personal journey but idk.

[@technopirate304]

@@nickdouglas736 That’s fine. Her Samoan background is brought up in the books

[@ranialian8537]

20:50 That. Mao needs a patron. He first reaches out to an Earther official, Errinwright. When he realizes that Chrisjen is on to them, they fall out. He tells Errinwright that he will be forced to pursue other options. After the Eros incident, Mao becomes a wanted man on Earth which greatly diminishes those options. Midway through the peace-talks on Earth, Bobbie lets it slip that the marines on Ganymede were killed by a man that wasn't wearing a vac suit, which Mars then tries to supress. "Sergeant, do as you were instructed". 1 man without a vac-suit annihilating a bunch of marines = weaponized protomolecule. That's when Errinwright suspects that Mars might be using peace as a distraction and that Mao must have reached out to them.

[@thontor]

Rick, it's not that complicated. Mao is doing stuff with the protomolecule and was backed by Errinwright. Because of that Errinwright knew about Project Caliban. Mao and Errinwright broke up so Mao went to find a new backer and Mars was more than willing to back him for access to this new weapon. Errinwright deduced through what Bobbie said that what she was talking about was Project Caliban which he already knew about since he used to work with Mao. With the realization that Mars had to have also known and therefore Mars was now backing Mao and this new weapon he felt the need to come clean to Avasarala.

[@marcc1830]

Errinwright pretty much funded the development of Project Caliban but by the time he can deliver a prototype, he had a falling out with Mao. And somehow a Martian marine describe encountering a prototype on Ganymede. Not too hard for Errinwright to put 2 and 2 together.

[@sparrowlt]

Mao was allready in contact with someone in MCR military before falling out with Errinwright .. he basically was securing funding and support for his research ..if one side failed him he would had the other.. if no one failed him he would go with whoever would be more convenient.. if there would be someone in the Belt able to afford/support him he probably would had gone with a third option too..

[@Adobomonster]

Errinwright knows all of Mao's projects because he was his patron before the Eros incident. Remember that Mao and Errinwright had a falling out after. Once he realises that these projects are being tested without his knowledge, then it must only mean one thing - that Mao has a new patron. Someone who wants the Ganymede incident (protomolecule weapons test) to be swept under the rug, so much so that they're willing to accept responsibility and pay for the damages.

[@Yesquire0]

Mao could give a flying fuck about having a "patron". Mao has been trying to start a war between Earth and Mars since s1.e1 so he can sell his alien tech to the highest bidder. He's had ties to people inside both governments all along so they could submit their bids to him. Errinwright's second or two of shock at hearing Roberta's testimony is his reaction to hearing evidence that might cause someone to look more closely at the weapon test. It was videotaped by drones, and I'm sure Errinwright viewed a copy of it. Earth's official policy was peace, not war, and Errinwright's support for conquest of Mars would have been considered treason.

[@timezone5259]

It was the purple heart that Bobby used to cut the glass

[@garethneller8239]

I love that! Mars gave it to her purely to try to control her, and she used it to escape

[@artboymoy]

Bobbie has such a great arc. Actually all of the characters do, it's just so amazing to have all this happening in one show.

[@eringriffin8813]

Not a book reader, but wanted to point out Caliban is the name of a character in Shakespeare's play The Tempest. He was a disfigured "savage" who was enslaved to do menial tasks for the magician. I have to think this is a reference to that.

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

Wow! Good catch.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

Ha, beat me to it ^^

[@scaryghost5721]

Heart of the Tempest a protomolecule spaceship created by Rogue Martian will show up in Season 6 of the Expanse. The ship Heart of the Tempest is built at the massive ancient shipyards in orbit around the planet Laconia, the Tempest was one of three total Magnetar-class vessels in service. The Tempest utilized numerous technologies acquired from the long-dead protomolecule creators, including a powerful magnetic beam cannon and a self-repairing hull. We got to see this ancient shipyard in the ending of The Expanse Season 5. Laconia is a planet in the system with the same name. Following the reactivation of the Ring network, the planet was settled by a rogue element of the Martian Congressional Republic Navy, effectively establishing a functioning government the Laconian Empire in the absence of direction from any human power. Sorry for my bad english

[@sgbench]

@@scaryghost5721 Bruh, give us a spoiler warning for God's sake

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

I thought Caliban was a semi-human being, some interpret it apeman-like, some more amphibian.

[@emilyyyyyy123]

Love Calvin’s N7 jacket

[@LuttiApce]

Me too!! Amazing.

[@Mach1Greeble]

Here we go. All gas, no brakes.

[@DrKartoffelsalat]

I'm Commander Shepard, and Calvin wears my favorite hoodie on the Blindwave channel. I should go.

[@collecter343]

Never thought about the "Simple Complex System" situation like the opposite of "Life finds a way" but it fits strangely well. On Earth there's enough "life" for something unexpected to occur to combat a life challenge (e.x. inability to procreate) while out in space there's not enough "life" to deal with a life challenge (e.x. key part of ecosystem fails).

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

It's like it's a very complex system but because it's only one each subsystem only has so many paths to choose from so if a high-priority one is compensating long enough low-priority ones start to deteriorate to the point that even removing what taxed the whole system it's too late, more and more subsystems will simply fail.

[@LeeCarlson]

In the books, we are told that Gunny Draper is of Maori descent (hence her build/strength) and as a Martian Marine is used to training at Earth-normal gravity.

[@sparrowlt]

this... Bobie has no problems handling the 1G .. its being in an open space in the open air what fucks their brains acostumed to being allways inside some building, base, station or ship.. just like certain belter will show us later on

[@GalacticMilkfoam]

That's why Frankie Adams is such a natural fit for the role.

[@doctor8342]

Bobbie in the books is 6'7" and 220lbs ("a little over 2 meters tall and a muscular 100 kilos") so she could have handled that jump.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Mao was working on the same project for both sides without either side knowing. Errinwright was visibly startled when Bobbie mentioned the man without a vac suit because he already knew about the "Caliban Project" that Mao had been developing for Earth. But he suddenly realized in that moment that Mao had been working on the same thing for Mars. It might have begun when Mao threatened to find another patron, or Mao may have been working both sides all along. But he also realized in that moment that Mao was at the point of actually receiving a working copy of the Caliban project. Ultimately, Errinwright is "Earth First," so he was forced to confide in Avasarala so that they could find a way to stop the Martian salient. There is no reason Mars would cover up a superweapon that wasn't theirs. They would presume it had been an Earth test and be protesting the Ganymede incident as an attack, not covering it up and accepting fault. "All" of the Martian government is not aware of the Caliban Project, any more than "all" of the US government was aware of the Manhattan Project. But the Manhattan Project was a "US government" project, just as Caliban is a "Martian government" project. If the Martian officials really had no clue about it, her superiors would have intensely interrogated Bobbie about exactly what wiped out both a UN Marine squad and a top-notch Martian Marine squad. What we saw, however, was that every time Bobbie began to talk about a "thing," her own superiors cut her off. Food produced by Ganymede was primarily for Belters. Belters are the primary group that will suffer from the loss of Ganymede. You don't see either Mars or Earth shedding any tears over it.

[@axlm.808]

A closed station works like an aquarium The purification system is relativelly simple but its setting must be precisely done If not, you can have a subtle change in the water PH level, which would cause algae to grow, those algae would jam the filters then the pump and so on And when you have reach the point of no return (the cascade) you can't do anything to fix it. All you can do is pick the fishj up, emptying the tank and restart from scratch Except, with a station on a planet/moon without breathable atmosphere, you can't take the people out that easy

[@Rakushi_Snea]

👆🏾👆🏾 Was literally just about to comment and use this analogy! Finding Nemo's middle climax was a beautiful example of this.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

@@Rakushi_Snea Where's AquaScum when you need 'em?

[@quirkygeekgirl]

I love the analogies the authors created with the titles of the books. Book 2 is Caliban's War and Caliban is a character from The Tempest by Shakespeare.

[@HaaruteLIVE]

"It comes back with the Amish" help

[@thomashiggins9320]

Aaron (sp?) has figured out the key to the show, really. The people to root for, in this series, are those able to look past the perceptions of others -- the stereotypes and the bigotry -- taught to them, and see other people as the complex, varied individuals, no matter where they're from. That individuality, that lack of desire to conform to others simplistic perceptions of us, is a fundamental part of our humanity, regardless of where we're from. All science fiction comments on the events of the day, and those made by The Expanse have particular relevance, because the authors wrote all the books in the past decade. That willingness to hold a mirror up to reality, and a take frank look at how technology could make our world better or worse, is what makes science fiction an inherently subversive form of literature. :) As for Project Caliban, the name of the second book in the series is, Caliban's War. Caliban is the half-human monster under the control of the exiled mage, Prospero, in William Shakespeare's, The Tempest. So, we had Cervantes, last season, and now Shakespeare, in this one. Oh, and how do you think the OPA found out about what went on, at Phoebe? ProtoGen is a subsidiary of Mao's main company, working with Mars on that moon's research station. It was *Julie* who found out something big had happened there, but didn't know what. Julie took the information to Anderson Dawes, and he authorized what everybody expected would be a routine pirate raid on a cargo vessel full of scientists and regular spacers. Unfortunately, what they thought would be a standard cargo spacecraft turned out to be the Anubis, manned by a bunch of Mao's hired guns who'd had their empathy magnetically removed. A lot of your questions about Errinwright, and what he knew, will get answered in the next couple of episodes. Just remember, Jules-PIerre Mao has the same loyalty to any one "side" as any other weapons dealer. :) Earth doesn't need to grow food to feed its people, and Mars probably is agriculturally self-sufficient, also. Most of the food on Ganymede is grown to feed Belters and the Earthers and Martians who work in space, and it's grown by Belters. However, the facilities are owned by Earth and Mars corporations, and not by the Belters who grow the food and buy it.

[@emwungarand]

Phoebe was a joint research facility. The MCR administered it, and Earth's interests were represented by Earth Corp Protogen.

[@Smileydood1923]

SEASON 3 HYPE!!!!!!!!

[@LeeCarlson]

Mars' Mariner valley was colonized by people from South India and from Texas (two populations used to lower humidities) which produces some interesting cross-cultural idioms, like Alex Kamal.

[@LeeCarlson]

Jules-Pierre Mao is doing weapons research and planning to sell it to both Earth and Mars. Gee, like present-day gun-runners.

[@sparrowlt]

You would be surprised at the percent of humankind that even today has never seen an ocean with their own eyes

[@Nemo66Quixote]

Is there a major temperature gradient in that room? You guys up front in t-shirts, the guys in the back bundled up, lol.

[@ferretsnot]

The guys up front have natural padding and the guys in the back are thin like ferrets lol

[@BhlackBishop]

extroverts vs introverts

[@XMachete]

Here is my interpretation: Mao is a weapons contractor. And he works with both Earth and Mars on various contracts. The PM, when his people discovered it on Phoebe station (which I think was a Mao controlled research outpost), Mao struck a deal with Errinwright for funding of his research into the PM as weapons potential. Errinwright definitely knew about the plans for Eros despite his protestations, and clearly had some knowledge of the Caliban project. That project had yielded a promising hybrid that is multi-phased. Errinwright wasn’t willing to deal with his Avasarala problem so Mao then took the Caliban project to Mars, who wanted a demo of it against UN troops and against Martian Marines. My guess is they didn’t expect their marines to get wiped out.

[@emmanuelbaj3944]

Remember the cant.

[@thedrudgetick]

Beltalowda

[@LordTelperion]

8:28 Checking the teeth of your horse (or any animal) will give you a general inkling to its age and health. Looking a "gift horse in the mouth" is akin to looking up the price of the gift received, which is of course an insult to the gift giver, because you're not accepting the gift honestly/freely, but expecting/judging it to be of a certain quality. i.e. don't be ungrateful for free stuff. ;)

[@colem6913]

Jesus christ Rick learn to accept when you're wrong

[@rmvdhaak]

Exactly.

[@LightShadowOnyx]

this episode made me like bobby as a character her first episode didn't really like her but the more I saw the episodes with her in it the more I started to like her and this episode made me a fan

[@zammmerjammer]

I thought we might get a discussion about the idea of an artificial ecosystem, or Holden seeming to lose his moral compass, or the hint we got of Amos' upbringing and worldview. That's what I found fascinating about this episode. ...but ...I guess not.

[@MS_25826]

Same. I understand that the protomolecule aspect of the show is fascinating, but i'm curious about their views on the characters and their journeys. Hopefully they will talk about it more in the future.

[@belinda35_77]

Well they are 2 seasons in and still don't understand the Mao/ Errinwright relationship or Mao/ Mars relationship, so if they still don't get, I doubt they ever will. It's hard to talk about character development when they still don't understand what's going on with them. I think they are blinded by the proto stuff and have yet to understand the show is actually about the characters, and they are missing important character development because they're so focused on that.

[@ksbsnowowl3569]

Just makes you appreciate Daniela AM more, doesn’t it? But yeah, Belinda is right. They are being blinded by the PM, and missing/not appreciating the character development.

[@marcc1830]

No one purposely changed anything with the environment in Ganymede, be it the water or good bacteria. The moon's natural state was barren and does not support life. The "change" was years ago when they built a space station there. And as a man made system, it lack the complexity of nature. Once you have a large enough disasters it will break enough things that failure cascades and kill you. Another instance this show made me appreciate what we got on earth.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

You mean intentionally, "purpose" is a myth, it never exists outside the imagination.

[@damonbrown5424]

Phoebe was a joint Earth/Mars facility. Mao was originally just working with Errinwright/Earth as far as has been shown. There is no evidence that Mao was also working with Mars until after the whole Eros fiasco.

[@christopherplummer1299]

Looking a horse in the mouth is a way to tell the health and age of a horse by it's teeth. Hence, don't look too close at a free gift and you won't be disappointed by the true value of it.

[@donlim9247]

You can get the guys in the back better in focus if you raise the f-stop on the camera. But will also have to raise the ISO to compensate for the light loss.

[@biocapsule7311]

To put it simply: *Protogen* is the primary company that Mars approach when Protomolecule on Phoebe. From that point on, tracking who has what is pointless. *Because as the 'project' grew, it starts to involve a wide range on subsidiaries, sub-agencies, contractors, from Earth, Mars and anyone with power in the system.* And betrayal started happening all over the place. When Protogen fell, everyone with their own part of the pie no matter big or small, went their own separate way with their own parts. Somewhere down the line there are groups that come together to share/betrayal their parts. etc. There are way too many sub-groups. Think in terms of Table-top RPG, it's up to the GM to make up whatever group they want. *Saying Earth or Mars is involve is like saying someone in a particular government is involve. It's too large a scope to cover.*

[@scottwatrous]

Don't shit where you eat... 🤣

[@yoniporat1249]

You guys should watch invincible! Its insanely good (a new show)

[@oshohii]

i would say moa would have fed both earth and mars info as like a salesman and so erinwright probably had that from the beginning and then mao bolted. i believe erinwright pulled it out what he had for a while now and showed what he had to christine

[@sgecko7]

34:24 well, "someone" certainly doesnt hehe

[@franciscooctavius5957]

That chaplain dude (“stand down whoever the fuck you are”) is so effing annoying. Kick ass Bobbie! Love any scene with Kotyar!! Awesome character.

[@johnmiller7682]

I don't want to spoil things for you, but you're missing the big picture. Is it Mars? Is it Earth? Whose doing all this? And then you keep overlooking the obvious. Who's in the middle? Who's playing both sides? And the number one question, who stands to profit?

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

That doesn't really help in this situation, with a "commodity" so mysterious.

[@EnergySurge]

I think the horizon issue for Martians on Earth has less to do with them living inside domes, and more to do with the difference in the planets. Martians go outside the domes in vac suits. They need to build more infrastructure if they want to grow and eventually terraform the planet. And as we saw with Bobbie's squad, vac suit training exercises take place for military personnel. Being in a suit isn't going to change the way you see the horizon. And even the people inside of buildings are going to look out of windows and see the horizon. The real problem for Martians is Earth is a much larger planet than Mars, the surface is going to curve away much more gradually, making the horizon appear further away. On Earth, if you are 5 ft. 7 in. tall, standing at sea level looking out across the water, the horizon is about 4.7 km away. Someone of the same height standing on a mostly flat portion of the Martian surface is going to see the horizon at about 3.4 km away. If you spend your entire life only ever seeing the Martian horizon, Earth's horizon being that much farther away is probably going to disorient you a bit. Combine it with the higher gravity that your body is not used to and you can see why the Martians feel sick on Earth. Though I would expect the personnel that live and work in space shouldn't suffer from it as much.

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

9:39 Did Aaron really just ask if Hank Williams is Martian music?🤦🏻‍♂I’m certainly not a big fan of country music(especially modern country music), but regardless of how much you’re like a specific genre… you gotta be aware of the classics brother. It makes you look good and it can definitely come in handy in certain situations.

[@Jwine3257]

I wonder what episode # it will be when you realize you need to put all other content on hold and binge through this fantastic series...

[@zooweemama2405]

Hey guys you should totally watch sicario 1 and 2

[@mupsoftaren]

I guess it's just poetic that Shane, who sometimes was a bit slow, was replaced by someone who's sometimes a bit slow.

[@keagangreer6398]

Day 2 of telling Eric he looks nice today.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Of note; the seawall was to combat sea levels rising due to climate change.

[@hazri8758]

If I'm not mistaken, the Martian soldiers are used to Earth's gravity because they are trained in Earth-like environment.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Their Marines train on ships with 1G acceleration, yes, so Bobbie has no problem standing upright on Earth.

[@hazri8758]

@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps yeah. The crew seemed to have forgot that.

[@davidedwards1705]

"Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." Back in the Western days gifting a Horse was a big big deal. Worth a lot of money. Looking on in the mouth you would check their Teeth and roof of mouth to find if they are worth the sell. You would do that if you was Buying one. But a Gift. If you looked in it's mouth would be a huge insult to the one gifting it to you and just might either get the horse taken back or get you Shot. Thus... "Do. Not. Look. A. Gift. Horse. In. The. Mouth."

[@EvilAnomaly]

Too bad the scene of Bobbie seeing the ocean was cut short and with poor jokes, it was such a powerful scene out of anything else for this episode!