Blizzard Didn't Finish The Job.

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[@KnightOwlSC]

SUPER shady advertisement.. what you described has nothing to do with back end development. Disappointment level is high.

[@kamghostseer]

1) The press kit originally said Stills, and the images themselves are still labeled as such. 2) If you want to talk to the CSW team reach out!

[@loofers]

Blizzard doesn't have coders anymore only 20 managers looking over the shoulder of one ukranian intern doing mobile phone style art

[@gzdiggadanke]

@@loofers why is that?

[@endersblade]

@@gzdiggadanke Welcome to Blizzard. New here?

[@DavidSmith-cr7mb]

all game companies are here. here, as in: "we have, in order to cut costs, fired everyone except for the executives, which account for 80% of the budget"

[@dvened]

@@DavidSmith-cr7mb time for a round of bonuses

[@Brogus_D]

@@loofers daaaang

[@fabucla]

As someone who completely lost trust in Blizzard when WC3 Reforged came out and actually refunded the game, i thank you for keeping us informed about this iteration of "the fall of Blizzard".

[@arokan327]

To this day, I mourn the 60 bucks. I thought, they might improve it over time; maybe it was rushed... Didn't think about returning it and re-buying it later if this assumptions proved to be true, which we now know never did.

[@jimmangz]

The fall of blizzard has been happening for over a decade. It needs a new name.

[@oneoranota]

I suggest "The Burning Disarray", because at this point it is mostly a pile of ruin that keeps on crumbling.

[@Ishtar_Sothice]

@@jimmangz The Fall of blizzard : Reforged

[@justinharvey8818]

What? Blizzard didnt finish their work? Thats crazzy and completely new

[@monody]

Some people say sarcasm is hard to perceive in written form. Clearly, there are some exceptions.

[@TerrennonPriv]

Warcraft RTS Team = 3 people. Three. I know it was low, but not that low.

[@timmygilbert4102]

Innovations in new lows 😂

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Explains everything

[@Zuginator]

Yeah, I used to work for a company and the owners were serial CEOs. Every summer they'd hire a bunch of, what I assume are unpaid, interns and just have them shit out a product concept. I'm almost surprised blizzard doesn't have like "Team Intern" too. I always remember this because one year one of the CEOs wives shut down the project, because he was making Yelp but for rating women. It says everything that it took a woman to go. Hey, that's a terrible idea, and will make us look bad. Because he saw no issue.

[@MoonLitChild]

@@Zuginator So he was trying to be what Mark Zuckerberg/ the Zuck-bot meant Facebook to be? You gotta give 'em props for audacity, either way....

[@necishax610]

I'm not paying a huge company like blizzard 40 euros for a game where there tag line seems to be. "We made something that isn't completely trash". There are indy games out there that deserve my money so much more.

[@InsaneMonkeyBrain]

Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

[@Zuginator]

I even argue that willful stupidity IS malice.

[@crypto66]

@@Zuginator I call that "malicious incompetence;" past a certain point, incompetence becomes a choice and you're forcing the consequences on the consumer.

[@seppyseppi6889]

It doesn't matter if it was done with Malice or with Stupidity, I won't reward either with a purchase. Just another thing for me to remember whenever they advertise a new product.

[@brianwelch1579]

Corpos are so good at making such convenient "mistakes" we see this every day now. Blizzard are just one among many devs and pubs that won't get my money again.

[@Riverfall_]

I used to play Warcraft3 a lot. It was actually one of the first games my brother installed when we got our first PC. Over the years, I would came back often to at least play custom games. But I never touched the game again after Reforged came out. As for Blizzard. In the past I played all of their games and sunk lots of time into WoW as well. It was quite a painful journey to see Blizzard transform into what it is today. But it's been many years since Blizzard became a joke, so I'm not surprises. I don't remember the last time I heard any good news that included Blizzard and I haven't touched any of their games. The last time I played. I guess it was 4 month of playing when wow classic came out but not since then.

[@TheLuceon]

Part of my problem is ... I really don't want to give that company my money. Maybe there is some day a game will come out to change my stance but these aren't it.

[@brianwelch1579]

Good games can't make up for atrocities.

[@vhyles]

The last 2 Blizzard hits were Overwatch (OW1 ofc, not the monetization overhaul patch called OW2), and D2R. Other than that it's been a pretty shitty company since Activision bought them.

[@meataxenarll]

Are we really surprised by Blizzard/Activisions bullfuckery at this point? 🙄

[@Caderynwolf]

The problem with the "never attribute to malice what could be explained by incompetence", is that ActivisionBlizzard has been doing this so often to for so long now, that it can only be contributed to being deliberate and cynical.

[@Zuginator]

Yeah, willful stupidity IS malice.

[@PinkMawile]

Malicious Incompetence

[@fitz394]

I am still amazed people trust Blizzard this many times in a row lol

[@Rellikan]

"Why are you so negative? Such a downer. It's just video games!"

[@RobertStoll]

Ai upscaling is letting a braindead coworker do the art before the actual art team has to play copy editor. If you never planned to put the effort in in the first place, all it does is overwork the people who could have probably done it right the first go.

[@TheRogueWolf]

But using AI upscaling did great for the _GTA Definitive Edition!_ ...wait, hang on....

[@qhu3878]

​@@TheRogueWolf and the battlefront classic collection!

[@Jonchua1]

Giving blizzard benefit of the doubt is actually wild.

[@brain_segfault]

Guy complains about misleading marketing material, but then runs an ad that nonchalantly talks about 100K developer salaries as if that's what people could expect from using a gamified learning website light years behind the skills you actually need.

[@ConradeVII]

@@brain_segfault it's not malicious, it's stupidity

[@z0mbyz624]

Fair point, although bro needs to live

[@mate8115]

@@z0mbyz624 i don't think the dude is starving if he doesn't sell out this blatantly, stop defending spineless behaviour

[@Tokyodb]

Actually surprisingly easy to hit $100k within a year or two. Takes 3 things: 1, live in a major city (one that people in other countries would’ve heard of - NYC, LA, Chicago, SF, Boston, DC). 2, be the type of person who’s capable of advocating for yourself. 3, recognize that you have to continuously work on your skills (until you retire). Most people won’t do any (not shaming) so they don’t get far… but the average level of “skill” in the industry is bewilderingly low, and most people won’t make any personal sacrifices until/unless they’ve been paid for it.

[@LookingForIt-bw8ur]

@@Tokyodb lol very few people in dev, especially web dev make $100K, especially now the market is saturated with juniors that only need to know how to set up a render server and make two react apps. You want to make 100K? You have to learn data structures and actual computer science and then apply for FANG for a position 1000 other people are going for.

[@L3monsta]

it's also worth mentioning the Azeroth Reborn campaign on sc2 which allows you to play the entirety of the WC3 campaign in sc2 for free and it is so much better quality than reforged since the SC2 engine is just that much better than WC3's

[@shadowninja6689]

I got so fed up with all the bugs in the latest Warcraft 3 patch (including characters who simply aren't there anymore in cut scenes, and items like claw of attack +6 still being broken) that I found a download for the last Warcraft 3 patch before Refunded butchered it, entered my license key to play it, and it's just SO much better then Refunded.

[@s7r49]

holy moly its already been 6 years

[@Ob_GynKenobi]

How the hell has it been 5 years already. I swear this came out like 1.5 years ago. Time is a son of a bitch.....

[@monody]

If Blizz hadn't ruined their custom map modding community, Reforged could have made them a ton of money.

[@SilverRingss]

If you still expect anything out of Blizzard at this point, it’s your own fault.

[@Amplifymagic]

It's better, but it's still incomplete which will leave a bad taste in your mouth. If you need a deep dive Grubby goes into great detail.

[@roetheboat1]

It probably wouldn't sting as badly if Blizzard hadn't completely replaced/removed the original game.

[@Mattznick]

@@roetheboat1 100% This

[@Ozzianman]

The great thing about my PC is that it has a DVD drive thats sat in it since I originally built it in 2015. Besides keeping a backup of the game files, I can just pop the disc into my PC if I for some reason need to. WC3 Reforged is complete and utterly irrelevant to me.

[@jmjedi923]

Hasnt it been like 4 years since reforged came out? Little late doncha think?

[@kaikash]

100%. It's unfortunate.

[@alaron5698]

Better late than never, I suppose...

[@project_swift]

Blizzard do work VERY slowly on their updates...

[@VioletElite4]

I may have used a third party key, but I did manage to get the original Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne so I can at least play the campaigns like they were originally developed. I may not play WoW but it's interesting to look back on how we were all interested in an mmo version of an rts style game based on the lore and characters.

[@FratinandMadrik]

I think it's funny how one of the reasons given is that Blizzard isn't "willing to invest in a big enough in-house RTS team" when that's literally the first team they had - and it was one of the best in-house RTS teams in the world. Team 1 was the RTS team. They made Warcraft, they made Starcraft. But the team was gutted, and people were fired or relocated to other projects. That's one of the reasons we now have Stormgate: Acti-Blizz didn't want to "waste" time on RTS games since they're not as profitable. I dunno, it's just funny that they pissed away so much talent only to outsource like crazy to make up for their own screw-up.

[@TheDrKlaus]

3:57 The problem i have here is yes, they called the group of images "Gameplay concepts", but the files themselves are called "Gameplay Stills". That implies to customers they are direct screenshots taken from the game. I cant say if thats an error from the marketing team, but intent is an important consideration for me. The industry standard with larger studios of late has been to mislead or outright lie to customers and given the release state of WC3 Reforged, its highly unlikely in my mind that the marketing team would make a mistake like that and not move to fix it ASAP

[@zapspeed]

They could have at least allowed people to still buy/play the original version of the game instead of "upgrading" everyone to the unfinished remake. Microsoft are still selling Age of Empires II on Steam despite the Definitive Edition being sold, they're even asking for less money for it.

[@chrishaugh1655]

Maybe the problem is our expectations. We are after all, expecting a different outcome despite the evidence of the last decade.

[@phaneros]

As an sc2 modder beginning to tinker with wc3 modding, this also failed to mention how reforged and the 2.0 update also shafted custom maps. The map editor has been accruing bugs and issues since reforged with every version that aren't getting fixed. If you have multiple pre-reforged versions of the game on your system, opening the reforged editor sets a registry key that causes older versions of the editor to crash on startup. 2.0 added a new data field to game objects, potentially leading to issues with older maps not working properly. One of the first things I did when starting on my project was pinning down the version I'd work with, and I picked 1.30 (context: Reforged was 1.32~1.36, latest update 2.0). If there is one thing I wish blizzard would do, is provide legal avenues for people to purchase classic keys so they can download an older version of the game. It's still possible to legally download, you just have to provide your own CD key to activate and I'm not sure where I can tell people to acquire that legally when I deploy my project. And I really don't want to put up with updating and maintaining my project for the rollercoaster of reforged updates and breakages.

[@sanguinus]

Yeah... there's no chance they "accidentally" promoted the game using faked screenshots.

[@alaeriia01]

At this point, there are exactly two studios I trust enough to buy their games sight unseen: Wube Software and Hello Games.

[@falcor2325]

its not that they didnt finish the job. They actually broke it and made it worse.

[@gregorysmith9114]

NO, they didn't finish The Job since it is still technically playable. The Job will be over when the game is truly and completely dead

[@TheRadude]

I am waiting for an update to the Chronicles of the Second War mod as well as that teams next project release.

[@Skelegoblin]

So frustrating to be saying these things since the announcement trailer and being told "not to worry about it"

[@theotherjared9824]

What sucks is that the modding community is miniscule because Blizzard now owns all of it per their EULA. They can't even pull a Bethesda and let fans finish the game for them.

[@korn7809]

Warcraft 3 Reforged will forever be dead to me until they stop claiming ownership over all custom maps.

[@Shadowcam00]

They're dead set on claiming anything that could hypothetically become popular like DOTA did.

[@ivenstorm]

If they still have that silly agreement where "We own your custom maps", removing that might bring some people back.

[@NekoDavid]

If anyone buys any blizzard products after WC3 Reforged, you get what you get and don't act surprised. We know well that they bait and switch

[@GAG091186]

In the 2.0 update Blizzard updated the environment art of Reforged (which in itself is a good thing), so I'm a bit optimistic that maybe some Microsoft money could enable Blizzard to continue improving the rest of the Reforged models (read replace those models) over time. Microsoft have shown a lot of love to the RTS genre in general when it comes to the Age of Empires series; maybe some of those development teams later on can assist with Warcraft 3 Reforged? My gut feeling tells me that the work of Warcraft 3 Reforged is far from done, that the 2.0 update was released now in its current state because of a deadline for the Warcraft 30th anniversary event. Like the 2.0 update is a foundation of whats to come. The community have provided a lot of feedback of what works & doesn't work in terms of new art. A half-baked Warcraft 3 Reforged taints the Warcraft IP in general as WoW still is active & generates profits, so it might be of Blizzard's interest (at least under Microsoft's umbrella) to eventually get Warcraft 3 Reforged in a state that the community would proudly accept & recommend.

[@Aryathehunter]

I just think it's funny that companies like Ubisoft, Sony, and BioWare can shit out horrible products and take multi-million dollar hits and keep trucking, but Blizzard can't just take a hit to make a good HD remake? Make it make sense..

[@saschaberger3212]

My WC3 never updated. It's like it is supposed to be in all its glory.

[@Bitshift1125]

This leaves out some important details about new bugs that make the game utterly unplayable for a lot of people. Reforged already had a lot of these that were never fixed, and 2.0 came out and added way more of these. For example, older maps and custom games simply do not load models at all. No unit selection, no hitboxes, no gameplay. They are just utterly broken, and no fixes exist in the settings menus.

[@zerillisguren7720]

Oh jeez, current day blizz didn't finish the job again....what else is new?

[@raidebaron2]

You’re right… they hare nowhere near done.

[@Icehawk55082]

Woo, I guessed how many people were on the RTS team correctly! That's...sad.

[@vovapsix]

There are free mods for WC3 that fully remake WC2, that actually look like these screenshots. Also mods that Re-Reforge WC3...

[@kaleiohulee6693]

Bottom line with Blizzard... lower your expectations.

[@notbobsaget5192]

Hits so damn hard for me. I still play reforged almost every single day. I have played WC3 almost every day for 22 years.I don't play the RTS side of WC3 it is 99% Custom games. ALL Blizz had to do with reforged was update the graphics, not touch the story line, Add some modern features to multiplayer, and release a full Dev pack for custom games. Multiple games like DOTA and Legion TD where berthed from WC3 Custom games and grew into stand alone games, DOTA growing to be a full blown universe. There is so much damn potential that was robbed from this game, replaced with a shitty version of the storyline.

[@Alpha17x]

The remaster of Orcs and Humans actually had a lot of it's charm removed

[@Thescott16]

Honest mistake doesn't change being guilty of false advertising (which is *illegal,* btw).... It just might reduce the severity of the sentencing.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

I picked up Reforged over a year ago when it was on sale super cheap. I don't remember the exact price but it was under $10. The update isn't as much of an improvement as what's needed, but it's something I guess, considering everyone thought it was abandoned.

[@cryam6428]

Glad I didn't let nostalgia take advantage of me and swipe card right away.

[@AggyLovesGames]

Everyone who owns sc2 should just go play the wc3 remake being made in that engine. Free to play

[@slash219]

Imo what killed reforge as a whole was the fact that Blizzard announced the your mod belongs to us thingy

[@Blazieth]

Sidenote: One of the tweets complaining about AI-upscaling. Important thing to take note of: Warcraft 1 and 2 specifically cite updated, hand-painted artwork. Warcraft 3 does not. Warcraft 3 simply says the old assets were up-rezzed to HD.

[@Efore]

Not sure if leaving the sponsor in the "False Advertising" section is the best move :D

[@emptyforrest]

custom games are now broken and inviting my friends to an already started lobby isnt easily done anymore... what the hell are they doing? it just keeps getting worse.

[@merkuree]

Can you imagine if Blizzard put the same effort into making an actually good game as they do into pretending they're making one?

[@bloddybow]

Lmao I bought all 3 remasters and all three of them CTD with no errors. Awesome.

[@alternate3787]

You know full well that the 90$ mount probably generated more cash and manager coke parties than all the Warcraft game up to WoW Vanilla

[@Motonari11]

Yeah I do not give Blizzard the benefit of doubt...

[@ClaudeTheRed]

The problem of doing mods for W3 is that as far as I understand Blizzards current policy, anything they make kinda belongs to blizzard.

[@GraveUypo]

my peg-legged friend brought me a copy on the low. i haven't tested it, but it has been shipped and arrived safely through the seven seas. that's all i can do for blizzard.

[@kaliek5281]

At this state...Im just glad its in the state it is. I accept itll never be what was promised. It feels more like a traditional remaster now, rather than the kinda re-envision that they promised though. Still no redone cinematics, no redone in-mission scenes, and no way to turn off the ReForged versions of maps. Which, while there are only like 4 of...they are inferior to the original versions for the most part.

[@djdomain]

"Guys, we've released a 2.0 version of reforged!" "Okay cool, so did you finally get around to making those detailed in-game cutscenes like you put in the promotional trailer but weren't in the release?" "Nah, we just updated some textures. Hey why are you walking away without buying it?"

[@dandan_carlos2782]

For some reason the battle chest is not available here in Brazil yet.

[@lofasz3328]

Shocking that you thought they would...

[@vmac8972]

Every patch they release they break the map editor and the awesome custom campaigns out there.

[@ohmyonionpie]

as expected, they somehow managed to make the situation worse

[@xersys]

dang I was looking forward to this battlechest

[@Nokiya]

another spin on the OG fans they did SC1 justice they did D2 justice but WC just keeps getting spit on despite being what made blizzard and what keeps it floating

[@jd_27]

The macos version was broken for a month. They said it was fixed, it wasnt. We waited another couple of days, then they said it was fixed, it was fixed for some But the menu interface is still extremely choppy and if I alt tab out and back again the cursor disappears 😢

[@UncaringMan]

I hate how my computer can handle graphicly higher demanding games like Fallout or even WoW, but Warcraft 1 and 2 absolutely refuse to play on my computer.

[@SlamBolts]

The RTS team stands for the three people in it: Roger, Tim and Sandra

[@arohk4415]

"lets put out fake screenshots of our game that look great, instead of making the game look great" perfect strategy

[@TheAkashachi]

Although it doesn't affect the majority of the audience, but Warcraft I and II are not available on LATAM territories. Blizzard doesn't say if there are licensing or localization issues, support only confirmed that the games (and the War Chest) are not available there even though Warcraft III Reforged is available. All links from LATAM goes directly to an error page. This also feels like part of their false advertising, as in no place they had been clear that it would be restricted in certain territories, which is a slap in the face of a huge portion of their audience.

[@lamaskfish]

Wait, no it can't be right, 3 people? 3 PEOPLE? Belluar is making fun of us hahahaha

[@masoncooper4810]

Just want to say, I've watched your videos on and off for a while, and I've been very impressed by how you've grown as a journalist. I think you're probably one of the most balanced and fact-based gaming news sources out there now.

[@changer_of_ways_999]

The amount of people praising Blizzard for 2.0 and the half a$$ W1 and W2 remasters is disheartening to me. It's been 30 years and this bare minimum remaster of Warcraft 1 is all we've got? We should have a Warcraft 4, and a remake of Warcraft 1 by now with all the new story and lore changes they've had with WoW. Hell, I actually thought they'd launch a Warcraft remake when the movie came out years ago. But they didn't.

[@PlayJAK82]

Bought the Battle Chest, Having fun, looks decent to me, and from the sounds of it blizzard isn't done improving/fixing WC3. As long as they are continuously working on WC3 until it's better, I'm happy enough for now.

[@badrinath5306]

Ok apparentally from what Grubby said it didn't always say ganeplay concepts. It used to say still and the title of the photos below still say still.

[@Lowkey_333]

Thank god Blizzard still has Blizzard gamers willing to go through hoops and loops to tell us that it was in fact just a mistake and Blizzard didn't try to rip us off on purpose again, it's just a coincidence that it keeps happening!

[@custos3249]

Meh. Even if they didn't screw up the release of WC3, the updated visuals of any of their games aren't enough to offset the always online requirement.

[@kingjoe3rd]

I preordered WC3RF the very minute that it was available to purchase and I’m still waiting for the game that I paid for.

[@benedict6962]

No im pretty sure we can blame several people for this. If budget and potential profit were the problem, then making a straight port was still an option. Why else would you try so hard to eliminate the original wc3? If you want one step higher, rerecording the voice lines of everyone is something easier for blizzard and harder for modders, and has very reliable budget estimates. Noone pushed them to do things this way.

[@shawnjohnson4732]

I remain in awe of the fact that we still can’t just install the original version. Your ONLY option is this shit.

[@Corey_Mckilling]

If Blizzard cant invest into making a good remaster, I cant invest my time and money into purchasing that half assed cash grab.

[@braddl9442]

They used it it the MARKETING, you cant SWEEP THIS AWAY. It was on purpose. No this is not a RAZOR issue, they are professionals, this was not an accident.

[@memitim171]

There are more producers than team members, why does that not surprise me? 😆

[@popatsot1]

The only way to play the original 3 is piracy. Sad

[@Tobez]

Quality Assurance? Yeah, this doesn't exist at Blizzard 😂

[@flavorgod]

Why can't Blizzard do it right like in the StarCraft Remaster?

[@sloxman8937]

*You* were hoodwinked by Blizzard marketing? I am shocked, Shocked!

[@CedricTheMad]

All i give a damn about is if you can scale the UI so that it doesnt take up a third of my screen!!!

[@HyenaHorror]

The AI upscaling in WC 1 & 2 is subpar at best. A lot of it is passable, but cutscenes are marred by the limitations of this tech. There are high resolution (for 1995) renders of the original cutscenes, at least one of which was publicly released, but these were not pulled out of Blizzard's archive and instead the compressed DOS versions were used. Compression artifacts cause serious issues for upscaling and it's painfully obvious even without a side-by-side. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

[@AmineL-es3dk]

When was the last time Blizzard finished any type of job?

[@zirilan3398]

I think around 2006 when they releassed the last chapter for the Ork-campagne in WC3 Frozen Throne

[@decorumlopez9147]

I loved WC3. It was my forever game.

[@derago-dev]

If they would put money into Warcraft, maybe they could dream bigger and make Warcraft 4. Translate WoW story from classic to WotLK, with the game ending with the fall of the Lich King, and there, we have a game that will sell million even if they fuck stuff up.