Blizzard SCREWS UP Yet Again (and People are NOT Happy)

[@NixxiomOnYouTube]

In other news, how is SoD P4 for everyone so far?

[@SweGamingNoobs]

Well phase 3 really ruined our guild after a while... It was probably the best guild i've been a part of since OG Wotlk. The momentum that SoD had is gone now, it feels like a high slope getting back into Phase 4 but we're trying, but the feeling isn't there like it used to. At least that's how it is for my guild and a lot of other Swedish guilds i've talked to on Lone Wolf EU.

[@zantsmith4257]

not comming back to sod.

[@SH-gf6sh]

Wasn't excited for it but decided to continue anyways and I got sucked back in pretty much right away. Been clearing BRD with a well geared AoE group and the clear speed is absolutely nuts. I feel like I'm doing the same amount of damage at lvl 51 as I was doing at lvl 60 with raid gear back in 2019. It's actually kind of fun even if it feels weird.

[@josh_kibishima]

@@NixxiomOnKZbin I'm not a fan of them ruining the runes for paladins. I was having fun with the holy spec I had going on. I was using the martyr seal over seal of righteousness and it was making my holy spec a lot more fun to level now I've cancelled my sub because I can no longer have fun with the new changes. I'm a wet noodle now lol.

[@nzwj]

Super quiet on the Australasian server I'm on.

[@JuanxDlol]

Why not keep the changes to SoD and make it Classic+ and leave Classic to be Vanilla ? I'll never understand this.

[@zhadez10]

These changes are all just freak accidental bugs spawned from incompetence. It's leaking from SOD/Cata clients into Era and has nothing to do with them wanting to "upgrade" Era servers.

[@PASBGR]

It is a way of converting classic players into retail players. Basically attempting to get you to be more comfortable with the predatory version of the product in a subtle way. An ancient way of cultural conversion done by empires on conquered/vassal regions. This is all you need to understand.

[@Mistarpotato]

Blizzard screwing up? Must be a day that ends in Y

[@verenov77]

Yeah, ends in "why?" EDIT: Seems that Blizzard reversed their decision. Good news.

[@agbuyer8825]

@@verenov77 I guess generation Y

[@miriamweller812]

Crybaby day? True. Even got three y in it.

[@Nekrotix12]

It's baffling because they HAVE a version of Classic WoW they can fuck with, Season of Discovery. Just add all these changes THERE and nobody would care.

[@kaiserstritz136]

Damn you're right, I should start a riot in the street because blizzard allow druid to wield polearm! Fuck, what am i gonna do now?!

[@bohne8746]

@@kaiserstritz136aaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[@Layerlol]

​@@kaiserstritz136 So you don't care about them defiling wow classic?

[@jimmiekarlsson4458]

@@Layerlol I for one dont care for some "druid polearm" minor change thing atleast. Its not that much to bitch about, only class that literaly uses polearms is like hunters. But sure, i get why some ppl might get pissed about it. They shouldent change things imo

[@kaiserstritz136]

@Layerlol I play wow classic and I don't care at all about these changes. It's barely nothing. An equal buff for the alliance, I don't see any wrong. Druid can wield polearm, ok like in retail, it barely change anything. None dispelable buffs? Didn't people cry against been dispell by other in 2019 and called it grief? People are mad at nothing

[@Fazquel]

Why don't they just leave the era realms alone and make classic plus servers where they start making these sort of changes. Seems weird af to start changing how the game works on the classic era realms. People clearly just want to play the old version of the game for better or worse.

[@hobosnake1]

I thought season if discovery was literally supposed to be an experimental mode of the game to have changes to the game. So odd that they'd change regular classic.

[@amelio5720]

They didn't intend to make these changes, they just don't want to spend dev time trying to keep Classic ERA untouched while they make changes in SOD, both versions run on the same build, so somethings they struggle to keep different. It's lazy.

[@Lemmelleni]

@@hobosnake1 theyre just trolling at this point

[@unexplained_entity7514]

@@amelio5720 What do you mean same build? I'd think classic would just be another instance running on the server, no? I could see them copying the same codebase from classic for SoD, but otherwise not following.

[@HCSR2]

They are trying to find a chip in the armor to sneak into Classic Era and start monetizing it. They can gauge player reaction to this to see how vulnerable they are to change and slowly condition them into cosmetics and cash shops. It's what happened with TBC Classic. Heck it's what happened with Wrath back in the day that ultimately led to TRH.

[@Jormungrandrserpent]

There is always private servers, untainted by Blizzard's bungling.

[@ajg1292]

As someone who played Druid at release, I can tell you that they did have the ability to use Polearms until they removed it in a later patch of Vanilla.

[@Serelor]

Which patch was that? I didn't play Druid till around TBC; only played Pally & Rogue in Vanilla

[@legolator]

All I can find on wowpedia is " Patch 3.0.8 (2009-01-20): Now trainable by druids.". Looking for some patches in Vanilla but can't find that Druids could use them or that it was removed. Maybe someone else can Sherlock it but from what I can see that was a WOTLK addition.

[@Serelor]

@@legolator Best info I've gotten so far, appreciate ya looking into it!

[@treebreeze3797]

Page 78 in the original WoW game manual showed that druids could learn spears and I remember using them on release also

[@legolator]

@@treebreeze3797 I had to look this up. You are right, I have the book in front of me, and they could use Spears. Searching wowpedia for Spears it says that it was in the game up until 1.1.0 (2004-11-07) which was the North American launch version and Druids are listed as a class that could use them. At that point all Spears where converted to Polearms. "With the game's full release, the spear weapon type was removed and all existing spear items were reclassified as". Again following this trail to Polearms, the only noteable patch change was in wotlk where Druids where able to learn this weapon skill again. Between those two patches there are no mentions of this.

[@josh_kibishima]

Blizzard is gonna keep molesting classic til people leave and then they're gonna say oh look no one wants to play classic anymore and shut the servers down

[@3ssenti4L]

This.

[@NoxiD-20]

Most likely the plan to get rid of era servers. They want those people to stop playing classic and buy the new expansion trilogy, or to move on to cata classic so they will buy wow tokens.

[@Layerlol]

Facts but I'll be playing on turtle wow ​@NoxiD-20

[@Layerlol]

This comment is the nail on the head.

[@TheBlargMarg]

Or they'll just reset "Classic" and create new "Real Vanilla Classic" realms hehe.

[@SunSpot92]

For me, at least, it's less about the changes themselves and more about them breaking their promise of keeping things as they were at launch.

[@anthonycantone3750]

How to solve the problem: cancel your subscription

[@raphaelhamato7546]

I just cancelled my wow sub over this. Gg blizzard/activision/microsoft/whateverthefuq.

[@iShredStreets]

@@raphaelhamato7546 You'll be back.

[@NJD47]

@@raphaelhamato7546 qq

[@stefanmilovanov3398]

@@raphaelhamato7546 Womp womp

[@t.ydunston2251]

Bro these people kill me. Make all these videos and people in the comments act like they can’t unsub. 😭😂

[@shokibt]

ppl using zygor and such addons in classic complaining for this changes are so funny

[@alex-suciu]

exactly lol

[@DemethVLK]

Yeah this is ridiculous. I'm tired of the wow playerbase

[@shantotto1wife519]

It starts with these changes and ends with classic era token/cash shop

[@shantotto1wife519]

@JustSomeIdiot794 putting a token in classic era wouldn't cost them anything though

[@MrNozes]

Nostalgia driven people will get mad at anything. I'm not even shocked anymore

[@davidcarter8946]

I hate Zygor ... why? not because it's a Pay-For-Add-On ... but because it's a "subscription" based add-on and you have to pay monthly. When I contacted them about this, they tried to "hide it" ... scummy scumbags ...

[@Shadow_Grandmaster]

Just pirate it. Anyone who pays for zygor monthly is throwing money away.

[@daben7145]

its against ToS of blizzard anyways to sell addons.

[@chaelsonnensbicep9711]

@@Shadow_Grandmasterhow do you pirate zygor

[@handsinthefire]

Same with Restedxp. I hate both of them equally and I can't fucking wait for something to happen to can both of them. Premium functions is against tos when locked behind a paywall.

[@andrepinto7283]

​@@chaelsonnensbicep9711 Google "elitepvp wow addons"

[@ninnikuprobability]

Blizzard took down Turtle-WoW's unreal video via issuing a takedown notice. Last night Asmongold was forced to take down his own video reacting to Turtle-WoW. Seems to be having a Streisand Effect, a flood of new players all the sudden. Thanks for saying good things!

[@XFoX90]

They can't help themselves but to touch things. It wouldnt be the first time.

[@StormTrooperVids]

im gonna touch you

[@Needler13]

Nothing of these changes is bad.

[@filthycasual8187]

@@Needler13 They exist. For a game that's supposed to basically be an untouched museum piece. They're fucking bad.

[@davidnielsen5695]

True, but a day will come where they change something you dont like. I always been on the #nochanges side, not because i think vanills is just oh so perfect, but simpley because they would mlst certainly change things i dont want changed. Like a dungeon and raid finder is a gamebreaker for me, i hate it, i know alot of people would like it though.​@@Needler13

[@86Corvus]

All of it is bad

[@ich8966]

They need to leave era alone. They promised to keep an original version of classic online with no changes. Remember the drama back then with nostalrius and official classic servers?

[@JAZ_2002]

TURTLE WOW MENTIONED 🐢‼️‼️🔥🐢🔥🗣🔥🔥🗣🔥‼️‼️🐢‼️‼️

[@rickadmiraal9864]

And this is the reason i play on a private server

[@TheMetalIsNeon]

I'm almost certain that these changes were intended specifically for Season of Discovery, and Blizz messed up and added them to era without realizing it. It's the only way I could see this being justified

[@jonathansoko1085]

That's a cope my dude

[@klavier285]

The druid Pole arm skill makes me think this. What a random thing to add. The other stuff could make sense, but why that singular class change?

[@michaelstronghold3550]

It's possible. SoD runes temporarily made it to era in the same update causing all sorts of crashing for a few days.

[@iShepardi]

@@klavier285 Because it adds usability for an underutilized item category on Alliance which would benefit druid in having. Which is why it was added later in WoW. This gives and option which sees these items used more.

[@Hmmm0101]

The issue is not that it slipped through to ERA, the issue is that instead of them fixing the bugs, they advertised them as NEW FEATURES.

[@ShotgunHoward]

Isn't changes to Classic WoW why they started Season of Discovery?

[@zhadez10]

Sure but these are Era servers. Personally I am all for changes but I want a polling system like OSRS not random changes nobody asked for. Also you have way more severe stuff leaking from SOD/Cata clients like paladins learning divine steed and warlocks getting instant and non channeled rain of fire. The druid polearm thing is just from the cata client and now they figure since people already learned it I guess this is now a feature.

[@Relhio]

@@zhadez10 Hey guys, do you still want the Alliance to be weaker than the Horde? Horde players (70%) vote yes, Alliance (30%) vote no; what a world we live in. Y'all want Druids to remain completely useless because of terrible outdated class fantasies and have specs like Elemental or Balance that are literally unplayable?

[@Dayz3O6]

Dont give money and time to a company that never respect you or like you to begin with.

[@MrGoesBoom]

So the whole point of Classic is that it's as close to the original game as they could get....and now they're changing it and wondering why people are upset....We can't blame Activision at this point, seems like the folks at Blizz really are just that stupid. This is like me ordering a bacon pizza and finding out they changed it to have sausage because they felt that it's what I really wanted and why are you upset it's not bacon? I mean sausage also comes from pigs so it's the same thing only better ( from the idiots point of view at any rate )

[@johernandez266]

Now I want pizza. 😂

[@alex-suciu]

must be terrible to have druids be able to equip polearms, or have alliance a similar wb as horde, or gods forbid a better guild ui

[@zhadez10]

@@alex-suciu These changes are all bad because Blizzard didn't ask the community, it's as simple as that. None of these changes are well thought out and tailored specifically to Era servers. They are all just freak accidental bugs spawned from incompetence and now they're trying to play it off as intentional. Druids able to use polearms for instance is just from cata client and now they're like aw shiet people already learned polearms so I guess this is a feature now. There are SOD runes leaking into era servers like paladins learning divine steed and warlocks getting instant non channeled rain of fire. It doesn't matter if you agree with all or any of the "changes" this is just incompetence.

[@MrGoesBoom]

@@alex-suciu You seem to miss the point of Classic...it's the OG version of the game, or as close as they can get. That's the point, that's the draw. Not "Oh, well this was something people really wished they'd had back in the day, let's add that in. Oh, the old UI was bad let's change it" No, the point of Classic is that it's as close as you can get to being back in 2004 and playing the game as it was when it first came out. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@lorec73]

Why would anyone support this company anymore? They haven't understood anything ever since Pandaria (Since TBC if you ask me). A ruined franchise cannot be fixed.

[@ArnarionArt]

As much as I love WoW, I'm sure we can all agree that Blizz hasn't been in touch with their players for years now

[@NoxiD-20]

More like over a decade.

[@ArnarionArt]

@@NoxiD-20 I know right! Been waiting for that damn devilsaur mount forever too. I want my ridable T-rex

[@sc-mh3jj]

"you think you do, but you don't"

[@NighDarke]

Once blizzard starts making changes they don't stop so this is only the beginning and that is why everybody is freaking out. They know this and they don't want it, they want to try to nip it in the bud right now.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

Funny I don't remember people freaking out when they removed spell batching, I seem to remember people asking for the game to be changed to remove it, and also praising the addition of the chrono boon.

[@Whateverdude970]

Just stop playing. Its like being in an abusive relationship. They never change, they always keep lying and will never respect their playerbase. Just stop playing. I got sick and tired years ago and ended my sub. Never ever will i go back to a game from that fucked up company

[@ganjatrooper7193]

Yep, apply those 15 $ to Turtle WoW or other classic servers rather than paying someone to slowly ruin the game for you.

[@jakecarroll5]

Literally this. Turtle wow was it for me. When a private server is outperforming the giant Blizz then its time to go. Ill probably donate to Turtlewow my sub then and give them 15$ a month. Fuck it. They changed the maps, adding unreal engine 5, everything they did is amazing.

[@ajamesrichards]

Then get off commenting on the game too 🤡

[@Whateverdude970]

@@ajamesrichards why? I watch Nixxiom. So what that he makes WoW vids sometimes. Stop playing a game doesn't disqualifies me from commenting on it. Thats a childs way of thinking. Youre 12 or something?

[@riftwalker9296]

Blizzard doesn't give a damn about their fans. It's why I stopped giving them money years ago.

[@ajamesrichards]

But still watch videos about their games. 🤡

[@riftwalker9296]

@@ajamesrichards Even though I won't play their games I like to read/hear stories about all kinds of information in the gaming circles.

[@86Corvus]

Not only watches but keeps blizzards feet to the fire by scrutnizing their behaviour publicly. Hes the chad, youre the clown.

[@Cal12517]

Turtle wow

[@eurosonly]

Players: we want classic with no changes! Also players: use min-maxaing guides and all of these addons and tools to exploit the shit out of the game. So you're telling me, that people want the old stuff while they play it in a modern way? What's the point of that then?

[@AlvinEarthworm]

The hypocrisy of the average Classic Andy. Fecking idiots.

[@joelhodoborgas]

Leave era alone!!!!!!

[@Maethendias]

i cant believe that ...nvm i CAN believe that blizzard went full circle from "you think you do, but you dont" to "classic release breaking wow records" literally back to "you think you do, but you dont"

[@DJezdic]

Blizzard is in a constant state of making bad decisions.

[@hobosnake1]

idk. people were practically jizzling themselves when SoD was announced and for months after it was released. I think people are just dramatic.

[@DJezdic]

@@hobosnake1 You left out the part where SOD hemorrhaged its player base to the point of being smaller than era.

[@Torsar_]

​@@hobosnake1thats because people thought they were getting a glimpse into Classic+ It took a while for them to come off the copium and realize what they got was Retail-. Any singular move theyve made isnt a big deal. But their constant unwillingness to believe that people actually want Classic to be Classic is proven in all these moves. Very bad indicators for anything positive going forward for any WoW player be it Retail, no changes Classic, or anything inbetween.

[@Layerlol]

It's not a bad decision for them tho, They want to mess with classic in the hopes that people quit and go to cata or retail to collect money from tokens and other stuff in their store. Blizzard isn't making any money off classic era players so to them it's a business move

[@filthycasual8187]

@@Layerlol That sounds like you're defending them.

[@joaoelvas8951]

They don't understand the community... Release actual classic plus, or maintain the pure experience. Simple! Also remove pay to win BS, done.

[@godofdun]

I don't play classic era, I've no interest in it whatsoever.......I still think this was dumb, just leave it alone. Mind boggling.

[@Ilikethepurples]

Turtle WoW!!!!!!! Thanks for the shout out to the BEST classic (+) experience you can have

[@AGHathaway]

Turtle wow isn't what Classic Andys want to play.

[@kima0ne648]

​@@AGHathawayYou don't say? 🤨

[@Ilikethepurples]

@@AGHathawaysure. But I’d say it’s much better than classic and improves it in ways that are reminiscent of what blizzard would do if they continued to support classic. I don’t actually think classic Andy’s want vanilla vanilla. I think that’s what they think they want because they’ve seen how blizzard maintains there current projects. Idk, if you aren’t toxic give it a try. There’s no fomo. No p2w mtx. Balance changes and updates are almost always praised by the community. It isn’t perfect (what community / dev team is) but if you’re looking for a true classic (+) experience there is nothing like it on the market.

[@jakecarroll5]

@@Ilikethepurples Man the maps in Turtle wow are beautiful. Like rediscovering azeroth again.

[@gamerdude999]

​@@AGHathawayand?

[@deathbob091]

you cant trust a business that needs to make money, even if it once was a company we all truly loved

[@gregjross852]

This comment makes no sense. Classic era brings in penny’s compared to the cash shop of Cata/retail. This just makes no sense at all from a business standpoint.

[@MegaChickenfish]

I'll be perfectly honest I *completely* forgot these era realms existed.

[@dingbatdunce-qe3un]

RIP ERA

[@games12444]

Here’s the thing that players don’t seem to understand. You have Classic Andy’s that want no changes to the classic era. Much like Nixxiom has mentioned. However, on the other side, you have those who wanted Classic era and now small added things along with it. This is not a surprising case. Doing classic, day in and day out, over and over again, people will get BORED of doing the same thing constantly. If no change happens, the game/version will die. It’s the same thing that happened to OSRS, where it was released in the era of 2007. Players enjoyed it, but then got bored of doing the same shit. The moment Nightmare Zone came out is when “OSRS” or “RS07” was no more. It became the equivalent of a private server. Classic WoW is following the same pattern.

[@desbraxt]

I think blizz thought people really loved SoD and thought adding some changes to classic would be smart not realizing the difference in the fan bases. Some want classic plus and some want vanilla.

[@thetoph20]

I'm pissed off they didn't leave WotLK servers on there :( I logged in one day after they released the classic cataclysm servers. I literally stopped playing because of this

[@Needler13]

Seems they just made the alliance as equal to horde and giving druids an extra weapon, which is fine. Dont see the big issue. Only true issue is the guild UI. That is it. Everything else seems to make the alliance the same as the horde and making druids more appealing. If they stop at that, it seems they just made classic the perfect version

[@deadmesiah]

bruh ...... so they gave alliance a buff druids polearms and updated the guild ui they are evil for doing this

[@AGHathaway]

You don't get it. Have you ever made anything significant in your life?

[@jakecarroll5]

Its insane like you have one job. Do not touch classic era servers So they touch them like fucking idiots. One of the worst moves they have ever done with Turtlewow destroying them. Corporate greed eventually rots everything from the inside out.

[@mapleflavouredbacon9938]

Yeah it's not like Blizzard hasn't ruined literally every version of WoW that they have, "changed"

[@Adolephon]

I would love they make a option to chose between classic graphics or modern stunning ghrapics, also modern UI. Let me have the freedom to chose what i want.

[@CurieBohr]

There are addons that greatly improve the graphics. But, compared to retail, Classic looks terrible.

[@AGHathaway]

@@CurieBohr Dissagree, retail looks like trash. It's noisy and ugly.

[@denisblack9897]

More like modern shitty graphics… I cant stand new running and cloak animations

[@CurieBohr]

@@denisblack9897 yet in classic, everything is old and tired looking, not two things.

[@LemonMan91]

I'm mildly irritated by them going back on their word, but honestly, what is Blizzard's word even worth these days? At this point, we're just dumb for believing anything they say.

[@joshw3719]

There’s a REASON why all of us still like playing Era. It’s because Vanilla will always be replayable and Era Vanilla is the closest we have to unchanged. There going to mess up the only thing we have that they said they’d never touch. They also messed up the interface already months ago with the retail one.

[@hundy8978]

If you can add shit no one asked for. You can return the era characters to these realms that didn't clone. People are actually asking for that.

[@MrCoolAttitude]

I don't care for classic but I support this. Leave classic as it was supposed to be.

[@Nightstalker314]

The Halo comparison example is complete nonsense.

[@latham4575]

I think Blizzard has lost it. I logged into Sod and saw they gave Paladins the horse ability (Divine Steed). No thank you Blizz.

[@marcusmolyneux6422]

Lol yall are a bunch of 30 + year olds crying about a UI change to a guild tab that can be reverted back to the old guild tab with a weak aura. Who cares they added a new world buff for ally side BIG WIN for ally, world buffs not dispellable BIG WIN. Druids can equip polearms so dafaq what, just don't equip it.

[@AewepTR]

This really feels like manufactured outrage for wow creators to get some clicks :/ EDIT: After doing a little bit more research, it does appear that some bugs were introduced with this patch on the era servers. While I still don’t think the changes shown in the video are egregious, I have a better understanding of where some of the outrage is coming from.

[@AlvinY4kitori]

oh so the changes are not real?

[@joelhodoborgas]

How about visiting the forums and checking that you're stupid for yourself

[@ferren400]

@@AlvinY4kitori real, but the impact seems to be a bit exaggerated.

[@klavier285]

Couldn't be that people that love vanilla wow are tired of blizz messing with their static version of the game. All blizz had to do was release classic and leave it in maintenance mode. But no, we get chronoboon, decay removal, UI changes, dispel removal, bowls of fruit, item name changes because of breast milk drinkers, and now the latest batch of changes.

[@moeck14]

100% agree the changes are so minute and have no impact on the broader game. Disappointed in this video tbh

[@loganroettger1491]

This is possibly the most ridiculous outrage and shit fit I have ever seen. A guild panel change doesn't affect the game at all. It's a UI change. The alliance world buff has 0 impact on horde players and doesn't really affect the people that just play classic for leveling, which is most people I know. And druids using polearms only affects druids specifically, if at all. I'm not even sure there are any polearms in the game a druid would prefer over what they were using before. Also nice of Nixxiom to plug Turtle WoW at the end for the extra money, talking about classic+ when the entire point of this video is throwing a shit fit about 3 incredibly minor changes to classic. Do you really think players mad about a UI change want to go play Classic+?

[@temetnosce2099]

Imagine being a Blizz shill in 2024. How pathetic. There is no excuse for them messing with a version they said they wouldn’t touch. People should unsub after being lied to yet again.

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

I completely agree with you that these changes are nothing, but the reason people are angry is that Blizzard said they would not touch Classic. If they can do these small changes, who knows what more changes they might add? No one trusts Blizzard.

[@Sheila3444]

Stop fixing what's not broken.

[@ElemorOG]

Classic era is not classic classic anymore, since ALWAYS. Get over it. It's just a quality of life change, a balance for people who plays PvE.

[@jigsaw6954]

People are mad about this? 😂

[@slandry4664]

*Blizz changes the font on a single quest to be more legible* This guy : BLIZZARD HAS RUINED CLASSIC WOW, MY LIFE IS RUINED, MY WIFE LEFT ME AND MY DOG RAN AWAY.. YOU SCREWED UP BLIZZARD.

[@bfrizzel]

sad I just hit 40 on my pally on DD.. stoked to get the mount, but these changes kinda ruined this "fresh" movement on Deviate Delight for me. RIP

[@messybuttons7525]

Nice rage bait for some of that sweet Zygor money. People here literally saying “cancel your accounts” over small changes made to a 20 year old game. What’s bizarre is you gleefully explained that paying $15 to keep your character on era realms was a good idea on their part, instead of keeping them for free. Blizzard extort money = good idea Blizzard makes VERY minor changes to balance game = sky is falling. Get real.

[@GothaBillsAndDeath]

"no one asked for a stormwind equivalent of rend buff" are you... did we play different versions of wow? Also chronoboons exist, you can't dispel buffs anymore, multiple small changes to items. Blizzard already changed Classic WoW, andies just don't want to admit it.

[@sirdernosoftides8137]

Time to go to private servers

[@ZapatosVibes]

Turtle WoW devs have a better understanding of what makes vanilla a timeless game than Classic devs, sadly.

[@delliveromofficielle9551]

turtle wow devs should own classic wow instead of blizzard

[@golvellius6855]

The only company that will ever destroy blizzard is,,,, Blizzard

[@JeffDays]

Playing classic in 2019 as an alliance player, I thought it was unfathomably dumb that alliance did not have warchief's blessing. I'd be jumping for joy reading these patch notes if they did it back then 😂

[@FozzaCovers]

I prefer the modern Guild UI. It's only a quality of life feature, doesn't really DESTROY classic. Get your sticks out of your bums and get with the program.

[@oneevilchef]

I see no problem here If you want untouched servers from back in the day, go play Ultima Online. Blizzard has been focused on innovation and microtransaction use since the day they thought of it, i wouldn't be surprised if they included a battle pass system (and a premium battlepass) just to ekk out more from their consumer base.

[@daltonnelson94]

1. Blizzard shouldn't be changing classic realms 2. Classic Andys should stop whining about everything. It's not that big of a deal

[@Squilark]

I think people are stupid to turn down the world buff equivency; so many alliance would just have priest alts accounts with a clicker to help them get their own buff safely on top of Org. It's not fun gameplay. It's extremely dull. The complaints for druid polearm and chronoboom are extremely valid though.

[@Greekwario]

People bitching about alliance getting Rend don’t understand or never got it

[@SplatastictheRealOne]

It was stated to be left alone, unchanged. To be as vanilla as possible, but adding even a slight difference or benefit like a polearm for druids, or axes for rogues Sounds nice, but it is not needed. I still want the TBC era, and the wrath era servers to be a part of that time capsule. And kept pure to what the experience was intended for. A person getting into a version of WoW for the first time. While separated from Era progression. Like cata classic. Sometimes they need to get off the tool of money, sit down and reconnect with their audience. Money can do a lot, but the people who've put their time, passion and money into it to ALLOW WoW to be what it has become from the years. It was because of us, and the dedicated few that saw gaming as a hobby not a job just to regale other friends of the adventures you went through with your guild of more friends, and legacy of how you charged right in, and enjoying the bucket of chicken you have. _Knight-Lieutenant Leeroy Jenkins._ Or how the GM made an oopsie and gave Leeroyspeltz Martin Fury and his guild claimed WF by using it or the Talisman of the Binding shard Legendary necklace being owned by one person in legacy. Those are stories of how silly mistakes and fun made warcraft be itself. People's fun, And funerals of not just players of people behind the character did bring people closer, and blizzard is ruining that. To some degree. Rose tinted goggles are for those who can't accept the people we had in our games life span. Everyone misses Reckful the Rogue, Everyone Misses Havengames the Paladin explorer. And sure as heck everyone misses their friends who were sadly lost. The game is a memorial for everyone we've met, and everyone who's yet to begin their journey. Azeroth calls for you adventurer. It is a home away from home. And one that welcomed everyone before going mildly soft. _like can't even swear in the game anymore what if my RP character was a foul mouthed cutthroat or mercenary who swore at every possible outcome?_

[@person1191]

I don’t see why you would mess with the classic realms if no one asked you too.

[@silent_moshi]

Oh no! How terrible! I'M SO UPSET!

[@raphaelhamato7546]

I unsubbed over this

[@zhadez10]

@landrybt These are all bad because Blizzard didn't ask the community, it's as simple as that. None of these changes are well thought out and tailored specifically to Era servers. They are all just freak accidental bugs spawned from incompetence.

[@etchieSketchie]

Personally it doesn't bother me, but on principle Blizz should not change classic. If that's what they wanted to do, they need to pull the trigger on "Classic Plus" and align themselves with player expectations and past promises.

[@dylanbaird9629]

I heard this was an accident because these changes are for SoD. Since SoD uses the same servers, sometimes the changes for SoD accidentally show up in era. This happened in phase 2 as well with some class tuning.

[@ZombieApocalypse09]

The new guild UI is so bad. It really is incomprehensible.

[@warrhind]

I don;t get it... I am a retail player, who just dabble in classic a bit, but it seems to me like the three tiny tweaks do not affect the way the game plays at all....

[@IvanBebozmoBeozo]

it is no longer classic

[@warrhind]

@@IvanBebozmoBeozo But it is...the clasees have the same rotations, the HP is the same, the mechanics are the same, the gold economy is the same, the PVP is the same, the raids are the same, the BiS gear is the same, the mobs are the same, the quests are the same, etc. literally 99.99999999% of the game is the same.

[@obiwayne2247]

Honestly blizzard screwing up? Thats kinda everyday business. It woud be a bigger surprise if i saw a video at this point that says: Blizzard did everything perfectly fine exactly how the fans wanted it.

[@liquidbase]

It's only Classic, so it's irrelevant. So what's the problem? I don't see one.

[@the13thkillzone]

people really have nothing better to complain about... these are all good changes imo.

[@jonasdraiman988]

I never get tired of seeing how the wow community gets so rilled up for nothing, all this fuzz is literally what ''storm in a glass of water'' means, like omg.. blizz made so druids can use polearms.. so what ? is the most useless weapon type in classic anyway, remember ''Vendorstrike'' ? like most polearms in the game, not worth to use it, and if u are using a polearm, you probably dont have anything better to use in its place. Now.. the ally buff, thats kind of big, maybe something meant for SoD, but since its the same client got into classic by mistake ? maybe all those changes are meant for SoD and it was all a mistake, who knows, but i still think the same, even if it isnt the case, we have much bigger problems in the game to get mad about something like this, btw this is coming from someone who did played and enjoyed a warrior 1-60 in classic, one of the best leveling experiences in mmos that i ever had (even if it was slow af), im all in for turtle wow unreal engine project too, looks really awesome, also.. i know what nixxiom means like ''classic andys dont want changes, they want what we had in 2019'' i get that, you have something you like and enjoy even with its flaws, but why complain when 1. the changes its meaningless such as polearms for druids or 2. new guild ui (which shows more information about members and its systematically better) ? seems like some poeple just love to complain about anything they can get an excuse to complain about, but then again.. its my take/opinion on the matter, i would bet it is something for SoD, but we'll see soon enough and if it isnt... people who dont like it can play turtle wow instead, everybody wins haha.

[@Brosak.]

Exactly 😅

[@zhadez10]

It's about the dishonesty here These "changes" are leaking over to Era servers from the SOD/Cata clients. Take druid polearm for instance that's from Cata and now since people learned it Blizz is like oh well I guess this is a feature now. Runes from SOD are also leaking over with Paladins learning divine steed and warlocks having instant non channeled rain of fire. If they are to make any changes at all to classic era they should implement some variation of the OSRS polling system rather than calling new bugs "changes"

[@jakecarroll5]

Very bad take. If you don't understand classic players fine but do not comment something you do not understand about and say you're "tired".

[@jonasdraiman988]

@@jakecarroll5 Why its a bad take ? i do understand classic players, retail wow changed in a way its not the same game i fell in love with over a decade ago, i complain about the changes i dont like, suggest improvements and all, but are they happening ? No. I AM tired of seeing people over react to some thing like this and not to things like lack of balancing in the game, polishment or other actual important stuff for the game, so it can improve and keep growing. But this level of reaction for something so small as the things nixxiom noted in the video are just a joke to complain about, to get rilled up about and make a petition, players should be making a petition for classic +, or to blizzard hire the guys from the turtle wow team to make classic + and maybe even handle classic servers, they clearly know what they're doing there, maybe you didnt get my point and got offended because you're one of the big fans of classic, a ''classic andy'' how people say, but i always wish for the best for wow, always did and always will, what im saying here is that people and putting their demands and worries on the wrong topic.

[@albertgeorgy6827]

They always refuse to listen. They make small changes but they never really change

[@jtn81x]

Why pay Blizzard to okay old versions of WoW when there is absolutely no reason to? PR disasters is what Blizzard have done pretty much full time since "Don't you guys have phones?". The sooner you realize Blizzard is not the old Blizzard, will never be the old Blizzard again and will never release a truly good game again the less rough the fall will be.

[@anthonychristy9239]

This is clickbait. Very few have any real issue with any of these changes. I mean, finally someone other than hunters might use polearms... And alliance uave been asking for an equal buff to the Warchief one for Decades... Cry more and keep up the clickbait.

[@MissFaerlynn]

Original guild UI was an absolutely pure garbage. Replacing it with new one is just a bonus. It's crazy just how much some people are willing to moan about keeping bad stuff in game with 0 effect other than being annoying for sake of nostalgia. other changes, fair, that's changes to actual gameplay experience, that's bad. But moaning about UI change? meh. The game doesn't even play like original classic since it runs on new, updated engine of wow. Stuff behaves differently. Where are people complaining about the fact it's not original vanilla client? Yeah..

[@IvanBebozmoBeozo]

blizzard shill

[@ronnycifarelli3117]

i see this and get legit Angry at this kind of Players, how can you be this lost and get Angry about things like this. They only search for Problems its so crazy...

[@veritasabsoluta4285]

Because no one trusts Blizzard

[@Hyper-Reality]

Blizzard wants to push people to play servers with the most money making mechanisms, essentially pushing people over to SoD is their goal. Why play classic era if there's changes, might as well play SoD. Proof fresh classic servers are never comming any time soon. This patch is clearly designed to counter act a growing number of player movements to low pop classic era servers for that emulated a fresh nastolgia experience. Classic Era servers are never going to be enough control over the players for blizzard, simple as that... So they need to stir the pot.

[@unscheduled_gaming]

I love these changes #moreChanges

[@TBboyee]

I think everyones expectations are so fuckin high nowadays that no one can ever be happy and enjoy much of anything. Channels THRIVE off of bad news and its getting old. not saying blizzard hasnt fucked up ... they have for sure but there will always be unhappy people that seem like they just want to be mad regardless.

[@targgthewise2892]

So don’t be upset about paying 15$, then having them change the rules? Ummm, ok?

[@STNJ_YT]

Pretty dumb take imo. The whole premise of these realms were established BY BLIZZARD as realms that would not see changes and not be touched. They sold 15$ character clone and transfers for this precise reason. And now they are going back on that. (Let's not ignore that you still need a sub to play on these realms) I would argue the changes are dumb and unnecessary that really do nothing, but also I would argue the changes are dumb and unnecessary that really do nothing.

[@wigdocter]

yes thats the only thing these channels have. complaining and negativity because thats what gets views.

[@pumirya]

I don’t think I would like this if I was playing on classic servers, but the reality is, a company can do what it wants and that includes going back on their word. If this is something you’re truly passionate about then don’t just Internet outrage back up your point by unsubscribing from the game and hurt the company where it matters most… in the wallet.

[@tacohitman4003]

This comment is ignorant and obviously from a child.

[@Nightstalker314]

This is a realm running on the 1.14 build. Please stop calling this "original".

[@badgamemaster]

In something like the Classic era realms the only thing they should fix it things that breaks the game... like a part of a chain quest being broken...

[@NovaMay]

Oh god what happened now

[@Erianthor]

Blizzard ought to do 3 things: 1. Make it possible to make your own "legacy version" servers for all the prior expansions & Vanilla, just like Minecraft lets you! 2. Add WoW subscription to the Gamepass (and make fresh Classic-Vanilla servers for the opportunity). 3. Stop messing up all the time!

[@Panikaze]

Classic players: WE WANT CLASSIC PLUS!! Blizzard: Here, some changes to improve classic! Classic players: RIOT NOW!

[@infiniteGranolabars9-sk9ll]

R.I.P. Classic Era

[@jjackson2225]

They deleted all my classic characters and now they are on cataclysm and half of them require name changes.....

[@carliemorgan1871]

Stop going against TOS, then

[@Skylliak]

At this point who cares? Where were the people complaining when blizzard added layering, right-click reporting, GDKP, gold-buying, dungeon boosting, 16 debuffs, chrono-boon, 1.12 talents and abilities, faction imbalance, allowing bots, etc. After all this, why care about druids wielding polearms?

[@Habanero212]

Here's what it is. Blizzard has gotten very little excitement from the new retail expansion. So they're creating a bogus controversy but doing something obviously stupid. They know the classic Andy's are going to raise hell. There's no such thing as bad publicity. Bad publicity is better than NO publicity.

[@Yugelol]

Druids using polearms is fine probably one of the dumbest reasons to complain in a version of the game where everyone playing actively is bis already Most player's wouldn't notice this change if a few nerds didn't overreact over it

[@privatebandana]

Holy bootlicking

[@klavier285]

Cool. Can paladins learn gun skill to make ranged pulling easier? Also a taunt would be nice. Anyone else want anything? Just small changes ofc.

[@jamaldavis2480]

I don't get this turtle WoW thing.... So we don't want Blizzard to touch the game... but we want turtle wow to touch the game... what?

[@Mystie689]

Turtle WoW feels like vanilla. Blizzard does not want classic to feel like vanilla or the original xpacs that classic is supposed to be.

[@youngpoop]

There is a reason why they made season of discovery and we have classic era realms.

[@jamaldavis2480]

No, no, the entire community is freaking out because they got a new Guild UI, Druids are allowed to use Polearms, and the alliance doesn't need to go to orgimar and do mind control things to get a world buff. Everyone talking about this brings up Turtle WoW and going to it. Turtle WoW goes much further than Blizzard did... and it feels like vanilla? No it doesn't. It honestly just seems that people want a reason to be upset with Blizzard and are taking any reason to do so, but anyone else touching their game is fine. WoW in unreal 5 cheer! Druid using polearms this game is unplayable garbage now.

[@anthonyduncan8676]

@@Mystie689 turtle wow has a cash shop arguably worse than blizzard. I mean you can by AH, Bank, and vendor pets. You can buy mounts on the shop and even skins and full "illusions" to make your chara look like a furblog or other nonsense.

[@Mystie689]

@@anthonyduncan8676 Turtle WoW operates off of donations and that cash shop blizzard has people pay monthly they don't need the cash shop there's a big difference and yeah those items are all lore friendly if i'm not mistaken.

[@MagisterGir]

"Changes never asked for"... I'm pretty sure a common and widely made complaint from Alliance (or both faction) players was the Warchief Blessing buff. It was just a literal "Horde Favortism" moment and Blizzard made it so both sides get something. Also, to nitpick, your example of 'they promised!' no, that's not a promise. That's statement of going forward or staying behind. And again, Rend is not a new world buff, it's a Horde favored buff just a major bad take.

[@Mr.NoodleHair]

I genuinely just think this video is hate mongering. Complaining over a few minute changes, 2/3 are good changes. The UI is weird, I'll admit, but to blow this so outta proportion is lowkey childish.