Blizzard talks Azerite Armor

[@narawow5996]

Hey Preach! Chaos here! Thanks for the kudos on my in-the-moment comparison, and glad we could at least get a response on the road map for the development team. Hopefully our voices will be heard. I still love the game and the community, and it's so disappointing to see a team that is so out of touch with the player base.

[@rhoadesd20]

It seems like the theme of this expansion is "we shouldn't care about it". And that concerns me. Island Expeditions: Ion has stated it is intended you do your weekly, then not bother with it. Warfronts: They have stated, the intent was you go in there once, maybe twice, do your quests, get your 370, then not bother. Azerite Armor: Went from, replacing tier sets, but not as random as legendaries, because you can target what you want; to, we don't want you to be concerned about it, all traits should be equal so you don't care which you get, to not being targetable anyway because they don't drop from Mythic +'s. It's completely RNG from cache (note, I still have yet to get one from cache). If that's the design choice for all these systems which make up the expansion, then it begs the question: Why should we care about the expansion?

[@jethrodark2372]

@rhoadesd20 what xpack? we got a new xpack where? im dying for a new xpack these new systems they added to legion feels like a downgrade

[@reyuu6858]

Word... people will slowly start moving away from bfa... they will do a few runs of the new content then stop playing... theres nothing to keep players invested... unless you are mythic raiding or high in mythic plus or you love achievements... they had so much potential with bfa but they flopped it... right now i miss pandaland and wod... the game was so much more fun in legion and bfa tbh

[@AlexWaff]

@@jethrodark2372 They took away legion and added a few shitty downgraded systems, so we're currently in limbo.

[@TheSpartan88888]

rhoadesd20 Best reason to care is for my dark iron dwarf

[@emptyforrest]

and we should care about class design either. i havent been this discontent with wow since WoD, actually its only been those two times that iahve felt that way. every other time i have quit wow has been for a break because i overplayed the game and needed to do something else for a month or two.

[@Sithalos]

Not only was the post defensive, it was also tone deaf. I didn't expect anything else.

[@NerosCinema]

Got the 370 Azerite Shoulders off the world boss yesterday, which are a HUGE downgrade from my current 355 ones. feelsbadman

[@MechaNobi149]

NerosCinema yer doing it wrong

[@stealthyNiNgA]

feelsbadman :(

[@barachiel212]

I think Lore needs to step down as CM. I could get a dev being this adversarial in a post, not really being terribly good at community relations. But if the guy who's whole job is to be the face of Community Relations posts something like this, he pretty much needs to go. All this has done is prove how wildly out of touch the devs are, and that they've heard us, and don't care, so long as we keep those subs up.

[@DaChongster]

Honestly all I'm hearing is they want to make game designing easier for them at the cost of player's engagement and enjoyment.

[@plzlemme]

I'm honestly at a loss for words, Preach you are a shining beacon in an expansion filled with muddy unclear design philosophies.

[@connman8d617]

Plus he's got a sexy ass.

[@Whackfear]

I think that Preach's comment section is the best way to get in touch with Asmongold personally.

[@Kyrrua_]

Spam " InuyoFace " Asmongold chat if you see this message.

[@remurokka3430]

Oraapanaspat

[@gametenor]

*Asmondaddy

[@0xzi]

As someone who raided from Vanilla all the way through Legion, this is the shit that made me stop raiding. I genuinely don't understand the AQ comparison because it took like one day for our entire guild to get their nature resist. Mara was very easy to farm like you said and I don't understand the thought behind it, not because it was "silly you had to do that" but because at least you could fucking TARGET THE GEAR. I have to pray I get an azerite upgrade which half the time isn't an upgrade cause it's poorly itemized for my spec. At least in Vanilla farming Nature resist I could farm that all day and I would EVENTUALLY get something. I can excuse blizzard for a lot of things but I think the game they think they're making and the game that everyone fell in love with are two very different things.

[@sterlingkeful340]

I was one of the people that didn't like some of the negativity I heard on your channel and some of your streams about BFA during the alpha/beta phase. After playing BFA trying to be super positive, I realized you were right the entire time. Taking a break from wow until something changes to make it more interesting (other than just raiding) I'll keep watching and supporting your channel to see if anything improves to bring me back.

[@TheRhysStreams]

I didn't like being told the truth because I wanted to bury my head in the sand and be a fanboy with blind faith in a company that has never once rewarded it. But then I got the game and literally couldn't play AND have both fingers jammed in my ear going nananananana. so I guess you were right.

[@martinivanov1319]

next time listen because theres a reason for so much negativity...if it was good ppl would be pogchamping not hating so much on the whole bfa and blizzard

[@Emsarrev]

Can't wait to watch assertonsin's upload of asmongold's reaction to your video in which you respond to Lore discussing azerite feedback with the community. What a time to be alive.

[@stevefyfe1018]

A reaction to a response to feedback to a game. Gada love content

[@Mrnatox]

Flyfer 15 tbf, in Preaches case, he's taking the dialog back to em objectivly, instead of shouting like Heelsvsbabyface, or the booty-licking Tali are doing.

[@kungozaimethodjoshhighligh9467]

If Assertonsin ever has an accident ... And lets see if we can make that happen

[@stevefyfe1018]

Mrnatox well I think with those three channels you get a good spectrum. Tali rationalizes it as well as he can and Az sort of acts as the doomsayer while Preach takes the middle ground. They all bring something to the table, admittedly with Preach bringing the most, but the other two can counter-balance each other and those in the opposite camp.

[@nhagan001]

Flyfer 15 I was ok with Tali until he had a few streams where they couldn't have a show because "their camera was broken". Really now? Your words don't bring enough to the conversation that we HAVE to see your face to compensate? Preach's words carry enough weight that I can make this comment and listen to his thoughts. I no longer feel the same for Tali.

[@Miguelitobr]

Man I wish blizzard had listen to all the feedback of the alpha, now we are stuck with this system. Feels bad not been able to target specific items without huge rng. I am at 370 with 340 azerite armor still (I know i am not the only one). I am at the point that my weekly +10 and raid is all I do. WQ are not fun at all and no reason to do keys.

[@uchnsn]

Everyone is stuck here now unless you sacrifice virgin children to satan for some good RNG. you need to pray to get the azerite item you NEED and it has to be higher IL than yours. and the chances are minor. not only that. you'll have to replace it in 4 months. by the time you get it. you'll have to replace it (if you get it in the first place) and they talk about multiple sets....you can barely get 1 to begin with. i hope they get a huge drop in subscribers so they actually address this i don't see them making any drastic changes unless some thing drastic like this happens.

[@Jaxom35x]

You do realize that the hardcore players that are complaining about this don't pay anyway? They use in game gold, not a subscription. Those of us who pay the subscription prices really don't have a problem with it because we don't have the time/opportunity to play so much that we have already accomplished everything and the only thing we need now is to upgrade 3 pieces of gear to have "beaten the game". Of course there will be a dropoff in subs, it happens every expansion. Not because of the azurite gear not gearing up fast enough, but because it was new, it was shiny, and when it no longer is then they move on to the next new, shiny thing. Until WoW's next expansion and it starts all over again.

[@butterflysrage]

I’m closing in on 360 avg ilvl and still rocking 325 shoulders.

[@Miguelitobr]

Bill Gross I think you are generalizing here I am a Mythic raider and I pay for my sub. One thing you are missing out as well is that even if you buy a token with gold you are technically paying for it because a player had to pay Blizzard 20 dollars for it (blizzard makes 5 dollars extra). From what I have seem from forums and other sites the reactions to the CM response seem overwhelmingly negative. What I have an issue is with the Devs ignoring all the feedback from alpha and beta about this system. Last expansion the game kept me playing but also having fun, this time around its just not clicking for me.

[@leeblackburn5682]

God, WQ blow so much.

[@custardstuff5178]

Ion: we want you to have fun, that's all we care about Lore: shut up and like it, we know best

[@tyler151615]

Don't forget to add J. Allen Brack for his now famous "You think you do, but you don't" line and now he is the one that has to keep announcing Classic WoW stuff and get shit on every time because he is the one that said we don't want it and that Blizzard wouldn't do it.

[@LyneaSilver]

Just seems like Lore sucks their balls nowadays. Lore from before being hired by Blizzard would know better than this shit.

[@JBrandonMercer123]

tyler151615 He gets a lot of flack, but I think J. Allen Brack was actually right. Most people probably won't play Classic for more than a month or so and then realize they didn't want it. Sure, there are die hard fans and a decent number of people played on private servers, but private servers are free, aren't they?

[@gulanist3703]

JBrandonMercer123 Enough people wanted it for blizzard to make a Classic wow server, Brack was obviously wrong. It wont matter if most people only play for a few months. Blizzards activity against private servers is sure to ramp up with classic's launch, and most people are more than willing to pay to have their information safe and the guarantee that their characters wont go away over night.

[@connman8d617]

Gulanis T You're missing the point. There is no way to know, as of yet, if the "demand" is real or if it is just nostalgia. We can't know for sure until we're a month into Classic and most people, who are still not even max level yet, start deciding whether it's worth their time or not. My money is on Classic realms dwindling down 10% of their launch player base within 3 months.

[@luketfer]

Yeah the feeling I got from that post was basically "We know you don't like the Azerite system, we know its a major flop at this moment and probably for the future but this is the theme of the Expansion and we're not doing a damn thing to change it heavily so shut up about it." Basically it looks like we can pretty much write this entire mechanic off for this expansion and I get the feeling that, thankfully, their sour taste with what it has caused means that the next expansion just freaking MIGHT go back to giving talents (they really should have given a talent row at 120), tier sets and the like.

[@FlesHBoX]

Honestly, I have no aspirations about what they might do in the next xpac. Azerite gear is literally the worst parts of Legion Legendaries with NONE of the good parts. Blizzard seems incapable of learning from their mistakes at this point. They literally did the exact opposite of what they should have done.

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

They can't even balance the current talent tree right and you want to add 108 new talents into the game?

[@connman8d617]

I think people need to slow their role with the doomsayer attitude. Expansions last two years and you're writing off an entire game system after 6 weeks? My criticisms of the Azerite system are many, but they're not so egregious that they cannot be fixed. Firstly, Azerite traits are boring. Easy fix, new content brings new Azerite gear with more dynamic and interactive traits. Secondly, Azerite gear is too rare. Easy fix, there should be a small chance to get an Azerite piece off of any Mythic plus. Lets say you're doing a Mythic+ that is supposed to reward 345 loot, there should be a chance to get a 355 Azerite piece. If you're doing a Mythic+ that rewards 360 loot, you should have a slim chance of getting 370 Azerite. So, while Azerite gear cannot warforge or titanforge, simply getting a piece of Azerite gear will almost always feel as good as getting a lucky titanforge. Simple and elegant solutions exist for the problems that plague the Azerite system; I'm not ready to call it a failure just yet.

[@FlesHBoX]

Connman 8d That's nice and all, except for the part where this video is about an official response from blizzard saying that they aren't changing things...

[@martinivanov1319]

next expansion LOL

[@FlesHBoX]

Re: the Ion/Lore statements regarding adding/removing traits. The BIG issue I have with what Lore says here is that Ion has NEVER been that guy who says something poorly. He is a VERY good speaker and has always been someone who selects his words very very specifically (it takes one to know one I suppose). When he says something, regardless of whether he is saying one thing while meaning another, or if he is being 100% plain and up front, when he says something, that is what he means. For Lore to come in afterwords and say "no that's not what he meant" says to me that the internal plan for azerite gear has changed in the time between what Ion said and what Lore said. This is fine. I have no issues with them changing plans. Maybe they decided that removing existing traits would cause even more upheaval for players (that is a legitimate concern, to be honest)... but by implying that we simply didn't understand what Ion said feels like they are trying to push responsibility onto US for these problems (something that is entirely too familiar with the last several communications from Blizzard regarding player concerns with BfA). THIS is my biggest issue with BfA. Not the azerite system, not the almost wholly terrible traits. Not the obvious carrot on a stick abusive tactics to encourage players to keep subbing.... But the general attitude coming from Blizzard that seems to be that WE the players are all just wrong, and that the problem with BfA is that we're not playing it correctly. I suppose they would just love it if we could all be good little players who just continue sticking quarters in to push a button and receive bacon. Oceania is at war with East Asia. Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

[@Xynth22]

Blizzard's response just shows how out of touch they are on this system and why we don't like it.

[@max417481]

It seems a poor system just to make new unexperienced players have fun for a few days

[@Xynth22]

Which is another issue with it as un-experienced players are probably just as confused about the system as we are. So they are helping no one with this system's current execution.

[@Icipher353]

I think they know, but there's not a lot they can do about it at this stage. The system is the centrepiece of the expansion, so they can't just scrap it and replace it in the middle of a tier. About the best we can hope for is a bit of an overhaul so it's not so frustrating not being able to farm for the Azerite traits you want. This expansion was doomed to mediocrity months before release, as everyone who played beta predicted. It very clearly wasn't ready, but had to be pushed out the door anyway, and we are now able to fully see all the cracks that we're hastily papered over for launch.

[@darkdemon653]

Something I found funny about "just farm multiple sets" thing that I haven't seen anyone mention is the fact that one of the big goals in WoD and Legion was to reduce the amount of gear players has to carry. That was the sole reason for why primary stats started switching with specs in WoD and why primary stats were removed on jewelry in Legion, and a big reason for the continued push to make secondary stats closer together in value for a given spec.

[@christiansvendsen6668]

I think that one of the best solutions would be to consolidate the powers to your neck piece. You would then be able to infuse your newly acquired shoulder, chest or head piece with the desired traits. Traits could either be obtained through drops, quests, reputation etc. so once you get it you don't have to farm the same trait again. Your neck piece would then feel more valuable/powerful, and an ilvl upgrade would always be an upgrade. You could end up having a system very much like runes in D3, where you can lock them for m+ but make it possible to change your traits according to the sittuation at hand.

[@lauramarx8098]

The purpose of the training is that you salivate when they ring the bell even after they stop giving you the food.

[@KokoplaysMB]

This!

[@Mazzemax]

The way I experience the world of azeroth is threw my class. If I dont enjoy my class It doesnt matter how good the raids are, how cool m+ is or how good any other content blizzard puts in the game is. Interesting and fun class design is fundamental for all other content, and in my humble opinion I think that's the worst part of the game at the moment.

[@libertyprime9891]

Same, I play solely for the tank role and have ten tanks across both factions, They just took a massive shit on all of them.

[@keast18]

At this point, I'm just looking forward to the moment when Blizzard expresses their collective regret and promises that they'll "do better". Pity that the time between now and then can't be expedited

[@midnyte_tv]

I want my artifact weapon back.

[@ew5971]

I just straight up quit playing

[@TheRobochicken5494]

MoP pvp fun server. Havent had so much fun in a while

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

Oh please god no. Azerite may be wonky, but it's so much better than Artifact Weapons.

[@TheRhysStreams]

OopsRuMad vastly incorrect. That's just a matter of pure grinding. and you could actually target the relics you wanted...

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

TheRhysStreams Of course you could because there was no risk involved whatsoever with artifact weapons. Just grind and get every single trait, no thinking required. Artifact Weapons also made players into unstoppable God's. Each individual player was more powerful than Kratos from God of War, which is just utterly stupid game design for an MMORPG.

[@opprimo3686]

I think that the best solution would be something along these lines (at least for dps): ALL neutral traits should be roughly the same for damage output with different flavors or bonuses (like the slow on Tidal) but perform a bit under the spec specific traits. ALL spec specific traits should outperform the neutral traits in their designed scenarios (AOE, cleave or single target), and should offer some kind of gameplay shift for that scenario. For example, the Sudden Onset trait for affliction increases effectiveness of affliction on multiple target, and offers a performance boost in the scenario but may not be best for single target.

[@fade9004]

Thank god you made a video on this. When I seen this I immediately thought "I hope preach responds to this".

[@maxwelldarman5356]

Lore's response was a big middle finger. Basically the system sucks, we know you don't like it, but we're sticking with Azerite. However, it was a response and I'm happy Blizzard communicated.

[@jvjd]

Lore is a CM not a Dev

[@everythingtaken3674]

was a big middle finger? ehm.. no?

[@ryno4ever433]

Finger sucks, but it's better than nothing.

[@RM-nf5eq]

maccajoe of course they "can" just pull the items out and replace with randomised stat pieces we can farm until they fix it. Is it perfect? Hell no! but whats the difference between just balancing the perks to the point that it doesnt matter what one you pick. I'd personally prefer to be able to target a haste heavy chest/shoulder/helm then just randomly receive one from my m+ chest and not care anyway.

[@mykulpierce]

@@jvjd exactly The CMs for this game have a rough job. Their role is to be that buffer between the Developers and the players. Not a way for players to give feedback to the Developers, but to try to get players to be relatively okay with the developers choices. Client success manager and other companies do the exact same thing.

[@thetruesir1003]

Just started the video, I already know it’s a banger.

[@TAVROSH]

cringy comment

[@sushisage4423]

Nobody at blizzard actually plays the game Confirmed.

[@roflstompin]

i bet they do, but they probably dont play as seriously as preach or people that sim for whats best. they probably play the game at a level thats somewhere around how they describe they intend people play. "neat, i got a azerite gear peice. *proceeds to pick any trait that their spec can use without looking anything up.*"

[@tyler151615]

Tim Justus I raid 2 days a week for 2 and a half hours and am only 2/8 heroic just about as casual as you can get without doing any end game content. Even I look up what trait is better because even I understand losing 800 dps from a trait isn't worth gaining like 100dps worth of stats.

[@freakindamnshiki]

tyler151615 that is not casual xD i don't have time to raid at all this is casual

[@sabersaurus7018]

Ysthisthens does but he gets so lucky with gear that he doesnt see the problems, I swear his every response is I got 4 upgrades last week I see no problem

[@SirMalorak]

Ion apparently is a mythic raider, but he never did even Pathfinder 1 and has like no reputations. Also plays Restoshaman so...Haha, good joke on that Blizz. Some ex-EJ dude tells me I won't min/max.

[@charlesmiller3725]

Hey Asmongold's chat, did you know you can use your Twitch Prime to get a free 30 day sub to your favourite streamer?

[@dc1999ful]

MCCONNELL STOP EATTING

[@Mr91Jmay]

*McConnell voice* TWITCHPRIMETWITCHPRIMETWITCHPRIMETWITCHPRIME

[@Ecliptor.]

MCCONNELL STOP EATING :( ZACK START EATING :(

[@GdotWdot]

I have nothing at all against the guy, but whenever I see his name I can't help but read it as "Assmongoloid" in my head

[@Joselopez-ix2nv]

Thanks sexy

[@cwilliams6884]

Blizzard: We want you to build multiple sets. Also Blizzard: You can't swap gear in M+

[@ericturner9458]

Swapping gear in m plus isn't even close to as important as the people who are upset about it would have someone believe.

[@TheDoomSheep]

Eric Turner Have you seen Xalzaix's Veiled Eye? Gear swapping would be invaluable if it were still available because of special items like that.

[@Cryenelol]

Would be cool if someone could get into an Activision quarterly meeting with the shareholders and explain to us what they really think about the current state of WoW. Feels like the Devs talking to us arent allowed to speak about certain subjects or are forced into very specific answers

[@butterflysrage]

GooglePlusBlows easy to do, just buy some stock

[@eecajledo8430]

The people that attend the Activation stockholder meeting have no idea what WOW is. Also if you went in there trying to speak they would not understand a dam word that is coming out of your mouth. You would have to have an analyst interpret what you are trying to say. But even then they( The boys on the Bord) would not have any context, Since they have no idea what wow is and probably have no idea what an mmo is ether. Kinda of like the old lady that owns Ford. She has not probably not driven a car since the 1960's and that is if she even ever did drive a car on her own in her lifetime.

[@Narusasu98]

They won't hear us, their heads are in the sand.

[@Legionthecomrade]

People complaining about negativity constantly or saying things along the lines of "These systems are fine, just ignore them" confuse the shit out of me. Things don't get fixed if you just mindlessly agree with every horrible change that happens. Nearly every time I see people complaining about the game it's because they want the game to be better. Edit: Forgot about this _"Food for thought: Getting a single desired piece of Azerite gear from the Mythic+ cache is less likely than getting a Warglaive to drop from Illidan, or Thori'dal from Kil'Jaeden, and all examples have a one-week lockout time."_

[@martinivanov1319]

true

[@nutsontheroad91]

Why did they streamline gear in WoD by removing the need for multiple sets (primary stat changing based on spec) and now they want us to have multiple sets in our bags again? Just summarises how the team have no fucking idea what they want to do with the game any more

[@stalok5963]

I facepalmed (after the response) so god damn I hard I couldnt feel my left leg

[@RadioUganda]

why are we here? just to suffer!?

[@connman8d617]

That's probably a stroke, you're gonna want to go to the hospital.

[@graveborne9983]

Yeah you facepalmed so hard you gave yourself a stroke! Could be a rew record.

[@stalok5963]

@@graveborne9983 thx Blizzard

[@jrzez]

Game is done for. They're so far gone now, so out of touch it's unreal. WoW isn't WoW anymore. Live is currently some kind of action game with some RPG elements to it now. Very console-game in feel. Professions suck, your character isn't special or unique, you havent learned new abilities in 20 levels, the enemies scale to your power. It's a load of garbage. Ion and his cronies are just idiots. This is coming from the devs that stated "You think you want it, but you don't." Never forget that. That's their motto to this day I'm positive in their offices. I hope that the current WoW team stays far the fuck away from WoW Classic, because that's the game people want to play. That is WoW. Live is some abortion of various console and mobile games mixed together and set on fire in a dumpster. Resist gear being compared to azerite? That person and everyone on his team needs to stay the fuck away from Classic. Fuck them.

[@zandermik]

jrzez Thank you!

[@Fmannen93]

Horde and Alliance being at full blown war again and a lot of references to WCIII makes me feel like this is the most "WoW" we've gotten in a few expansions now. Some systems does indeed suck though, but they don't ruin the entire game for me.

[@Cardan011]

jrzez I quit playing during start of MoP because what you wrote here for BFA I totally thought about MOP.... I returned to BFA recently because this expansion looked like closest thing to wow I liked

[@mattdayne2585]

And MoP was the last expansion I actually enjoyed despite all its downsides. WoD was fun until I got bored in my garrison. Legion was okay with my pruned class making gameplay boring and WQ became a chore. There was a lot of things to do in Legion which was great but some of the class changes and pruning really sucked the fun out of the game. Despite people praising it as some groundbreaking expansion, the class pruning ruined it for me, otherwise it may have been.

[@ExUSSailor]

You're exaggerating, A LOT. Fmannen93 hits closer to the mark. There are SOME systems that need to be re-vamped, or, simply removed to greatly improve the game. Professions certainly fall under that category, pet battles, the single most pointless thing added to the game in the 12 years I've played, and, IMO, the insufferably tedious rep grind to unlock allied races. Fixing those things would go a long way toward restoring some of what made WoW so special.

[@calebb7012]

Blizz killed the start of this xpac before it even really took off with the shill rng non spec "loot box" system that is in place. It just makes grinding for gear all the more frustrating. People have left in droves already.

[@spookylilghost]

the problem (imo) that they've landed themselves in w/ azerite armor is that in order for the system to make any sense in its current implementation is to do what they did - nerf the strong traits, buff the weak traits, and try to keep everything in line with eachother. this CAN be fun/interesting, but the current traits are far too bland to make it work. if, as a really bare-bones example, trait x increased my base dps by X% and trait y increased my attack speed by Y% but both ended up giving me the same dps advantage then i could choose one or the other depending on how i prefer to play the class (harder hits or faster hits). the problem with this, though, is it's quite idealistic - it assumes that they can actually balance all the traits against eachother while still making them unique. this problem will get progressively worse as the expansion goes on with new traits being implemented - it could be balanced out by removing old traits or not adding traits but CHANGING them, but both of those also come w/ their own slew of problems. essentially, as is, you can't fix the azerite system unless you overhaul it. like give everyone a base head/shoulder/body and let them choose their traits based on their azerite power - that way it would essentially work like a second talent system that could progress with you. that, however, is equally unrealistic as it would mean a lot of dev time to fix and it would take a lot less dev time to make every trait inconsequential. the end result is going to be exactly what they want, which is we ignore the system entirely and just chase higher ilvl pieces (which, imo, is better than when they're imbalanced and lower ilvl pieces can sim higher just due to stronger azerite traits).

[@joeldoxtator9804]

I don't even know what this game is about anymore. Are we supposed to even care about gear? It sounds like blizzard doesn't want us to care about gear and just use it as a tool for content. But then on the other hand, blizzard wants us to farm repeatable content to get said gear. There seems to be two ideologies that are at direct odds with one another that is now not only tearing the community apart, but also tearing the development team apart. It's like watching someone with split personality disorder.

[@Narusasu98]

So fucking true.

[@Arntor-kf9hi]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why Blizz has been on this "Anti-Cookiecutter" kick since Cata. There will always be a best option.. gamers will always find that best option and will always use that best option. It's a fact of life and there is literally no way to change that. One talent, trait, or buff will ALWAYS be mathematically superior and no matter how hard they try to hide that fact people will figure it out one way or another.

[@gametenor]

The problem with the azeriate traits were that they were only on for a very limited time at the end of the beta, you had the gear in game but no traits on them so they were not heavily tested by players on the ptr. I'm sure blizzz were aware of it of how bad it was but it was too late to change it so they kept quite about it since they already announced a release date.

[@Kaitaru89]

"I think we agree that re-farming traits doesn't feel great. I don't have a solve for that issue to share today, and to be completely transparent it may be something we simply have to accept as a downside to the system for other reasons." -It's almost as if blizzard thinks the playerbase is the one that has to "deal" with this. I can almost hear the sounds of millions of "click to cancel your WoW subscription" buttons being clicked right at this moment. I'm curious how much of a % of the playerbase drops off before its something blizzard has to "deal" with. Jokes aside at least Blizzard was able to be transparent with the community instead of leading the playerbase on, saved me a lot of time and money and for that I do have some more respect for them than I did leading into this expansion.

[@jayseibert3965]

I saw this coming so long ago. I've been playing WoW since Vanilla, a few months before TBC was released, and I have never been so bored and let down with an expansion. It only took 2 weeks of BFA for me to throw in the towel. I feel bad for those of you who are still stuck playing this crap, having trouble saying "NO, I am not enjoying this game and I choose to do something else". As I watch these vids showcasing the garbage of the expac I feel better and better in my decision. I do miss my raid team, but I won't waste my time with this game anymore. Thanks Preach, keep up the awesome videos! Much love from Canada.

[@uchnsn]

Lore's answer was very lackluster. really dislike this. first its clear they didn't look at the traits. they nerfed the top ones instead of buffing the lower ones to balance them out. and he said you should get MULTIPLE SETS. to make things work. but azerite items are VERY VERY SCARCE. making it even worse than legendaries where. at least with legendaries you could get 1~2 per week (not at the start of legion but later on) and once you got 1. you know you won't get it AGAIN. mean the only decent way to get azerite is the raid. M+ has TOO many items and the chance you'll get azerite gear is low. not only that its once a week. if a tier changes every 6 month by the time you COMPLETE 1 SET! the next tier will be up and you'll have to farm AGAIN! without having the chance to even enjoy the set you worked hard to get. you don't even have the time to actually see what your set does you already have to replace it.... even if there is a 'bad luck' protection over the weekly azerite drop. what guarantees i won't get the same azerite piece 5 times in a row? so lets take a 6 months per tier. thats 4 weeks per month so thats 6 month x 4 times you can get a weekly. so 24 CHANCES per tier. to get an azerite piece that might be absolute trash btw. but lets put that aside. so 24 chances to get 3 different azerite pieces that are needed to actually get a set going. so every dungeon on average has 10 items. we got 10 dungeons. so out of a pull of 100 items. you want to get 3/100 with only 24 chances to get a drop. UNLESS you raid. you are basically FORCED to raid to get azerite gear. not by choice but FORCED otherwise you can't progress in mythic+ either. so the raid if you can actually raid mythic gives you more chances to get a drop. so TL:DR this is legendaries at the START of legion when it took 6 months to get 1. and people had to make multiple alts to get a drop just to progress. ALL OVER AGAIN. but WORSE! sorry ion. THAT is not an answer. its just spitting in your communities face. rather tell us we got no idea what to do. we are working on it. i rather they just tank the whole system and put stats on them and be done with it if they got no idea wtf they are doing. go to any sim site like bloodmallet or herodamage. and look at the traits. there are still 3 dominant traits the rest are CLEARLY sub-par. so them stating before the launch of BFA that we can target the ones we want. is complete BS. i don't care if they are interesting or not at this point. i mind this is basically the same mistake they had with legendaries but some how made it worse. i expected them to learn from that. why make some thing so core to the current game and progression so scares and LIE about it by telling us we can aim for some thing on top of it all. i love wow i want to keep playing but i can't get my self to play knowing this. and even worse is this answer.

[@Nightstalker314]

Stop comparing it to legendaries. That system and items like this don't exist in BFA. Azerite Items are a mix of Relics and Set-items. Two actual advantages over the old "versions". They can be exchanged and don't vary too much (hoping they don't get rid of all the current stuff) over the course of an expansion. They also don't work as a band aid fix to baseline broken specs. That's what sets were doing from time to time.

[@nymri8537]

That's what is so crappy - they spoke against for so long - we don't want you guys to have to carry multiple amnts of gear - blah blah blah and what are we having to do??? Not even going to get started on them not putting a cap on reforging...Hate it too b/c I love WoW, it's been a huge part of my life, both for entertainment and for a bit of therapy and I don't even want to log into the game at this point b/c it just.....sucks. I wasn't excited about BFA, but was going to give it the whole hearted shot b/c it's WoW, it's what I love playing...but now I'm seriously considering not resubbing when my sub is up. I know me not doing so won't matter since they did that whole 180 day promo but meh...Why be miserable ingame when I can be miserable irl and not deal with it on a second level? (Btw, I'm not a hardcore mythic raider either - but even as a norm/heroic I am feeling the pain of falling behind b/c these dumbass traits aren't lining up, and I haven't gotten not 1 gear drop not ONCE since raid went live.)

[@uchnsn]

Nightstalker314 they actually do. most of the traits on the azerite gear is a must for some specs to push damage. so the only way to properly increase your DPS is to stack those. you got sites like bloodmallet and herodamage. go check them out and see for your self. what class/spec and what they need to stack and how big the difference is in damage. sadly i don't even know what healers or tanks have to deal with. but if the DPS state is like this i assume their's isn't any better. azerite is CORE in this expansion. its part of your build just like legendaries. but legendaries with their down sides had upsides to. the fact that azerite gear is to scarces to get and so core. and you got only 6 months of time before upgrades are due. means that only lucky few will actually attain their wanted set. not to talk about MULTIPLE sets that they think we need to aquire so we can fit many situations which will be basically impossible. legendaries you only have to get ONCE. once you get it you have it and you can just mix and match what fits where. meanwhile azerite gear is only from the raid or M+. so unless you do LFR/Normal/heroic/mythic EVERY WEEK. and M+ your chances to get azerite gear are slim. so not only you are basically FORCED to raid if you enjoy M+ and want to do it. you are also more dependant on RNG than ever. example. in legion if you did all the content. including clearly old raids doing normal Mythics. you normal would get at least 1 legendary. so just doing that without any additional raids/M+. you could get 1 legendary per week. since it had bad luck protection. you basically increase your chance to get one with every elite kill. every dungeon and so on. so assuming you get 1 per week. in 6 months you could basically get ALL your legendaries for your spec at least. including most of the generic ones which in turn made it even easier to farm for the off-spec legendaries. now in BFA. not only the raid traits are NOT great for everyone. they are the vast majority of your chance to upgrade. in M+ you don't have a guarantee that it will drop from the weekly chest. and alot of classes got their BIS in M+ take into account that you get 1 item per week. there are about 100 items (about 10 items per dungeon some got more some less so this is a roundup.) out of 100 you get only 1 per week. a TIER lasts 6 months. you got 6x4 = 24. you got 24!!! attempts per TIER to get 3 pieces of azerite gear that you need as upgrades. how are you suppose to get multiple sets? how are you suppose to get even 1? if you can some times get a month without a drop. not including the chances for multiple drops of the SAME ITEM. with some thing that is core to how you build your character in this expansion being this scares and so important it is the same as legendaries were at the beginning of legion. where drop rates where flatlined and some even bugged. people have to open multiple characters of the same class hoping to get their BIS legendary and who ever got it. thats the one they played. so you stating its not like legendaries is because you are either fanboy defending this. or you don't understand the system at all. they are basically the replacement of legendaries. even stated so by blizzard them selfs when they talked about BFA before it launched, that they basically replaced that with this. the only thing you mention is some thing i am not even addressing that they basically keep the same traits which is not important at all at this point. the fact you can barely get any is. if you got many chances to get azerite gear you can mix and match what works. they told us we can AIM for the ones we want....HOW?! how can we aim for the ones we want? 1/100 drop chance from the weekly chest. if the raid one is not good for me. its not worth the effort of trying to get one. since the 340 ones are just better. and if they nerf all the traits so the raid one will be better. then classes which the traits are worse are going to FALL BEHIND drastically. creating a power vacuum. of reroll to FOTM or unsubscribe basically. thats how bad it will be. azerite just like legendaries makes or breaks your class. if they want to make them so scares the least they could do is make it so they level up with the neck or be upgradable so you can get the one you really want and invest in it. and incase new ones come out that are better you are not totally behind.

[@shanegrayson7068]

I am guessing you didn't play during the release of Legion where most players were getting maybe 1 legendary a month at best.

[@thomasdr08]

I used to like Lore. I used to live on Elitist Jerks... I feel like a clown...

[@DahvPlays]

So glad I didn't get BFA. What a waste

[@Ghardyne]

Same here. Gonna sit this one out and wait for the next expansion in hope they give us set items, ml and other things back.

[@danialdunson]

I'm sure bfa will be fun in 6 months when catch up mechanics are in full swing

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

Nobody cares

[@MagnaGresh]

I did get it and enjoyed it at launch... then shit hit the fan.

[@dylanezell1423]

Waste of your time watching videos and complaining about a game you claim you don’t play? Yeah, you are.

[@CocoManiaDX]

If they don't want you to sim and change the Azerite traits, and they don't want them to give a significant DPS increase, then why even give us the option to change them? Why not have predetermined traits that actually matter on gear then?... WAIT! Wouldn't that just take us back to having Tier Sets? This entire system is pointless!

[@Senko13th]

The way they are choosing to balance azerite is only making us sim more, we now have traits that are purposely made worse if stacked as well as having completely different PvP values, setting aside the fact that we have no idea what proc rate/internal cooldown and uptime is for the majority of the traits without using out of game tools to assist. Absurd.

[@SwarmAM]

Completely agree! Josh used to do what Preach is doing in this video but now he’s got that blizzard money so he’ll sweep anything under the rug. Lost his integrity.

[@ZombieSlayerTakashi]

Don't lie you'd do the same lol

[@tyler151615]

Tomme991 I would bet anything Preach makes more money on youtube/twitch than he would from Blizzard.

[@Silverstreak3984]

This is such a dumb comment. It's not lost integrity. Blizzard employs him, they sign his pay check. His comments and posts of this magnitude are still vetted by a supervisor, probably Ion.

[@TheRealLink]

Also Preach, great job in dissecting down each of the points and rebutting them coherently.

[@davidm6329]

I agree with almost everything you said, but almost everyone seems to be misunderstanding what Lore said about interesting traits vs defacto simming requirement. He's not saying that needing to sim in the current system makes the current traits interesting. He's saying that if they were to make traits more interesting, they would still require simming. It's a fundamental flaw of having a trait system on gear you are expected to replace. The only way to not require simming is if they make all of the traits completely equal. You can either have interesting traits with required simming, or uninteresting traits with no required simming. You can't have interesting traits with no required simming. That is, unless you go back to the Legion model where you just keep the same traits throughout the expansion. But that would require removing the azerite system altogether, and they're kind of committed to it at this point.

[@jchoi2900]

David M but right now we have uninteresting traits with required simming

[@michaela.segarra461]

X dps azerite trait makes your boom boom better... "That's all you need to know have a good day"- Blizz

[@_faythene]

Such an easy solution to this. They dont intend farming different azerite pieces. Then make the azerite traits the same as the legion weapons, where you can build into every trait with your artifact power. And artifact power is tied to the necklace not the armour slots so this doesnt lock out dual specs. Done. Stop complaining blizzard about difficulties in balancing.

[@andrascsolosz7712]

Exactly, I thought, that the new system will be exactly like this, but no:S

[@dcshoes841]

NR farming was fun. That Noxxion trinket that dispelled a poison effect on use. Also, NR gear came from plenty of sources that were not level 30 dungeons. Green Dragon world bosses, green dragonscale set, etc.

[@RawkL0bster]

Blizzard doesn't even ask why you unsub when you do now. Not even a "give us on a scale from 1 to 10, how likely are you to resub in the future", they don't want to hear from players anymore.

[@BooDooo]

I'm not going to lie, all these problems with the current expansion really makes me want to play burning Crusade or Wrath of the Lich King again. Even vanilla. I know vanilla had plenty of flaws, but at least the way it work was far more simplistic than this.

[@acousticnoisemachine]

Sad to see. Honestly, I cancelled my sub after this response, as it seems increasingly clear that this is one of those WoD-type expansions where stuff is just pushed out with poor design/implementation and overall apathy on the developer's side to address player's concern. I'll resub when content that's going to carry over to future expansions is launched (ie - new allied races) or maybe when more raids are launched (just kind of binge the content once more stuff is out). But I just don't find the game engaging enough right now to carry on and when the developers seem equally apathetic, what's the point of sticking around? Part of me is starting to buy into conspiracy theories that they're actively making the live game worse to make the launch of "Classic" more appealing, like the "Coke, New Coke, Coke Classic" debacle of the 80s.

[@dime4026]

No you didnt

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

QuestWorthy That seems like such a waste though. Everyone already knew that the launch of classic would be way better even if the game was still Legion.

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

Bye

[@acousticnoisemachine]

Aging jedi I did! Expires October 14. Granted, I was already considering it because, again, just sort of "meh" on the expansion as a whole. If it wasn't clear from the original post, I'm not in a rage or anything. I'm just not having fun and if the devs can't even get excited about a core system (ie - just sort of saying "it is what it is, deal with it because it's not changing"), it kind of tells me things aren't going to get drastically better anytime soon.

[@TheNacropolice]

I can also somewhat understand the devs, imagine: your whole company is defined, or at least was for a long time, by one game. WoW probably killed countless possible project ideas because of its size

[@MorgQ7]

When they announced azerite gear I figured it would be a fairly limited number of peices that you would only be able to get from mythic and M+ dungeons as well as rated pvp and raids with the higher the challenge is the higher the Ilvl of the peice that way you could target the Azerite gear.

[@aureliabackup7313]

What the dev just said about "Balance being at odds with interesting traits" is a complete load of manure!!!! They can make balanced traits that are interesting and change your rotation, for example like many talents do, legendaries did, set bonuses did, artifact traits did. They just need to make the traits interesting and then tune them so their effective power is on the same level. Total nonsense, untrue.

[@KingCurt]

aurelia eavum after playing legion I can’t see how anyone can enjoy this game right now. They managed to gut all the interactive class design choices that they made in legion and replaced it with one shitty system. Did they really think that the removal of Artifact weapons, tier sets, and legendaries would result in a smooth launch ?

[@OakenTome]

aurelia eavum Some of the legendaries were quite unbalanced. Fire mage required specific legos to be remotely useful.

[@LilianOrchard]

"We're just going to stop you reforging." Better idea: Let us reforge for free, anywhere, as long as we're out of combat.

[@Eleriol84]

Ive never been so angry with Blizzard as i am regarding the azerite system. Absolute garbage and the attitude they take towards the community about this is infuriating. The system is horrible and to add insult to injury its incredibly hard to get the armor pieces. Christ this is a mess.

[@baseballfan4877]

16:00 yep leaving out crucial information.. I went and checked the azerite tuning. Everything is down to the percent.. but then i run across the "(Assassination) Sharpened Blades: The benefit of having multiple copies of this trait active is reduced." LIKE BY HOW MUCH BLIZZARD? Is it to a point that I wouldnt take 2 traits of that... or would it still be worth...

[@MapleSyrup666]

My subscription is finishing in 7 (or 8, can't remember exactly) days. I am not renewing. I am tired of this half assed expansion. I miss Legion and BfA is an absolute nightmare. I'll look at if I'll come back for 9.0, but there's no hope for this expansion.

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

Bye

[@yuriblyat376]

No one cares

[@CosmicCleric]

@@yuriblyat376 I care.

[@Tarteh]

Im curious why you miss Legion when the grind was much more tedious and missing out on BiS legendaries was much more detrimental than the best azerite traits.

[@MOo8996cz]

TT I dont know about the grind being more tedious with for example the current island expeditions or world quests giving me hardly +0,5% to the next HoA level. But either way at least in Legion there were actual benefits you´d get from the grind and there was no risk. I have no motivation to grind artifact power or gear in BfA. Legion didnt feel this empty at all and it was more fun.

[@sudhirbapat1522]

I think the best to way to save the Azerite armor is have the rings change by Spec. That way there can be real choice given to a user by Spec and chances of the trait you want being there will be higher as there will be 3-4 of the same spec present. You change the spec and the rings change for that spec.

[@warnation2229]

Simply put ... I'd be happy if it was all class traits. Period. At least those traits fit the character being played. Make those ones not shitty and I'd be happy.

[@genultz4866]

They need to add, and I can't believe the words coming from me, they need to add the tooltip info from WoD for instance a trinket that procs strength would have in parenthesis (Approximately 0.92 procs per minute) it's minimal and gets the point across to how often the ability or proc will be of use.

[@Mitia_k]

Why cant we go back to the wotlk system???

[@rogoth01themasterwizard11]

because everyone who worked on the game from that era has long since gone, and nobody is left how knows how to actually design anything like that.

[@zachhudson3137]

Well back then they had the token system which allowed us to buy the gear that we needed/wanted when the RNG system failed for us. Which made monthly subs not as often, and yes I know the WOTLK was the highest sub count for WoW, but blizz is looking for the long haul. Which means, they'll just make it an RNG system, which means you'll probably play longer, and therefore keep paying for next months sub. It's kinda funny how it's back firing in their face with Azerite gear tho

[@krim7]

Rogoth01 The Master Wizard What are you even talking about? They use this system for Timewalking. The reason we do not use this system is because it makes it too fast for players to gear up. After the subs plummeted in WoD, the game's goals changed from "total number of subs" to "Time Played". So the goal changed from making content people could enjoy for as long or as short as they want, to a system that is engineered to make people play more. One of the easiest ways to make people play more is to remove ways to gear up that involve players conciously earning currency and buying what they want. Instead, you replace that system with RNG, which means people are forced to play more, for longer, to earn the rewards they want/desire.

[@ranger7827]

"No king rules forever my son..."

[@James_Johnson79]

Probably the best thing they could do would be to add a panel in the character or azerite screen showing exactly what abilities were boosted & how strong they are. Right now we don’t know what’s stacking, if doubling up a proc doubles the damage or proc rate, or how powerful the traits are.

[@David-ux5wn]

Another reason why azerite gear is worse than AQ40 nature resist gear is that with Maraudon you knew what kind of equipment you eventually would get. With azerite armor it is completely random if the traits are actually usable or good....

[@stevenharkema5456]

I don't know why they don't just double down on the system. Make each azerite peice spec specific at first. Give each spec 5 choices on an outer ring (AOE, ST sustain, ST burst, Utility, Defensive). Make the 2nd ring passives and inner ring utility. Allow people to respect the armor as needed. That way it's an extension of your talents and you have all the choices. Item level is less relevant and you can respec at will. Feasibly you'd just need 2-3 sets for each character and you would have lots of choices.

[@lj1653]

You think you want set bonuses back, but you don't

[@Rabdure]

Uhm, yeah I do. You don’t speak for me, thanks.

[@Djdaniel77]

I honestly think that would fix part of the problem with ilvl vs ag traits.. maybe they could go back to relics for traits too and slot them in the gear..

[@BDCMatt]

swoosh, thats the sound of a joke flying over your head.

[@zevahc3928]

Azerite Armor should work like Legendaries did in Legion, but without all the RNG. The traits should change your playstyle in a fun and interesting way that makes your dps, healing, or survivability better than without it. They should balance it to where picking your spec-specific trait can give you better dps, healing, etc if executed properly and your generic traits should be slightly lower, but easier to play or more forgiving if not executed correctly. The fact that they want you to make different sets seems to directly go against what they've said about not changing gear in mythic+. Just absolutely ridiculous.

[@angelm2755]

Lore is disgusting and condescending for that response. I read it yesterday and it immediately rubbed me the wrong way. He shouldn’t respond anymore to player concerns

[@Noolore]

Preach I got something completely different from this post. For you it was "don't care about traits, they're all the same, it doesn't matter". For me, it came across more of "The traits ideally should not have a large dps difference, allowing you to pick what you want and play how you want". I like this. I play Unholy DK and depending on what traits I pick, I'll pick different talents to utilize those traits more. More traits being usable makes more playstyles available to me. I can play how I want.

[@xanasago]

In my 14years of WoW I had alot of frustrating moments, ups and downs, but also alot of good times. Since Cata I often took a little pause from WoW and played other games and fall back in love with what WoW had to offeren even with alot of changes. But I never felt anger and I am simply stunned about how disconnected they are from the problem or are trying to play it down. Do they think somehow it plays out and keeps player in the game if they have to grind more for their gearsets and ap? It makes me question my sanity if I keep playing the game...

[@Tarteh]

xanasago You surely questioned your sanity at the start of Legion then, right?

[@xanasago]

TT in terms of legendarys I atleast was able to farm for it and there was an end even if it was months away. And if you got it I was allowed to keep it. But to be fair as holy paladin the legendarys weren't as impactful as for dps. And AP I could farm and didn't have to do content without other meaningful rewards or at least fun. But everything I got I got to keep and even if the legendary wasn't BiS I was happy because it got useful attributes.

[@wilsonward9217]

They arent going to make traits more interesting. We can have boring traits, we just need them to change which talents you use. The deadshot traits in outlaw for example pushes you to use the pistol shot talent in lvl 1t talents, while something like the snake eyes could make the weaponsmaster trsit more lucrative. The problem is that the pistol shot talent is still the best for both traits, all traits even. It would be nice to be able to target traits that let you use talents you want.

[@wilsonward9217]

I just want to say also...we ALL said these traits werent going to cut it. And blizz shit in out mouths.

[@Darkrocmon]

But deadshot isn't our beat trait anymore and it made the rotation different like every trait should be doing.

[@wilsonward9217]

Darkrocmon Yeah I agree, lol. I guess I am not sure where you are going with that statement.

[@Darkrocmon]

@@wilsonward9217 what do you not understand? That deadshot dropped down in terms of azerite traits or that it changed your play style? With even one piece of deadshot you use BtE as a spender same as having RP up from RtB, so even without RP you use BtE therefore changing our priority list, other classes don't get things that change how they play which all classes should because azerite was supposed to replace tier, legendaries, netherlight crucible, and artifacts

[@codypettigrew9972]

The wow community is like a beaten step-child that enjoys the pain. Why do content creators always let blizzard off easily? Two people in particular have such a blizzard bias it's like they work for them directly doing damage control. If you truly love the game wouldn't you want it to get better? Speak up and quit letting shit slide and buying into the 'hurry up and wait' mentality Eon Jazzycoaster preaches.

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

I don't think any of this criticism is constructive at this point. People are basically just venting at any Blizzard employee that dares to talk to the community.

[@johnathanera5863]

@@Doctor_Tumnus yeah. And it nakes sense that the developers would choose to block it out and do what they want. But unfortunately there are real and substantial design problems in this expansion and amongg all the shit throwing theyre not even paying attention to the issues

[@xenonecromera]

I'm guessing those two people are Taliesin and Evitel :P? Watching those two is fascinating because I like to see what shite they can come up with to spin every poor decision as a positive.

[@ericosborne6388]

@@xenonecromera Agree... I love them but they are kiss asses

[@martinivanov1319]

Thomas Shepard the time for constructive criticism passed. they didnt listen to ANY OF IT. not in beta, not since release. they dont care what their players want. now is the time to give them a reminder who pays their fucking salaries

[@luketfer]

I'll stick by what quite a few people said on the Reddit AMA. That is that Ion basically said don't bother with future expansions until they're in the X.3 state, nearly finished and everything is much easier to do since all the timegating is removed since they're planning for their Grand Schemes.

[@kamedo1]

I'm guessing it's not just me but I find azerite in general incredibly boring. Not just armour and traits the whole thing even the story is so dull to me. Going from this mythical weapon with tonnes of lore a new skill changes to current skills to this is just so demotivational I don't even look at traits any more. If you want me to do extra damage build that into my stats not shitty traits.. traits should change me/my abilities

[@kamedo1]

Also, if they don't want us reforging then why bother having us select traits just give me a piece of gear that gives me +crit and move on they can't make any decent traits that change abilities if they don't want us to reforge. The system is broken and full of contradiction. We want you to feel interested in these traits. But if we make more than one trait interesting then you'd have to reforge and we don't want you to do that.. so all traits are boring. Pointless system

[@Tarteh]

Lightbringer is cool n all but it's a little dull and weak compared to having the essence of possibly the strongest Titan in the universe in your necklace.

[@Narusasu98]

Same

[@burkaanc]

about reforging - it does make some sense, most people will get 1~3 sets, 1 dps, 1 pvp, 1 for 2nd spec at best, probably wont bother even with that and run 1 set, hardcore players will get multiple sets, limiting access to them 1st adds more farming for them, 2nd reduces their advantage of having best set for every occasion against normal people

[@Loomx5]

Clean your room Zach

[@tamn4094]

I want to add that if they really wanted us to create multiple sets and collect azerite gear to build them... why didn't they come up with an azerite storage cache to throw all of them in? Or a user-friendly UI tab to make it easy to keep track of what we have?? My Azerite Armor is taking up one whole 30 slot bag and may overflow with more as I continue to acquire more, new or old.

[@harrisonpayne1179]

Wants us to farm multiple sets for different scenario's. Removes gear-swapped in M+ as it caused people to farm gear for different scenario's. Ex de lul.

[@Clouds23x]

I don't know why they just didn't put all those traits into the neck UI. Same as I wondered why Legion's Legendary abilities weren't put into some kind of relic like slots into Artifact Weapon. Something like old Glyphs or something.

[@koendelaat6999]

to watch it now, or wait for Asmongold reacts

[@superpudd1]

Do Both

[@TheDanzielDK]

He's watching it right now.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

*Pause* "Yeah." *Pause* "I actually agree with this." *Pause* "Uh huh." *Pause* "This is important because-"

[@ajax2811]

I feel like what can help with the sims is a change to the sim program itself. Make it to where you can just sim any gear and or traits to see what it is best and save gold on reforge.

[@MrSephal]

oy preach, why you always dying tho ?

[@tehm0rgu3]

"OH YOU GUYS SHOULDVE BEEN THERE IN VANILLA, THAT WAS BAD" Ty for the response, Lore

[@NotGoingCrazy]

Why is the community manager discussing this? And not the main developers?

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

Because it's the community manager's job to talk with the community. It's the developer's job to work on the game. You really want devs going through forum posts instead of making/fixing content?

[@jerekkimble1079]

Thomas Shepard honestly I don’t think I’d trust this Dev team with either

[@Doctor_Tumnus]

@@jerekkimble1079 You must be popular on reddit.

[@dontfearthestinger]

@@Doctor_Tumnus You must be fun at parties.

[@redhiney6666]

I like the class and spec specific traits, I don’t care what’s optimum! like the 25% chance to proc incinerate off of chaos bolt, and the one that buffs chaos bolts when your drop the infernal. That shit is cool. I want more of the play style addition than the generic random damage proc

[@christianlenz2614]

tbh, if ur a raider 5-10% dps difference is ALOT

[@TheRedRedKroovy]

To me, this is all a serious build-up of a problem I've had with Blizzard for a long time now. At some point going in to Cataclysm, they really started ramping up on telling US how WE should be enjoying and playing their game, and much less about building a system and just letting us fuck with it however it pleases our little hearts. Back in say, Burning Crusade, it felt like they had a clear design direction for how they WANTED us to play the game, but then all of a sudden "oh fuck they're using Warlocks to tank Archimonde" and "Oh fuck those rogues are reaching 100% chance to dodge attacks" and they just let us do it. THAT was fun to me.

[@Lyactvmtb]

Hola preach! If they want us to have different sets, then why are we not allowed to swap gear sets in mythic plus? Does not make any sense what so ever

[@pmkaboo2446]

because they want you to treat the entire dungeon as one encounter.

[@xenonecromera]

pm kaboo That makes it significantly less fun for people who want to push high keys. Being able to come up with builds for certain encounters is fun and satisfying. Actually gives you a real use for gear you'd otherwise never use.

[@russellmedeiros7927]

While the azerite system has been wonky I have been mostly fine with it, but i'm not raiding outside of lfr and not doing mythic+ yet... what should've happened was you unlock different traits at certsin azerite levels. You could chose 3 or 4 of them that only worked with the neck piece. Kinda like how the talents for Warmode works. Then we wouldn't need to worry about grinding out 3 pieces of gear with traits we wanted.

[@Pompin]

Hey look another Asmongold video

[@TheCcraM]

Keep up the good work Mike(and Ghostie if present)! At this point I honestly don't know wether to laugh or cry at this whole situation that is BFA. Atleast we get a peek at the Classic demo at Blizzcon.

[@Meusberg]

Just unsubbed. Can’t wait for classic

[@SplatterRaptor]

On top of you points about having multiple sets; I believe they think they solved this by having many of the non-spec specific traits as the top traits to take e.g. Laser Matrix, dagger in the back, etc so you dont have to worry about changing your tier 1 choice if you swap between say assass and sub. However, this then goes against the philosophy of patching the hole left by the Legion systems (Artifact traits, legos, tier sets) as these have 0 impact on game play. In what way is 'balancing' the traits so that you dont need to sim them a good thing? Surely the best choices should be, say from a rogue perspective, shrouded concealment which has a direct impact on my rotation, not a passive which I have no control over.

[@joelgerada7608]

i was here before asmongold reacted

[@footballjb28]

Great stuff, been enjoying your content!

[@superpudd1]

I originally thought that the community was being extremely toxic with how the overall feedback was being handled and overall am still having fun, but man, come on! Lore just took a big steamy shit on everyone, not just those being toxic and generally trashy. This is very reminiscent of how Rian Johnson and the other Disney folks handled the backlash from Ep 8. It just doesn't bode well for them, which in turn, doesn't bode well for those of us that love this game. P.S. Asmon is bald and McCuckle is fat.

[@jorickthekek2660]

I don't get what people are complaining about. I look for my best simming Azerite gear and sim myself for upgrades. I've always done this since Legion and I'll continue to do it. If I get an upgrade that's that. If I don't, I don't. Also the argument of Azerite needing to be really good without simming is completely moot as a large portion of the casual player base, which is the majority of players in WoW atm, don't really care what they get. They see a cool looking item and equip it.

[@saphrix4587]

It’s so nice of you to provide content for Asmonbald’s stream.