Legion to BfA - Final Thoughts on the Mistakes

[@Runenschuppe]

"Blizzard used to design the games they wanted to play. Now they design the games they want to sell."

[@julienorsomething]

I've just been mindlessly scrolling and liking random comments. This made me stop and think, it's so damn true :(.

[@MrRocklizard]

very true.

[@xsveron1287]

so true

[@shehran6936]

Not true. They're not going to sell much in the long term. If people unsub because the game's bad = less money

[@Liisjak]

It's too bad they ended up designing games we don't want to buy as shown by their stock free fall.

[@zXHipoXz]

Rest in peace class design.

[@Evirthewarrior]

Bring the player not the generic tank/dps/healer template.

[@QuickestGames]

Would love to get back classes as they where pre-legion, where there where still general spells for a class.

[@z-genji8639]

QuickestGames I wouldn’t

[@Anonymous-mp2ln]

@@QuickestGames Pre - Mists of Pandaria. That is when we lost the old talent system.

[@libertyprime9891]

At the age of four my grandfather passed away due to lung tumors, And after it happened my grandma spoke to all the young members of the family telling us stories about how he got there due to smoking, And pleaded us to never get caught in that world. Twenty years later i regret never touching a cigar, Because BFA tanking gave me cancer anyway.

[@svart_kors]

This video is dead on. Pay heed Blizzard. Maybe it's time to take those "top" developers off your stupid phone games and put them back to what built your company in the first place.

[@popojaga7312]

@Kevin Jackson and hire gamers to design games

[@whiskeyjack02]

They outsourced Diablo Immortal to another studio.

[@xxinda]

@@whiskeyjack02 Diablo franchise. "In terms of Blizzard's approach to mobile gaming, many of us over the last few years have shifted from playing primarily desktop to playing many hours on mobile, and we have many of our best developers now working on new mobile titles across all of our IPs," said Adham during a BlizzCon 2018 press conference. Google it if you want to find sources, there are many.

[@pldcanfly]

@@xxinda If I had to implement the system that went into bfa and to prune classes to death, I'd rather do mobile games as well. Maybe it is time for a new generation of people at blizzard. People that are actually passionate, and not only say that to a camera.

[@brandonsanders2767]

should've never hooked up with activision. all that company knows how to do is sell the same garbage game over and over every year.

[@tawnos1787]

The whole thing about Master Looter being removed because of abuse is a massive smoke screen. Master Looter was removed to artificially slow the gearing process by forcing players into the utterly inane ilvl loot locking system of Personal Loot, in the hopes of increasing player retention by ensuring that they can't get the gear they want efficiently.

[@raphael2407]

...which causes even more frustration and backfires hard because after a while of never getting anything you want/need, you quit. It's only a game after all and if the game plays BS on me without end, why waste my time with it....

[@tawnos1787]

@@raphael2407 It's not just ML either. Everything about BFA just screams player retention. Having to regrind the same Azerite traits over and over (and Blizzard's baffling response to criticism about this, basically saying "tough, deal with it"), the 3 week "grace period" at the beginning of the xpac that wasn't at all designed to keep players subbed to avoid that 2nd month dropoff (yes, that was sarcasm), locking Azerite gear behind a weekly RNG loot crate....the list goes on and on. This is what happens when you care more about your shareholders than your player base. And yes, Ion, I am taking a very negative, critical stance on BFA. Because you're given me little reason not to.

[@lustreaux]

yep, it's obvious when you consider things like getting 1 less bonus rolll per week and no raid loot from the mission board anymore. another thing that baffles me is how they handled azerite from emissary quests. i was excited when they announced you'd be able to get it reliably from emissaries, but then disappointed again when i realized you could only get pieces from ONE dungeon from that emissaries' respective zone. who decided this? WHY? this means that since i am horde then there is no way to get any azerite from alliance zone dungeons, which is where most of the dungeons are. i can only get honorbound pieces which are pvp items. even though there are 3 dungeons in zul'dazar, i can only get pieces from atal'dazar. no motherlode and no king's rest.

[@MetaL556]

If you think about it, BfA absolutely REEKS of corporate meddling. They obviously know they can't add money-paid lootboxes and p2w gear to the game, so they're trying to squeeze all the money out of the players through forceful attempts at extending our subs, in ANY way they can. Starting with the obvious like GCDs on everything, following up with further slowing the game down by reducing effectiveness of Haste, locking everything they can get away with behind timegates and random chance, and going all the way down to things not many people care about that much, like slightly more steep mob scaling and higher XP requirements(which they are rolling back a bit for the lower levels in 8.1 - I assume as a form of damage control and to pretend they are fixing the game), or even the trash-infested dungeons that are usually a chore to clear through(and some of them are a nightmare in Mythic+ to the point where people either don't bother or make obscene demands). They never listen to beta feedback, because they had a plan laid out by the higher-ups as to what the direction of the game is meant to be, and that plan likely goes forward for years, and the devs can't stray away from the main agenda without risking their heads. They are most definitely aware of all the problems the game has, and possibly can't do much with them without someone higher being convinced that they need it to keep the sales up.

[@Jormungrandrserpent]

ironically that does the opposite, if players cannot set goals and reliably gear up, they find less and less reasons to login because they have no goals to achieve and thus no incenstive to do the world quest treadmill. IMO the titanforging system for gear is horrible as gear drops are all random so getting gear that you need is a literal crap-shoot. I think they need to bring back the badge systems from TBC and Wotlk; an intermediate currency like badges to get loot you want would allow players to set goals on gear and Blizz could deflate or inflate prices dynamically to control gear progression as needed.

[@roberttaylor7423]

Bfa... It's like Legion, but with all the good bits removed.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

Yes, and the shit not removed.

[@styxzero1675]

Couldent have said it better myself.

[@XAntssX]

Legions early patch was equally shit if not even more than BFAs.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@deenman23 Sure, but then they messed that up by not allowing you to get AP outside of WQs and island expeditions. Blizzard is just straight up forcing me to play content I don't like for me to be able to play content I do like. @XAntssX I didn't play arms warrior at the beginning of Legion, and wasn't that aware of their design philosophy, but I find it hard to believe that early Legion was that fucked. In BfA, they said that they just wanted higher ilvls to be an upgrade, so they wanted every spec to be able to use every stat, even if some are better than others. They even reduced the amount of secondary stats to achieve this. Then, for some reason, they decided that arms warriors could not profit from mastery. This meant that LITERALLY half the items you got were useless, because they only had one secondary stat on it. Someone looked at this and thought "This fits into our design philosophy". They had to buff the benefit of mastery by a factor of ten to make the stat ok, though still quite a bit worse than crit. Someone greenlit that.

[@beo191]

legion didnt have any good bits

[@taffy4486]

I won't do content without a reward. Anymore. I'd have done it in MoP and prior simply because I loved playing my Shaman. Now every spec plays like crap and I won't do it for nothing.

[@Rivexd]

This.

[@TheMMObro]

I'm enjoying my alt paladin but the reason id bc it's not too diff than it was in legion which is kinda the point

[@taffy4486]

@Justin McCray I do play warlock, and affliction is as braindead as everything else.

[@fredrick1176]

Only specs that feel decent are fury warrior and either DH. Both with good haste rating feels great. But in BFA they made mastery and versatility on everything and then some lmao.

[@hainez14]

Never forget lightning bolt while moving.

[@Fyrlink]

This is what happens to a game once defined by passion becomes defined by a greed for profit, and it’s been an obvious flop. So unbelievably sad.

[@Invhytas]

No comment on the class design, which is the worst part about BfA or any addon whatsoever. FeelsBadMan

[@Cheesite]

Totally agree, for Legions problems at least the classes were fast-paced and more interesting than BFAs itterations

[@karlzone2]

Most BfA critiques apply to Legion as well, except for the one of class design. Class design is legitimately just worse in BfA, and definitely did its part in making people burn out of the game really fast. Not to say that class design was fantastic Legion either (still better though), what with all the random abilities and filler artifact abilities that did nothing except add bloat to all specs.

[@someguy3508]

@@karlzone2 idk man with the launch of nighthold elemental shaman was so much fun to play, it reminded me of late MoP and wotlk. It was amazing. When i played ele in BFA beta i was disgusted and i still can't play it. They might aswell remove shamans. They were never top tier but atleast they were always ones of the most fun to play classes. Now it's just dull. I played shaman since TBC and it's the first time i got bored of it. Also warlock, my first main is unplayable. They need to rethink their strategy or else this game might actually die. It has such a loyal audience and yet they managed to lose us. I hope they fix things because WoW is just an amazing game with the best community

[@karlzone2]

Honestly, I think I'm lucky by the fact that my main specs (feral and resto druid) actually feel better in BfA compared to Legion. It's just that almost all other specs in the game are worse. I love the fact that BfA actually brought back triage healing, and reduced the stupid amount of smart heals that you couldn't control that would heal people up all on their own. Probably my favorite iteration of Resto overall, maybe tied with Cataclysm. At the same time I love that they slowed down feral, so it would actually become an interesting spec again, instead of being spammy as hell. Feral is still far worse than in MoP, but I doubt they'll ever bring that back now that M+ is so important to the game. I never like specs that have such a ridiculous focus on multi-target damage such as Elemental shaman, so I wouldn't know how fun it was during Legion. Specs that can only shine on AoE fights feel so worthless on 90% of fights, so they frustrate me. Didn't ele shamans have that stupid artifact ability where you'd suddenly do like five times your normal AoE damage?

[@gorrevisor]

@@karlzone2 3 times as much. They also made it into a talent. I also love Feral design, have 0 utility and only being able to do M+ keystones around 3 levels lower than what my gear would allow otherwise. So cool. Also, have you ever played Guardian? It's a joy, so much better than Feral. It will only penalise me by 2 M+ levels. But Retribution Paladins are just a whole new tier. Having 5 abilities: 3 of them deals damage ~20% of my total; 1 is 80% and I got 1 AoE that I can use every 8 seconds. So good, mmmm.

[@hirgurd9845]

Thank you, Preach. This is exactly what i feel about BfA.

[@beckettsnedeker-short3461]

This is a brilliant review. The "there are too many bitter, twisted gamers across all games, and catering to them has never worked" line was a great way to put it.

[@Glardok]

This is the most brilliant editorial you have ever written. Well done.

[@LXXVIIZONE]

The best thing I ever did was to stop playing bfa...it seems hard at first but trust me after a week you do not miss this game.

[@sulimanz7067]

totally agree lol

[@bigfreize]

BfA is making that decision for me. I was never one who looked forward to classic, but I find myself getting more excited to play. Maybe a nice long break will refresh me.

[@dirtymike7290]

Same I went super try hard at launch which made it difficult to not play since I felt like I invested too much time to stop playing. But I'm glad I did, especially after watching this. Now I sit and wait for classic

[@KhamStronk]

I didn't miss it right after uninstalling anymore, since I finally felt freed from a huge burden and constant chore and finally being able to play other games again. What I missed and still do are the people I used to play with and the sense of immersion and joy I had when playing The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King. The game isn't the same anymore and I'm not the same anymore.

[@dirtymike7290]

@@KhamStronk I concur

[@ClearlyDeaf6]

The issue is to me that BFA is focusing on the superfluous elements of the expansion without addressing the two main issues in the game right now. There is content out there to be done. There is a wealth of content that you could easily lose yourself in. But it's not enjoyable and people don't want to do it. Why? Because the classes have taken a humongous step backwards since the end of Legion. Whoevers idea it was that we lose Legendaries, Artifact Weapons, Tier sets and compound that with the GCD change probably needs to be fired. To go from a place where the game had such a nice flow during Legion, where every class felt different and had its own flavour to the homogenised, slow paced snore fest we have now is completely unforgivable. There are no replacements for many of the things we had in Legion, as an Assa Rogue I used to have Vendetta on a reliable 1 minute CD where I knew I'd be trying to max out the damage I could do for that period with the fresh regen I got from pressing it. Now? I get Vendetta every two minutes, can't single global it with TB or KB because of GCD. The difference is startlingly bad. The second issue is the rewards system, in Legion, for as bad as Legendaries were, they kept people in the game. You always had something to aim for and farm because you wanted something in the game, the carrot was there, similarly artifact power felt tenuously more powerful than Azerite because atleast at the beginning it changed the way you played, or gave you obvious bonuses. The reward system in BFA is awful and the way players interface with the game is such a massive step down from Legion that it is an insult. Everything else is a problem stemming from these problems. Until that is changed, BFA will never recover. You can put as much content as you want into this game right now, it will change nothing, the game itself is busted and the superfluous changes in 8.1 really don't tackle these issues.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

They just removed half the game going from Legion to BfA, and reintroduced it, claiming it was new content. Artefact traits are now azerite armor traits, you just have way fewer at a time now. The RNG fuckfest of Legiondaries is now the RNG fuckfest of getting the right azerite armor. AP is now AP (though you are now allowed to play more than one spec). The 54 trait grind is now the whatever it takes to max your current armor grind, and this still has to be done over again with every new content patch. MoS grinding is now island expedition grinding, just that you are punished by actually losing traits if you don't do it. Invasions are coming back, but I have no doubt that they will somehow find a way to make it suck. The shit that they should have removed, like nested RNG (basically titforging), is still in the game, for literally no reason. Anyone with a high school level of math can tell you that nesting RNG is completely retarded, so I have to assume that nobody with decision power at Blizzard has any knowledge of basic math. For anyone who wants to disagree: Assume that the item you need has a 20% chance to drop. Assume that it has a 20% chance to titforge (I don't know how large that number actually is). Assume that it has a 30% chance to be a max titforge (Again, I don't know the actual number). Basically, this means that the only way you can stop grinding for that item is if you are lucky enough to hit that 0.2*0.2*0.3 chance. That's 1.2%. Even if my numbers are too low (and I have no reason to assume that they aren't), it is three times more likely that you get a Thunderfury essence off of Garr than it is to get the right item from a boss. You have a chance in excess of 95% that you will have to grind for the exact same item with a better roll again, even if my numbers are too low. From the fallout of Diablo Immortal, we now know that Blizzard is on a very tight budget. This really shows in BfA.

[@madiovas]

I have always felt class design and the enjoyment of playing a class were the core of WoW. No matter how shit the previous expansion were, it was always enjoyable to play your class. I truly feel like we lost that in BfA and with that the enjoyment in the game.

[@chasey1978]

They stripped it down in legion and just made it worse. Class design in legion was also shit but we had the artifacts and legendaries to mask the shitty class design. BFA is like a diet version of legion and most people dont like being handed a carrot to replace carrot cake.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@@chasey1978 To be fair, arms warrior was in a good spot by the end of legion. Removing half the class, and allowing you to get a tiny fraction back in azerite traits was genuinely retarded, though. However, I played holy priest at the beginning of Legion, and I maintain to this day that having a useless aoe healing spell, and only doing aoe healing by spamming flash heal with trail of light is piss poor class design. So there's that. The legendaries were a complete joke. The first one I got was literally the worst one (so bad that wearing it was a downgrade), and the second one wasn't good either. This was before they let you get more than two. I don't know why anyone would greenlight a system that determines whether your character will be useful or useless in the first month of an expansion, until they get around to actually putting in thought and fixing it. It seems like the people who refuse to put thought into the shit they implement still wotk there, though.

[@Highway-Hobo]

class design and gameplay moving in reverse, BFA is a flop

[@z-genji8639]

Highway Hobo maybe for some, boomkin has never been better though and that’s all I care about

[@Ranclaud2006]

Bm hunters best they've ever been

[@Highway-Hobo]

@@z-genji8639 This version of boomy is the simplest and easiest version of spec in what, 8 years? more? If you like it, good for you. But there is no denying the lack of complexity and nuance in the game. Gameplay is trending in the wrong direction and the game and its population are worse off because of it

[@z-genji8639]

Highway Hobo it’s almost exactly legion boomie but better. Boomie is a rewarding spec that is simple yet not too simple. Anyone can play boomie decent but it takes professional attention to detail to be at the top

[@Highway-Hobo]

@@z-genji8639 Better than legion? Sure, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. I would argue that specifically boomy is objectively easier and objectively more simple than legion. Its like putting training wheels on. If you enjoy it, then I am legit happy for you. I would much rather be in game playing, I WANT to enjoy BFA. But class design is so dull I'd rather troll forums and watch porn....

[@Sithalos]

Great video. You hit every nail on the head. Too bad Activi$ion-Blizzard won't do a damn thing about any of it.

[@Inntox]

Anyone else need a drink after this vid? It's too real.....

[@facetentacles6528]

Had to stop halfway through and get one just to finish. It hurts how accurate it all is

[@superkaylo]

Name checks out

[@ir0n2541]

Get some help

[@puffin-onehandedgamer1164]

BFA has certainly made me a very bitter costumer. I will never pre-order any expansion ever again until I see the full features of the game they are offering. If 8.1 was 8.0, would I still buy it? no, no I wouldn't, because the AP system is what I dislike and nothing but the ending to the expansion will fix that. I am therefor waiting for them to release the nightelf heritage armor, then I will resub for a month, other than that I will wait until 9.0 and hope it doesn't have any "fill the bar" core system (AP system).

[@ericm5328]

Spot on. We are thankful as a gaming community to have players and role models like you Mike, who can speak up and talk sense to all these players that are so deluded. Hopefully you can reach blizzard with our concerns. Let's make wow great again!

[@itsxvn7615]

another game killed by activision?

[@popojaga7312]

Games deactivision

[@boz123lol]

how many confirmed kills does Activision have?

[@kruger7796]

Not activision man... blizz just shit these days.

[@Boltz4Life]

Correct. Pretty sure a lot of people agree that WotLK was the last of the 'good'. I'm also pretty sure that Activision came into the picture in that time frame.

[@kruger7796]

@@Boltz4Life Indeed they did. With no creative control over blizzard ips. Alot over at Blizzard has changed through the years. I do agree with Activision being shit however.

[@nestorasbellas6604]

Pleasure learning the current state of the game through your video's m8. This one in particular was amazingly informative and stand alone analysis, that one just watches and just knows what's going on without leveling to 120 even. A real gem, even in comparison to your content that is already of high standards!

[@DonaldTurner]

well said, brother. thank you Mike. peace.

[@ianmeyer7635]

I really liked this one--although I'm not sure 'enjoyed the video' is the right comment. I appreciate the honest feedback you give, and as a former mythic raider often agree with almost all of your viewpoints (I do like me my transmogs!). It's awesome having a sensible, reasonable viewpoint that is coming from the high end. Probably my favorite part about your channel is that you prioritize fun though, and the fact that you appreciate that even for the more 'casual' player only makes your message more powerful (I would hope at least). This one was kind of a hard watch, as I usually really enjoy your endless positivity and how much fun you seem to have playing games. In fact--I actually had taken a break from WoW due to personal life reasons in late Legion and your videos on the Battle for Dazar'alor has me playing again! I re-subscribed to come raid the next tier, and am just now coming up against many of these issues that you speak of. Just wanted to throw a comment out saying I like the content, and it's a pity to have to have so much negativity around BfA. I hope we're having more fun soon!

[@i.m.3940]

Legion turned out to be an OK expansion for the most part and Blizzard thought they could pull another WoD on us. WoD me once, shame on you. WoD me twice, shame on me. People aren't stupid.

[@marcvan367]

By the end when we actually had leggos and the mage tower, that was soo fun!

[@Michael-po8hw]

Legion was one of the best expacs. Top 3

[@bunnieskitties293]

WoD's only problem, and I mean ONLY problem is MoP. MoP saw the largest mass firing of a company not being outright liquidated in human history. There was no one physically at the building to make WoD, so its first patch was made early on in MoP and that was that. They had to work on Legion the entire duration of SoO and almost all of WoD proper. They had to cut the two raid first tier into two tiers, skip the third tier and reuse Legion art assets and rewrite the WoD story to create a final patch for WoD to just exist for 2 years while they finished Legion. hate MoP for the god awful managment of the company, not WoD which is by far the most heart filled hard made beloved part of the ENTIRE Warcraft story for Blizzard, especially Chris Metzen himself, and simply didnt get finished. Comparing BFA, a shitty product that was finished, to WoD, a beautiful product cut 1/4th into its design and left incomplete, is just not using your noggin. Think your comparisons through and make sure they are fair. WoD was made in about 6 months, BFA was made in multiple years. Legion was complete up to the Argus patch when it came out, so virtually all of Legion was pure BFA development time with a full team together for it.

[@Eschatonx]

Michael I was about to dispute that. But you might be right.. which makes this all the more worse.

[@tipsyskeleton]

well looking at the amount of people on store mounts...

[@SyndicShadow]

I have a feeling that the people doing the design are old-school in their thought processes... I can imagine them going "what's wrong with world quests being abandoned? It's just like Legion and people loved that! The players are lucky they're getting any world quests at all, because it's 400% more content than they ever got in BC or Wrath." In some ways, that is correct... it IS a lot more content than we ever used to get. The issue isn't whether or not we have lots of things to do, but whether or not we're motivated and having fun... and after epics started raining from the sky in Wrath, the gear started losing most of its appeal as a motivation, and now there's nothing to replace it other than proprietary systems like artifact weapons, which they didn't think through enough with the BfA version of azerite. They REALLY should have paid more attention to the azerite system because it's pretty much the basket all their eggs were going to be in for making everything else relevant. I also want to point out that I do find world quests, mythic +, raids and islands to all be fun... just not enormously so. I also have other things to play, and it seems like WoW is failing to innovate in terms of making things more interesting.

[@rokku87]

I started a guild towards the end of legion.. Decided I wanted to main my old school vanilla prot warrior for the first time since vanilla. I was pumped. The beginning of this xpac was great and my guilds first raid runs were filled to the brim. Enthusiasm and effort from all members was on point. 3 weeks into Uldir progression, we started seeing players leave. A month later a few core raid members left. I couldn't re-fill the spots fast enough. My warrior was under-performing and our roster was thinning out. The guild slowly disbanded. Perhaps it was partially due to my leadership as GM. But I've never seen a guild lose interest so quickly before when progression was on point. We downed G'huun normal with a little outside pug help but at that point? The damage was done. Its now been 2 months since our first core raid member left. I'm unsubbed and the guild is being looked over by a trusted friend until things pickup. But I don't have much hope of that happening. People got their first impressions of the game you only get to make a first impression once. The utter failure of this xpac as well as the recent dissconnect Blizzard seems to have with its fans (not mobile phone fans though) really puts me off even for the re-launch of classic, something I've been looking forward to for over a decade. Does blizzard really deserve any more of my money?

[@i.m.3940]

Similar story here. I joined a new raiding guild around august 2017, raided ToS and Antorus with it, everyone was pumped for BfA, the first day of Uldir there was a login q on my realm, the guild was filled, i've never seen so many people online. A month later we were struggling to fill the group for the raid and had to bring in randoms. The last 2 weeks there were only a few people online during what was supposed to be raid time. Everyone knew what was coming, it was just a matter of time. Then one morning i get up, open up discord and see a notification from the GM in the guild discord server - the guild was ceasing all raiding activities. In other words, it was just the official announcement that the guild is dead, thanks to BfA. Surprisingly enough, even though i knew the guild was dying long before that message popped up, seeing it hit me really hard for some reason. I was sad and angry for days. Now i feel only the anger. And to answer your question - after BlizzCon it seems Blizzard does not deserve any money, even for Classic. The fact that they even thought about putting sharding into Classic says it all. They DO NOT care about their fans. If they somehow manage to fuck Classic up that would be the final nail in the coffin, i'm sure of that. Legion turned out to be an OK expansion for the most part and Blizzard thought they could pull another WoD on us. WoD me once, shame on you. WoD me twice, shame on me. People aren't stupid.

[@r.gletscher5162]

As a GM and raidleader for over a decade this is nothing out of the ordinary. Millions come back at the start of xpacs and most of them leave again. Thats why high progress guilds usually require such a long raiding history from you if you wish to join. They simply dont want to deal with expansion-boomers or whatever you want to call them. Dont get me wrong, i dislike BfA for various reasons and if it wouldnt be for my guild i would have quit after finishing mythic progression, but this really is just normal. Guilds come and go, especially at the lower end.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@@i.m.3940 The sharding in Classic is specifically because they don't want to repeat the (horrible) launch experience. The classic team seems to be highly dedicated to authenticity. Blizzard is going to track who plays Classic and who plays current wow. Current wow can still tank if people play Classic.

[@bloodknightbob]

Really clear discussion Mike, feels like it sums up what you've been talking about for a while really well. Glad you shared this.

[@krabix1855]

I'm just baffled by the choices to complety remove things people were enjoying, like artifact abilities, and keep the things people didn't like, such as rng and the artifact power system. I think they should have kept the legendary system with something very similar, but purely from a currency.

[@keithcutler5580]

Mike, I've been watching your content since I can remember and now more than ever, you represent my issues, reservations, and pain points with the game. Keep PREACHing the truth, hopefully someone will listen

[@AdrasAdraki]

31 neck lvl from casual play and world quests, i recently hit exalted with every rep and i just cant bring myself to open the game.

[@r.gletscher5162]

Adras Adraki thats the sad thing. I do m+ all day long in the 15-18 range, got 8/8 mythic a few weeks ago and i still had to GRIND ap to reach 31 on my neck. You dont get a meaningful ammount of ap from m+ or raids. You need to do worldquests. When a 40 minute +18 key gives about the same ap as a 90 seconds worldquest something is off. You need high neck levels for challenging content. Where do you farm ap? In afk-able content. Makes sense..

[@AdrasAdraki]

@@r.gletscher5162 Thats a somewhat big reason why i dont bother with m+ and higher tiers of raiding. Outside of the disappointment of getting bad loot in the weekly chest repeating the content doesnt have any value and doesmt progress the neck. I can be far worse of a player skill wise than u and still be ahead of you just from wqs. Plus being a ret main i dont get many chances to joing higher lvl content and my class tents to play like shit compaired to wod when i played last. Having returned in bfa after wod i cant but feel i got the short end of the legion stick.

[@r.gletscher5162]

@@AdrasAdraki Despite the big issues Legion had at the start (no way of targetting or speeding up the acquisition of legendarys ect) it turned out to be one of my favourite expansions. The raids were pretty good and some of my favourite fights acros all xpcacs are mythic star augur, maiden, KJ and Argus(asides from the repcosts haha). And m+ dropped a big chunk of AP on higher difficultys and the weekly chest. I never felt forced to do worldquests unlike now. And its just so much more time consuming in BfA, because you not only need to do the raid on 2+ characters(thanks fights like zul and ghuun for class stacking) to stay competetive, you also need to do WQ's, content defenitely not even meant for me, to keep up.

[@rakonc9555]

@@r.gletscher5162 You seem like a talkative chap, care to explain why exactly do you need the extra ap lvls so goddamn much? Cause if 5 ilvls is what decides a mythic kill then thats pretty sad.

[@r.gletscher5162]

@@rakonc9555 I mean, 5 level dont make or break a raid, but across all raiders they defenitely do. How often do you have 1% Wipes before the first kill on lets say ghuun? It certainly makes a difference. Especially at the start of the Tier when people didnt have the defensive Traits. Does it make a difference on a individual level if you get a 30k shield every 30 seconds? Probably not too often. Does it make a difference if 20 Raiders absorb 30k every 30 seconds? It obviously does.

[@bdmb123]

I usually don’t comment anything apart from constructive criticism, but gonna have to do a 180 and say what a a fantastic video this is, hit the nail on the head in a well constructed and well articulated way. Best criticism I’ve seen of BFA

[@madzzzey]

Sub lappsed, lost 70% of the players I played with due too pure bleeding boredom at endgame outside of CE raiding over the last 6 weeks.

[@naoki234]

OMG Preach! at 25:44, you've quoted ME!!! It's an honor to be part of your video! =)

[@aw7400]

Here's a good idea for Blizzard: Drop the artifact stuff completely and go back to tier gear. The system worked fine for a decade. Don't know why they decided to change it.

[@bt636]

Believe me or not it took me 8 weeks to get my first raid tier azerite piece. We had multiple hunters in my raid with 2 and 3 pieces that would have gladly let a piece go to me so I could get the RA buff. I watched my dps go from competing for first to middling to lower half as everyones RA buff grew week by week. Thanks master loot, glad you are looking out for the little guy.

[@Noah-os7cq]

Excellent video, absolutely on point! Only thing to add is that the class “design” is so atrocious that it makes WoW downright unplayable. At no point in time have classes been this in unfun and neglected. And looking at 8.1, no the problem is not tuning - who cares about stupid dps numbers - the problem is the very design!! ( or better, non-design ) And whatever husk remained of the classes was being killed off by GCD and secondary stat scaling entirely ....

[@MrOPD]

Wow was destroyed by catering to people who didn't want to play Wow in the first place. Wow these days is catering to Fortnite players and people who expect to get everything by just playing it for 2 hours a week. And it's something that's never gonna change ever again because their 12 bucks per month are worth just as much as mine, just that there's seemingly 10 times ans many of them, so blizzard will obviously cater to them until the game eventually dies.

[@ominous_looking_npc]

This! So much this. We can thank those back in vanilla and TBC for bitching because they didn't get to see end game. Or finally kill Illidan pr whatever it was. Instead of simply ignoring it, moving forward, and keeping busines as usual, the slow transformation began. Easier, but all be it better, dungeon design. Change in raid sizes over time. Then change to difficulty. Then systems to offer optional gear ups were added. Then to the ultimate just give them gear system ala Warfronts. I have said this to my friends over and over and over devs can not cater to one type of player base. Look at Wildstar, a great looking game with a fresh look at an MMO that decided to cater to the hardcore scene. Ask the casuals left. I understand bugs in wildstar were also prevalent, but that wasn't the sole reason. I well rounded content filled game will keep everyone. Hence why TBC and Wrath are considered iconic. Not just because story, which played a huge role, but the fact there was so much to do for all types of players.

[@zeke2465]

i don't think that's what made the game unfun, while a sense of progression and actually working to make your character stronger are great things I believe that the gameplay is the primary reason it's boring. Personally in some previous expansions when I had completed everything that I wanted to and had "finished" my characters progression I would still log on and play because what i was playing was enjoyable. The class design changes, lack of new interesting talents, loss of all the gameplay changes in my artifact weapon, and the rotation for some of the classes is just boring now.

[@someguy3508]

@@ominous_looking_npc dude in TBC i farmed up to mid t5 and i couldn't be more satisfied. I used to see those people with t6 and warglaives and i was stunned. I didn't care that i didn't kill Illidan because i knew i needed to work more for it. The game nowadays is just "let's give everyone everything". This makes the game boring after 1-2 months of playing. WoTLK was the best option for hardcores and casuals imo but TBC will forever be my all time favourite and Karazhan plays a big part on it.

[@danielkerber8667]

Agreed. I miss the day when I spent days farming for a weapon in BC. And then being able to upgrade said weapon as a Blacksmith. Also if I wanted a piece of gear I could gear it raiding, or if not farm it by running Dungeons betting badges and turning those badges in for gear. Right now there just isn't any sense of progression. You either get lucky or you don't. Taking away control over the experience is a huge part of why I quit playing BFA. And I really didn't like Legion either, or WOD either. It has been a steady stream of limiting player customization and grinding making it pointless to actually try to improve your character. The only reason I am still paying attention was to play Vanilla again. Yes it will be easier but at least I can have a path to upgrade my character if I put the time and sweat into it.

[@victorsaad7805]

@@zeke2465 The actual class design is for ppl who doesn't want to learn what they're playing. It's just pushing randomly spells until the mob is dead.

[@Pumkin932]

As far as guilds go; I can't count how many times elite raiders told me or others to go kill themselves for one reason or another, to insult fellow members for doing the best they can, bringing along a full raid while only the tight knit group of friends got all the loot and everyone else was there for free. Don't really feel bad for most of these people. It catches up to you sooner or later, in one way or another.

[@pugernoufer]

Whatever you do, don't try to sugar-coat it. Speaking just for myself here, my entire friend's list is greyed-out, same with my guild. I log in maybe once a week or so to see if Warfronts are up, and if so, the fact you cannot lose makes it incredibly boring. My necklace is worthless and pointless, and Blizzard added a ton of work for themselves by adding all these traits into the gear. The only good thing I can say is, I heard about these cool canvas bags Bethesda is selling that I can use to put my phone in.

[@marcvan367]

My guild just fell apart :’(

[@HT-jj5sx]

Damn, this is a very well thought out and presented argument. Very well done, be cool to see some of these thigns change. The ideas for world quests had me pounding on my desk saying "yes, yes, yes!!"

[@azurepai5916]

At 4:24 it says Gamescom 2017 but Legion was revealed at Gamescom 2015.

[@KICKBUTTMARIO]

Yup! You screwed up Sir Preach!

[@chiguy_]

if blizzard doesn't hear anyone else's cry for a change I hope they hear yours. not only do you always speak with such passion, you bring logic, understanding, and reason to the discussions. Cheers to you, I was one who was thinking about coming back but after hearing this, it just seems the reward for doing something not many can do isn't there. hell I remember seeing a T3 rogue for the first time and was like HOLY SHIT... now here is a player, or even seeing Thunderfurry... and now there isn't a title worth going for, or a piece of gear that just makes someone else go. "DaAAAmmmnnn look at what you go".. well again here is to you and I hope they (Blizz) is listening and really focusing their efforts on the enjoyment of the game.. cheers.

[@phen6075]

I play vampire the masquerade: bloodlines every single year One of the best rpgs ever made.

[@joelhume]

VtM remastered would be popping!

[@mattyone78]

Now if they made an mmo based on that game, I would be compelled to check it out.

[@FuzzyFruits]

This is why I love you Preach. You and Bellular, you both make it very easy to grasp concepts and understand them and address the issues with facts. A bro fist to the holl of all balla's.. Preach.

[@dusk1947]

Great video. While i am still activly playing and enjoyibg BFA, it is a noticable step down from Legion. If Blizzard took every critism you have here and improved each of them, BFA could be the best expansion they have ever made. This expansion has endless potential in systems that sit underdeveloped or shy of being fully realized, while others are shells of more successful past systems... seperatly, people are attacking the idea of guilds? A good guild is the single most important feature in WoW! the loss of my guild would destroy my ability to take part in most competative PvE, and I would probably quit on the spot if they ever remove the guild featue

[@djstucky7218]

If not for my guild, I would have quit a long time ago. There are a myriad of problems with this game, as Preach laid out very well, but I wonder if those screaming the loudest are those who are solo or in horrible mass invite guilds with no sense of community.

[@Rakingclaw4]

@@djstucky7218 I feel ya. Guild has kept me around, but truth be told, they are getting a touch boring as well. Community, fun, and immersion should be the first three things the devs look to accomplish. There are loads of people saying, "I won't do it without a reward" when a game that's intrinsically fun IS the reward. That's no longer the case. And honestly, the thing that has frustrated me most with the game are players punching well above their weight because they've been showered with gear and now out-gear the content. It's not that I begrudge them for that specifically, it's when they try to do high M+ keys or think they can walk into Mythic raiding without some level of commitment to improving their skill or time sink. Make the game fun again Blizz and a lot of things will fall into place.

[@TheMMObro]

They'd have to fix azerite armor a lil too.. idk

[@Rakingclaw4]

@@TheMMObro They need to completely abandon this "every xpac needs a new hook" mindset and make sure that all the class fantasy and their subsequent specs are rock solid. Some specs are just flat out unenjoyable, even if their output is good. And yet, this sort of thing happens from patch to patch. For now, we're just going to have to ride out Azerite armor. But WoW's core foundation sucks. Their understanding of the community sucks. If Blizzard wants to make loads of money on mobile games, that's fine, but treat WoW players like a mobile audience and they can only lose. They need to watch the reception Diablo: Ineptitude received and run in the opposite direction. The impression they are giving us is they know what's best. It used to be, "what can we create that our fans will love?" My point is that they aren't going to convince WoW players to shell out for their mobile games, we're just going to unsub and play something else. But they can continue to make money hand over fist by making WoW fun again. Heh, sorry for the rant...

[@richardpilhofer3994]

Been playing since 2006 and I've finally had it with this game and this company.

[@Callus1234]

My biggest problem with BFA is this is first expansion where you actually get less powerful as you level up. You have even a reasonably geared 110 you are smashing most things. But at 120 you are far weaker until you get a decent item level. You have no new abilities to play with or anything. To me a more casual player it makes leveling my alts a chore. I enjoyed leveling them in legion and powering up their artifacts. I could care less about AP now on them

[@harold926]

at least for me the same thing happened from mop to wod to legion where my raid geared character would do the same dps as when it was capped in the next expansion. Big difference right now as you said is that we lost so much like the entire artifact system with all its perks that actually made a difference or even lost an entire ability from the artifact on top of that the legendaries and tier set bonusses and we got no new abilities or talents to get once we capped and the azerite traits simply don't fill that void

[@Kenkyofukai]

The stat squish was real for quite a few expansions now. The problem with BfA is that you get nothing new from 110 to 120 (you actually lose your legos ant artifact weapon), so it feel sooo much worse than going from wod into legion for example.

[@drhank33y]

No new abilities and no new talents after lv.100. Like they completely ignored the talent system the last two expansions ..

[@Mark-xt5lo]

Here you go - Activision Stock - ATVI Oct 2, 2018 - 83.39 (approx 1.5 months after BfA launch) Dec 3, 2018 - 46.60 (2 months later and lost 6.58 percent today) Moving on....

[@Neil3D]

I have 800+ days in this game over 14 years, but probably only 1-2 of those days is my total over the past 3 years... none of these problems really apply to my reasons for leaving, class design, gear, rewards, broken elements, this game was the soundtrack to my twenties and my escape at every possible opportunity but I've just outgrown it and become fatigued with the genre. I bought BfA and gave it a chance after nearly 2 years away from WoW, but after 2 levels of questing I couldn't do it any more... for me, the towel has been finally thrown in for good. It's not my place to speculate how typical my situation is for others my age, or how likely youngsters are to attach themselves to a game like this, but I don't see a bright future for it. It'll always be my answer to "whats the best game you've ever played" but it's a page in my history now.

[@MrJayza89]

TFI - CAD & Technology For Industry I'd actually say the irony is youngsters won't stick with this. The competition around wow is always there and if wow can't hold our attention then any of the newer games will. Right now I'm sinking time into the new shooter, replaying witcher and I can't find the motivation to play wow right now. The grind is not worth it at all IMO, and with my progress in uldir back as someone who does not enjoy pvp the game lost me. At least in legion there was a point for the grind. In bfa I just don't feel like I should be bothered by it.

[@Neil3D]

@@MrJayza89 Yea fair point, I dunno, I just think the world has moved on and far fewer people have the time or lifestyle for this game now. Ignoring the current game breaking issues, even if WoW was exactly the same as it was 10 years ago I just don't think there's a mass market for this game any more. Back in 2004 the world was a very very different place, people didn't have iPhones, mobile games, tablets, VR, 4K gaming, there wasn't anywhere near as many options/choices and demands on your time but this game is trying to slot into a world which has moved on. There'll always be a niche community of people who can and want to dedicate all of their time to that grind, whether the grind is worth it or not, I'm just speculating but I don't think that community is big enough to keep the game profitable. I can't pretend to understand and relate to youngsters today but now that the community aspect of WoW has all but completely died off, I don't see how it's going to attract and retain a new generation as the older generation move on.

[@skltr5177]

I saw the legion launch and knew that was the last expansion for wow.... Like thats it, we've killed sargeras, sure theres old gods, but its not what I want to do.... they only added the old gods to azhara later on.

[@MrJayza89]

TFI - CAD & Technology For Industry I agree with this for the most part. Except there is definitely enough people to keep the game afloat, just as there are other mmo's running right now. The problem really does come from wow's lack of vision and catering towards to many players. It's just failing regardless of people's time constraints. It's not worth playing for an extended amount of time and on the opposite end its not worth playing because it's lacking mmo aspects. I think this video said it best. Right now it lacks vision. I'm not sure who this is expansion is for anymore.

[@TheNacropolice]

I will agree age plays a large part of this. I personally can no longer dedicate the time I could when i was 10 years old or however old I was in 2004/5. I work now, I have bills and other desires. But, a part of me, a very large part of me, wants classic because I miss that game. I wasn't the best at all, hell I sucked ass, but I made friends, I had fun, each gear reward felt awesome. I did things for fun, no other reason really. Now, since the rest of the world is irrelevant, my fun is raiding; and even that is made worse thanks to Azerite.

[@xzxSomeonexzx]

Great video preach! I remember when I used to BG for hours on end even with a full honor cap. The unique rock-paper-scissors class design in pvp and the way min-maxing gear/talents affected character power made the content challenging at times and very rewarding despite not offering any actual rewards for me. Sadly all that along with much more is totally gone from the game now. RIP Blizzard

[@andrewdurham5385]

The world we live in nowadays. Immediate reward is more important than anything that actually requires effort, much less skill. Guilds (particularly higher end raiding ones) only serve to discriminate against other players not in the ‘elitist club’. Obviously, any individual cannot be expected to be responsible for their own faults or mistakes, and they absolutely cannot be expected to learn or improve. It is always other people’s fault or they aren’t being accepted because they aren’t an ‘elitist’.Lmao.

[@shehran6936]

I agree with everything you've said. It's exactly right. Going from Legion to BfA is like going from a released game to it's alpha phase. However, 1 point on reward v gameplay. I think there's balance to be had there. I, for example, play for both. The artifact challenges were engaging gameplay with a reward at the end. I used to see raiding the same way. Even the warmode gameplay, it was fun whilst levelling and getting the title but pretty unrewarding after that. If they made it so we were encouraged to fight over resources that benefited the faction it would have been incentivised with engaging gameplay and reward. They even sold it that way. They said that we'd be encouraged to repel the enemy faction for resources, that hasn't happened. If they think Warfronts resource collection is what people expected when they said that they're deluded. We expected BDO like systems where you actively go to designated spots and attack with an army of other players whenever you want. The whole expansion is half baked and I knew it would be dull as soon as they announced the title. The cinematic was great but they're always great. I just felt it and I even said it to a mate.

[@kittredge5167]

Blizzard is taking way too much inspiration from Diablo 3. Play Diablo 3, watch how the games mirror each other in design and game play, and you will quickly see what is wrong with current WoW.

[@z-genji8639]

Jesodoth nothing

[@kittredge5167]

@@z-genji8639 Then go play Diablo 3.

[@z-genji8639]

Jesodoth no I hate arpgs

[@zipzzo]

The team who made Diablo 3 is the team who's working on WoW right now, so why does this surprise anyone

[@fredrick1176]

z-genji like Zipzo said, the team who made D3 is working on BFA systems. Island Expeditions are rifts, m+ are rifts, and gearing is like Diablo 3 gearing. Gear coming from every source with chance of being titanforged. I’m with you, ARPGs are boring for all those reasons. And wow certainly has a ton of those elements now.

[@Bret_Chapman]

I dont often take the time to comment on videos in general. I really felt this was important to say. I have loved your content for many years now. I remember back when you started. This video is by far one of your best. I am sorry that your review couldn't have been more positive and upbeat however you nailed it. Keep doing what you are dong! your contirbution helps so many people; turn on the smile in your voice and beam your light everywhere. Wish there was more positivity for you to share, however I wanted you to read how much one player has been affected by your videos in both my approach to the game and the characters I choose to play. Thank you

[@staropramen478]

The biggest issue with BFA for me is that it got released after Legion. This expansion would have made so much more sense coming after Cata/MOP (with slightly different story obviously). We fought the Burning Legion in their fucking home world alongside the opposite faction, discovered the Pantheon and the glimps of the void but now we are attacking each other yet again after all we have been through? The horde and alliance should be wiping the floor with these blood trolls and pirates at this point with all the technological advances we have made. Killing those filthy crocodiles who dare touch our azerite, protecting turtles from seagulls with paper instead of using our actual weapons. Why didnt Azshara strike us during the demon invasion instead when we were vulnerable? What the fuck is Velen and Khadgar doing right now? The story of BFA doesnt fit here at all. Legion should have been the expansion that marks the beginning of the end. We were so powerful during Legion only to throw it all away when there are still worse threats out there.

[@Juizny666]

When you really let it sink in....from fighting soul of a planet and imprisoning Sargeras to -> protecting turtles from seagulls...sigh

[@zach6395]

The end of Legion should have been the time for Warcraft 4 for that exact reason. Think about the end of WC2 and the start of WC3. It naturally progressed into what WC3 became, which is the best game Blizz has ever released in both gameplay and story. That is the first step Blizz needs to take, is to build a coherent story. There was no reset after Legion when the story really needs it. Especially right after they essentially introduce the Void.

[@marcvan367]

They could have ended on legion and despite my withdrawals it would have felt complete.

[@staropramen478]

@@marcvan367 I think so too but I also wouldnt mind (since blizzard wants more expansions) if they had separated Legion into 2 expansions with them attacking us first and expansion 2 being the counter attack. Would easily have worked with Argus as the main continent and other planets as sub zones kinda like the invasion points but better. And while we still have the strength and high morale, only then should we be able to face the void. I just dont think BFA fits in between there at all. No matter how powerful Azshara is, we should have dealt with her before Legion since it doesnt make any sense that she would sit underwater while demons are destroying her planet. And what are these blood trolls and pirates trying to accomplish? What can they possibly do against the 2 powerhouse factions that defeated the fucking burning legion. They should be thanking us that we saved their meaningless lives. BFA feels like we went back in time to Cata/MOP and the only thing that came out of Legion is that Azeroth is bleeding.

[@r0ninKai]

As a roleplayer, this expansion is a bloody nightmare. Too many things make little or no sense, with a lot of reasons for things happening relying on the meta. I'm maining two Pandarens, a monk and a shaman, and I have ZERO motivation to participate in this so called war as they're both from NEUTRAL ORDERS. My pandas have defeated the legion in two separate occasions (3 if you count BC) to save the world, only to be shoehorned into fighting the other faction who we've worked with to save it?! Why isn't the Earthen Ring doing anything about this war? Why is the Order of the Broken Temple silent? What the hell is the Cenarion Circle doing?! Seriously, to the bloody void with this goddamn game and whatever moron came up with this so-called 'story'.

[@eelkeveltman9702]

I have played wow since 2009, never have I taken a break or had to re add a subscription, the past couple of weeks however I have thought of quitting multiple times, the points in this video are well on par with my personal issues, good video.

[@dylanfarris7647]

I cancelled my Sub last night. I held on longer than most people I know. But theres just nothing interesting or fun to do. Which is a real shame because Legion made me addicted and excited to play again. So having BFA shit on it really sucks

[@alicedubois8315]

Same, cancelled today.. I find myself wanting to log on but as I sit in the capital and wonder what I should do everything feels boring or like a chore and I just log out to play other games. Time to move on.

[@tonyr1984]

Completely agree about Legion and BfA. I stopped paying $ for BfA awhile ago, and was only paying with in-game gold. Now I just stopped paying with in-game gold, and canceled. BfA is not worth the imaginary gold. Since Vanilla I only unsubbed twice; the end of WoD, and before the first patch of BfA.

[@thisismychannel607]

What game u goin to? I went with path of exile for a while, now playing the division, both good games but i want to play a game that keeps me 100% interested and pains me to walk away from, like wow did before, like it hirt my rl relationships and work performance, i want a game like that

[@XAntssX]

What in legion had you playing compared to bfa.

[@dylanfarris7647]

@@tonyr1984 I've been playing Breathe of the Wild finally, waiting for Smash bros now.

[@Tokensb]

You know I went super casual and can't offer a complete overview like you, but your points hit the nail on the head. I had so much hype for BFA, starting 23:55 on that launch night and getting my char to 120 within 12 hours. The art team definitely carries this expansion as the zones look amazing, I haven't been able to stop listening to the music and the cinematics are just insane. That said - I don't feel the storyline really "took me", I've basically done the quests because they're prerequisites to Jaina's story (yes, I'm a pleb alliance), emissaries or reputations. I don't really care what happens to the people involved in either of the zones, but that might just be my min-maxing attitude that wanted to save as much time as possible. Although, I have only leveled 2 chars to 120 from 110 and for me that says volumes as at this point in Legion I already had like 5 110s that I had to level either from 1, boosted to 90, 100 or my monk that was around 80. I was engrossed in doing the artifact quests, even after I saw that a lot of them were similar. I did all the mount quests as well later in Legion, I cared for the Order Halls (even past the fact that they were extreme gold generators). I even leveled a warlock, my most hated class, and actually played it. I absolutely realize how much work was put into those (well, not all of them) and that it's difficult to reproduce again, especially since there's no class affiliation around this expansion. If you're not pushing for class harmony like in Legion, you'd expect at least that the PVP aspect of the "we're at war" situation would be full blown. Especially with PVP quests, world quests, special events, scaling PVP rewards and systems depending on how many players are interacting in open world PVP, parts of the zone that are PVP oriented. I like the supply caches that drop from the sky and you can hear when it happens and you look up, see it and you can run there and open it for you faction, something like that and more of that to incentivize people to engage in PVP. I've had War Mode on during leveling, as soon as I noticed Horde PVP parties ganking champions of azeroth world quests or in general world quest zones, I had enough as I didn't see the use of wasting 30min or more of my time on a world quest when I can do it in 30 seconds, the reward to time ratio just doesn't make sense. And this is a damn shame as I enjoyed Hillsbrad PVP the most (not taking into account the lagspikes and FPS drops). As Taliesin mentioned, Argent Dawn doesn't have this problem as it's an RP server which works differently, his experience with War Mode has been very good and he plays alliance and horde. Of course, it's difficult to use the same system on all servers as they have population issues and that's something sharding is supposed to solve, but it really isn't. Islands were a great addition to the game, but a week into it, I felt already like it was a complete grind and once I found the perfect way to complete it as soon as possible, I just started doing that and it felt repetitive. And I still feel it's only a way to get some more Azerite for that reset. Developing that AI for sure is a great piece of tech they managed to create, but while that's great for them and maybe for something in the future, right now I'm not really seeing the payoff. This does mean they might get really imaginative as to how they wanna use it. Azerite armor just seems like a chore - every time you think you're done, you really aren't, and you lose some stuff because they decided to make you redo levels every time you get an upgrade. Artifact weapons weren't perfect, but at least you didn't lose something when they upgraded. You only grew in power and knew what you could count on to have as passive abilities. Not to mention the farm for the items themselves, then again it's the same for every item you want. World quests were a great addition to Legion, but they somehow lost their use in BFA very quickly. Of course this would be due to there being no legendaries. Before I knew if I wanted a legendary I had to do everything to be able to get them until I got the one that I needed. Then a new tier comes and you don't have another legendary and the farm continues. And even then you might wanna do it to get legendaries for alt. In any case, the incentive to do world quests was far greater in Legion. I'm not saying they should bring back legendaries, but something should make it worth to complete them, other than gold, war resources or random items probably no one except a new character needs. This connects well to Argus rares as well since they were a sort of world quest that rewarded legendaries, mounts, toys and whatnot. Warfronts feel like a missed concept. While adding new ones allows us to do them more often, I don't feel the need to do them. They would need to add rewards or currency to make it worth, but playing against NPCs that don't stand a chance is kind of lame? The whole point of islands is that you can lose to an AI, why not do the same with Warfronts? There are no stakes in the matter if the NPCs can win with AFK players. Why not use island AI here? My time is mostly spent doing m+ with friends and that's just something they managed to pull off so good that they can play around with that (not like bugged infested though) and see what kind of new things they can use, it's a great system that they can build upon. But having systems that were just bad to begin with and trying to fix them without listening to player feedback is just baffling. As to how BFA was shipped early, that's on the conscience of the people that decided to do it this way. Realistically speaking, if the expansion did roll out later, it might've been a financial hit and maybe in this way it worked better for them mathematically, but it certainly didn't improve customer experience. That Diablo Immortals stunt was just more proof of this. They are a company and they need to make money to create things, but pick your moments and pick your audience and be truthful about what you're doing and who you're doing it for. BFA 3 months later with a better and fixed world would definitely feel better but we also got to the point where we lost interest in Legion and subs surely started to drop. Their marketing department knows their stuff at least statistics-wise and pushing BFA early was just a mathematical decision.

[@rebnvodkaxx]

Why are you and Bellular not working for Blizzard?

[@Grandlett]

fuck bellular

[@__-rk9yc]

Thats the reason I stopped playing BFA 2 Weeks after it`s launch. As Always you summ up the problems in a pretty good way without throwing to much emotions in.

[@darekskrzypek375]

I read forums everyday and the ammount of ppl making threads like "I quit" is just scary. I am an officer in mythic raiding guild 6/8M and yesterday we just had a chat on discord that we take a break from BFA atm (another 15-20 players canceling sub) waiting for another raid to come. There is just not enough things to do like you said island expeditions, warfronts they are not for me. I would farm wqs and dungeons for AP in legion just cause it had a chance "carrot on a stick" to get SOMETHING. The only activity for us that is worth a while is raiding and doing weekly 10+. Most of our players were logging only for raids including myslef when in legion i could play for hours everyday and wouldn't get bored. Also as you said the progression in legion was visible the feeling when you achieved your concordance or when you get your bis legendary was epic. 8.1 besides season 2 brings basically nothing for players like us there are some qul improvements but it doesn't really affect the overall feeling of the game. There is a lot things to talk about buth they were all included in this video and in forums/reddit. Idk it just feels bad to play the game, just my thoughts.

[@Juizny666]

I know legendaries split opinions in legion but they sure as hell kept everything relevant, you could get legendary from emissary = reason to do World Quests, you could get legendary from the argus Invasion Points, you could get legendary from mythic +0, old raids, everything .... That was a real carrot when you think of it now...and when there is not that carrot, well..the subnumbers i guess speak for themselves.... Ofc everything else Preach said here is also true, it's just copypaste from legion but just worse, and after playing legion for 2 years day in, day out you'd want something new, unfortunately "glued-on" content like islands and warfronts, dont' deliver...

[@marcvan367]

Yessssssssss!!! Wow is NOT much fun anymore! Thanks for saying it!

[@NunoPlague]

I played BfA when it launched, leveled my main to 120 and an alt to like 115-ish, then gave up. Why? It felt just like more Legion. The same world quest format, the same grind, felt just like another endgame zone, nothing felt actually fun and the little that was, was gated behind reputations I didn't feel like raising. As a non-raider, there was absolutely nothing for me in the game, I actually preferred Argus to what was available to me. That's why I left and for the first time in many years, I don't feel curiosity about the game or miss it. On the other hand, came back to another MMO which is considered 'inferior' which is SWTOR and it's a lot more fun than WoW is right now. Not here to say one game is better than another, just to illustrate the reality of how WoW isn't appealing anymore to many players. It's a game turned to grind, not to fun.

[@avukovic84]

All the reasons you named here are the reason I left Swtor. Ever since whole Throne storyline arrived I just quit. They had best storytelling in any mmo, until we all became Outlanders, that's when I said bye bye to Swtor.

[@vitsavicky]

Funny, I would take Legion all over again any day over BfA. Even if they didn't change a thing and just served me the exact same thing again I would not complain one bit. Legion at least for me was the best incarnation of "modern WoW" there is. I am not a "mythic raider" anymore... though when I was "mythic" wasn't a thing yet. But Mythic+ was what made the game fun for me. BfA screwed that up big time.

[@jedahn]

It's almost like people are individuals with different personalities.

[@NunoPlague]

@@jedahn it's exactly why we're all individuals with opinions that we must voice them, so we best know what the community is made of.

[@r.gletscher5162]

I wish we would have gotten legion 2.0. With all the improvements made to the legendary system and then they introduce azerite with the same issues again. Actually unbelievable. At least we get a vendor in 8.1 for it again. If only we were in a similar situation before and could have learned from it. GCD changes, no gearswapping because making gearsets is elitist and toxic or something, no tiersets, mythic transmogs looking like leveling greens,.. yeah i definitely would have preferred legion 2.0 over this mess.

[@ovidiufantu8263]

I don't remember watching a Preach video where he was so adamant and clinical about Blizzard's way of developing and managing WoW. But i mostly agree with what he said. And tbh i am a little sad. After the way they handled Legion, I thought things were on the up. Imo, Legion was one of the best expansions. We got heroic Uldir done and now we are playing another game (eso) as a guild. Surely we will come back for the next raid, but since WoD i have never seen NO people online in my guild. I love this game, I have played it (with some breaks) since 2005 (yes, i am excited about classic) but i also enjoy each expansion. I hope they turn this expansion around and also wish them the best in the future! Thank you, Preach, for the many lessons about being a good raider!

[@2stoned2h8]

Mediocrity in every layer of our worlds both fictional and real. Feeling rather lost and angry.

[@WarMonkeyPlays]

Very good video! I think my WoW policy from now on is going to be: sub for first and/or second month after xpac drop, then wait for flight to be added. So much of what I want to do currently, I'm putting off bc I know I can do it so much more efficiently once flying drops.

[@lukejk1701]

Man, I miss Legion. There wasn't a single thing I didn't enjoy. However after giving BfA a decent chance, I have unsubbed for the first time since I stared playing in Wrath. Just waiting on classic now.

[@XAntssX]

This is almost the same expansion as legion, what don't you like about it then?

[@zach6395]

I think the story in Legion was way more engaging. Sargeras was THE big bad we had been building up to since before WoW. It was inevitable that the story was going to fall off after all that. The end of Legion really should have been the time to maybe launch a Warcraft 4 or even a patch or two of brand new content that players could get behind. A lot of people would argue that WC3 ended with Arthas, which to a point it did, but the end of Sargeras really was. Games need progression, and BFA currently lacks substantial long term progression. I would usually be eating up a story like Sylvanas right now but wait, we alread saw this with Garrosh. What made Wrath and Legion the best to me was how story driven it was, and the fact that everything we were doing before was coming to a head.

[@zach6395]

Sorr for the essay, but I'm very passionate about this

[@XAntssX]

@@zach6395 It is ok :D I personally did not enjoy the lore in legion. It just felt boring and repetitive. In bfa one of the pros is the story in my opinion, unless they fuck it up now. They have so much opportunities to surprise the players since most people are just screaming garrosh or arthas 2.0. Compared to legion I enjoy the factions being at war for a change.

[@marcvan367]

Man, I loved helping the crackhead elves in suramar. Great content.

[@01wjnelson]

Great video Preach. Nails a lot of issues with WoW for me right now. We had such positive momentum with Legion and BFA was a giant step backwards.

[@TravieMoney]

The entire point of the forced personal loot system was to help perpetuate the treadmill in order to further drive Blizzard's new KPIs (Hours spend playing). It was without a doubt the single worst change I can ever recall in an MMO. Raiding feels so soulless now.

[@bongosock]

Very well written, well informed, and well considered. Well done!

[@ImmortalSoul39]

Havent fully watched it yet but I know this is one of my favorite videos, along with Nighthold Fatigue video. I wish Blizzard would just hire every single wow content creator on youtube, sadly its not that simple... Thank you for all these years Mike, I appreciate you!

[@archvaldor]

Probably the best Preach video ever IMHO.

[@karlzone2]

Great video, specifically because you don't conveniently "forget" the weaknesses of systems prior to BfA.

[@CosmicCleric]

And if he did, so what? We are not playing the last expansion, we are playing the current one.

[@karlzone2]

Because that's how people usually critique current expansions, and it's disingenuous as fuck. If one uses revisionist history and cannot argue against the current system on fair terms, ones critiques are practically worthless.

[@zipzzo]

@@CosmicCleric BFA was a natural step that came after Legion. The design of either are not mutually exclusive. Many criticisms of BFA can be directly levied at Legion all the same.

[@Juizny666]

@@karlzone2 so you are saying that BfA is better than Legion, can you be more specific, like..what is actually better?

[@karlzone2]

That's not what I'm saying at all. BFA clearly has major issues and is in many ways worse than Legion (specifically, class development, which makes all the other parts of the game feel way worse in return). As @Zipzo mentions: "Many criticisms of BFA can be directly levied at Legion all the same". I'm not against critique of BFA: lord knows, it deserves it. However, your critiques do have to make logical sense. For example: I see many people saying that the RNG of the game is the worst thing of BfA, but that makes me wonder how those people survived Legion, where the RNG way way more prevalent. People conveniently ignore that half of the hot-button issues in BfA were present in Legion too. If they weren't a problem back then, chances are they're not problems right now either. Critique is worthless if it's not accurate.

[@flyz456]

I always enjoy your videos, I hope devs will listen to people who know this game and fix it.

[@SigFrid1985]

Can someone please make Blizzard aware of this video?!

[@tipsyskeleton]

can someone make blizzard aware of anything lol

[@zevo9314]

they're definitely aware, but i dont think they're really in control anymore, they have to listen to activision

[@chaoslance4959]

The speach at the end about guilds... you speak from my heart, Mike. Well said. Well - fucking - said. If only ppl listened...

[@adufresne1]

If they remove guilds I'm gone for good. Raiding with my guild is the only thing keeping me subbed.

[@Amehdion]

I pretty much only log in on raid night anymore. Also have noticed that our guild members used to be online and in group 20-30 min before raid getting ready, now they log in with less than 5 min to spare. We also used to push multiple +15 keys every week for all of our raiders. Now you will be lucky to see 1 group pushing a +10, usually the night before reset. BFA is slowly killing guilds...

[@GamingVidsPs3]

They won't remove guilds lol.

[@r.gletscher5162]

@@Amehdion Thanks for reminding me to do my weekly key. Cheers.

[@TheNEPTY]

Prepare your loins, Classic is coming.

[@FlesHBoX]

At this point the only use I get out of my wow sub is to buy other games with the gold... I wish I could convert blizzard balance to steam balance...

[@marcvan367]

Too true! I’m selling off all my gold to pick up the other games, then I’m out. I might just play AH just to increase my balance.

[@scoops2]

Amazingly well stated. As always, Mike you hit the nail on the head with the core issues in this game. You called it with legion legendaries back in beta and you called it with 90% of this shit in the beta for BfA. Blizzard just doesn't listen to community feedback until its too late. I've been unsubbed since about 2 months into expac, a record for myself in any expansion (been playing since 2006)

[@r.gletscher5162]

Building a expansion for the casuals amongst casuals with warfronts without a lose condition dropping a minimum of hc raidgear, island expeditions on the same level of difficulty and massively simplifying the game with the removal of tiersets, legendarys and gearswapping. And rest in piece on use trinkets, how about you take one of those fun and engaging "has a chance to do x" instead? So you have more time for meaningful decisions xd. Same with GCD changes. Oh dont worry we still have on use trinkets, even if they are scarce. With exciting effects like gain 500intellect for 20 seconds. Or 600 versatility. Or 600 crit for 20 seconds. I know i know this sounds exciting over trinkets like moonglaives, sentinax beacon and the likes, but we got more. Enjoyed being able to do high m+ with classes that lack really strong defensives or utility in their base kit? Well you wont be doing that anymore either because prydaz and utility legendarys are gone and we still havent fixed spriests or shamans for m+. They are still paperclasses, but we up the damage of priests in 8.1 so that will surely change things. At least doing high m+ isnt worth it anway. You get as much azerite for a +18 as you get for a 2 minute worldquest. Because why would you get more rewards for challenging content?

[@arthurschopenhauer292]

@Justin McCray great, only those elitists will stay while 99% of playerbase will emigrate to real casual games in a few weeks

[@r.gletscher5162]

@Justin McCray They just changed mythic raiding to better fit casuals because trials, punishment for a shitty attitude or behaviour ect are gone with the removal of ML. You can just join a guild, throw a tantrum after/during your first raid and still get loot because PL. How is that not changing the game in favor of casuals and non dedicated people? Or gearswapping in m+. They certainly did that because they want to cater to hardcore players, not to casuals who cant manage 2 gearsets. How dumb of me.

[@lampalo]

@Justin McCray nice troll :)

[@nettieg8103]

I've watched your intro so far ... and it hit me that this is something I often hear in my RL job - you get to choose your attitude regardless of what slaps you in the face each day. Looking back over the last few weeks, I can see I'm choosing to wallow instead of enjoy which is making me toxic which is probably more offensive to some than the poorly designed game systems. I don't enjoy the grinds and much of what I've seen you point out thus far. But man I have hella fun when my friends are on and we're pushing something we haven't done before. I think my take-away from this is enjoy what I like about this game. Contribute where I can to make it better. Take a break from the game (an hour a day a week?) when I'm suffocating in the toxic.

[@SuperTastyWafflez]

wait there are people complaining that guilds are stupid?

[@tobarstep]

I get what you're saying. I finished Skyrim about 2 weeks after it came out. I'm still playing it 7 years on. Heavily modded, but that keeps it fresh. There's no reward there whatsoever.

[@bobdole2634]

preach how many expansions away from the transition of the game to mobile do you think we are?

[@daviddavidson6289]

Not far off. Look up 'Crusaders of Light' MMO mobile game with the same art style of WoW made by Netease, the same company they have developing Diablo Immortal. Blizzards top devs already on the mobile team and they stated they have mobile games coming out for all their IPs.

[@naejimba]

Welp, considering they have dumbed down classes, removed a majority of abilities, put some baseline abilities as talent choices, worked on an "action camera" (which would be needed to play on a phone), put in an in game store, allow us to buy high level characters, AND now have a frustrating RNG system for loot that is a grind, with no way for the player to determine what they want or what to work on (unless that became a microtransaction), I'd say we are pretty damn close. I mean, look at all the changes over the years that are slowly pushing us in this direction. The joke used to be they were preparing WoW for consoles... the truth might be far worse.

[@zach6395]

I got a cold chill reading that

[@Brigadune]

Great video! I do think that rewards greatly increase the amount of fun I have doing something. I'll do anything in WoW the first time for fun, but need some reason to go back or else I feel like I'm wasting my time. Even though I love raiding with my guildies, I would rather use my sub fee on another videogame if there is not a reason to repeat content. I am the kind of person though that never reads books or beats games more than once.

[@rscotthopson]

I know I for one already unsubbed. Sick of gambling in games, unsure wow will get me back. I feel for you since you're kinda forced to play to make content

[@nerull84]

Tbh its really important and im glad people like you Preach, are making these videos. Cause i think many of us have the same reaction/feelings of these matters. But you have more "power" in what you do to reflect on all these issues. And something might change cause of it. The era on modern wow is fading away imo. Maybe they do this in order to get us moving over to classic wow instead. Wow reminds me more and more of the direction D3 went. Dont know if its the more powerful people on the top of the company chain who has to do with it. But as i was saying. The era of Blizz is fading. They are still GODLIKE in making cinematics. But thats it im afraid. Its time to look for something else. Keep doing what you do. Peace \o/

[@H-D-D]

If you arent big into PvP like I have been since TBC idk how youre still playing BFA... 😂

[@ex0148]

Such a shame this video will make zero impact @Blizzard, but I very much enjoy and appreciate the youtube videos. Really well thought out and good content.

[@raeesgaba9270]

Efficiency has ruined the genre

[@r.gletscher5162]

Raees Gaba the casual crowd ruined the genre. Island expeditions, warfronts and worldquests werent made for hardcore players. And ironically they are even hated by casuals now. Nothing is rewarding anymore. The mythic uldir transmog gear looks like leveling greens, completely bland. The trinket from mythic ghuun is so terrible it barely sims above some worldboss/worldquest trinkets 30 ilvl lower. A m+18 gives as much ap as a 2 minute worldquest, because why reward challenging content? If you alienate your most dedicated players everything will trickle down to the mainstream crowd. This has been observed countless times as most streamers and content creators are more engaged with the game and more into the endgame than your average mainstream player. And if all content creators are majorly negative about a game the masses will adapt that mentality sooner or later, even if its about stuff that doesnt and has never affected them when playing themselfs.

[@Kenkyofukai]

I actually quite enjoy FFXIV right now. If you can get past the "kawaiiiii desu" weabo-crowd, it's pretty damn good. The only thing that took some time getting used to is the 2 second gcd. Give it a go, it's free until level 30.

[@r.gletscher5162]

@@Kenkyofukai I got behind the kawaii desu crowd once and was greeted with even more OwO's. Cant recommend if you are not a weeb yourself. If you are and call your bodypillow by his first name you will enjoy it a lot more than wow.

[@bradluck1108]

Thank you for the well made video, I value your effort sir

[@SeraVaeVictis]

To all the people whinning about their guild dying: People don't stay in guilds because of content, but because of the people in them. At that point, if people are leaving as soon as progress stops being super fun, you're no better than a pug. Specially when pugs can get the content you deem "Progression" way faster than your group. I've led my current guild for 5 years and we're pretty casual but we focus on having a great atmosphere, we only get to kill 2-3 bosses on mythic by the time the next raid comes out but we never have roster issues becuase everybody loves coming online to raid with fun people. So maybe it's time to stop whinning at blizzard and re-think your group strategy.

[@lampalo]

What? It's not about "staying" in the guild or not, it's about staying in the GAME or not. Almost no reason for any, let's say top 300-400 guilds member to play this game anymore. We clear the raid mythic on wednesday in sub 2 hours and then run our 3 alt keys. Come thursday i have nothing else to do in the game, repeat this 3,4,5,7,8,10 weeks and see how long you stay subbed. The better the guild the smaller the roster, so it "dies" fast when this kicks in.

[@SeraVaeVictis]

​@@lampalo You're hardly the target audience for my comment if your guild clears mythic. So i'm not even going to finish reading your comment as you clearly didn't even bother to read mine.

[@awdunc]

Indeed. I worry that the current system is increasing guild drama, but that could just be my guild, and my guild has pretty thoroughly imploded (largely due to drama). I don't really want to waste time finding another, though. So the questions is, what does the game offer enough to keep me playing even though my guild can't do the same anymore.

[@SeraVaeVictis]

​@@awdunc Can't answer that for you friend, the main thing that motivates me is mantaining the guild and raiding. I don't really chase any particular carrots outside of guild events, i just do whatever i feel like doing be it farming cosmetics or whatever my current interest is, i have barely touched warfronts for example, tho the idea of heroic warfronts with the guild sounds pretty fun. If i don't feel like playing the game, i don't, i do something else. The best i've got for you is try something you haven't tried yet, gauntlet style just get 'em all done and perhaps you will find something that will resonate with you. If not well, perhaps you should just stop playing the game, there's nothing wrong with that. Honestly wish you the best and hope you find something you enjoy, if not in this game, the next big thing.

[@fredrick1176]

SeraVaeVictis right. Same guild here, and my brother was in a similar one as well. But our guilds disbanded because BFA is just meh. Why raid when you can get gear easier through other means. Well why get gear at all anymore, everyone hits 370 within a month or so playing doing basic content. Those are the reasons we left, we just switched games instead of running on the mouse wheel. But like you said, if you have fun doing it then keep at it. Your set of friends enjoy BFA and that’s great, but great guilds/friend guilds do disband because people don’t have fun with the systems/content.

[@EncorePerformances]

BfD shaping up to be an amazing Mythic raid is the only reason I haven't called it quits. This video puts a lot of my feelings into words.

[@user-yn1do3ll9i]

After many years I unsub WOW, is sad to play now. Start FFXIV superb game. Blizz need be very creative to me come back.

[@r.gletscher5162]

Too weeb-ish for me and the community is even more casual than wow. And the endgame is not as challenging as wow most of the time. I wish we would get actual hardcore mmos back and keep the fortnite crow precisely there. In fortnite.

[@styxzero1675]

I started playing osrs. Made me remember why I used to love the mmorpg genre. It is not the flashy graphics or insta gratification. It is the sense of community and hardship you go through trying to achieve your goals. There is nothing that rival that feeling. Achiveing a goal that span over several weeks is a way more satisfying feeling and something that will stick in your mind for years to come rather than achieving goals every 20-30 min of gameplay. Make it way less memorable. I realised that I dont need a carrot infront of my face 24/7.

[@benoitrousseau4137]

​@@r.gletscher5162 FF may be more casual friendly than WoW but at the same time I find FF's casuals a lot more competent than WoW's. The game forces them to do bosses with a lot of mechanics just to finish their main story and unlock stuff and there's no DBM. Whereas WoW's casuals have trouble with LFR G'huun which is like 3 mecanics and one of them is just "don't cast"... There would be a meltdown in WoW if a LFR boss was as "hard" as Nidhogg, Shinryu, Tsukuyomi, or Alphascape V3/V4... WoW's only more challenging than FF at the extreme top end, ie Mythic raids and Mythic +15 dungeons.

[@r.gletscher5162]

Lorem Ipsum which is what i am interested in. I dont see myself playing wow casually, or any other mmo for that matter. If i stop pushing i will just stop playing and focus on something else. Its just not my cup of tea, but i can see why others would like it.

[@joke_d]

I am still subbed and maybe log in once every other week and pug a m+ and that is it. But mostly the reason I stopped playing was because my guild went from 20-30 ish players to 60-70ish where 40 wanted to raid. I had already prepared myself for raiding during the 1st week getting 340+ but was busy the days before the raid was released so when I came back the leadership was already overwhelmed with how many players there where, so I ended up not getting the trial rank and raiding the first weeks. Which kinda killed most of the fun for me in a instant. I played on alittle more for a week or 2, did some m+ and leveld my horde toon and did some pvp. Sure I can probably go back now and start gearing up in HC with them for Mythic but I'm not just excited for anything in BFA. I played months in Legion without raiding during some times and was still having fun even though raiding has always been the main thing for me, but it doesn't feel the same with BFA.

[@krymzon28]

Meh. Same shit. Different day. Blizzard dealt wow mortally wounding blow after mortally wounding blow all throughout wrath of the lich king. Then took it out back to the woodshed and executed it with cataclysm. Since then the game has been nothing but the corpse of a once amazing game held together by tape and strung up like a puppet with a tacky new paint job every few years in the form of another expansion. Wow is dead peeps. RIP. Let’s just hope blizzard doesn’t find new and creative ways to butcher wow classic like their horrible track record suggests it will.

[@popojaga7312]

At this point i would be happy to play cataclysm to be fair. Atleast classes were way more fun/complex, dungeons were fun. Not some sam aoe on clock

[@krymzon28]

Popojaga I feel ya. I’d settle for either of those two. I enjoyed both expansions. Wrath more so than cata. But I could see the writing on the wall and the direction blizz was taking wow. It’s a shame what the game has become

[@MultiLoska]

I moved region from UK to US server various reasons etc, so started again in Legion. Now into BFA x3 toons at neck lvl 30, ive moved back into WOD!!! to unlock flying. I honestly never thought that would happen.

[@Blluxx]

sup

[@zoelovegang1656]

Hi

[@rafaelzomgrg]

Well said! Thank you for speaking the truth. Too many wow KZbinrs still hyping BFA. I saw this within the first weeks and dropped my subscription

[@Fatmoviewatcher400]

Nice video, I hope Blizz can really turn this around soon.