BLM // Black Locust Matter

[@paulmitchellphoto]

Army Desert Storm vet here. The military verbiage is right on point brother.

[@indecisivegardener]

Thank you for your service, Paul Mitchell. My husband was in Desert Storm too.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

It’s definitely the best way I know how to describe things. Thanks for your service brother!

[@johnfitbyfaithnet]

Thank you for your service

[@davej7458]

I am new to your channel. I am very impressed. Particularly because you use regular every day words to explain what you are doing and the results you are getting.

[@cameronjames4044]

Black locust also makes great fence posts. We have some on our old farm that are 100 years old and still hard as a rock.

[@573998]

Greetings from Serbia 🇷🇸 Billy your knowledge and enthusiasm is contagious . I'm going to use your ideas here

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Awesome! I am so glad this information is helpful.

[@TheRainHarvester]

I started spreading leaves on raw white cilitchee (sp?) rocky soil. To my surprise a zucchini or pumpkin vine volunteered and has grown with NO watering. Mulch mulch mulch!

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

That’s what I’m talking about!

[@paulblankenship7865]

Billy you taught me a lot in this short video. I never understood how other plants could benefit from the nitrogen fixing done by the locust trees, or other nitrogen fixers. Because the way I understand the process, which may be wrong, is the nitrogen fixer has to die before anything else can benefit from the nitrogen inside the nodules. But when you said the roots self prune themselves to match the density of the above ground mass it hit me. I was right about it having to die. I didn’t know it self pruned that way! Now I understand “how” the surrounding plants benefit. Knowledge is a powerful thing. Thanks again!

[@reggieedmonds5325]

Thanks Professor. I really enjoy learning from your farming .

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thank you my friend!

[@johnfitbyfaithnet]

Indeed

[@grandpaslakehouse-homestea6113]

Maybe I am just a naïve new gardener but it seems to make the most sense to try to copy things nature does in the most productive forests.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Brilliantly stated my friend!

[@TheSkotgarrett]

Great video as always, Billy. Where might one pick up a black locusts matter t-shirt these days?

[@Skashoon]

I’ve never seen comfrey that large. It looks about the size of a healthy rhubarb. Wow! Hope mine grow like that. They’re just now starting to break the surface. Some will need to grow so I can find them, as I planted them in the approximate footprint of where I’ve planned the food forest and fruit tree guilds. Kind of shooting blindly but they’ll be in the ball park.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Give it a little bit of time in that stuff will be unstoppable.

[@EarlybirdFarmSC]

Good information Fam. Thanks for sharing. You are right too, big difference it has made. I am going to look into a few mimosas.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Glad this helps!

[@erwinbrubacker7488]

Amen, brother ; He is worthy to be Praised !

[@lawrencesanders5134]

Thanks so much for this video. I can really use the info in my yard. I have a lot of black locust , but just not in the right locations. This has been an enlightenment.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Glad this stuff is helpful!

[@mandiegarrett1706]

WHOA!!!...Look at the size of that comfy. I have some grew around my pear tree. They are big but not like yours. We have lots of black locations tree thru out our property but I have been contemplating about transplanting some around my fruit tree because it has thorn. Thanks.

[@SergeGrowsOrganicEndHunger]

Great share, the results speak for themselves.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thank you!

[@InnerQi]

I’m thinking about planting nitrogen fixer (like you are) with mulberry-the mulberry as a fodder.

[@raphlvlogs271]

black locust trees will make ideal shrike habitat as well

[@ridingvenus]

🐝 interesting to see those trees now

[@SouthernLatitudesFL]

You are teaching me so much! That first Apple tree is huge! Also, you didn't talk about it but I love those tree guards of hardware cloth. I need to make some of those.

[@busker153]

After ten years doing yardwork in Tucson, AZ's desert, I have grown to seriously hate, "pokies." The desert is filled with things that stink, poke, or poison you, so, while I am with you all the way on N2 fixers, I prefer to find pokie free varieties. LOL

[@darlenesgardenandhome]

I have two plants that "they" say will inhibit growth of other plants -- a black walnut ( only a couple feet tall as I keep it trimmed down) and a fennel plant ( it's huge) . Your video made me think of them.

[@robbielynnhowle]

Wow, that comfrey is huge! So much great information 😊. I hope we can get our guilds on point soon🙏🏻. I’m afraid we planted our trees too close 🤔

[@HomesteadForALiving]

Some folks advocate close plantings to mirror natural forests

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

How close are they and what type of root stock do you have? The close proximity might actually be a good thing!

[@robbielynnhowle]

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 I think 6-8 feet. These are the ones we got on clearance 🤞🏻

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

@@robbielynnhowle you could likely prune and train those trees within that footprint. I’ll show you how to do it on Patreon when fall comes around.

[@robbielynnhowle]

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 sounds great, thanks!

[@hyacinthus.b]

Awesome! Black locust is God-given!

[@schoolofpermaculture]

Wonderful. Love this channel!

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thanks for lighting the match bro!

[@countdown.moments]

Mainstream agriculture has been telling for decades that we have to watch for the NPK levels when you do gardenning... Sadly it has missed the point. When a soil is alive what it does is: I eat Carbon, i poop Nitrogen. Because you have put a mulch with a rich carbon content this is why you have nitrogen available for other trees to grow or the leaves would not be as green. This is why if you have any kind of carbon material on your property, don't burn it make a mulch and drop it on your beds.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

I totally agree. When soil is “alive” everything is provided.

[@milipwn]

good video, i used to let one or 2 of those 'shoots' grow for a couple years and use them as fence post for 'temporarly' chicken yard, also be aware with horses, they can not eat any part of this and most of sort like tree's deffonatly not the seeds they are very poisonous for them

[@GoneCarnivore]

Sweet gums are nitrogen fixers as well. I have one with a small oak beside it and the oak has Extra Large leaves for it's species. I didn't realize until this video why those oak leaves look like they're on steroids!

[@erwinbrubacker7488]

We live in wNC sweet gum grows like weeds. Yes I also found out sweet gum is a soil improver, about 3 wks ago.

[@kellyastleford1169]

From what I have read (brand new to the wonders of black locust) the leaves are only toxic to horses and is the nutrient equivalent of alfalfa!

[@timothylongmore7325]

I've heard the seeds were.

[@mikecrabb4025]

Thanks :)

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thank you!

[@yLeprechaun]

Funny how the folks defying convention just quietly go about getting things done amidst the noise of those who preach it won't work. 1st of your videos I ran across, and Sub'd.

[@EricSeider]

Mimosa is definitely in my top 5 favorite nitrogen fixing support trees. Particularly for urban/ suburban areas tight on space they are much more user friendly as well as providing a great filtered canopy for shade. It’s great that plants can’t read so they don’t even know they’re not supposed to do things like the books say.😉

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Indeed!

[@GrowingLittleCountryhomestead]

Man hopefully the comfrey Nate bought me will grow as beautiful as your comfrey

[@djorfuusk]

Love your channel pal Zero BS, just hard-nosed knowledge bombs Never change sir 💪

[@djorfuusk]

also you should know every time one of your vids pop up I think “crap i still haven’t ordered comfrey seeds” lol

[@rperry1410]

Thanks learning learning airborne

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Right on!

[@yvesberube6067]

Hope I've done the right thing ... I 'heard' you should plant comfrey with your fruit trees because it has a long tap root so will keep the soil looser and in turn help the fruit tree roots spread through the soil more easily. You are perhaps following different reasoning but the bottom line ... I shouldn't have to pull it out I guess ... whew! Do you have any ideas on trees other than black locust or mimosa as nitrogen fixers. Neither are native here in Nova Scotia, Canada. Thank you, enjoying your videos!

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

We use red bud as well but I’m not sure what works up there my friend. I hope to get up there for a visit if things ever open up again.

[@dianapollex3266]

Great channel. Always good advice..

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@janhatchett7834]

How would you determine whether to coppice or pollard a nitrogen fixer?

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Great question! In some regions it helps to have a canopy above your productive trees because of the heat and intense sunshine. Those nitrogen fixing trees tend to be much hardier than your productive trees so they can provide a micro climate until your productive trees become established.

[@ChosenAbundanceFarm]

Very cool. Deer (or something ) ate our grape vines overnight. How can we protect those that are left? They are only a few months old.

[@ghostcraft9343]

My area has a similar problem and from everything I know good fencing is the best way to keep large pests like dear out.

[@Skashoon]

A 3D electric fence and bone sauce on the posts of your trellis. The best results are a double electric fence. The ‘inner layer’ being 2 or 3 wires and then an outer perimeter wire about 4’ outside that. Deer can easily jump a single fence, but are not likely to try to jump a double fence. This plan was developed by some grape growers in Minnesota and Wisconsin and I was a member of that forum. They claim success. Billy will also be offering his bone sauce for sale soon. From what I’ve learned from Billy and a video of Sep Holzer making it, the stuff works well! I’d try the bone sauce alone, first to see if it deters them before going to the expense of an electric fence. If you already have an energizer, then the fence is cheap to build. Some hi-tensile wire and some posts. I like the fiberglass posts from Powerflex Fence because they are simple to work with and don’t require insulators. They are also very forgiving if something charges through the fence. If only grapes were eaten, not leaves or shoots, I suspect birds, bats or smaller animals.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Bone sauce seems to have solved all of our deer issues. I should have some for sale pretty soon if you don’t want to make it.

[@metcalfmills5679]

All you got is good stuff !!!

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Thank you brother!

[@patrickbatuzich7937]

where do yall get your bare root trees from?

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Ty Ty nursery in Georgia and a few others that I don’t remember.

[@neotheone47]

Finally something I can get behind lmao

[@lonefoxbushcraft]

Hey yall im starting a BL plantation fir firewood 🇬🇧

[@ginnypennington1426]

Do you sell the bone sauce? I heard about it from Deep South Homestead!

[@ghostcraft9343]

What time of year is the best for planting fruit trees like apple and cherry in your opinion?

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Always the fall or winter, depending on where you live. For the life of me I can’t understand why nurseries want to always sell them in the spring because most of the root development happens when trees are dormant.

[@ghostcraft9343]

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 I’m zone five of that helps

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

@@ghostcraft9343 probably late October…but it’s hard to say for sure with the crazy weather these days. As soon as the leaves fall is the best time to plant trees.

[@christelchristely2816]

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 that is because all the customers ask for plants in spring. Two thirds of the money from plantsales is earned in spring, at least in Austria. But you are absolutely right, the best times to plant is in fall so the roots can develop until springtime.

[@MsCaterific]

💛

[@davidnielsen2383]

does honey locust serve the same function as black locust for this?

[@MrSummerbreeze01]

No. Not a legume

[@vickisavage8929]

BLM?! 😳😂😂🤣👍👍👍👍👍! MUCH more accurate than Bureau of Land Management (which should more properly be called the Bureau of Land MISMANAGEMENT)! Ignorant question: have you considered planting hazelnuts? They may not be nitrogen fixers themselves, but they are multipurpose producers. I am new to your site and have a LOT of watching to catch up on. Beautiful job with the bone sauce on DSH! Do you, or will you, be selling any of it?

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

We have a few hazelnuts planted but they seem to be slow starters so far. I’m still in the testing phase of the bone sauce but I hope to have some for sale pretty soon.

[@vickisavage8929]

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 👍👍👍!!!

[@samuelgamato971]

Are you in Hawai'i?

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Western North Carolina my friend!

[@EricSeider]

🤣😍 only the permaculture pimp can make North Carolina look like Hawaii.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

@@EricSeider ha ha! I was gonna say it was Asgard.

[@andrewhammill6148]

Instead of comfrey or some other non-productive Nitrogen fixer, why not plant green beans in the areas where you need a nitrogen fixer. You get a Nitrogen fixer and food.

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Comfrey is beneficial, not as a nitrogen fixer but as a dynamic accumulator. We have perennial nitrogen fixing shrubs like Siberian Pea shrub and a number of others in close proximity.

[@EricSeider]

Fertilizer and forage would qualify as highly productive in my book. You could certainly add beans to the mix however. And you can use the black locust as the trellis. Stacking functions.

[@andrewhammill6148]

@@EricSeider Just me thinking outside the box to add a food option to the system.

[@EricSeider]

@@andrewhammill6148 it’s a great option

[@andrewhammill6148]

@@EricSeider Thanks

[@shodson314]

Wow! I didn’t realize my comfrey was going to get so big.....cool! I appreciate your videos and look forward to them. We let the grass over the septic grow and hubby harvested it today ahead of the rain. It went into the chicken coop along with a bunch of vegetable scraps to increase the compost they are working on. This time next year, we hope to do a run with the chicken tractor on steroids but for now we are on the anti steroid plan 🤣🤣

[@PermaPasturesFarm21]

Ha ha! Steroids definitely has its place.

[@hopechannelcat5462]

they say black is beautiful and i guess so

[@lorrainepeckham4211]

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