Mad Minutes: M95 Mannlicher Straight Pull 8x50R From Battlefield 1

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Continuing the Mad Minutes series, Bloke takes an 8x50R M95 Mannlicher Straight Pull rifle for a mad minute spin. How well will it do?
Apparently not as well in real life as in Battlefield 1 I

[@BlokeontheRange]

For comparison, here's the K31 mad minute: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn_Fgpd3qbObg5o

[@sailingmaster]

While I'm sure your times would get a bit better with lots of practice, there's no way you're going to get 35 rounds a minute out of that rifle. That sounds more like something Connie Hötzendorf would say to try and make Serbian soldiers want to run and hide under their beds.

[@damiangrouse4564]

Bloke on the Range That target left in a huff at your comments on the rifle🤡

[@johnthompson965]

Would the quoted 35 rounds per minute be feasible if the target in question was a column of soldiers? I mean to say that in your demonstration. You were shooting on a small target. And correspondingly concentrating somwhat on your shots impacting into a small area. What if the target were a stretched out column of troops? With a much larger area to saturate with projectiles. One might shave off at least a second or two extra off of their time?? I ask this because I know that for the time period in question. Volley fire was a concept on the minds of pre-WW1 planners. And if my memory isn't too awfully mistaken. Didn't the British incorporate a "volley fire" form of sight on their Lee-Enfields?? Great vid though. And keep cranking them out!! You do a just service to those of us enamored with historic fire arms of the past.

[@pnz4aufsh]

My 1st rifle I've bought a few years back is a M95 1916 dated. But the rechamberd m95's in the long rifle configuration. How odd or rare is it to find a long rifle when most where cut down to short rifles? I've been racking my head for a few years now. I wish my m95 was still chambers for 8x50R. It's a very nice example for 1916 and to be a rifle used in the great war. All numbers match from factory.execpt the wood is force matched the bottom wood is the later elm stock while fore end guard is wallnut. No rust most blue worn to silver.and as a bonus it was still in cosmoline and I pulled dirt from around front stacking swivel,sight,rear sight,and dirt/plant material from deep in the grove around buttplate. Dirt was only visible after a long boil and careful cleaning.all dirt and plant matter removed was saved. I apologize for this long winded question but I see you as a very knowledgeable person and a great teacher on Swiss/Austrian rifles. And other topics that dont get the lime light often

[@JVerschueren]

I don't know what making the ammunition and the range time cost, but giving yourself a jumpscare accidentally setting the target retrieval system off was priceless... lol.

[@BlokeontheRange]

That's why I left it in! :D

[@gabemando7823]

Bloke on the Range it’s not bloke on the range unless something goes wrong

[@DRNewcomb]

Anyone who has fired a couple of clips through an M95 will find your performance amazingly fast and accurate. Next mad minute project should be with a Krag using a stack of Norwegian speed loaders.

[@RTJsims]

oh my, i had forgotten about those... yes please

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

As a Krag owner yes yes yes

[@siestatime4638]

I'm not sure that anyone at Wikipedia has ever actually fired a rifle.

[@NSoupFog]

Haha! perhaps some crazy rifled straight pull stapler out there, that fires..? ehh..

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

update the wiki and use this video as a source.

[@ajmonkeymannerdy6983]

Always irritating when people fail to do any research before editing.

[@Stickminbasi90]

@@ajmonkeymannerdy6983 It's like the way the Wikipedia article used to say the Dreyse would burn your face off or something. Then Capandball showed us the weapon being fired without any real issue...

[@TwentythreePER]

I have to say the Mannlicher M95 is my favorite milsurp rifle, no doubt. Not because it's inherently fast or accurate but because of its beauty, quality, mechanism, and history. They are basically a better Mosin Nagant as they were produced in the millions. I'm not surprised it wasn't particularly fast or accurate and even though it's my favorite rifle I am realistic about it. Great video, hope to see more from this rifle.

[@pnz4aufsh]

3.5 million estimated made between 1895 and 1918. Versus 35 to 40 million m91 and m91/30. I don't exactly think the Austrian Mosin or anything along that likes accurately describes the m95. The difference in build quality is astronomical it's more of a work of art compared to a mosin. Only mosin to be exempt is remington mosin made on contract.

[@crabyman3555]

@@pnz4aufsh Mosin design itself also had a lot of flaws and imperfections from the get go. The fragile/thin front grip, the badly designed and fragile magazine, a very rough and sticky bolt throw, all of these things are because of the design itself. No matter who makes them. Finland tried to later deal with these problems and some of their later versions kind of did, but at that point it's more like a whole new rifle since they replaced most of the original parts with their own designed replacements. And even then, they were still inferior to Mausers and the like

[@Zaefnyr]

if you ask me, some people say it's fast just because they played battlefield 1

[@tomalexander4327]

And Battlefield V!

[@Zaefnyr]

in BFV the M95 shoots slower than in BF1, but i think it's still valid

[@Българин_1942]

Dad says that the rifle is really good

[@Lomi311]

The fastest firing bolt action in Battlefield 1 is a Carcano, and the SMLE is one of the slowest. That should show you how historically accurate the balancing of guns is. Fun game though.

[@Paul.M.]

In the hands of a professional it isn't all that fast given the poor ergonomics, but this is a bit out of context, since you have great experience with rifles and you are using it in a controlled and safe environment. It is easy to see why it is said to be faster if you were to compare this to a normal bolt action rifle used by a conscript during combat. It eliminates an extra movement streamlining the process, and under stress having less things to do in order to make your rifle ready to fire means less chances of you screwing up.

[@kevburke]

0:15 the reason people have been looking forward to it is Battlefield 1. It has an extremely fast in game rate of fire and obviously that's going to be replicated in real life...

[@BlokeontheRange]

Ooh, I'd better update the metadata then :)

[@BlokeontheRange]

Clickbatier title now :)

[@kevburke]

I can be your videogame correspondent, if you can afford me. Get those views up!

[@nicholaspatton5590]

Lol in the game it has a rate of Fire of 60 rounds per minute.

[@borkwoof696]

Looked faster than it actually was...

[@BlokeontheRange]

It was more accurate than it felt :D

[@milamber319]

Id say looking at that footage if Mr Bloke had really practiced he might have gotten the rest of that last clip off. But 25 isn't that much better.

[@borkwoof696]

Bloke on the Range do you think that it would be notably faster for an untrained soldier?

[@GunFunZS]

@@borkwoof696 not the bloke but I doubt it . Manipulating the action is not the difficult part of rifle shooting . Finding a target in nature and getting your sites on and stable and not messing up the trigger pull or the hard parts. that takes a lot of time in the practice range to get good at . Something almost no conscript seems to have gotten. without that you spend a lot of time trying to get sites on target and not knowing what you missed .

[@VadarVadar]

I am a simple Austrian, i see M95 i press like By the way the Austrian Phrase "Ruck zuck" which means being fast comes from soldiers using this rifle ins ww1

[@M95-v4r]

Vadar Nachvollziehbar

[@arty7926]

sicher? ist die redewendung nicht älter?

[@M95-v4r]

Arty Das M95 wird auch Ruck-Zuck-Gewehr genannt, weil es eben diesen flotten Repetiervorgang hat. Nicht andersrum, das hat der Typ irgendwie falsch verstanden.

[@arty7926]

@@M95-v4r Ah eben, das macht mehr Sinn^^

[@ThiLI0n]

@@arty7926 It is the action of pull - "Ruck" and push - "Zuck", nothing complicated about it.

[@reddevilparatrooper]

Imagine a 45 man rifle platoon in the Austro-Hungarian Army in a defensive position firing at Italian infantry attacking them. That is still substantial amount of firepower going down range. Of course defenders have a better chance than the attackers in real combat. Northern Italy in the Alps is very difficult terrain. Marksmanship was very essential to every infantryman on both sides.

[@TheHandgunhero]

reddevilparatrooper Those Italians also had very similar rifles and were firing back at you though.

[@nicholaspatton5590]

There is a WW1 movie about Italians and Austrians fighting in the Alps. There is this crazy Italian Commander wanting glory who is absolutely oblivious to his men.

[@Oblio1942]

now also imagine you have no idea whats going on because everyone in the higher ups speaks a different language than you or each other and your military goals are so vague that you have basically have none except go here or stay here

[@WastelandArmorer]

@@TheHandgunhero if you have ever fired one of these and a carcano. The poor Italians were horrendously outgunned.

[@Smarterthanyou-mthrfkr]

I have the 8x56r, i love it. It hurts a little when i shoot it, and gets a little sticky after 20 rounds in succession, with the price of the ammo now, it will never be sticky on me again.:)

[@blueduck9409]

Time to roll your own ammo bud. Dont let the i dustry keep you dry.

[@potteryjoe]

Well, I for one feel that I'm getting great value for my small patreon contribution. Keep up the great work!

[@australian3308]

I find the M.95 so-so at short ranges, but excels over 300 yards (I regularly shot mine at 600 yards). Not tack drivers, but ALWAYS rang the gong at 600 (mine was 8x56R though).

[@LaGuardiaSuiza]

@Bloke on the Range, thank you so much for posting this video! I love this rifle, and I am so happy that you are testing the mad minute on this gun! Thanks again!

[@kirikoucortex7042]

The title reminded me of the days when i was kicking ass in the beta in the desert with iron sights on this rifle, it was so great

[@karoltakisobie6638]

That must have been fantastic rifle when it came out and with original ammo. All rifles we have now have 2 wars behind them,they are worn a lot.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

You did this fine rifle justice.....its an expense one to feed.

[@John1911]

As a straight pull fan, I found that VERY informative actually. Marky

[@445cat]

Great Vid Bloke! This has been hotly debated for a while. One caveat: Unless someone can find Hungarian/Austrian training doctrine on the subject, it's still a debate. However, I'd definitely put my money on your numbers. Thank you for doing the work!

[@blueduck9409]

Thats a great, fantastic rifle, and your shooting is not bad at all. That was pretty quick for such an old timer of a rifle.

[@craigjones9244]

Still a great effort thank you sir.

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Nice report on the M95, accurate.

[@chriswerb7482]

That jump scare was soooo funny! :)

[@exploatores]

It would be fun to see a mad minut with a semiauto carbin and a singel loaded rifle. to get the extream ends. when it comes to cartridge fired weapons.

[@thebotrchap]

Exploatores Garand has been done. I’m sure we could arrange a MM with a Gras, Comblain, Werder or Werndl. Would have to be outdoors though as they are BP loaded. I would also rapidly vanish in a cloud of smoke.

[@exploatores]

I am more thinking of a magazine fed semiauto. Wasn´t it any singel loader in smokeless.

[@thebotrchap]

Exploatores Ah ok, well for now we could do Stgw57 or Stgw90. For the single shot I can’t think of a military one off the top of my head. Historically everyone transitioned to repeaters before or at the same time as smokeless ammo although some BP ammo also transitionned to smokeless (10.4x38R for example) so maybe we can cheat history that way.

[@damiangrouse4564]

Exploatores Real extreme!? Brown Bess v Minigun...what’s the point really? This kind of testing is valid for similar rifles only.

[@thebotrchap]

Damian Grouse I think the only valid test would be a slick single loader like a Comblain or Werder vs a Lebel. I think there would not be that much in it if you consider the time lost reloading the tube mag vs a fast shot by shot ejection and loading.

[@grendelgrendelsson5493]

Very enjoyable, thank you very much.

[@lordDenis16]

Although I knew it wasn't as fast as in the Game, I still have a sentimental liking towards the rifle. Mostly due to the 30th Infantry Regiment "Children of Lemberg" who used the rifle during the war.

[@Mn-yh2bp]

I’ve seen videos were people found these rifles extremely easy to reload, only taking like four seconds to reload from a pouch.

[@Cloudstrife112233]

I think Mad Minutes are kinda funny. The only rifle I'm aware of that can REALLY pull off the "Mad Minute" is the Enfield. There really is nothing quite as fast as the Enfield action in a rested or stationary position. Once you start running around from cover to cover, to simulate battlefield conditions, the Straight-pulls start to shine more, from my experience.

[@BlokeontheRange]

I would like to draw your attention to this video. You couldn't do that with a straight-pull :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKnbZH6vhcempKc

[@Cibohos]

god damn this is a beauty. im getting it. its only fitting to have an austrian rifle in austria.

[@CountSpartula]

Pretty smooth, overall. Minus the uh, shoulder-slipping. But not the fastest i've seen in this series.

[@fleurdelispens]

am I the only one who likes the geeky spreadsheety breakdown? Maybe it's just the statistician in me enjoying the stats. On a completely unrelated note, what happened to the swiss straight pull series? I was really looking forward to the K31 episode

[@BlokeontheRange]

The next one is a bit of an epic on the 1908 trials, for which there's basically no info. And, it will be requiring both cousins. I want to get it right, so I really need to be in the zone to do it. Which is why I haven't worked on the series for a while.

[@dene1196]

Is there ammo available to buy for this caliber rifle?

[@TenaciousTrilobite]

8x50R is very much a dead cartridge, so you're stuck loading your own. If you get one that was converted to 8x56R, PPU makes a batch every few months or so.

[@wtfhaveidone6589]

6:20 Awesomely hilarious.

[@rexfrommn3316]

A moderately experienced soldier with the Mannlicher M1895 rifle might be able to get 12 to 15 rounds down range accurately at 200 meters. A more highly trained soldier could maybe get 20 rounds plus for the first minute but 15 rounds thereafter. The straight pull is probably a little easier for a raw recruit to get used to handling. However, there is no significant advantage in having a straight pull rifle over the Kar 98 or Lee-Enfield SMLE. These rifles are good for a little over 20 rounds per minute for the first minute. After the first minute, about 15 rounds per minute thereafter. The point here is the Mannlicher M1895 was an efficient infantry weapon for its time putting out a consistent rate of fire. I realize at the Mons in 1914 had highly trained British soldiers who could get off close to 30 rounds per minute with the Lee-Enfield. However, many of these highly trained British soldiers were casualties by 1915. The rate of fire for the British soldiers who were trained later on probably fell down to the 15 rounds per minute accurately at a 200 meter human sized target. This rate of fire of about 15 rounds per minute seems to be pretty consistent regardless of the rifle design. So a straight pull Mannlicher M1895 rifle, or a cock on close Lee Enfield rifle, or a cock on open K98 Mauser seems to have about the same rate of fire for the moderately trained replacement soldiers in each of the combatant nations of both World Wars. No bolt action rifle design was significantly better for the average replacement soldier. This replacement soldier was reluctantly pulled put of civilian life for his term of service. The replacement soldier just wanted to go home after his service was done. He didn't give a damn whether the Lee-Enfield was faster than a Mannlicher M1895 rifle or Kar 98 rifle. The replacemnt soldier just wanted to go home, get back to his wife or find a woman to marry and get on with normal family life. The replacement soldier was sick and tired of living with men for far too long in the military.

[@BlokeontheRange]

"I realize at the Mons in 1914 had highly trained British soldiers who could get off close to 30 rounds per minute with the Lee-Enfield." Stop right there. They didn't. They were trained to 15 rounds a minute. The odd one *could* probably do more, but they were not *trained* to do so. But the 15 rounds a minute training continued throughout the war, so even your "reluctant conscript" could achieve it.

[@MrBillcale]

enjoy these ALMOST AS MUCH as forgootten weapons

[@DeimosPC]

That is one beautiful stock.

[@cdnabn49]

I believe the prone position is a hindrance and a kneeling/standing would be more effective

[@BlokeontheRange]

The prone position is the default military shooting position.........

[@BinhNguyen-kx5ry]

Oh the target rifle!!

[@Lv-sl3rm]

Hey, still an incredibly interesting and pretty rifle.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Don't let Little Timmy see you all unsafe at your "that's not a range". Hehehe... OMG your unsafe handling of the target system is going to set off alarms with the internet safety buffoons for sure. LOL

[@aynjeleyes]

Just bought a sporterized one in Australia for $200 bloke just wanted it gone from the shop. I am aware of ammunition available from PPU but it's like hen's teeth. I got reloading dies and about 100 7.62x54r brass cases to make my own as well apparently yay. Have too import all the woodwork the sights and clips from England, dealing with Border Force is such fun.

[@Oldgunnut-jg4yo]

Have you considered ever trying a mad minute with a 1888 mannlicher straight pull? The wedge lock action on those rifles tend to be a lot slicker than the 1895s rotating head.

[@BlokeontheRange]

We only have 1 functioning M1888 clip

[@Oldgunnut-jg4yo]

Thats to bad, have you tried using the clips from your Model 95 mannlicher? they have the open side instead of the closed ones, but are typically interchangable. I have been using model95 clips in my Model 1888. @@BlokeontheRange

[@zelda-kp8nr]

Thank you for leaving in that yelp. Hilarious.

[@grumples1517]

I own both the K31 and an M95/30 and it is VERY noticeable how much smoother the k31 is compared to the M95

[@Oblio1942]

guess im not the only one who shoots these with the ladder sight up using the v at the base of the ladder, tho I tent to bring the slider down to like the 4 or 500 meter range to make more of a peep sight

[@tommurray8312]

gee you make that look easy and theres no way it is

[@devincook2736]

Was the middle finger technique ever part of any formal doctrine? Or were we still too heavily in the 'conserve ammo' level of war to encourage that? With the bolt handle turned down a bit, that looks like it would be pretty doable here

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yes it was, but only at close quarters kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKnbZH6vhcempKc

[@Treblaine]

Anyone got any technical explanation for why straight-pull rifles generally under-perform before the K-31 appeared? And K31 appeared rather late in the game in the 1930's, by that point most countries that were considering adopting a radically different rifle design were going to self-loading rifles or what we'd now call "assault rifles". It's weird how through WW1 and the simmering conflicts of 1920's the quickest action for full-bore rifles was the "primitive" turn-bolt. I heard recently that the reason semi-auto rifles were unlikely to be developed much before the 1930's was the lack of technology to measure how quickly the action was opening when fired. Previous experiments failed because they couldn't see how the action was opening when there was still too much pressure in the chamber. And how that changed with slight changes in cartridge power and fouling.

[@BlokeontheRange]

They don't underperform compared to most of their contemporaries though - that M95 there is far superior in shooting to any sticky-out-bolt-handle turnbolt (although I'd hate to have to strip the bolt in the field...) And although the Lee action was fast right back to the Metford, until you've got charger loading on it in the early 20th century you can't really exploit it to its full potential. That reason for not adopting semiautos seems... erm... strange. There were plenty of designs around, just they were a) expensive, b) complicated, c) unreliable. Being able to see how the action was opening is one I've not heard of, and I've read a LOT of material on the topic, including from the era.

[@Treblaine]

​@@BlokeontheRange Oh yeah, we haven't had a "mad mosin" yet. That'll be a workout. I'm just going by osmosis of information, I have a vague memory hearing that early self-loading rifles were unreliable BECAUSE of the lack of ability to tell they what was going on, i.e. it was extracting too soon, the bolt velocity was way too high, how much bolt carrier slowed down when it tried to unlock and move the bolt, and so on. That was the reason for the trend of trying to make stronger extractors. I have a memory of you mention in the SA80 video one thing that helped "fix" that rifle was filming it in slow motion and seeing the whole extraction and ejection cycle, what exactly was going on, whether things were going on that shouldn't be happening. And I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that the rolling block mechanism that ended up being used in the G3 was developed from analysis of a modified MG42 action firing slightly out of battery, they could see an effective "lever delaying" effect. It would have been really hard to develop that if you couldn't see that effect.

[@BlokeontheRange]

The SA80 fixing was seeing what was happening in the feed pathway and the case during the ejection. The roller-delayed system was in respect of a prototype roller-locked gas-operated rifle - Ian did a video on it. The MG42 can't fire out of battery cos the firing pin is fixed to the carrier.

[@BlokeontheRange]

What the MG42 *can* do though is suffer from bolt bounce and unlock itself early with catastrophic results... It has a little anti-bounce device in there to avoid this. IIRC its locking shoulders are also perpendicular to the barrel, whereas in the rifle in question they were angled.

[@ESG1]

6:20 so Hilarious!

[@edwardsawyer4081]

Question? I have several Enfield rifles with Isapour Indian No 1 rifles. All have a good fit between the stock and wrist but there is a gap ( can see daylight) where the reinforcing pin metal tab is located? Question is this normal ?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Yes :)

[@weisenshi4556]

what about keep the striggle pressed while cycle the action? Is that possible to replicate something old west cow body did to their single shot revolver?

[@death-to-dogma6142]

Not the best rifle, but one I still want cause I think it's cool.

[@宋教仁-b4i]

thumbs up for not calling it mannlicker

[@borealis9842]

Well, the K31 was made in 1931, but this gun was made in 1895, almost a 40 year difference.

[@TenaciousTrilobite]

There isn't really any technological advantage that the 1930's Swiss had in terms of straight-pull bolt design that 1890's Ferdinand Mannlicher didn't. Especially since the Swiss straight-pull bolt design lineage actually goes back to about the same time Mannlicher started the bolt design lineage that led to the M.95. The Swiss design is just smoother.

[@danshaffer2890]

I found either an M95 carbine or an M95/30 at a gun store near me and I'm thinking about grabbing it. Is there any version of the rifle that I should stay away from? I'm mostly concerned about accuracy

[@MyLonewolf25]

Martini Henry? Trapdoor? 1860 spencer? ANY LEVER GAT PLS

[@chrisvaldes1]

The Ruck Zuck

[@Mjutami]

I think you took a bit more time aiming for this one compared to the other rifles, the cycling seemed to be quite fast?

[@nirfz]

I may be wrong, and I know the sights make a big difference, but somehow the ranking also seems to represent your personal time of exposure to the rifles. (At least i believe to remember you mentioning in previous videos of those rifles that you are most familiar with the No4, next in line the K31, then the K98 and last the M95. So for the bolt actions just the K98 and M95 switched positions).

[@BlokeontheRange]

Aside from while filming these videos in one take each, I have spent exactly zero time since about 2001 shooting this fast under these conditions with any of them. And practice is akin to cheating. Shooting this fast with them is a completely different ballgame - and for shooting fast-ish (we're talking 6 rounds in a minute or 12 rounds in 2 minutes) I have not shot anything other than a K31, G11 or K11 since 2001 either. The 2 IPSC matches I did a decade ago with Frankenrifle were under vastly different conditions.

[@nirfz]

@@BlokeontheRange ok, i was assuming that because in my experience movements done often enough, not necessarrily fast, can be done fast when needed more easily than movements seldom done. But then again, that does not have to be the case for everybody. Anyway, thanks for the reply!

[@BlokeontheRange]

I'm not even necessarily doing the same movements when operating them slowly - see for instance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYiteWWuhp1oi6c

[@daetslovactmandcarry6999]

Holy CRAP, it's about time I started catching up... 😲😲😥😢

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

My 2 matching M95s (One made in Styer and the other Budapest) both have smooth actions. The ones I have that are post WWI conversions all suck with the M95/24 being the worst of all of them.

[@lordsummerisle87]

Next mad minute: Brown Bess.

[@Adirondneck]

Bloke, love the channel. what type of charge did you put in the FMJBT? and what type in the cast bullet? I assume the cast bullet was .329?? I'm trying to figure out a safe load for my 8x50R Stutzen. Resized prvi 54R, and .323 250Gr woodleigh flat base round nose. I was going to try 37-38 grains of IMR 3031..anyone have any input on that?

[@BlokeontheRange]

42gn RS50 in each. The cast bullet was .332" because the bore is .330". .329" would have leaded, particularly at 2000 fps.

[@Adirondneck]

Bloke on the Range I actually just got out to the range with my M95 Stutzen 8x50R..using 250gr .323 flat base jacketed woodleighs ontop of 40 grains imr 3031. real mild shooting with decent accuracy at 50-75 yards so far.

[@henrynelson11]

I'd like to see the mosin included in this series for the luls xD

[@Gungeek]

a slick Mosin is way faster ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmjZooN-r5yIaZo

[@gabemando7823]

Commissar lubi mad month

[@merlemorrison482]

yeah, that stubby little bolt handle would make it interesting!

[@gabemando7823]

Merle Morrison slap that mosin boi

[@BlokeontheRange]

@Gungeek It's impressive, but it's not a fair comparison. He's shooting off a bag on a bench with his right elbow free, allowing him to do the massive required movements with his right arm unhindered. I'd like to see him do that prone unsupported (I managed 18 once in competition with one, unloaded start IIRC). With a non-slicked-up standard rifle :)

[@aussievaliant4949]

I like these lesser known rifles. I'd love to get my hands on a M95. The Austro-Hungarians rejected a rotary magazine rifle that Greece adopted as the M1903 (in 6.5mm), and I've wondered what that would be like in the mad minute. It was made by Osterreichische Waffenfabrik at Steyr, and would have therefore been very well made. Thoughts?

[@BlokeontheRange]

No different to any other stripper-clip fed system, really, unless the rotary spring provided more resistance.

[@aussievaliant4949]

Fair enough! I visited Hungary a little while ago and there were many examples of the M95 in the museums I visited. Whilst they may be plentiful in that part of the world, I haven't seen many elsewhere, and certainly not here in Australia. The K31 that you like so much is popular here as an available military surplus, but our focus is often on SMLEs in their various forms (and rightly so)- but, I really like these different types and actions. I have several Mannlicher Carcanos, and these are often sneered at, but they are interesting and (in my view) hold their place from an historical perspective. Anyhoo, thanks for your channel and the many interesting rifles/issues/facts you raise. It is always a pleasure to watch.

[@nirfz]

@@aussievaliant4949 Othias at C&Rsenal has videos on the M95 and the Mannlicher Schönauer (the greeks bought) and i don't remember that they rejected the rotary magazine, (of course i can be wrong about that) but the M1903 was much more expensive and the M95 came 8 years earlier.

[@eaglemasterdan]

Did you pull the .329 bullets from modern PPU 8x56R? And great video Bloke! Makes me want to get my 8x50R M95 up and running

[@BlokeontheRange]

Nah, bought them in a big bag of 500 :)

[@eaglemasterdan]

@@BlokeontheRange god bless PPU

[@gavindavies793]

So what other en-block clip rifles are there still to cover? ping = win?

[@BjornTheWombat]

it would be interesting to see if the Ross would do any better

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

While I don’t doubt the 35 shots a minute is not correct I feel it is possible they could have a fairly high rate of fire as that this would be the only rifle they were shooting and using so they are overly familiar with It

[@BlokeontheRange]

I think you over-estimate how much training they'd get in shooting, and how much time taking clips out of pouches would take... And compare to the 29 rounds I got out of an SMLE (which would have been 30 if I hadn't made a slight error).

[@StevenRecknagelMusic]

Bloke on the Range I didn’t mean they’d necessarily be-able to do it or better but I meant perhaps an average of 25 or so I

[@BlokeontheRange]

If I can't get 25 under ideal conditions, an Austro-Hungarian conscript who's got far less shooting experience than me and hasn't been taught to a proper rapid fire doctrine won't be able to either.

[@dragofill2808]

Canadian ROSS mk3 mad minute?

[@Voelund]

Was that Santa Claus or the Chap who laughed?

[@Stefan_Payne]

Any Chance to see you in a Competition in the US?? Like Desert Brutality

[@BlokeontheRange]

I shall try...

[@bengrogan9710]

The idea that this is so quick is likely BF1's fault. In video games almost any reload is faster for gameplay reasons that irl

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Those reloads looked a lot more fiddly than I imagined they would be. Clip having to be thumbed down like a stripper, and bolt not closing properly seem to have cost about 2 seconds.

[@reillyford1412]

Nice video but I would imagine a trained Austrian soldier would be able to do up to 30 rounds a minute (in good conditions)

[@BlokeontheRange]

a) no, absolutely no way - he'd be loading from a pouch for one, and you're overestimating their shooting training, b) that would burn through his 40 rounds rather fast.

[@itsnodawayitustabe5654]

Mannlicher love

[@apollocreed5391]

Hey what's the jacket for? Is it some regulation

[@BlokeontheRange]

It's so I can shoot fullbore rifle all day while filming and not kill my shoulder. Normally we wear them for support and padding. There's no regulation involved (although in competitions there are definitions of what is/isn't legal on a jacket).

[@apollocreed5391]

@@BlokeontheRange ah that makes sense now, otherwise I would imagine it would wreck your shoulder.

[@jaytonhawkins2872]

The people who thought this rifle was going to be fast because they played Battlefield 1 have got it all wrong. Video games, especially Battlefield, mess with real life weapon statistics to balance the game. I've always felt that the SMLE in BF1 was actually slower than it could have been, simply to balance out the large magazine size. I know Battlefield V is a sore topic, but if you've seen the M95 in that game, it's taken on an entirely different role, and a different rate of fire despite being the same rifle. Lesson: don't look to Battlefield for IRL weapon performance.

[@BlokeontheRange]

I've since found an early reference to claims of 35 rounds a minute, in Capt. C. Shore's "With British Snipers to the Reich" - he laughed at the idea too!

[@bennelson6440]

If you ever see this comment, Bloke, could you do a Carcano mad minute? Partly out of my own interest, and partly in light of the Kennedy thing.

[@bennelson6440]

Btw, I've practiced dry firing my 91 cavalry carbine and have found that middle fingering kind of works for that particular variant

[@dermotrooney9584]

Lovely!

[@3of11]

Do the Mosin nagant and carcano... for poops and giggles!

[@Gungeek]

Both of those can be very fast if you find a good one :)

[@Strato50]

Slick bolt :P

[@BlokeontheRange]

Perhaps I should have insert some comparison from this kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn_Fgpd3qbObg5o but I was saving it for a proper comparison when I've got the 1889 and K11 minutes up :)

[@davidbock8282]

I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion. Do you think reload time would be reduced if you had more practice using this rifle?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Not really to any meaningful degree.

[@nukesploder]

Mosin Nagant Mad minute plz?

[@stephenbond1990]

I can see a professional soldier achieving between 25 and 30 rounds a minute but anyone claiming more is talking out their jacksi

[@BlokeontheRange]

Even that's unlikely. They just weren't trained on that kind of shooting. Plus they'd have been loading from pouches, which slows you down massively... Remember that the Brits were trained to 15 rounds a minute (from pouches, 5 rounds in the rifle), and no continentals seem to have been trained in anything even remotely approaching that.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Let's put it another way - even 30 rounds is only just about doable for Rob of Britishmuzzleloaders and myself with an SMLE, which is much, much faster than an M95. And we've both put far more rounds downrange than a professional soldier would have.

[@khartog01]

Do the clips drop out the bottom?

[@BlokeontheRange]

You can see exactly this happening in the video :)

[@khartog01]

Just had to be sure.

[@biggles1024]

Where's Timothy the Troll? :P

[@thebotrchap]

biggles1024 Had a 🤯 as the green mat he was so adamant wasn’t on a range is unequivocally shown to be in fact on a range.

[@BlokeontheRange]

"All I'm seeing is two tables pushed together"... "Then you're seeing something that's not there, cos that's not two tables pushed together" lol

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

Can we see a 1889 rubin mad minute?

[@BlokeontheRange]

Soon, soon. All in good time :)

[@MrRedeyedJedi]

@@BlokeontheRange yay! Lol. I'm getting one soon

[@davidaitchison8875]

If that had been a static 200 meter target, most of those shots would have missed. If the target had been moving, (as people are want to do when being shot at) all of them would have missed.

[@mikeblair2594]

I've never heard the word "data" said in a creepier fashion . Weirdo

[@BlokeontheRange]

I guess you haven't watched the 1986 film "Short Circuit" then... :P

[@dorianshepard2841]

These are fun rifles but the action is nowhere near as smooth as the Swiss guns, and sometimes you're at the mercy of the quality and condition of the en bloc that's in at that moment. Sometimes they don't line up perfectly and you have to give the bolt a 2nd push home.

[@deepbludreams]

The Enbloc loading system is genius if done right, it's the biggest strength of the M1, double stacked enbloc clips are very resistant to slight bends, rust and loss of springy-ness, the 95 and earlier rifle's adaptation of the Enbloc? not so much.

[@dorianshepard2841]

@@deepbludreams It is a good system in concept. i have 10 clips for my M95 and one of them doesn't really work at all, and has a different maker mark than most of the others and you can visually see the dimensions are slightly off. just that tiny bit that makes a difference. most of them do work fairly well most of the time. that said, if you have a good example M95, keep the internal bolt lubricated, and have clips that are decent it has potential to be relatively fast - but you also have to be aware of the occasional inconvenient hangup and what to do about it when it arises. Of course, that's an issue with basically any manually actuated rifle. My only real complaint with it is that it takes notably more force to actuate the straight pull than it does on the Swiss guns.

[@Adirondneck]

D NP i've tried WW1 era Habsburg stamped clips, Nazi era dirty bird clips, and I believe Romanian clips in my M95 Stutzen I found they all needed a little bend and tweek here and there with little pliers to fit my rifle perfect. but they all function as designed now. I spent awhile cleaning cleaning my M95 bolt and lug runs, the thing is glassy smooth with the proper grease.

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

Not a m1893? Blasphemy! I've noticed the Mannlicher straight pulls have a considerable amount of friction in the design of the bolt. Maybe they weren't as bad when they were factory fresh but the bolt feels like it leverages itself against the receiver and drags.

[@Gungeek]

from the few i have had seen as they get some wear the bolt head trys to turn and drags in the raceways.

[@alexja5793]

👍👍👍

[@andreweisen99]

I think the Ross mk3 is a bit faster

[@avp5964]

[@LMyrski]

The Mauser is quicker than that. Try shooting it as often as you do the Enfields first and then leave your anti-German bias at home.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Lol no it isn't. Simply on the forces required and the distance you have to move it cannot be as fast. Und warum würde ich Vorurteile gegen deutsche Sachen haben?

[@LMyrski]

@@BlokeontheRange LOL! Almost everyone I know who watches your videos notices your bias, not against Swiss Germans, but definitely against Germans. And, given that you prefer/worship the Enfields and use them often, that makes you faster with them. Had you been new to each (and had no idea one was German) the time difference would have been a lot smaller. Remember too, your 98 is used up rubbish per your earlier videos. Hardly a fair comparison, but you weren't looking for a fair comparison. Try a better one. I'll tell you one thing, I own practically every Lee since the Metfords. Great rifle, but they don't age as well as Mausers and are a lot more prone to breakage.

[@BlokeontheRange]

Lolwut? That nasty looking 98k of mine significantly out-shoots all my Whereaboo friend's nice looking ones at 300m, and is far smoother in the action than any of them. Which is why I've still got it. And your comment there is a "tell me you can't shoot fast without telling me you can't shoot fast": I bet I shot my 98k in the Mad Minute miles faster than you can shoot anything, lol...

[@LMyrski]

@@BlokeontheRange Sure....

[@shadopulse5185]

Idk man, I don’t really want to lich a man

[@merlemorrison482]

were those full power loads, or somewhat reduced?

[@Gungeek]

the bullet would be underweight if it's for the 8x56r ;)

[@merlemorrison482]

@@Gungeek guess you didn't watch the vid - it's an 8x50R

[@BlokeontheRange]

The bullet was indeed for an 8x56R so was light for 8x50R. The cast bullets were full weight and velocity though.

[@Gungeek]

@@merlemorrison482 i said bullet not case :/

[@merlemorrison482]

@@Gungeek and the case makes a difference