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To clarify: I don't think all of these are bad translations - I actually think most of them are quite impressive. Nor do I know how much contact the english translation team had with From Software. I wish I did. I'm just doing my best to point out some discrepancies. Getting this video out of the way is important, because now we can be more confident in the english we're reading. If anyone is calling out Frognation for doing a bad job translating, then they're being vacuous.
And yes, I remember Rom is apparently female.
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[@CloudCuckooCountry]

Considering Myazaki made the Souls games to try and capture the feeling he got when reading English fantasy stories when he didn't have good English comprehension, it's actually really appropriate that things in his games get _lost in translation_. XD

[@Darkblos]

He himself said that the books he read weren't meant for his age, so he made up the parts that he didn't fully understand, and added a bit of his own imagination to it, that's where the whole thing with the lore being in item descriptions and the ambiguity that surrounds the story of his games came from.

[@DawidKov]

+CloudCuckooCountry Actually, things getting lost in translation is a common thing. It's just that there aren't as many translated things in English speaking countries.

[@LedZeppelin03Music]

+CloudCuckooCountry What was Myazaki reading? Do you know any titles?

[@Darkblos]

I guess he read books by Lord Dunsany, which is the main source for the story of Demon's Souls, and Berserk (Manga) had a big influence on Dark Souls, and H.P. Lovecraft is also a source to the story of Bloodborne.

[@MrQuelquDeux]

+LedZeppelin03 Definitly Lovecraft. But probably a lot of other things too.

[@TheShadowCookie]

"Laurence and the Moon Monsters" sounds like a pretty sweet album cover.

[@Kroatowa]

True

[@Wizardcleave]

+TheShadowCookie Definitely a prog rock album

[@GmodPlusWoW]

+TheShadowCookie Could be a glam rock band, too.

[@fatbastardbeats]

+TheShadowCookie Sounds like a Bowie album name tbh, RIP

[@truetype80]

lol

[@tipoomaster]

I find Micolash's final words cruelly funny. He's worried about forgetting when he wakes up, but when he wakes up, he'll find...Nothing, as he's a long dead corpse in the real world.

[@tragicjon6193]

that's the tragedy of it, he's been here so long, he doesn't know if he even has a body to go back too.

[@cesverc]

I never even thought of it. Brilliant.

[@EthnHDmlle]

Perhaps Gehrman is dead in the real world. That is why he is trapped. Or maybe Maria is too. And the doll was an attempt to give her a body.

[@joeymadarang5532]

@@EthnHDmlle but no, we see gehrman in the real world sleeping (dreaming, in this case) crying about wanting to wake up.

[@darkmaskx17]

@@joeymadarang5532 he was sleeping in his dream... Ok now that's beyond sleeping while standing ...

[@MrGeremyTibbles]

The Japanese name of Rom could be a reference to Azatoth from Lovecraft's works, as he's referred to as an "Idiot God", who has more power than he knows, and possibly isn't even thinking.

[@RoboBoddicker]

Agreed. In fact, it's the same term used to describe Azathoth in Japanese: 盲目白痴の神 (Moumoku Hakuchi no Kami - the Blind Idiot God). And Rom is 白痴の蜘蛛 (Hakuchi no Kumo - the Idiot Spider).

[@n0denz]

@@RoboBoddicker Then it's a case of meaning being lost when Lovecraft was first translated to Japanese since _idiot_ obviously isn't being used as an insult but in an antiquated sense. Fitting that the word would get translated back to English with more meaning being lost.

[@RoboBoddicker]

​@@n0denz Actually, the original Japanese translation of Lovecraft is pretty spot on. 白痴 (hakuchi) is an antiquated clinical term for severe mental deficiency, just like 'idiot' in English - it was certainly chosen to convey Lovecraft's intended meaning. It's an offensive term nowadays (like 'retard' in English), so it's unlikely you'd see it in a modern video game except as a reference to Lovecraft :) Sorry, I didn't make that clear!

[@n0denz]

@@RoboBoddicker Ah gotcha.

[@ashiscjohnson9745]

i also think it could be that rom is protecting humanity and everyone thinks that it’s stupid as everything changes when we defeat Rom

[@futuramarox789]

3:33 that swing hitting the doorway actually pained my heart and soul

[@ThanhPham-yp5ui]

he played it so badly, the whole encounter I mean

[@kevinwu1999]

when Vaati mentioned that "The One Reborn" in Japanese means "The Ones Reborn". It made me think that the boss is actually the School of Mensis scholars who tried to commute with Mergo. Not only did they contact Mergo and lose their sanity, but they were also able to elevate themselves to a higher being.

[@thenamelessking375]

Might be true 👍🏻

[@serene-illusion]

I never even thought of that. That makes a lot sense, actually

[@dentlos806]

I wouldn't really call incessantly puking poison a trait of an "Ascended" being

[@KuratCTA]

@@dentlos806 Ebrietas and Brain of Mensis aren't any cleaner lol

[@aromaticflower]

Ah god, at the very least it makes perfect sense that they'd be a conglomeration of Mensis scholars.... especially since they seem to come out of the Blood Moon

[@AshyGr33n]

Some insight from a trained translator: The most important aspect for translation is the understanding of *context*. The history, the culture, the situation during which the words are being said, the intended audience, the identity of the speaker, everything adds up to the context of a piece of work, and understanding that is central for a translator to comprehend the work they're translating, which is in turn the basis to produce good translations. Bloodborne though...well, let's just say it's a game that tells stories passively. You don't get pages of lore and dialogues like in most RPGs, and the world itself is a confusing mess (not that it's a bad thing). A professional translator would spend days to communicate with the original producer to figure out the context and intention, if all they get are these seemingly puzzling one-liners for characters who's background may take pages to explain. I'd imagine that Bloodborne's localization team didn't have the luxury to do so - time difference, inter-bureau communication, deadline imposed from above to plan ahead voice acting, etc. They may have to fill the blanks themselves during their "localization", which technically speaking is a very unprofessional thing to do, but hey, sometimes it will have to do. (Also there's the obvious copyright maneuvering for the set that clearly should be named "Tomb Raider set")

[@jakeeastman5629]

Ash Green I gained 9 insights

[@olivermorin3303]

So maybe they should've called it the "Graverobber's set" instead.

[@mitchsz]

Couldn't they just use "a person" instead of assuming gender in some items that do not have a specific sex in the description? There is no way for an english speaker to know that item belongs to Maria if they see "HE" in the item.

[@swirls5801]

or maybe, given the scale and complexity of the world of bloodborne, the people who are translating the game into english, the game's primary language, were given a lore bible so that they didn't need to 'fill the blanks themselves'? is such a thing unthinkable?

[@olivermorin3303]

@@swirls5801 Do you have any proof that English was meant to be the game's "primary language"? I'm not picking a fight, I'm just genuinely curious.

[@lionblaze99]

what if the old hunter's bone was Gehrman's amputated leg. It would explain how it gives the quickening ability to those who use it as the quickening was a technique of Gehrman's. It would also explain why the technique was used only by Gehrman's disciples. As eventually the bone and the technique with it, must have been lost when Gehrman's workshop was shut down. Plus the bone looks quite like a human femur, a severed one at that.

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

It's a bone of an old Hunter who was an apprentice to Gehrman. Which means it belongs to the unknown hunter, not Gehrman

[@Tigercup9]

That’s cool but also *directly* contradicts the description of the item. In addition, Gerhman’s alive (in the Nightmare, at least) so it doesn’t make much sense for him to be dug a grave. And if he is dead in the real world (like Mikolash), would he be buried with his amputated leg? Do amputees do that? I don’t know, seems weird to me.

[@darrensucksatgames]

It could be his apprentice kept Germans leg after amputating it?

[@rosegoid2307]

@@Tigercup9 I've known amputees to keep their original body parts for burial. Idk the reason behind it other than just wanting all of yourself to be burried together. Pretty common.

[@rodrigojimenez2535]

it's like a jigsaw puzzle, you always want to put it away all together, not missing any pieces, right?

[@JordanSmith-yi3ji]

So, Moon Presence's full name is Flora, the Moon Presence. A sweet sounding name for one of the most terrifying things in Bloodborne.

[@endersaurus5212]

It's an elegant great one not some terrifying beast... Really you the player disturbed the moon presence itself... And we don't know it's true goal...

[@dumbsterdives]

Pretty sure flora is just the doll referring to the flowers everywhere, not sure why everyone thought she was talking about MP

[@NovusLampshade]

+Zach Camp (Karkat Vantas) yeah, I thought she was simply referring to the Lumenflowers, since it's "flora of the moon."

[@filthydaemonspawn1206]

Oh come on, we all now that the Doll is the most terrifying thing in BaeBorne :^)

[@putyograsseson]

+Rage Angel yeah she the real mvp

[@Shinoyami65]

"The Ones Reborn" makes much more sense, implying that it was an attempt to resurrect all the corpses that make up the creature rather than an attempt to resurrect a nebulous singular entity.

[@BlazingAzureCrow]

Translations aside, I do so enjoy the English voice-overs over the Japanese.

[@mmurcha2268]

i normally hate english voice over over original japanese versions but i agree this one works far better with english. japanese voice seems a bit off prolly because of the setting. i love eileen's accent!

[@nbodeh4658]

Maybe because bloodborne native language is English not Japanese? It was aired in Japan with English dialogues and subtitles. Almost whole plot of the video is fake simply because of that fact... in bloodborne case, its English being translated to Japanese, not Japanese go English. Even release date was 24th in US and 26th in Japan... also they did work a lot with European studios thats why they got uk's award among many others

[@slothful2039]

@@mmurcha2268 I mean it is a Victorian Era inspired game. So I can see what you mean.

[@c.s.7097]

@Lincoln Ledger sounds like your girlfriend needs a new boyfriend

[@alpharedhed4446]

@@nbodeh4658 A japanese games native language is english?

[@CharmS354]

Why can't the betrayed scholar be the Queen herself? That would explain why her blood is so pure and different to not only become immortal but also to make use of the strange blood dregs. Historically it was pretty common for royalty to be educated by colleges, which had largely become exclusionary institutions to justify political power through "education". You couldn't get a government job without a degree, but you couldn't get a degree without a powerful family.

[@CharmS354]

+Chance Morgan This could also tie the executioners to the hunters, an order of powerful warriors in scholarly gear who use strange, tainted weapons. Perhaps more leftovers from the dark ages that sacked the fishing hamlet and unleashed terrible curses.

[@andreatavaglione6459]

nice one!

[@nobleradical2158]

That was my immediate thought upon hearing about the betrayer as well.

[@alfreid8650]

I think it is admirable that you are digging deeper into the lore by interpreting the original Japanese language Vaati, however as a native Japanese speaker who follows the lore forum down there, I need to tell you that they will prefer the English text and subtext to ascertain most details and sometimes, to even disregard the Japanese. Because of how ambiguous the language can be to describe things it is generally considered better practice to look into the English translations (much like how the Lost Sinner was found a female in DS2). If things are ambiguous in Japanese it is checked in the English version for clarification, not the other way around. The general notion is that Souls series has its roots in English, and whilst other localisations may lose meaning in translation, the English version is considered superior in terms of reference. That said, it is up to your interpretation to make whatever meaning you would like out of it and From encourages so. Because not many of the Japanese community write in English, I wanted to point out the peculiarity of backpedaling to Japanese. Anyway, there are additional points of contribution I wanted to make: 墓暴き(Tomb Prospector Set) - this directly translates to Grave Pillager. Still pertains the sinister meaning. 再誕者 (One Reborn) - If it was 再誕者達 it would imply plural, but the game description is just singular. "Resurrected" is probably a more direct translation to 再誕 白痴のロマ(Vacuous Rom) - 白痴 (hakuchi) is translated as Vacuous, traditionally used as a derogatory term for idiot, mentally disabled, and is a taboo. From this, it has been postulated that Micolash coined this phrase ("...As you did for the Vacuous Rom, grant us eyes...") in envy that Kos granted Rom eyes but not to him. Another theory to this is that those that get in contact with Rom are idiots (白痴) as Rom herself has so much insight that any mere mortal that approaches her just pales in comparison.

[@VaatiVidya]

Thank you for this insight, it's a shame I only discover comments like yours after making the video - it's something I sorely would have liked to have included in the video itself. Once I'm back at a PC I'll try remember to track down this comment again and add it do the description. At the very least, I hope people find the discrepancies in this video interesting. I wish we knew which translations FROM themselves put the most stock in..

[@alfreid8650]

VaatiVidya Thank you for your sincere response too, I didn't expect a reply. Your work continues to be better each time and the Japanese community envies such a talented story teller to be in the English community. It's always fun to see what the Japanese community theorise and they check it with the Western community's interpretations. I didn't know you were making this video this time, but I would be more than happy to contribute to further works and collaborate with others to bounce ideas so that quality of the information is refined - although I am native Japanese I couldn't say my interpretation of the language is flawless. But where I could add value to the table, I'd love to. What is the best way to be in contact?

[@thatguyintherain3168]

@@alfreid8650 ouch, 7 years and no reply

[@JVarley9001]

Technically, vacuous also means stupid. It's just a more flowery way of saying it.

[@HueghMungus]

I don't get english that much, I thought it meant "hard" Rom or thick rom, as I know the word viscous and I thought it meant the same xD Now I know it means stupid haha :D

[@juanpablomontalvo4715]

a a Well vacuous means Vast but empty, when someone is called empty headed it means they’re stupid, its an interesting bit of word association Vacuous can also describe how much space something has to be filled, rom’s head was empty but he had a bunch of arcane knowledge because of it being a semi failed great one

[@Mrfour-lt2oz]

Thick also means stupid.

[@silent_stalker3687]

Racist Communist Cowboy No Thick means Thicc

[@mamuf]

Yeah, they could also translate it as "witless" which would be more obvious perhaps. In the end I think "vacuous" is fine.

[@JPgreekgaming]

Maria's voice in Japanese is incredibly haunting, mesmerizing and captivating. I wish Japanese studios allowed western audiences to choose to keep the original Japanese audio with English subs along with the option for full English dubbing. Beautiful video and thanks for giving us a chance to know Loremaster , he is an amazing guy!

[@Xero_Kaiser]

+JP Gaming "original Japanese audio" No, not really. The english voices are the original ones.

[@JPgreekgaming]

+Xero Kaiser Maybe so. Does not change the fact that I personally (and this is entirely subjective) prefer the Japanese audio :) Others might not agree and that's perfectly fine, thus why i said we need the option to choose and not be forced one over the other. Also this is not limited to Bloodborne but Japanese games in general. Check out the English dubbing for games voiced originaly in Japanese like Shenmue for example...I mean there is always the option of importing straight from Japan but then you run into other problems.

[@SuperDrDVD]

Hello, I just noticed something interesting. I always listen to the Bloodborne-Soundtrack while jogging. (Makes you run a bit faster) Anyway, I'm pretty positive that the Gehrman Boss music and the Lady Maria music share the same melody in a few parts. And the Cleric Beast music and the music of Laurence, the first vicar have the same choir recording in the background. This is either completely coincidential or it could give some more insight regarding the lore.

[@alaricwilliamson5067]

Laurence and Cleric Beast definitely have the same tune, Gehrman and Maria, I'm not so sure.

[@abigcupofwater]

It is fairly common in soundtracks, especially movies, to have themes that repeat in different forms throughout- Shrek actually does this pretty well. So you're probably on to something here, especially considering the effort they put into the Hypogean Gaol chanting

[@GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Rom the Retarded Spider would have been pretty damn funny to see pop up when the fight started.

[@alzhanvoidsansado]

GR8GODZILLAGOD I'm sure Japanese people had a good laugh when they first played it 😂

[@bowmanc.7439]

Though to me the word used in Japanese is a more formal word to describe a mentally retarded person. People would still use it for swear word but it can also be used in polite conversations.

[@erikjacks9370]

@@bowmanc.7439 Rom the Disabled Spider would be awesome.

[@personman1148]

Well looking at how his minions slam their heads into the ground it seems about right.

[@hireslehibousacre756]

GR8GODZILLAGOD well, in the French translation, rom is literally called the stupid spider

[@Arexion5293]

Flora... plantation, the plants of a specific area... Lumenflowers. o.o

[@slightlytwistedagain]

+Arexion5293 Or referring to the Roman goddess Flora due to the flowers in the Dream and the Moon Presence being a goddess.

[@Arexion5293]

slightlytwistedagain That's probably where the name comes from. I was just thinking about the flowers being possibly connected to the moon presence.

[@slightlytwistedagain]

Arexion5293 I think the best way to describe her is the flower goddess of the dream rather than call her Flora. The English context of the word Flora only really applies to plants these days which adds to the confusion when it comes to the name of the Moon Presence.

[@linkonair]

+slightlytwistedagain Flora also applies to 'fertility' as well, which could very well have ties to the hunter becoming an infant Great One. "Every Great One loses it's child, and then yearns for a surrogate." Though this does leave the question of who Flora's lost child was though; I suspect Mergo, perhaps? though it seems to have ties to a separate Nightmare from which our hunter presides. It would make sense if the Hunter's Nightmare didn't [seemingly] establish that each Nightmare/Dream has a Host and Great One presiding over it. The Nightmare of Mensis with Micolash and the Brain of Mensis, with Mergo the infant great one. The Hunter's Nightmare with Maria and the late *Mother* Kos, and the Orphan. Following this pattern I can only assume Gherman is the host of our Dream/Nightmare, with Flora as the presiding Great One, and the hunter as the infant, or surrogate infant Great One, depending on the ending. I suppose that would leave the question of who or what the lost children of those great ones were. Perhaps I'm overthinking it.

[@MidnightatMidian]

+Arexion5293 Yes exactly, the flowers are connected with the kin kind, there s flowers all around the dream hub, there s flowers growing out of eyeballs... There s flowers around the altar of despair, there s flower around the celestial emissary, there seems to be some differents sorts or evolution of these flowers, maybe it s part of the lore..??

[@Rhionafarley]

Why couldn't Annalise have been the betrayer? She's the only one we see with regenerative qualities, and as the first of the Vileblood line, the one with the purest of the Vileblood, (being that she would have been the first of them) it makes sense that she would have abilities no other Vileblood had. Such as the ability to regenerate from even a pile of flesh. She is the last of the Vilebloods as well, indicating that the others didn't have that regeneration. And considering the gender neutral change, it's possible the scholar that betrayed Bergenwerth was a woman who realized what kind of power she could gain from the 'forbidden' blood. What better way to become queen of the Vilebloods than become the first and strongest?

[@Rhionafarley]

She was not a queen back then. Queens in the BloodSouls games have done a lot of things. Nashandra is even both Queen and final boos of DS2. There is no reason a Queen WOULDN'T be a strong candidate for learning at Bergenwerth. And a willful Queen would be a good candidate for stealing something she finds powerful and wants.

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

Diego Morales none but what evidence do you have against it?

[@patbone1990]

Bloodborne is better than Dark souls if you ask me. After reaching the forbidden woods and actually getting lost and stumbling into a ALIEN after fighting all the beasts sold it for me. I didn't see it coming I loved that surprise. All the themes throughout the game reminded me of an elaborate painting. I like sporadic paced fighting and the side steps over the somersaults in Dark souls.

[@cesverc]

I too think Bloodborne is better than Dark Souls, in Lore terms. But frankly speaking, Bloodborne Lore has one limit: it really is too vague to almost assume anything. In Dark Souls, we clearly know what Gwyn intentions were when he linked the flame. After all this time, we yet don't know what the Moon Presence wanted, and why does he holds German as her captive. Was it a contract established by Laurence to provide hunters for the night? Was it the will of the Moon Presence? why can't we have more details?

[@Mare_Man]

@@cesverc That would break the entire Cosmic Horror aspect of the game. We don't know what the Great Ones think or want, because their thoughts and desires are beyond human comprehension.

[@Deep_phobias]

@@cesverc I think when it comes to soulsborne less is more. Especially in bloodborne case, we can speculate what the meaning of certain things are, and instead of having the lore handed to you, you can figure it out and when you realize something big it means so much more.

[@gauismaximus595]

Its natural for a son to surpass his father

[@themalegardevoir2467]

@Suni Victor hell yeah, let's enjoy both. It's better that way

[@TheDirtbaggrif]

So it's the "Tomb Raider" set?

[@67IronWhalE]

+Nemesis lol you make my day

[@solitajre222]

+Nemesis I think of the name "Tomb prospector" as an ironic name, something they would refer to themselves as. Kind of like a thief might refer to oneself as "Opportunist".

[@Rekishi12]

+solitajre222 Or "Treasure Hunter"?

[@Bluecho4]

+Nemesis I got the impression of "Tomb _Violator_".

[@purplesand]

+Nemesis Tomb Defiler?

[@IethargicAnarchist]

I don't think Maria can be the one who brought forbidden blood back to Cainhurst. I don't recall the exact line, but it's stated that Maria is a distant relative of the Queen, and implies that's the result of her blood magic. If we assume that blood powers are a result of being Vilebloods and hers specifically are a result of being related to the Queen, then I would expect the theft of forbidden blood to have occurred some time before her birth. Does that logic make sense?

[@johngun7418]

you're right unless it was another translation error

[@ZethUDSRakaSDAL]

+IethargicAnarchist What if the blood queen was the betrayer?

[@zizara4215]

+IethargicAnarchist +ZethUDSRakSDAL Yeah, the first person that came to my mind when Vaati was explaining the thief was the Queen herself, who perhaps stole the blood and used it on herself to become Queen of Cainhurst. I think it's in the Cainhurst armor description that states that the entire Cainhurst court was based around gaining her favour so the Queen might bless you with more of her blood.

[@IethargicAnarchist]

+Zizara 42 It would make sense for her to be 'patient zero' in this case, since she's the only one who was immortal (presumably, unless the Church has a closet full of pureed Vilebloods somewhere which frankly I would not put past them) and therefore probably the one with the strongest strain of this special blood. As for whether she stole the blood or somebody did it for her, we may never know for sure.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

+IethargicAnarchist It also doesn't make any sense that the Church would have a traitor guard it's biggest secret, or that Maria would betray Gherman. While we're at it, the Queen also says outright that you and her are the last two of their kind, so it's very doubtful that the person who stole the blood is still alive...

[@HypothermicBacklash]

So a proper translation of Tomb Prospector should make it sound more sinister and/or disrespectful to the tombs themselves? I know, how about Tomb Raider!

[@Psy_Ro]

@Danny BRITZMAN tomb invader

[@Aurorus2086]

@Danny BRITZMAN I think Tomb Breaker sounds pretty badass

[@comradezy]

Woah woah woah. "It was left for you, by you." This one seems pretty significant!

[@Darkernorakeln]

the adage was CHANGED before release, int he story trailer for Blooodborne it's till the old MORE accurate translation that says: "Blood makes us human, it makes us MORE than human, it makes us human no more!"

[@battletoads22]

+Watch crap I remember that and being confused when I saw Master Willem's cutscene in game. I personally think the old translation (the one in the trailer) is a lot better. It's more haunting.

[@Darkernorakeln]

battletoads22 It was propbaly changed due to much more obvious and leave less for imagination. But it does in fact have a very different meaning. I interpreted it like this, replace the word blood with power, or knowledge and its super obvious what it means. Its all about evolution, evolving into the next plane and level of existence. Very Lovecraftian.

[@battletoads22]

Watch crap There's also the fact that a "loss of humanity" is generally regarded as a negative. Not usually evolution or transcendence. And typically in literature and legend, if a living thing isn't human when it should be a human, it is essentially a monster. Or a beast. We typically think of "beast" meaning an animal, but "beast", like "serpent", is actually really ambiguous and just means "something savage". And people in Bloodborne who use the blood are turned into beasts, just like how the player character's beasthood increases with blood vial usage (I think).

[@CorporealHunter]

+battletoads22 Player's beasthood increases when we attack something

[@papermoon2955]

but... blud blud blud.. blud?

[@PvPSkillz]

Props to you for these translations. I am sure this took a ton of research and it's really cool how you always try to find new things about the game which keep the discussion going . Keep up the great work man really looking forward to your channel when DS3 is out.

[@VaatiVidya]

+PvPSkillz Props to Nojah! He did most of the digging, I just tried to carry it a bit further.

[@PvPSkillz]

VaatiVidya Yes and props to Nojah ofc. Great collaboration.

[@Cobenis_Kar]

Wow, your dedication to understanding the lore is truly amazing and that is fueled by some plausible speculations. I'm seriously learning so much about the game now. Keep up the good work!

[@dracothedraconian]

"the grave belongs to a man" going to say the 'he' used in the bone's description could of been what is used in england known as the 'generic he' when speaking about someone vaguely, he is used in place of they and their and even he and she, a lot of people in my city use generic he, which has existed since the 18th century and was the more polite way of referring to someone in speech. sometimes even in game designs if something (if the setting is in olden times) uses he to describe something that turns out to be female then the he used was a generic he, for the vagueness, even if the person is male the fact the gender isn't known to use until we see them also means the generic he is in use.

[@dracothedraconian]

+Draco the Kitsune "tomb prospector sounds gentle" prospector means when used in a verb to prospect is to take the valuables from within, e.g mountaineering prospectors were people to prospect (to mine or take all value) the mountain, and alter of despair still works in english, since despair is also taken in grief, grief is in terms a form of despair. one and ones reborn is used in english as a form of royal one, since the resurrected ones is a great one it can be read as a royal version of one, to refer to itself. also the transcend and complete, it can be used in the context to mean the same. to transcend something is to complete and go beyond in this context :D

[@dracothedraconian]

+Draco the Kitsune still all in all a good video

[@darthy0da]

A couple thoughts on this video. -The Old Hunter's tombstone not only has a real-world counterpart, it's the _only_ tombstone in the Abandoned Old Workshop in the real world. Frankly I don't think there's any doubt the tombstone is Maria's. I think the only reason the localization team gave the description a male pronoun is because they didn't know at the time that it belonged to Maria, so they used "he" because male terms are still default in most people's minds. -I don't think Maria brought the forbidden blood to Cainhurst. The item description of the Rakuyo mentions that she never really liked using blood blades, so I think it's a safe assumption that she tried to distance herself from her Vileblood relations when she was alive. -"Flora" is really just a term to mean the non-plant life that resides in a certain area, and one of the notes in the Lecture Building says "the nameless moon presence." Personally I think the Moon Presence doesn't have a name (at least not one that anyone ever discovered), but that's obviously open for speculation.

[@DoggerHunter50]

+Darth Yoda Flora is plant-life. Fauna is non-plant life. Other than that little error, I agree with you completely.

[@TheDandelionMind]

+Darth Yoda I agree on Maria not being the one that betrayed Willem too. Rakuyo and her equipment description gave me a strong impression she rather resented Cainhurst (Vileblood) and admired/respected Gehrman as a hunter - but maybe more involved or strongly affiliated with the Church than Gehrman was. (I felt that Gehrman was helping Laurence as a friend, but maybe not that interested in the Church itself? Not quite sure why though) Still seems like that Cainhurst Crow is still most likely, maybe by the order of the queen or her family who were very influential around Yharnam not mentioned in the video but his use of Chikage as well. I assume Maria either either defected from Cainhurst to the Church, or maybe joined the Church at very young age, after the Vilebloods were established? Just the impression I got of the story so I'm not saying this is it :S

[@GIBunz]

+Darth Yoda It was mentioned Byrgenwurth scholar, maria looks like she was the one who kicked off voyages into unknown area's

[@MidnightatMidian]

+Darth Yoda Okay, but you won t disagree there is a definitive relation between the flowers, and the moon. There s flowers in some very peculiar areas of the game... I think there s a deep symbolism in that, and some lore bits maybe, And, maybe im over analysing, but there is some flowers which actually exists, it s called the nightshades, if im correct, whixh blooms only in the night.. There are parasitic plant though.

[@darthy0da]

+MidnightatMidian I was about to point out that the flowers have the "lumen" prefix, but I was confusing "lumen" with "luna" in terms of what I thought it means. That said, "lumen" is a measure of light, and this is the _night_ of the hunt, so the only real sources of light people would have would be either fire, or the moon and stars. So I do think there's a definite connection between the flowers and the moon.

[@masterspartan981]

man I never anticipated a video in a channel like this before, well done man

[@PanicGiraffe]

This is like the third time he's done this.

[@masterspartan981]

PanicGiraffe yea

[@Jambobist]

Thank god the translators were allowed a little creative freedom. Can you imagine what the game would have been like with the clunky writing and awful stilted dialogue of the typical JRPG? A large part of Bloodborne and Souls games appeal is the fantastic writing. Frognation deserve a hell of a lot of credit for bring Myasaki's vision to life for English speaking audiences and From deserve a lot of credit for allowing them enough leeway to write genuinely high quality prose. Having said that, it's still interesting from a lore perspective to hear the more literal interpretations, thanks for the vid :)

[@fattyjaybird7505]

Jam Dev exactly! Most anime are ruined by the inclusion of storyline, i mean it helps explain the plot but loses the impact of a good story and panders an audiences intelligence

[@justinbang965]

Why do you bring up anime? Because its Japanese? BB and anime basically have nothing in common other than that... There are some good anime out there, but generally anime is made for children or edgy teenagers, so if you think anime's are ruined by the inclusion of a storyline, it means you're not twelve anymore. don't taint miyazakis good work with that weeaboo shit.

[@user-bx9ri2qv3y]

wait, im confused by your statement, you're saying anime is edgy because it's ruined by the inclusion of a story line, but if you think that you're not 12 and you're mature? huh?

[@Slave-of-the-most-merciful]

@@justinbang965 He shouldn't have talked about anime not really any need to , but really you're gonna say weaboo and use the word incorrectly

[@dudejoe24]

@@fattyjaybird7505 I know i'm late but are you saying a plot of a story is ruined by having a plot?

[@Michela]

First off, thank you for all the fantastic videos! They keep me pumped and excited to delve into lore while I play the game. One other detail I noticed about Maria's grave is that when you look closely at it, there's a flower at the top that resembles the flowers in the astral clocktower that were also presumably left by Maria. Food for thought!

[@yummyfrostboro2934]

"Go sub to Loremaster Nojah" Okay. *Looks him up* Oh he's playing Corruption of Champions... My kinda guy.

[@elliotfrancislyle7740]

The quality of the video is spectacular today.

[@elliotfrancislyle7740]

+William An sorry senpai... I heard mimicry was the highest form of flattery.

[@collapsus8446]

+William An its available on the internet, I also got this pic on my phone(-_-)

[@collapsus8446]

+William An so, if you dont want people to have the same pic as yours, try making something original, not just claim fanmade arts to be yours... unless it is you who made it, LOL...

[@ryankirkland5631]

+Collapsus I would have supported your comment more if you hadn't put LOL at the end.

[@oblex1998]

+Collapsus preggers of course I made it, I also made Dark Souls.

[@lordchunderbussiii]

Watching your videos has given me such a greater appreciation for the souls games and Bloodborne. I absolutely love a great story and you can miss soooooo much in these games that it's a crime. You do some great work.

[@ohmajestic]

It's still awesome to watch this videos and get knowledge of secrets i'd never would have seen. Really great job!

[@alexmw62]

New vaati video? [drops everything I'm doing and watches]

[@VaatiVidya]

+alexmw62Animug :D

[@kidstrz7]

i agree

[@mikeharter5195]

for real though

[@louiscostanzo5595]

yup

[@francislim6464]

True dat

[@Jojoinspaace]

The Old Hunter Bone potentially belonging to Maria only reinforces my earlier idea that she is the host of the nightmare, just as Gherman is the host of the hunter's dream and Miccolash is the host for the nightmare of Mensis. If that is her bone, then that's her grave, just as Vaati said. We use that grave to access the hunter's nightmare.

[@Jojoinspaace]

+Logan Hicks I didn't necessarily mean them being the host of the nightmare meant they were having the dream. It's a little more complicated than that. Lady Maria, Miccolash, and Gherman are all long dead, but we meet their consciousnesses within their respective dream/nightmare. I think being the host of the nightmare, in simple terms, means being prisoner to a great one. Gherman was a surrogate child of the Moon Presence. The Orphan of Kos, referred to as the "wizened child", would have no need for a child of it's own considering it is still a child. What did the orphan lose? Obviously, his mother. This is a stretch, but perhaps Lady Maria is a surrogate mother to the Orphan of Kos. If all great ones lose their children and yearn for surrogates, who's to say that a great one that loses it's mother might not also yearn for a surrogate?

[@Jojoinspaace]

That's an interesting thought. I never considered a connection between the "host of the nightmare and the "Kos Parasite". Perhaps there is a connection there? I'd say it's at least worth looking into.

[@kblkbl]

+Logan Hicks "I think it's important to remember that the "Host" of a dream is not the same as the person actually having the dream. The nightmare of Mensis is called that because it is in fact Mensis' nightmare. " Except that all of this can be fruit of his(Mikolash) nightmare. His projections of his organization. Mensis isn't a person, it's a sect.

[@kblkbl]

Logan Hicks Yeah, now it makes sense. lol I thought so because of the School of Mensis, which is a sect, I thought the Mensis name on the nightmare was simply a reference.

[@Wizardcleave]

+Logan Hicks But the School of Mensis has been in the nightmare ever since, how would Willem know? Did Micolash send him Dream mail about eye-brains? Further I think it's pretty clear ever since the DLC exactly who Micolash is asking for eyes, seeing as Kos is a known entity in the world and the genesis of many things

[@WafflelordJay]

I'm happy that you and Nojah worked together on this! Its nice to see him getting the attention he deserves c:

[@mishmashfilms7525]

Vaati i have enjoyed every video you have made. Im glad you can do this fulltime!

[@SweetTaLe]

Makes me wonder why were they translated in such a way in the first place? Some of those translations could work in the real thing, and they'd make more sense. Of course some things can't be translated, that's the nature of languages.

[@johngun7418]

They were summarized in the translation team's own words probably. kinda sucks since they tend to screw it up a lot.

[@Gbraga]

+SweetTaLe Perhaps some phrases are common enough in japanese to still be cryptic, while in english it would be too obvious? I don't know japanese, that would be just a guess, maybe they're actually preserving some of the original intention, even if they do screw up some times. For example, the literal translation of Maria's dialogue doesn't even give you enough time to connect the two things. Most people came to the conclusion that "A corpse should be left well alone" was in fact a reference not only to the state you find her in, but also (mostly) the carcass of Kos, even if the description was a lot more vague. Maybe the term they use for "corpse fishing" makes more sense to be up in the air until you connect the dots yourself.

[@themacca277]

+SweetTaLe some of them even though they work. just don't sound very good and the translators likely don't have a great understanding of the lore to understand that what they're changing is directly changing the potential meanings of some things.

[@put1996]

+SweetTaLe I believe it's because they didn't play the game (The translation team may have to work on just wall of text handed to them), thus do not know the flow of the text and the enviroment related to the text itself.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

+SweetTaLe well for once there is localization problems & "Rom the retarded Spider" would probably cause some bad PR

[@riaanvdw1645]

Watching the video is, I think it serves as an indication of how different interpretations of English have spread across the world. All of the Japanese translations mean the same thing to me in English as you presented them here. To give a few examples: Rom, the Vacuous spider; here the word "vacuous" means empty headed, so it is equivalent to saying dumb or retarded. (I used to use this as an insult sometimes) the wizened child also means the same as a child grown old as wizened is often used in English to describe someone who is very old ("wizened old man") tinge means a tendency towards some color, vis red in the context, therefore it means the same thing as quality. etc etc I don't wanna spend too much time going over it but the significant translation errors seem to be almost exclusively related to gender and inflection. So what I'm getting at is that this is a very well translated souls game, by comparison the previous ones, and, also, its interesting to see that though we both speak English its not necessarily the same language

[@neron8497]

+Riaan VDW vacuous also meaning stupid, yes, but it carries less of the connotation of an insult that the Japanese term clearly does. Wizened I agree with, it means shrivelled or wrinkled with age, so. Tinge, I think you're reaching. How red the blood is, doesn't necessarily give an indication of its quality. Therefore the original clear meaning of the word is entirely lost, and left up to speculation, whereas it's direct in the Japanese. For a game like Souls where details are everything, I think that's not good. So I disagree with you that these translation choices aren't significant. They mostly are.

[@jamescrab6887]

The point of the video was to clarify. It did that.

[@modernshinigamimanga]

+neron The meaning of quality being used here, "a trait being possessed by," agrees with this usage of tinge as, in the degree of being coloured, it is bloody: it isn't playing off of the condition of the blood.

[@kozak1993lk]

my good lord within the first minute of this video my mind flew out the back of my skull. at the point i am in life and the way i relate it to this game you literally have me in tears. thank you so much for the efforts you put in to your work and passion and just know you have restored humanity to this soul

[@babyBELUGAr]

Stuff like this is SO fascinating, especially with From games, where half the fun is figuring out the cryptic lore - and the many ways things can be interpreted - that come along with that. Awesome video

[@markofunkade]

"It was left there for you by you." - That is an extremely intense philosophical implication. *Brain explodes with frenzy*

[@markofunkade]

Metaphorically. When you think about the Sisyphusian nature of the souls games..

[@insertnamehere001]

I reckon it's because The Hunter KNEW he was going to forget. If true, this implies he knew what he was getting himself into, which has a grave implication for his entire motivation for the game.

[@papivee6179]

I was messing around waiting for the resonant bell to find my friend in central yarhnam, and i was using the beast claws and I found that when I was attacking the window where the man is that later turns into a beast, my beast meter would go up

[@Jwitzzz]

I bought this game where it was released and barely started playing it about a week ago and absolutely love it. Already beat it and working on a bloodtinge/skill build. Can't wait to purchase the dlc later on. Also, your voice goes so well with this games style/lore. All of your videos are incredibly thought out and amazing.

[@thatkidfrommars2330]

I love this damn channel. You are the only reason I ever attempted Dark Souls again, and now of course I love these games.

[@BarakalypseNow]

Man, so many people in this comment section are bitching as if it's a crime that there are discrepancies between English and Japanese translations of the game. If someone is translating Japanese to English, it's their job to preserve as much of the original meaning as possible WHILE making the translation palatable for English speakers. It's a balancing act, and sometimes things get lost in order to maintain aesthetic quality. I mean really, are the English speakers in here really so pissed that we didn't get to fight "Rom, the Retarded Spider"? Or have Maria talk to us about "rummaging through a corpse"? Those literal translations would have been completely immersion-breaking for English speakers. Besides, videos like this one are here to fill in the gaps without forcing the devs to lower to quality of the game, so what are you crying about.

[@TheAssassin642]

Well I'd have liked to see she and he being translated correctly

[@chadkingoffuckmountain970]

@@TheAssassin642 good luck with the narm dialogue then weeaboo

[@TheAssassin642]

@@chadkingoffuckmountain970 ?

[@dudejoe24]

how is "rummaging through a corpse" immersion breaking it's pretty exactly what she said official translation but with more words

[@darekkrakowski3336]

In polish translation Rom is called stupid spider. I wonder if it was translated from the english or from japanese

[@qwertyasdf236]

In french it also named "rom l'araignée stupide"

[@KanaiIle]

And in German we have "Rom, die geistlose Spinne" - "Rom, the mindless spider"

[@qwertyasdf236]

Don Kanaille it look badass in german

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

Spup_Spup26 1 everything looks bad*** in gherman

[@bowmanc.7439]

Judging from all these translations, I’m more convinced that they meant to reference Azathoth.

[@kevinmichaelconnolly7242]

Excellent entry, VaatiVidya. Plenty of new insights, plus lots of shout-outs to to contributors. Thumbs up!

[@yetti3733]

I know that there isn't much of bloodbourne that you can talk about without repeating yourself, but I just love your videos about it and I love how much effort you put in them. Thank you for being awesome.

[@hitler69]

ITS NOT CORPSE FISHING 死体あさり JUST MEANS "TO LOOT FROM CORPSE"

[@dirtgal]

While I do think that many things are lost in translation of the game, I do also think that it's possible for there to be a chance that they added clarity to the story by rewording some lines

[@NinjaCBeard]

Love your videos man. You go into so much depth for some of this stuff. Keep it up!

[@lurtz8656]

Damn it, Vaati. You always go about your videos delicately and I want to be able to do that. I always feel like I am too blunt. Keep doing what you're doing! I will always appreciate your work. Cannot wait for the Dark Souls 3 release. Hope you're pumped!

[@theJOYSofANALpenetration]

>Be me >Love Souls games > See Vaatividya plugging someone as a lore-a-holic "Awesome gonna go check it" >Corruption of Champions playthrough Oth... Other people know about Corruption of Champions? :D

[@thlubekka]

Oh it's known, and it is spreading

[@UnstopablePatrik]

+The joys of Anal Rape You make it sound like it's some weird hentai game. Pray tell me more.

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

+The joys of Anal Rape lol CoC is a thing now these days? I know the project went open source.. but >_> and .. yes, other people know about it, most likely every furry in existance.

[@gazirelseiryuu7229]

The joys of Anal Rape Well, it did start out as furry stuff, i think. But over the years its gotten so much updates and content.. its barely recognizable. And there is an open source version too, so ppl can edit it and have their own versions and whatnot. i didnt give it a try for the longest time, but becoming a dragon demon isnt as easy anmore as it used to.

[@UnstopablePatrik]

The joys of Anal Rape ...so it ain't vanilla...

[@AlexanderForsman]

Damn translators making Vaati say "him" instead of "her" 9:52 ^^ I thought it was clear that the altar was just another failed Rom attempt 10:52

[@calbinhinshaw6629]

Damn. That's some fine work there Vaati. Keep up the very good work.

[@112523]

you put so much work in these videos. i love them. keep it up bro. your one of the best!

[@Er404ChannelNotFound]

When it comes to Maria betraying the Hunters for the sake of Cainhurst. you can see somethings that hints for that before you initiate the fight, near her body is a cup (a chalice if you may) that is filled with blood, maybe her resentment towards her origins died down or something like that? a lot of things can be interpretted from this, like maybe she was the first to become a vileblood? dunno

[@Er404ChannelNotFound]

credit to Jerks Sans Frontieres for noting the fact anout the chalice near Maria on the table

[@VaatiVidya]

+FirstName LastName Good point! The hunters who appear in the nightmare are said to have "succumbed to the blood lust", so the chalice & the cainhurst links make sense in that respect too.

[@Sauceguy241]

Does anybody else just almost automatically agree with Vaati's opinion's and insights? They're always really well thought out, and I've reached a point where he could almost say "and it turns out that the doll, is actually from from a carrot, if you look at the item description for.."

[@Sauceguy241]

And i'd believe it.

[@MHFUfan]

That's actually something about Vaati that gets criticized. He sometimes voices things as if they were facts instead of speculation.

[@jamielee2353]

+Jungle Bush I would just assume all of this is speculation unless Vaati himself was secretly Miyazaki.

[@Sauceguy241]

+Jungle Bush yeah I've been noticing that. His speculations just seem so accurate sometimes that people don't second guess it

[@Sauceguy241]

+Jamie Lee Pretty sure he is Miyazaki... o.o

[@1SWINZ1]

Thanks for doing this Vaati, this is a real gift for the community :-)

[@chainsawvsgod384]

I love that you gave TheLoremasterNojah a shoutout. He's got a great channel packed with great banter.

[@eleventhbiscuit5242]

Aight, crazy theory time. Just speculation so far, but who knows. Before the events of Buttborne, you're not a Hunter because you haven't had your shot in the arm of Space Kool-Aid. Your character was involved with the church, Byrgenwerth, or both, and was present when shiznizzle went south and the beast plague dropped like a corpse out of an airplane. The PC also witnessed the ibble bibble bibble levels of insanity that often resulted from unmanaged Insight/Enlightenment, such as with the creation of the Celestail Emissaries (probably the last act of the official Choir) and whatever fantastic drugs Micolash has been doing all day. Whether it was an attempt ot stop the plague, an accidental infection of tainted blood, or maybe even a panicked grab for power and survival, the PC decides to undergo Kool-Aid transfusion and become a Hunter. Two things of note. Number one, Transfusion Wheelchair Guy [TM] has the Old Hunter Top Hat, tying him to the OG kush Hunters in some unclear way. Number two, your knowledge of Old Squeaky and his +2 IV Drip of Plot Device (as well as previous contact with the church, Byrgenwerth, and/or giant space monsters) lets you know you'll get memory-wiped when you enter the "dream"/"nightmare," so you leave yourself the Paleblood note with just enough info to start the Kill The Gods ball rolling, but not enough to mire you in insanity from too much revelation at once. Too much insight, I'm ibble bibble-ing. Bed.

[@eleventhbiscuit5242]

+Evan Nagy Well, lambasted sacks of fermented square-knot fuck if I didn't misspell something I can't fix now.

[@buffoonustroglodytus4688]

Yeah you're really like super duper funny. So funny in fact that I forgot to laugh

[@eleventhbiscuit5242]

+Sir Gus the Mighty K

[@buffoonustroglodytus4688]

Evan Nagy mmmm, salty!

[@eleventhbiscuit5242]

+Sir Gus the Mighty ...what

[@KnowsN0thing468]

Localization and translation are rarely done as teams. Usually, it's independent freelancers translators working on smaller or larger bits of text. Most localization clients get to review the translation for quality and meaning before making payment, so some of the translation "errors" could have been explicitly accepted by FromSoft

[@KnowsN0thing468]

You have to admit that many of the translations are more elegant than any literal or direct translation. Given Miyazaki's love for riddles and cryptic storytelling, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the obfuscation introduced in the translations were intentional.

[@jmc5885]

+John Artman Agreed, specially given the designer's story

[@TheLivingBacon]

+John Artman Absolutly agree. However, it sort of feels like recieving the short end of the stick; Not getting the true meaning of the lore sometimes. But i guess it is not that bad either considering it kind of becomes an even harder challenge to interpret the game compared to the japanese audience, which can be fun in its own right :)

[@datonkallandor8687]

One of the cool details about Maria is that we now know who the classic Hunters Hat is modelled after. It's her hat - she's got the feather and everything. It's such a throwaway line on an unimportant item and they didn't forget about it, they referenced it in the DLCs design.

[@musicman1326]

Great series. I love having the lore exposited so neatly more or less. I would like to clarify that the altar where ebrietas resides was actually a church member who she gave eldritch knowledge to, but they were unable to comprehend it and became transformed into a rom-like being. I believe it has minor time manipulation powers, which is why I think that if you bring the piece of Annalise to it after her destruction she is reconstructed as she was before Alfred finds her. I'm not sure where I read/heard about this piece of lore, but I'm fairly sure I represented it in a decent capacity, and hope that you can find the original and validate/expand upon what I remembered from it. The sheer depth of the lore in these games is staggering, and I can only hope for you to make more videos explaining how it all ties together. Sad to say I'm impatient, but you do it so well that I suppose waiting isn't all bad. Cheers mate.

[@ffx5846]

Reaaaally confused by the last note....can someone explain a little more about the fact that my character left a note for my character? Its some kind of a cyclic dream? Amazing video as always!

[@ffx5846]

+The Swyn Thanks A LOT, and for the spoiler... is already on the video so....

[@Nitenshi]

I think it's assumed that the character have lost his memory. So leaving a note for himself makes sense.

[@natecorsn9097]

I think it means that your ng+ character could be considered a different person.

[@Magneasy93]

They should have a more time at FROM to let translations be done properly. Its been the one recurring problem so far, lore should be done and translated right. Even 1 one word can change a meaning altogether.

[@neron8497]

+Magneasy93 It's an inevitable part of the production process, they're made in Japanese and then a certain budget is assigned to translate it to English via out-sourcing. FROM employees likely don't have a solid grasp of English nor the time to verify if the translations were cohesive with the lore. So it's just accepted as-is. I doubt FROM know of any of the unfortunate translation choices made for the Souls localizations. *Edit: this isn't entirely correct, my mistake. In the case of the localizations done by Frognation they did/do communicate and work with them over time. (Source: EpicNameBro's Dark Chat +1 video where he discusses Frognation). However, the point about From Soft's grasp on English remains the same.

[@BarakalypseNow]

+neron I was under the impression that Miyazaki authored a lot of the game in English first, since he is versed in Western literature. Is that not the case?

[@Jambobist]

+Magneasy93 The translation is done properly, it's among the best Japanese to English translations in the business. From work closely with a company called Frognation made up of various bilingual native Japanese and English speakers, the same team that did the Souls games which only had English audio. Nothing in the final English version hasn't been given the OK by Miyasaki, the translations are creative decisions not mistakes.

[@neron8497]

Barak Bullock I was under the impression that Miyazaki-san wasn't, and isn't fluent in English. We know he's read English literature as a child, but that he couldn't understand a lot of it. Since it's rare for Japanese people to speak English, and I can't recall Miyazaki ever doing an interview in English, I figured he doesn't really speak the language.

[@neron8497]

Jam Dev Are you sure Miyazaki-san is fluent in English?

[@undeadprimo]

Vaati I find your voice very calming. I could have an awful day but hearing your voice while watching your videos just really relaxes me. Sorry if that weirds you out!

[@dylansalcedo2797]

Man I love these videos I just want more they are so touching. My bed time story's lol no lie. Thank you @vaatiVidya

[@Matuchara]

That is pretty suprising actually, I live i Poland and i have played the entire game in English because i was afraid of the bad translation (japanese>english>polish), but now i checked it and WOW, the polish translation is a lot closer to japanese than the english one. Its not saying anything about gender where its mentioned in the english version, refering more to a "human" than a man or woman. Well... looks like i am gonna play the game again reading everything. Ron in the polish version i called "Rom, Tępy pająk" - "Rom, The blunt spider" and blunt in polish language is a way of calling someone stupid, as opposite to sharp - being clever.

[@Tobberoth]

I would question the idea that One Reborn is better translated as "Ones Reborn". According to real japanese dictionaries (like 大辞泉), 再誕 (the word for resurrection in the name), is not at all exclusively for schools, companies or groups. In fact, the definition is very general, just meaning "something which was dead coming back to life". The word seems to be used for buddhist resurrection for example. My guess is that Loremaster Nojah got translation from JMdict, which is a good but not amazing source.

[@DylanSwitzerland]

Man you make some great videos, every time I watch a video it makes me want to play dark souls or bloodborne and these Indie souls game, keep it up man this channel is siiiiiiiick

[@blehblah9233]

Fantastic video! New to your channel, I'm hoping I'll find translation videos for the Souls games. Good work!

[@avyntide]

Do you plan on finally getting around to the rest of the Bloodborne lore you were going to do before getting sidetracked by Dark Souls 3's release? I'd absolutely support your patreon if you got around to it.

[@khaledhakami3533]

Did anyone notice this? Gherman dialogue in the hunters dream when he says: oh laurence.. Master willem.. Anybody help me .. Unshackle me .. The end of the dialogue he cries. His cry just the same as Kos when he was born!!!

[@trinity3422]

The use of Japanese to English translation is inspiring. Especially when knowing that you already spend so much time and energy in creating these lore videos. I know you've mentioned cutting the Bloodborne lore videos, however, they have been entertaining and this youtuber would definitively continue watching them. Your videos have taught so much about this game that would've never been brought to the light otherwise. You've cleared out the illusory walls of the story.

[@froubert]

This was one the best and most interesting Bloodborne lore videos so far. Incredible how translation can diminish the more integral and complete understanding of art lore.

[@derheadbanger9039]

Micolash states that Kos is also known as Kosm... It's not far fetched to think of Cosmos. Is this also due to Translation? Would it be possible to writ Kos with C instead of K? This would make Ebrietas, Daughter of Cosmos and The Orphan of Kos siblings! Sure, they don't look alike - but the orphan was just recently born while Ebrietas is very old (or their father isn't the same :p ). Any thoughts on my theory?

[@slightlytwistedagain]

I find it weird that the Moon Presence is called Flora, but it makes more sense when you consider Flora is the Roman Goddess of flowers and you have all those flowers in the Hunters Dream and the Old One is a Goddess.

[@StrangerForever85]

Good to see another Found in Translation video. Thanks, Vaati.

[@Brackynews]

I was just thinking yesterday about some gravestone points that I didn't remember anyone mentioning. Glad Vaati is always two steps ahead of us! #bigbux

[@johngun7418]

I'm guessing the translation team isn't given much context as to what exactly it is in context they are translating Japanese to English which is why they'd screw up old hunters bone description and others.

[@johngun7418]

crap can't edit on mobile lol disregard the second context

[@KnowsN0thing468]

Localization is quite difficult, especially from Japanese, and other East Asian languages, to English. Neither have a shared history and thus they have very few semantic references. In the industry, Japanese is the hardest to translate from.

[@nickoftricks]

+john gun i heard that myazaki just corrals a bunch of Japanese studies post grads into a room and gives them the entire to translate from scratch. he pays them with demos of the game

[@Nobe616]

Yo you should use your voice for audio books

[@lescarpoulpe7595]

Thanks vaati and thanks for the people who do the subtitle in french !

[@casiusjames9117]

Once again Vaati astonishes everyone with such simple mistakes and obvious clues! love the video bro!

[@thedarkking1422]

Oi, something I found; Master Wilhelm doesn't bleed blood. When you hit him he bleeds like a white slimy ooze.

[@dahliasdarkside1695]

i feel some of these translations are miss fires but the altar of despair translation has the same meaning regardless

[@dahliasdarkside1695]

I don't find all of these differences as negatives, but jsf has already covered some of these but I digress, I find some of the differences are much more preferable to the tone and as you well know, literal translations don't work well for every situation

[@neron8497]

+DahliasDarkside Altar of Despair does not have the same meaning. Lamentation or grief has a different connotation than despair. Lamentation at least, suggests a direct cause for sorrow, which the word despair lacks.

[@BarakalypseNow]

+neron I agree with your point that lamentation/grief offer more context than despair, but I also think anyone who took the time to look at Ebrietas and consider what she is doing there would be able to infer that she is grieving. The Altar of Despair is definitely one of the less consequential mistranslations IMO

[@Arkin711]

Hey man I'm a big fan of your work, you tell the stories of these games really well. You're actually the reason I started playing them but I gotta ask when is the prepare to cry coming for Maria I'm super excited for she seems like a very deep character.

[@Tommcginn]

Hooray! Thanks for another great video Vaati :)

[@thememepool7359]

Hey guys, there is actually a a guide available over at GameFAQs that presents all of the dialogue & item text in the game verbatim in both English & Japanese. If you all want a good place to start the comparison, it's all there! www.gamefaqs.com/ps4/805577-bloodborne/faqs/71777

[@Gbraga]

+theMemePool™ Wow, I had no idea. Thanks a lot!

[@1SWINZ1]

+theMemePool™ Aww man, that's awesome. Thanks a lot :-)

[@frostknight7687]

i see this is the last video you have made for this game do you think there would be another version?

[@frostknight7687]

K , but i mean not another video i mean another version of the game ( the hunt should not be over )

[@frostknight7687]

Yes

[@alexander-er8io]

relly enjoy your videos, cant wait to get more. keep it up.

[@zane433]

Wow great vid! I've always been interested in the original japanese text of many descriptions. Very...insightful!

[@sebastiansatyr5904]

Descripting Rom as idiotic resembles me of Azathoth from Lovecraft. Azathoth is referred as "blind idiot-god", he is floating abyss surrounded by lesser gods dancing to his flute. Check out this quote: "[O]utside the ordered universe [is] that amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the center of all infinity-the boundless daemon sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time and space amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin monotonous whine of accursed flutes." Azathoth is most powerful of outer gods, able to create and destroy universes with his flute. Also Azathoth is parent of Nyarlathotep "the Nameless Mist and Darkness" (also called "crawling chaos" and "faceless god") and I wonder if it links Rom to Mergo's wet nurse.

[@ayyyyylmao]

Im so sick of all these first comments under new Videos..

[@Virulentgull645]

+Lumination ...what

[@Virulentgull645]

Much better - Brilliant work.

[@VaatiVidya]

+Lumination I'll try remember to say "FIRST" before I upload the video next time, just for you. That'll show em.

[@ayyyyylmao]

VaatiVidya awww thx m8

[@StormJ8450]

+VaatiVidya Great video as usual man. So I noticed something recently that i don't think anyone has pointed out yet. In my most recent run through the forbidden woods i decided to take a closer look at the giant graves in the shadows of Yharnum Boss Room and i started thinking the shape above the lettering looks like a barnacle so i looked even closer and to my surprise, the entire back of the giant grave looks like its covered in those flammable slugs that are all over the ground in the fishing hamlet and possibly fishing nets carved in stone. I'm not sure what this could mean lore wise but with the forbidden graves so close to Bergenwerth I thought i should let you know what with their connection to the fishing hamlet maybe you could figure out whose graves they are now =). Keep doing your thing man. P.S. really sorry about the double comment. my youtube comments have been disapearing on any video recently unless i leave two. Again, sorry about that. Show less

[@XENZO28]

Please keep doing more Bloodborne videos!! Your channel is easy my favorite channel.

[@washingtonirving7039]

I've cleared every single chalice dungeon, and it only makes me giddy with excitement to know I wasn't "prospecting" the ancient tombs of the Pthumerians, but BREAKING THE MOLDS THAT HELD THE FEARSOME BEASTS AND CREATURES OF THE CHALICE DUNGEONS. Loved this video Vaati, you amaze me with how you find yet more lore for me and everyone to enjoy. :)