When Chinese Industrial Espionage Goes Wrong

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[@BrettonFerguson]

@0:19 That is more than $4000 in the briefcase. This suitcase looks like it has around $500,000. if they are $100 bills. If they are $20 bills then it has around $50,000.

[@kittysplode]

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[@fuckunitaezombiesofdoom]

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[@JJONNYREPP]

When Chinese Industrial Espionage Goes Wrong. 14.2.24. 4000dollars isn't a lot of money.....

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[@kenmackenzie5766]

I work for a German company and have sold many of our products into China. There are now so many copy cat units that sell for less than we can make them for. I confronted one such copy cat company at an exhibition. The attitude was that we should be proud that our products were copied and not our competitors! They even copied our marketing, model names and technical specifications. There really is no shame!

[@samuelgold394]

Out of curiosity, what industry do you work within?

[@kenmackenzie5766]

@@samuelgold394 we make temperature control equipment that is used in the pharmaceutical and chemical industries among others

[@geronimo5537]

Just one of the thousands of companies learning this lesson. China steals all designs and turns it around for self profit. Yet companies keep pouring over expecting better.

[@cvspvr]

have they managed to replicate the famous german engineering though?

[@couttsw]

The shame is that your company thought they could save a buck by manufacturing overseas instead of at home. No such thing as buy German anymore.

[@ScottsSynthStuff]

My company learned the hard way: if you hire a factory in China to produce your product, they will create the tooling and start manufacturing your product. However, they will also run night shifts with different staff, using the same tooling (and firmware, and intellectual property) that you paid for, but they use it to manufacture knock-offs of your product - at the same factory, using the same tooling! They will then sell those knock-off copies of your product at a much lower price, freely and brazenly using your stolen firmware and IP. Apparently this is an extremely common practice there.

[@onlythebest3311]

Were your company heads born yesterday? This being going on since manufacturing moved to China 2 decades ago, everyone knows. It’s very easily mitigated, the brand names have strict control over the factories and they don’t care as the knockoffs will never be able to use their package or the same trademark and sell in US. The startups can have different parts built in different places and assembled by a third party, and/or have local supervision. Most of the brands all get their products from the same oem factory anyway and just slap their label on it.

[@JumpingWatermelons]

Dude that practice is well known, your company are fools. If they wanted to attempt to control the product, they need to control the factory themselves and have it staffed. And that's just to prevent the overproduction for sale and stealing of inventory.

[@MusikCassette]

I would say: Trade secrets are the problem in the first place.

[@nicoz4122]

My last company in China did exactly the same ! They hired many OEM to produce their machinery. Needless to say that after roughly 2 years, the Chinese market was flooded with copycats of our machinery and 50 to 70% cheaper. Our market share dropped significatly and the subsidiary in China went bankrupt (and I lost my job)... The funny (?) thing is that when we found out that one of our Chinese technical director was stealing equipment, tools, consumables from us and we fired him, 2 weeks after it turned out that in parallel he had his own company and he was producing our same machinery.... Brilliant !

[@geronimo5537]

All companies see is profit in China. Yet ignore all the setbacks and what people tell them is happening. Then they get surprised when they get scammed or their copyright is violated that china doesnt care about. lol

[@sunnindawg]

I used to work for a small Japanese company. I asked the CEO why we don't have an office in China? He said they steal everything, even the office chairs disappear.

[@animeweng]

Every one steals from everyone. Apple sued Samsung for stealing design of the iphone. A Korean company accused off stealing design from an American company. Steve Jobs stole from Xerox the GUI display of a computer.

[@fgdfhdhjd7776]

He is so kind and cute, he did not even know nowadays Chinese people are talking about killing all Americans and Japanese!

[@jeffjohnson5053]

Don't hire chinese from china. Problem solved!!

[@anhvu4211]

sounds true lol

[@martinsreel]

I can tell you what's worse, the company can lose everything just because government say so. Intellectual property is not a thing there.

[@herseem]

The chinese did the same thing with a wave energy generator called Pelamis in Scotland, except they did it a bit more brutally. After a Chinese visit to the factory there was a break-in and a specific laptop was stolen that had all the technical details on. A few months later, a copy-cat wave energy device was shown in China. The irony though is that in the industry, everyone knew that the Pelamis model was a bust and were waiting for them to go bankrupt because it was so unreliable - which they did. So the Chinese stole the detailed plans of one of the worst wave energy devices at the time.

[@jumpingjohnflash]

There was a New Zealand academic who wrote a book revealing and strongly criticising the CCP's "United Front" and other "patriotic" organisations as being directly controlled catspaws for CCP interests (as are the so-called "Confucius Institutes"). Both her University of Canterbury office and her home were burgled and all her computers and hard drives were stolen.

[@jtc1947]

Glad that the commie's got RIPPED on that deal! A case of MUCH EGG ON FACE!

[@Martin-iw1ll]

But it was probably because they were nearly bankrupted that they allowed a Chinese visit to the factory in order to get chinese interest in their project and then potentially get some funding from them

[@herseem]

@@Martin-iw1ll you could be right there, and the fact that they made a beeline for a specific laptop that happened to contain all the relevant details did cause me to raise am eyebrow at the time. It was almost as if the captain of the ship was trying to get something for himself, knowing the ship was about to sink

[@deadboltzz5199]

​@@herseemHe sold china the defected life jacket lol

[@dznrboy]

This happened in Canada with Nortel Networks, the Chinese government stole their tech and used it to build Huawei into the business it is today. So many of the Nortel employees who were also invested in the company lost everything.

[@bernl178]

And, of course, with our government blessing because our governments in love with China and investment money. But at the end of the day china loves to take the worlds technology, and I do mean take it. Yes, Chinese espionage

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

I heard about that, too. The chinese always steal

[@agenthex]

This is a commonly held lie in Canada and west in general. What Huawei actually did was hire Nortel Fellow Wen Tong & some colleagues, who were basically responsible for developing much of new Nortel tech (all Nortel was worth at its sale were his patents), by promising him oversight over his own research lab to develop 4g & 5g for Huawei instead. Of course that's not an appealing PR story, so the lowest denom here will continue to parrot the lie about "stealing tech".

[@ticler]

Worst thing is it was known for a long time but Canada is too cuck to kick them out.

[@eaglestar2962]

Nortel networks officials were known for lavish partying and corrupt.

[@w3vjp568]

The theft taking place from our university system is staggering, too.

[@maddog2314]

Yeah seriously. Like the head of the Harvard chemistry department who got busted around 2019 for thousand talents stuff.

[@varunemani]

What ever it takes for her to make the 'CCP Dream' retirment plan a reality!

[@boulderbash19700209]

Most of the west technologies nowadays are in the private companies proprietary.

[@trent11ify]

Assume every single Chinese student is a spy who will steal tech and go back as they'll be rewarded with tons of money back home by CCP.

[@ChinaVirus0604]

yes,chinese thief

[@roberthaines4221]

SO glad to see an example of someone like her, actually getting caught and prosecuted. Too many have evaded detection.

[@blazedyoda8608]

Its on the us/ the west to find and catch people like her.. if we fail then kudos to them as we have failed/ been out smarted.

[@furtim1]

yeah, like 99.9999% of them get away with it

[@surters]

But there are no consequences for her sponsors, state or company.

[@abcdefbcdefg8352]

thats what Coke money gets you

[@michinwaygook3684]

She got caught because she is obviously an idiot. Why she would agree to be interrogated is beyond me. She should have asserted her rights, remained silent and asked for a lawyer, but instead she implicated herself. Unfortunately I doubt most criminals in that line of work are as dumb as she was.

[@rawwwrrr4024]

I have a friend who has a patent on a piece of tech who knows there have been multiple attempts by Chinese rivals to duplicate it. They haven't figured it out completely, yet, but they keep getting closer. He knows it's only a matter of time before they figure it all out. He supports his own product through RMAs, refurb, general repair, and he's seen counterfeits being returned to him for repair work. The units don't work quite as well and the customers want them fixed. He just ships them back, after some R&D of course, and explains that he isn't servicing them since the units aren't his. Crazy stuff.

[@keithammleter3824]

If he has a patent, then why doesn't he take legal action against the importers(s)? That's want patents are for.

[@scaper12123]

@@keithammleter3824as if China will punish its patent thieves

[@keithammleter3824]

@@scaper12123 ; Oh, I doubt it would ever be allowed to go to court in China. And if it did, they would at most punish some poor scapegoat and allocate someone else to do the cloning. That's why I suggested he just go after the importer(s) in his own country. The market within China is a lost market and nothing can be done about that. It is interesting that China even has patents in its own country. One of the basic teachings on communism by Karl Marx is that since each gets his own needs, each contributes as he can, there is no such thing as intellectual property. it is very cheeky that China does a lot of business cloning other country's products, yet is becoming the biggest applicant for US and European patents, so we can't clone their stuff. Governments such as the US should stand up to China and say ''play the game son, or we will pass a law saying we cannot assign patents to Chinese residents. But they can't upset China, they have borrowed much money from China, and allowed China to get big and powerful. As former Secretary of State Condaleza Rice said, ''how can we hurt our banker?""

[@NoxUmbrae]

@@keithammleter3824 The saying is "if you can cheat, cheat"

[@Alsry1]

Question: did they register a patent in china? They have their own patent laws and offices.

[@gilramsey3518]

I used to work for Nortel Networks and long after I left but as I understand it - the Chinese stole all of the designs and specifications for how they made telephone switching equipment then made knock offs that put Nortel out of business. Nortel had a lot of other problems - accounting irregularities and so forth but getting knocked off by the Chinese didn't help.

[@jlm1567]

Huawei?

[@m.e.345]

Kind of like hiring a foreign national to work at the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg.. and sending samples back to China.

[@tonycd2709]

They did the same thing to Cisco.

[@gotfan7743]

@@jlm1567 Yes, Huawei. But Nortel Networks were very negligent when it came to cyber security. If I am right when they came to know Chinese were hacking into their servers/network, it has been said they only changed their passwords.

[@DennistheMenace2011]

@@gotfan7743 Yup, stole a bunch of stuff and copied everything right down to the design error on the circuit board!

[@brandonyadon5506]

A briefcase with $4,000? Was it in $1 bills?

[@julioduan7130]

4000 USD in cash is not a big amount for Asians.

[@clydecmcelroy4638]

​@@julioduan7130$4,000 in cash isn't a lot for a briefcase either.

[@mysb13]

I thought it’s 4 million 😂

[@julioduan7130]

@G JM They just wanted to prove she was spying using any “evidence” available.

[@wawaMusicRadio]

0:17 “A briefcase containing $4000” isn’t the same as “a briefcase full of bills worth $4000” She probably had other documents and personal belongings in there, $4K is only 40 bills which could easily fit inside an envelope

[@jetaddicted]

My father worked in a French nuclear research reactor site, in the seventies, and they caught a Chinese « student » that had special shoe soles, made of a matter that would stick to, and sort of absorb, anything on the ground; dusts, nails, bits and pieces. This being France in the seventies, the guy went to hospital first, to treat two broken femurs, before visiting our jails.

[@JumpingWatermelons]

What would be the purpose of him stealing dust from the floor?

[@PMA65537]

@@JumpingWatermelons Reveal what materials were present at the site - if this included fuel manufacture it might indicate levels of enrichment being used.

[@mikemiller659]

@@JumpingWatermelons Janitor effency

[@JamesOversteer]

That’s what should be done now. I assure you they’d stop signing up to ‘talent’ programs then.

[@kangbule]

last time i heard this story it was about a researcher in japan

[@bonalj222]

Kudos to the skilled FBI interrogators. If you get caught in a lie, the futher you writhe, the more the web of deceit binds you.

[@LarsLarsen77]

They didn't catch them in a lie, they just came out and admitted to taking the information home with them. That's the crime.

[@JumpingWatermelons]

FBI has an extremely high conviction rate. They get everything they need before they arrest someone. Once you're arrested by them, it's basically over. An old friend of mine was a defense attorney for federal drug cases. I think all he did for those was negotiate plea deals because that the only reasonable option for his clients.

[@lllllMlllll]

Where is the skill in this? He had every evidence he needed!!!

[@bigboat8329]

I don't think she knew her rights in the United States. She should have just refused to answer questions, invoke her rights, and remain silent.

[@johndoe-el5ic]

i heard Chinese jets are making the airforce sweat like cougar in the beginning of top gun

[@cratecruncher6687]

Kind of chilling when one thinks about how difficult it would be to catch someone a little smarter.

[@glaze_tpf9791]

fortunately, Chinese/commies are not very bright

[@bvbxiong5791]

plenty of secrets have already escaped the US. and the #1 reason China wants to take over Taiwan is because Taiwan is the #1 chip maker and China wants that technology.

[@ForburyLion]

Someone a little smarter probably wouldn't do it.

[@00kt86]

I'm impressed with the FBI catching her.

[@IMBlakeley]

Someone a little smarter would have clammed up until they had a lawyer in the room.

[@buzzyvideo]

I work in tech and unfortunately this is happening far too often from my observation. Often Chinese are willing to take jobs at lower pay, and making them attractive to US employers. Chinese investors then dangle large amounts of cash to attract them. There should be better regulations against this.

[@frenchcat2910]

You can't blame Chinese employees for taking better opportunities elsewhere. The US is hostile to immigrants and is falling behind on developing talent. You cant regulate the consequences of not being competitive.

[@MaxMustermann-yj1wz]

What now. Nuke em?

[@lettucesalad3560]

You don't even know what you're talking about. The US accepts more immigrants than most other countries combined. China only has about 70,000 foreigners living there, and it's nearly impossible to get Chinese citizenship. Plus China kicks out foreigners for no reason at all, there's no legal protections.

[@franssantos9417]

@@MaxMustermann-yj1wz Better yet dont drink coke. Kidding aside, US and other countries should slowly bring their manufacturing out of China and to more US friendly countries.

[@bmer92k86]

​@@frenchcat2910 the US should be hostile to immigrants. When a job used to pay 10$ an hour but someone from Mexico or China comes in and offers to do it for 5$ it drives the wages down and that becomes the new market rate. It's not competition it's desperation.

[@salemengineer2130]

I worked for a US company that made engineering software in the mid-80's. We tried to market our software in China. We worked with two large Chinese organizations. Both had been government ministries but both were morphing into large state-owned companies. We had no problems with one of the organizations but the other one ended up copying our software and selling it inside China in competition with us. We found out because some of their Chinese customers contacted us to ask for technical support.

[@jean-pierresteenberg]

THESE ring wrongs lings dongs are insufferable in real life too

[@devinrr]

@@jean-pierresteenberg bruh what

[@phil20_20]

Well, the customers probably knew it too. They just figured you were that gullible for letting your secrets be stolen in the first place. There are plenty of people in my home town here, who think the same way. Thieves are thieves the world over, and autocracies are ruled by thieves.

[@Lost4llen]

I used to work in one of the largest management consultancy company worldwide (the largest of the 3..) and during the pandemic, as everybody was working from home, they would staff Chinese consultants on EU projects where we had access to confidential documents from the largest banks worldwide. I cannot imagine all the secrets that got stolen this way. This is ridiculous.

[@eligebrown8998]

Thats nuts. Had to be stressfull for sure

[@--Skip--]

Penny-wise, POUND-FOOLISH! 🤦

[@torpedohippo8493]

I can't imagine a bigger waste of company money than hiring a consultancy company

[@AP-do6sv]

I am a consultant as well, for the last 3 years 50% of my cases are about helping clients reduce dependency on china. For manufacturing everyone is going to vietnam, indonesia, mexico and so on. For services its India, Mexico and Malaysia

[@nassernathan]

Deloitte

[@MithunOnTheNet]

She at least got caught, like the Chinese thieves at SMIC trying to steal TSMC's manufacturing processes. Poor Nortel couldn't and is now dead.

[@Mauser1965]

But that's ok. The required "tool" is made in the Netherlands. 🤣

[@sko1beer]

to be fair its the chinese gov own fault the factory is even in taiwan the guy who started TSMC is a man who grew up in hong kong and he was not even that fussy where it was built it was offered to the best bidder

[@the_retag]

@@Mauser1965 with german optics

[@ntabile]

​@@the_retag and majority are American investors

[@youbigtubership]

Overly strict parents make their children learn to be either sneaky or cunning liars. Authoritarian governments make their citizens become the same.

[@4thought___]

Personal responsibility, as an adult?!

[@boris001000]

Proof that cultures are scalable! I've seen a correlation about how family culture impacts government rule.

[@youbigtubership]

@@boris001000 It's one natural human response to imbalanced power relations. If you're afraid to do sonething while still dependent or not yet disaffected, you'll try to find a way around it without confrontation.

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Why do American corporations keep hiring these people?

[@Drew-do9wx]

Yes!!!

[@noahway13]

Vice did a report in China. The business people frankly bragged about stealing on camera. They said "You call it stealing, we call it business."

[@ninja1antelope]

In my industry you won’t find a single Chinese national above middle management. In fact at several interviews the first question one was asked was if I was a Chinese national. It’s bad.

[@Joe60459]

What industry?

[@ninja1antelope]

@@Joe60459 research based.

[@ryanthompson3737]

And I guarentee people in the EU ask if you've got any connections to any US based companies or government entities and are sure not to promote you to high level positions knowing exactly how much YOU guys like to steal from us. Get into that same field in an allied country and you'll feel like the Chinese people your company is so afraid of.

[@donturner3239]

The chinese put this on themselves.

[@georgep9447]

"Stop the chemicals in soda from eroding the cans they are in." Almost as disturbing as the crime.

[@rushja]

Almost?

[@georger5558]

Sure it sounds scary but water does the same thing to these cans

[@daveselbow9128]

@@georger5558 exactly. the coke degradation will be at a micro-level over time

[@MadMrMatter]

You're what weaponized ignorance looks like. You don't know what you're talking about but think you've got it figured out.

[@thebaker8637]

Erosion is not corrosion. Water and other liquids tend to *erode* , i.e. mechanically wear off or dissolve, material they slush through, that's how shorelines/river paths change over time and why water gets mineralized/hardened as it seeps through various rocks. It's nothing to do with the acidity/chemical composition of the drink, no new chemicals are created here. The important thing is that when it does happen, you don't really want metal bits floating in your drink, nor do you want the water or coke in this instance to start tasting of aluminum. Incidentally, the exact same thing happens in plastic bottled water, which is one of the many reasons they're meant to be single-use only. Now, Coke is also acidic and therefore corrosive to the can, and the same layer helps protect the can from reacting with it. However, completely natural liquids like tomato puree or fruit juice also need the same kind of barrier on a metal can as well if you want the contents to have a long shelf life, Coke being highly processed, way more acidic, and generally bad for your health has nothing to do with it.

[@loganking1957]

Flee the country with $4000? That’s like attempting a shopping spree at the dollar store with a nickel

[@mattk8810]

4000 is enough to pay for what you need to get away

[@varunemani]

What ever it takes for her to make the 'CCP Dream' retirment plan a reality!

[@frankryan2505]

​@@mattk8810yeah,4K of travelling money is nothing to be sniffed at.

[@Sashazur]

You can take up to $10,000 without having to report it. She must not have had more than $4000.

[@somewhatblankpaper1423]

Within Chinese culture, it mentions that one should not share his/her skills so that they have something unique to live off. It's obvious because if one discloses the skills, others can replicate and the person will lose his/her values which can threaten his/her survivability. That mentality has persisted, and it truly hinders technological advancement as no one wants to make libraries or share information, even those who are interested in the sciences. The emperors also oppose technological innovations and wouldn't reward anyone for innovating in any field besides finding creative ways of maintaining a stable society. Obviously, this goes against the ancient Greek culture which was to promote sharing of information and discussions rather than hiding them.

[@sankadines]

Same thing in India. If I share the knowledge, tomorrow some one from team might be pitted against me. I am in Europe now. I am not afraid to share, but in India I would not share a bit

[@tyes77]

Greek culture promotes sharing of info yet somehow no one knows the recipe they used to make greek fire. Hmm.....

[@steviestone3968]

We've all heard the stories, read the tales and from friends, colleagues or coworkers. They'll copy or steal the tech and make it themselves and undercut your business. It's expected, the real question is why people continue doing business with chinese companies when there are no legal avenues or ramifications once they are caught.

[@westrim]

ten reasons: $$$$$$$$$$

[@gomarlins]

Cheap pigs😂

[@sko1beer]

i got 2 billion from the TTP program i sold them the KFC secret recipe

[@SayAhh]

Two wrongs don't make a right, but how many Wall Street execs have gone to jail stealing from American taxpayers in the last 100 years? And dis anybody at Nestle go to jail for stealing water after their license expired or the limit has passed?

[@michaelmcclown5593]

@@antonyjh1234 No not much but they will be sued so they are at least controlled to an extent.

[@Allin7days]

There are tens of thousands of Shannon You working all over the world right now!

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Did you know that the day Biden was sworn in he had the FBI cease all investigations into Chinese spy's in companies and colleges? Look it up!

[@ericle7299]

Hundreds thousands in the West. Even DARPA have several mainland China born Directors thanks to Clinton, Obama, and Biden's bullsh*t "diversity and equality in hiring".

[@ryanthompson3737]

And some of them are named Adam and are born in Kansas to 2 very white and Christian parents.

[@ericle7299]

@@ryanthompson3737 Diane Feinstein, Eric Swalwell, Hunter Biden, and Mitch Mc Connell. The CCP actively recruits those who have access to vital R & D info at those large defense contractors like Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, and BA

[@triparadox.c]

fr. why do you think over 1 mil intl. students are from mainland china in US alone?

[@Acill]

Why do all these companies insists on doing business with China, hiring Chinese engineers and others time and time again? I have seen first hand in my industry loses from this, and its been devastating.

[@williamhannas9342]

TTP is one of several dozen Chinese "talent" programs, and one of many venues and practices China uses to extract foreign technology without compensation to its owners. Read our Chinese Industrial Espionage (2013) and China's Quest for Foreign Technology (2021) for the full scope. This has been going on for a long time, is hard to detect, and even harder to prosecute, given China's ability to mobilize its fifth column United Front assets in defense of the actors and their practices. But don't demonize Chinese-Americans, who are overwhelmingly solid citizens and embarrassed by Beijing's predatory behavior. The challenge is to work against the problem while keeping one's values and decency.

[@cv990a4]

Well said.

[@verti3213]

What about Chinese students straight from China? According to common sense Chinese citizens needs to be kept away from important workplaces in order to lower corporate espionage.

[@jukio02]

@@verti3213 US does the same thing with China. They go to Chinese nationalists that are working outside of mainland China, bribe them with money and citizenship, in return they want Chinese secrets. China has already captured many spies in their country. They have sentenced them death for treason.

[@northamericanintercontinen3207]

If anyone is caught and proven guilty doing this their academic credentials should be revoked and they deported and permanently barred to their countries

[@stevencasperson6072]

After doing major time in the big house!

[@northamericanintercontinen3207]

@@stevencasperson6072 amen brother they’re just lining the pockets of the CCP

[@antithesis2211]

Deport them, after they spend some time behind bars!!! Spend a minimum of 20 years behind bars!!!

[@brendonnashca]

Give ''em the chair

[@geordonworley5618]

​@@brendonnashca Alright, calm down.

[@AnonymousUser27]

"I never shared this with anyone" Thats so dumb for someone who stole something

[@optimize.]

This has been going on for decades. Excellent that action is being taken. Better late than never.

[@pramodmali4569]

But 14years for a drink secret is crazy isn't it?

[@BingusDingusLingus]

The funny part is that something only happened after the big companies in America were affected. Before that they didn’t care, it doesn’t even matter any more apparently

[@UNgineering]

"found a briefcase containing $4000" proceeds to show a briefcase containing about half a million 😆

[@xjclk]

Time to disengage and disconnect. That is the only way to de-risk

[@TojiFushigoroWasTaken]

whats the point anyways... they have aldready surpassed the us

[@SoulDuckling126]

​@@TojiFushigoroWasTakenIn your dream ofc!

[@mikasaarela6217]

This happened to the industry I'm working in, to the company I'm working as well. Patenting anything today is a risk because of the Chinese. They have destroyed this great system.

[@exelenxius5832]

Tech espionage happened all the time, 40 years ago people are worried about Japanese tech espionage, 150 years ago people are worried about US tech espionage. As long as technological gap exist tech espionage is just the logical conclusion.

[@noname-gr9yn]

@@exelenxius5832 truth that why zhina will prevail

[@koctf3846]

4000 dollars in her briefcase; depicted with a case full of 100$ banknotes in the video. Great job Bloomberg.

[@vik2nes]

This is one of the reason why I avoid buying PRC products.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Can you also avoid posting messages on youtube?

[@goognamgoognw6637]

@@justicedemocrat9357 you 50 cent ccp army troll

[@Phunny]

@@User-qv4lg One of KZbin's founders is ethnically Chinese.

[@tenz9785]

😂 more than 50% of your possession should be made in China. Did you check the tags?

[@vik2nes]

@@justicedemocrat9357 Do you know that Chinese is also an American? Most importantly he is from Taiwan not from PRC.

[@shubashuba9209]

The lesson here is, don't hire foreign nationals from hostile countries in high level positions where sensitive information is stored.

[@pianobench6319]

For a coke can liner?

[@saivamsikrishnaposani7157]

@PianoBench In the future, it can be anything. You should be afraid man because in the future you may invent something and hire a Chinese and then they steal the information and start their own company in China with the help of Chinese government using the stolen information.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

@@pianobench6319 Which China was willing to pay to steal the ability to make.

[@pianobench6319]

@@grapesurgeon somehow I still find it really hard to even worry for the giant soda conglomerate that is coca cola. A plastic coke can liner won't make me suddenly switch over to a Chinese brand soda?

[@MithunOnTheNet]

@@pianobench6319 If it was that easy, why couldn't the Chinese figure it out then?

[@zurielsss]

You cannot have Chinese born nationals in any important role with access to sensitive information. Period

[@renomont]

I once worked for a consulting company in the early 90s. They wanted to do joint ventures in China. We opened several offices over there and trained their people. They sent many consultants to work in our offices over here. At the end of the day, we trained them, and they ran us off. In retrospect, their quality was lacking.

[@twd9798]

I am loving these videos, thanks for the great content Bloomberg!

[@___beyondhorizon4664]

DW English produced high quality documentary on various topics, including the recent report on how social media collecting our data. The title of the documentary is THE BUSINESS OF OUR DATA.

[@shimeymerih]

Especially the dramatic depiction of $4000 in briefcase 💼. They made it look and sound like 4 million. 😂😂

[@DriQ-qo7tp]

Me too!

[@suidowong7222]

If not millions, there are thousands of Chinese like her abroad.

[@larkhill2119]

If she is one in a million there are 1400 just like her in fact.

[@martinXY]

Well, what I have learned from this is I should buy Coke in glass bottles.

[@KyrieRuwachHosanna]

I read in the news about a childcare centre who spent millions preparing to enter into the China market. They invested time and money and resources into getting the place, marketing, and training a team of teachers. The turning point was Day 1 when none of the teachers came to work. It turned out that they had opened a competing centre just across the road and were simply copying all the techniques / knowledge that were shared.

[@waywardgeologist2520]

Not exact brain surgery.

[@scroungasworkshop4663]

It would make me think twice about hiring anyone that is Chinese which is unfair, but then nothing is fair with the CCP.

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

I don't hire Chinese or blacks anymore. Had too many problems.

[@موسى_7]

​@@Heart2HeartBooks What is your business?

[@Alblaka]

Ye, that's the crux of it. The thin line between geopolitical discrimination and ethnical discrimination: It's not them being Chinese that gets them discriminated again. It's the fact that there exists a government known to act in bad faith utilizing Chinese ethnicity. It's not fair towards the individual, but it can be reasoned that the fault lies with the Chinese government making their own ethnic group that untrustworthy through their practices.

[@Leosarebetter]

She is doing exactly what those types of people do.... when they get caught they plead "I did not do anything" "I dont know" - they play dumb when things dont go their way or if they have ripped you off in a contract.

[@nicolas2970]

Like Trump

[@Slay_No_More]

​@@nicolas2970 no

[@nicolas2970]

@@Slay_No_More YES

[@bluevasquez8504]

@@nicolas2970 Sniffing Joe couldn't even tell what his name is

[@Alblaka]

@@bluevasquez8504 The very fact that you think the most suitable defense for Trump's overt criminality is pointing out that his opposing candidate is potentially senile, kinda underlines just how indefensible Trump is.

[@nealrutgerskid]

LoL.. this is how the Chinese phone market grew to the current status.

[@H4nmiin]

This has been happening for quite a while, yet so many industries are doing NOTHING.

[@dingowingo7977]

Well you saw what happened when people pointed out that a certain virus came from China, now think what the reaction would be when you tell those same people that all of Chinese "success/innovation" was actually stolen and not earned?

[@advancetotabletop5328]

Coke has better security than most tech companies. :D

[@Janus-fn2uz]

The correct international known term is 'theft' not the ambiguous 'heist' .

[@doctoroctos]

A lot of people at my company were lured to work for a chinese tech company with salaries at 2x+ their US salary. They were also promised senior level positions at the new chinese company. The new company milked these employees for all the technology secrets and then let them go soon after. The people that left came back to the US company with a bit of shame. The chinese company is seeing rapid growth over the last few years due to the heavy government investment and also from stealing trade secrets.

[@JIEON.C]

This happens with korean semiconductor engineers too. Some Samsung engineers been caught with moving their positions to Chinese company with company secrets

[@ClickLikeAndSubscribe]

Surprised that PRC even needs to do this given how many foreign companies rushed to bring technology, fabrication know how, and crucially trainings to local personnel in China. It's like delivery on a golden platter.

[@CYCLONE4499]

Not so much as you would think. The most vital and technologically important patents and designs are kept secret even from the Chinese themselves. All they do is assemble the products. All the chip making and important technology is pre built.

[@D59hawk]

The west should be discouraging investment and purchasing from China using much higher duties.

[@DynamicHaze]

​@@CYCLONE4499 this right here. A lot of companies rushed in knowing what they were getting into, they figured the benefits outweighed the potential risks.

[@fleischwolf82]

​@@CYCLONE4499 Maybe the case with big companies (but I doubt when I see eg how many pharma companies have research labs in Shanghai and outsource global manufacturing to WuXi). SMEs have no chance protecting their IP when they operate in China.

[@polarbearfelly]

​ gv byyhhuv up by iiii rzbi

[@SaltyChip]

if only she took some time to learn about the american judicial system and kept her mouth shut when she had obligation to speak to the fbi.

[@SimonBrisbane]

They had the evidence that proved her guilt. There would be no story in that information alone.

[@robertp8152]

This has been happening for decades now. 😢 please take action and uncover these breaches before they happen. The amount of new discoveries from universities too please safeguard our technologies before it's too late.

[@lach0125]

I understand why everyone is complaining about about China, but look at it this way. 1. People have been stealing copyright and patented material for centuries. 2. The majority of their population still lives below our poverty line. If you were in their shoes you would probably do the same. 3. We are our own worst enemy. We bring our production and know how over to their country and expect them not to learn and reproduce at their own local rate (by any means). 4. Our own laws have such lenient penalties against IP theft that it’s worth the risk.

[@sirsillybilly]

Picking foreign flowers to make Chinese Honey ~ is the ever poetic Chinese phrase for the TTP.

[@formxshape]

The most concerning point is the the coke cans are chemically lined. Yuk.

[@triadwarfare]

There was an experiment on the Action Lab where he eroded the aluminum of the coke can and all that was left of the eroded portion of the can was a thin layer of plastic that kept the soda from spilling over. I guess that was what they wanted to steal.

[@vasopel]

yeah it was probably that.

[@JonMartinYXD]

Yes. That plastic coating is needed for any metal can containing anything acidic, eg. tomato paste.

[@azeria1]

Bruh that's kind of funny could of just done some experiments themselves and figured it out didn't have to steal anything

[@wat4036]

@@azeria1 it’s China, R&D doesn’t exist to them.

[@riproar11]

@@azeria1 *could have genius. Oh, so the people who OK'd $100 million on chemical research are idiots too?

[@thomgorman]

At least some parts of the FBI are protecting America and not a rogue political party.

[@sajaawatdecor8286]

The way he laughs when he says it prevents the coke from erroding the can within.

[@ronblack7870]

all cans have a coating inside including all soap cans and anything else. any food in a metal can directly will get a metallic taste. and it's almost always based on Bis A resin which is epoxy.

[@tomcuthbert-sayers1451]

@@ronblack7870 @ron black "any food in a metal can directly will get a metallic taste". I get your point, but by this logic its to protect the food from the can -from getting a metallic taste. What the dude said was the very opposite -to protect the can from the sweet delicious COCA~COLA readily available at cheap cheap prices anywhere you get your sustinence.

[@geronimo5537]

Coke has such high acid that it would eat through the metal. Which is why it needs the coating. Yet perfectly fine for people to consume. No wonder there are such dental issues...

[@SmoothNobody]

the best part of this story is coke needs a special chemical cocktail to prevent it's product from eating away the cans that hold it.

[@adstix]

Yup but no one seems to be concerned about that corrosive aspect! I wonder if the consumer is thereby exposed to any risk of internal injury 🤔

[@lil----lil]

Right? As if the sugar saturated drink isn't doing enough damage to your body already. Yikes! Reminds me to NEVER touch this stuff again!

[@Entertainment-]

They also have acid inside that allows the liquid to dissolve more sugar than what would typically be possible with just water.

[@ClyDIley]

Tell me your completely ignorant about chem 101 acid-base chemistry without saying it

[@farticlesofconflatulation]

If you stored any acidic fruit juice inside an aluminum can, you’d also need coke’s secret formula for that too.

[@richardhack9830]

I have a Braun KF47/1 coffee maker - made in China. My Philippine wife bought exactly the same coffee maker - made in China, without any brandname on it. She paid less than 1/3 the price I had paid for it in the Netherlands. I guess during daytime these Chinese produce Braun coffee makers and during nighttime they may produce brandless coffee makers, selling these for their own profit... The same goes for tools, motorcycle parts etc. etc. Most of it is sold on Internet either brandless or with a Chinese fantasy name.

[@nicoz4122]

I lived in China for a decade. I like football shirts. Do you know that on Taobao, their Amazon-like, you can find the real Tshirt, and also the copycat from the same factory which would be much cheaper. Only difference is that it won't have the right clothing label. And it's for all brands: Adidas, Nike, Puma ....

[@richardhack9830]

@@nicoz4122 Yep. Buying Chinese brandless products does not automatically imply poor quality. Stanley (hand tools) knows all about it. Tao-Bao is basically intended for the internal Chinese market, outside China a buyer better calls for an intermedeair to get the help he needs. Many years ago, Europeans could buy Gillette razor blades in China for a nice price. Procter&Gamble didn't like it - so nowadays according to your IP-identification the prices are adapted to your country. Maybe VPN might help, but I'm not certain about that...

[@artfulandtricky]

Thanks Bloomberg. Please do the right thing and continue to shed light

[@johnnywadd7960]

Chinese again....

[@FindTheFun]

Every time they say "Ms. Yo" I get a chuckle. "Yo, miss, it's not just talking!"

[@ruthc8407]

Our new multi-cultural nation is going to be so great.

[@anotherdude6197]

Well time to delete your KZbin account since it was co-founded by Steve Chen who is an American-born Chinese. Don’t want a multicultural nation? Your first step would be to delete your very KZbin account if you don’t want to be “multicultural”

[@GSD-]

Wow, FBI agents who are actually prosecuting real crimes 👏🏼

[@GeneralChangFromDanang]

I know. It almost makes them look useful.

[@sarahmanalapan8443]

Didnt know they exist

[@chriscappuccio]

high key sus

[@bluerationality]

There is also that GE case where it goes into detail on how Chinese spies work

[@425domino]

Well done FBI...

[@panama-canada]

A briefcase of $4000 that’s not even a full stack of bills lol

[@danalawton2986]

Anyone who knows anything about China know Industrial Espionage is very common... and it is not just secrets of foreign companies, but secrets on any company. Going forward... we should start copying all of their innovations and throw it back in their face.

[@ashleymarie7452]

Somehow the Chinese seem to have a teensy problem understanding and respecting intellectual rights. It must lose something in the translation. Sort of like, "It's your fault that you left your car parked in your driveway with the keys in it. All I did was drive it away.."

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

Somehow 200 years ago the Americans had *EXACTLY* the same problem understanding and respecting intellectual rights. They were doing it on an industrial scale to Europeans. So meh I find it hilarious that the USA is bitching about it now they are on the receiving end.

[@nicoz4122]

It's a little bit different... Actually, in Chinese markets, IP theft between Chinese companies is something very usual. So, in the local market, the competition is so tense that the Chinese have this thinking that maybe it goes the same everywhere. Add to that since 2016/2017, XJP decided that China will become more reliable on itself and more assertive. This is not an issue in iteself, but the problem lies in the philosophy that: it's ok to steal, to cheat, it's all for the sake of improving motherland...

[@ashleymarie7452]

@@nicoz4122 Sort of like thinking it's ok to rob banks because it's improving my net worth... Convenient total lapse of ethics.

[@JamesOversteer]

They have a problem ‘respecting’ in general, from economically and politically to even culturally.

[@sarahjenkins7064]

The lives of all working Asian Americans just got a little harder.

[@williamnessanbaum7464]

I don't understand why this woman started talking. The first and only thing she should have said is "Put me back in the holding cell. I refuse to talk without a lawyer."

[@HeroFinn]

Why doesn't she have a lawyer with her? Aren't you supposed to have one when being questioned?

[@glennmorris25]

this story is about incentives, but the world HAS seen it for the last 50 years. China has incentivized our parents and grandparents to make stuff in China, and they traded short term profits for our long term success as a nation. This is one example, but we are 50 years too late.

[@jamesavilez9504]

Between US corporate greed and indifference, the tremendous efforts made by prior generations have been squandered for CEO's quarterly bonuses.

[@yashaswisingh8596]

West is really getting played by the Chinese

[@skp8748]

India is getting played by itself😂

[@robertmayfield8746]

'How to prevent chemicals in the coke from eroding the can' - sounds like safe to drink 😂

[@Yora21]

It's metal. Most metals corrode simply from the humidity in the air. Aluminium is a bit more resistant than iron and copper, but it still won't last for years exposed to carbonic acid. Except for gold, you will never find shiny metal just lying around in nature. It's always as oxides because they really don't want to exist as pure metals.

[@robertmayfield8746]

@@Yora21 The way you use certain facts is very selective. So, part true is still bs. Thank you for precious lecture. I don't know what we'd all do without your words of wisdom 🤣🤣

[@calvin659]

@@robertmayfield8746 There was nothing selective about his facts. You sound like an uneducated imbecile.

[@vioseven3799]

Everyone should know by now that you got to be cautious with any Chinese now days.

[@lawrencez.6902]

It's disgusting to see individuals like this representing the entire Chinese-American community. Way to lose face for those of us are honest and try to genuinely contribute to society.

[@blackcorp0001]

Please ...share some more of your crocodile tears

[@tawnybrawn]

@@blackcorp0001 Let people pick a side don’t pick it for them

[@blackcorp0001]

@@tawnybrawn tell the CCP your story and see how far you get

[@raj_podcast-io3wo]

F**k off technology stealers

[@lenovo7999]

@@tawnybrawn the sides have been picked, freedom is in republic of china

[@craigkdillon]

I wonder if companies will be less willing to hire Chinese workers? I know that if I ran a company that had trade secrets, I would think twice before hiring a Chinese national, or even a naturalized American citizen of Chinese origin.

[@Yora21]

This has been going on for 20 years. There's nothing new about any of it.

[@healthyhabits3374]

In that case the Chinese will say he/she is Asian.

[@alap1983]

This just proves how Cheap is actually Expensive.

[@hammerfist8763]

Nothing new here. 200 years ago, the US did it to Britain by appropriating their water-powered textile mills and mechanical looms designs.

[@arunsar7893]

Everything is fair in Love and War. And this is war.

[@jamesavilez9504]

It is war, and I wish the idiots in charge would act accordingly. Take that any way you want to.

[@prateekdhingra292]

Exactly. China is waging war against all democracies around world be it US or Europe or India or Japan or Australia

[@robitybob6820]

Unfortunately it cast doubt on all Chinese in sensitivity position.

[@AB-wf8ek]

Should we cast doubt on every White person in a sensitive position everytime a white person does something wrong?

[@seriouscat2231]

What is a sensitivity position?

[@julieeldridge8760]

She was fleeing the country with $4k? You can hardly go to another state in the US with that kind of money 😂

[@Phlegethon]

As a consumer I kind of want to know whether my can liner is safe

[@furtim1]

then don't buy ANYTHING from a reseller like Amazon or Ebay - that is where all the billions of knock-off products and stolen goods from the mob looting sprees are unloaded.

[@edward9643]

She said she didn't do anything and that it was just talk? GUILTY of conspiracy to defraud

[@djcrystals15]

There's two stories here. I am just as interested in these chemicals I was unaware were lining the cans we consume in the U.S.. I worked for DuPont for years and these heavyweight chemical companies aren't concerned about public exposure and long term affects. BPA-NI? Just a drop in the bucket to the things we're exposed to and don't know about.

[@3markaw]

Where have you been ? I've been hearing about chemicals in my food since I was in grade school. Everyone in school knew Coke was acidic.

[@djcrystals15]

@@3markaw There's an ingredients list on food packaging with numerous chemicals most folks can't pronounce. So, yea. Not on cans.

[@mckendrick7672]

What's crazy is that a lot of people think they're getting away from BPA and plastic by using cans, yet the cans have BPA plastic lining them while plastic bottles have mostly moved away from using BPA.

[@djcrystals15]

@@mckendrick7672 Absolutely.

[@nirfz]

It's the main reason cans should not heated up over fire. Sure soda cans won't. But all cans are lined to prevent corrosion and "taste exchange". And people heat up canned soups inside the cans over fire ect. And while normal storage is not going to do anything, heating them up over fire will. (i say that with normal storage with confidence, because any chemical reaction between the lining and the content would change the properties and reduce the time the product can be stored in the can drastically. And both things are against what the manufacturer wants to achieve.)

[@johnmarten4184]

The Glacier Bay fixtures at Home Depot are made by a Chinese outfit that stole from MASCO. MASCO wanted a piece of the Chinese market (they do a bit of construction there) and felt it needed to manufacture there. So plants were built, suppliers cultivated, workers trained, managers hired. The local hires were able to set-up a direct competitor using the MASCO supply chain.

[@kentstansberry9748]

I'll never drink soda out of an aluminum can again.

[@billedifier8584]

Better not to drink it at all, it's just as corrosive whatever the container is!

[@jasong3972]

Companies with controlled technologies and universities should be legally obligated to conduct screenings of candidates from countries that pose an espionage threat.

[@marrrtin]

The UK just recently drastically reduced the number of Chinese academics allowed on University research programs for this precise reason.

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Go woke and Go Broke!

[@Ilovecruise]

ISO27001 did require a valid screening before hiring, but oh well it’s not like the HR has the ability to look through a person’s thought and political stand.

[@KevinDurantEasy]

High quality content. Love it

[@wcolby]

It’s a social thing… it’s not polite to talk about but the Chinese have a different standard of class when it comes to business. they’re just supporting their families that’s what they’re doing. They’re supporting their families and helping their community out of poverty but yes they’re stealing other peoples work to do it.

[@zzzanon]

Next talk about Israeli espionage, particularly on US Military secrets

[@SP-ny1fk]

I know a number of people who went to manufacture their products in China, only to have them copied and released for cheaper in the Western market under a different name. Non-compete clauses mean nothing to these people.

[@erikm9768]

She didnt really "talk herself into a 14 years sentence" as they already had the evidence so she would have been convicted either way

[@bwasman8409]

A briefcase shown with $4000.00? You can put that in your pocket!

[@RichardsWorld]

A briefcase with $4,000. What a low budget operation 😀

[@KennethGreenCMP]

Meanwhile in the US, we are worried and focused about a book in the library that no one reads. They are focused on building a smart army and we are still stuck on getting along.