I return to replace the blower motor and contactor on the Trane Roof Top Ac system I found frozen a few days earlier from a non working blower motor.
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@djastram5 жыл бұрын
I could watch you work all day!
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Happy you enjoy watching my work.
@mujeeb71004 жыл бұрын
I love your mechanical tools. Even i am a AC service technician , i do repair window AC till a 180tr scroll chiller.. A damn hard worker. When i see your tools it seems like smart work.
@promisel19645 жыл бұрын
whom ever said your wasting time cause you are double checking the wiring, is wrong, just think, if you dont' double check and throw that breaker/disconnect, and burn up something, then having to re-wire it will be wasting time you do good work, keep going!
@TedCookHVAC5 жыл бұрын
Good one Hack ..... sounds like you are jacked up on pocket rockets towards the end !!
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I usually edit in a fast speed and forgot to reset the last clip.
@throttlebottle59065 жыл бұрын
lol
@smartpig1295 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker and here I thought you did that in interest of getting that vid on the reel at less than an hour lol
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
@@smartpig129 Lately the only thing I been cutting out of the videos is dead space. Been keeping the vids real work. I'm just a tech never claiming to be perfect but who enjoys what I do
@J-Colt5 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this one, Thanks!
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it
@J-Colt5 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker Enjoy all your vids. Thanks again!
@pseudosmith99455 жыл бұрын
Set one edge of the cage on the corner of the A/C unit foundation pad.. support the other edge with some makeshift arrangement, (even leg, foot, etc which I've done many times) and lightly tap on the shaft downward to ease motor shaft through cage.
@williegillie57125 жыл бұрын
Well at least ya only have to pull the blower motor out. The shroud stayed in. Looked like one of your easier jobs. Customer has their cold air back. Everyone’s happy
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Yes it was an easy one
@kevinsklow34735 жыл бұрын
Great vid, you’ve got a nice Milwaukee arsenal there. I would suggest adding the M12 Version of a dremel tool with the quick change arbor..... well worth the money. Also a 3/8 universal adapter. I haul so much extra stuff around and I’m constantly trying to balance between a heavy bag and 10 trips back and forth
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I will check out the dremel tool. Milwaukee has tools to pull most jobs off. I have the m12 hacksaw and m18 fuel hacksaw. the m18 is a beast. the m12 isn't bad yet lacking the power and speed
@hvacjohnnie5 жыл бұрын
Very impressive... you actually took your time and didn’t get caught in the 🌧 I get caught 95% of the time, no Matter if I rush, or take my time. It may be do to the fact that most of the time I’m working on a Goodman😉. No knock on the Goodman from me, but somebody had to say it, because you didn’t and that just didn’t seem right. Oh bad! That’s the other Hacker!! Man, you Guys got me confused 😄 Nice job
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I was caught in the rain at my last job and it never rained here so I thought it was coming. I wouldn’t of cleaned the blower wheel if it seemed to be coming where this job was. Goodman’s aren’t that bad just a bad rep cause many are installed by someone that doesn’t know hvac
@hvac014535 жыл бұрын
only thing I do different, is to attempt to remember to try mark the location where wires are oriented on the blower BEFORE I break it down. I also vaguely remember seeing a demo video to locate the plug on the bottom side, in the event condensate gets on the motor, gravity will drain out and away from the motor. Also to install a drip loop in the harness in case condensate follows the wire to the motor. Its these little things that can save you a head-ache later.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I matched the terminals to where Trane put them. It makes sense to put the wire terminals downward but not where water might get pulled off the coil. I had lots of issues with these motors where Lennox wanted dielectric grease in the moles plug to protect the motor from moisture.
@hvac014535 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker ya, I was rather thinking about how sometimes things in the blower compartment might start to sweat. Especially the motor being metal to condense on. positioning the plug at 6 O'Clock would prevent the condensate from reaching the inside of the motor or the terminal connections.
@mtsaz1005 жыл бұрын
No these little things save the customer several hundred dollars later when it has to be replaced sooner than it normally would be----it saves you the headache trying to explain to them why the motor only lasted 18 months.
@mikefrayman52245 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe you left the unit down for so long in the hot summer
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
2 hours with the office it cools closed for the day. No one noticed
@mikefrayman52245 жыл бұрын
The HVAC Hacker you were there a week ago
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
When I left the unit was running 2 days earlier. It was still operating when I returned.
@jeffgrant69145 жыл бұрын
Nice repair video 👍
@calebburns43465 жыл бұрын
I punched a wheel 3 weeks ago doing the exact same thing. When that set screw let go I hit right on the second knuckle of my pointer finger. Holy shit balls my dude, that was some intense pain, I had to take 5 and really curse that one out. I didn't need stitches even though I hit the corner of a fin but boy did that ever swell up worse than any other time. And that's the third time ive done that, aperantly I'm too stupid to learn to pull the wrench instead of pushing on it.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
After a trip to the ER for stitches I am always cautious. Worst part was I was an hour from home. Punched the wheel and the wheel won. I just picked up my tools and told the homeowner I would be back tomorrow. I was dripping blood everywhere,
@throttlebottle59065 жыл бұрын
with my luck, it would start pouring rain as I got on the roof and it would only quit after I finished and driving away.. if not for bad luck, I'd have none :)
@Bluefox431435 жыл бұрын
Get you a six inch long 1/4 inch nut drive driver with magnet in the end. Always take off one wire at a time and place it own the new contactor That will really help you.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
That works many times one at a time. Yet if I want to lean a system I like to trace the wires out. On a resi unit I can rip everything off and easily rewire. Only a condenser fan, comp, and crankcase heater. If there is a lot more wires than what’s in this system yes one at a time
@TheCrystalGlow5 жыл бұрын
I have had great success with applying heat with a torch to kind of get the metal expanded. You want to heat the outside ring and not the bolt itself and sometimes the retaining screw will come out clean. Side effects might include fire though with the oil but that’s OK LOL. If that fails I get a pair of rather large vice grips and a brass rod and get a hammer involved.
@Eddy635 жыл бұрын
Good vid Hackster ... I shall drink a stout Bloody Mary in your honor ... Much appreciated ...
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eddie and enjoy that bloody mary
@bairfamilyfarm13365 жыл бұрын
Careful with the WD! It'll cause rubber to swell and metal to rust really fast. Previous place of employment used WD to dry drain snakes and use pb blaster to prevent rusting. Not sure why WD causes metal to rust, I think the oil in it is too thin and goes away before the water displacement does. I'm guessing it then displaces water from the atmosphere onto the metal. I just use 3-in-1, it's easy to find, lubes better, and after 10 minutes of soaking, the top layer of rust almost wipes off. And I don't like aerosol cans, i make too a mess most the time. But I do use WD to dry stuff.
@bairfamilyfarm13365 жыл бұрын
The rubber swelling was from experience, I was rebuilding a carb and wd was all I had on hand. Got some on the bowl gasket somehow and it swelled up and wouldn't fit the bowl anymore.
@kevinsklow34735 жыл бұрын
I agree the WD is a little on the light side, but boy does the PB Blaster stink....
@Brutis-19835 жыл бұрын
Ever tried Areo Kriol? Smells like transmission fluid but works.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I use wd-40 to clean my tools. It seems to work on keeping them rust-free even after spending two days in a row working in the rain on RTU's.PB blaster is good, I use liquid wrench often also. WD-40 gets in and breaks rusted stuff free. May take longer yet still works. a small break and the wheel broke free after soaking a bit in wd. its not the strongest but does work and wont give you a headache when working in a confined space
@bairfamilyfarm13365 жыл бұрын
@@kevinsklow3473 Yup, that's another reason I use 3-in-1. It works great and doesn't smell as bad. Today somebody told me about Liquid wrench's penetrant and lube in a can being easy to control as it comes out slower and foamier. So I'll give that a try, hopefully not making a big mess again.
@shadowsiren30585 жыл бұрын
Looks like raw pretty much not edited
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is I have nothing to hide in my work
@JoelCrager5 жыл бұрын
Nice work other than I do not understand why when you changed out the contactor you didn't move one wire at a time to the new one then mount the new. With so many wires that is normally how people do that and some take extra time to label the wires. See how you get extra charged time out of your customers LOL.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Not everyone does it your way. On most residential splits I rip all the wires off and rewire. Tracing wires helps a tech learn more about the system. Changing wire for wire doesn’t help you learn more about the machine your working on. I also never seen one of these Trane units without a relia tel control board inside
@hollywood7395 жыл бұрын
9:12 😂 I was gonna say before to just use your service wrench But yes I have busted my knuckles a few times And the bad thing is Is that I always know it gonna happen the split second right before it does And I never learn from it lol
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I had to get stitches a few times from that so I will pass. Experience tells me not to
@JohnDoe-vf8cw5 жыл бұрын
I had to remove a fan shaft about 6 ft long from an oldd Brazilian carrier , I had to chop it up in pieces to get it out.
@Sctronic2095 жыл бұрын
Take a old hub from a blower wheel and weld a piece of black pipe to it and put a round rod through it for a tee Handel.then you can spin the shaft while holding the wheel to loosen it after the set screw is loose of course.
@Sctronic2095 жыл бұрын
You also need to make a drop bucket so you can set the motor on the blower wheel holds it up tap the motor shaft to drop the motor.
@shawnbologna82815 жыл бұрын
Man I've never been an ac guy who has too much to prove... lol I agree I always use my puller..doesn't take up much room and why not work smarter not harder
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I wish I had my puller on me or I would use it. I left it in my other van so had to make this work. i screwed up hubs trying to use gas pipe to break it free. I got lucky here yet was considering running to the closest supply house to get a puller.
@shawnbologna82815 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker I hear ya, and you are right anybody who says they have never needed a puller is full of 💩
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
You obviously haven’t seen the comment section on most my videos where I’m changing a motor. I never claim to be the best tech just a good tech. There is better techs out there
@hvac014535 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker the issue when trying to force the wheel off, is the wheel center ring gets damaged and either gets bent or loosens up on the vanes. Now you have to go get a wheel.... what takes longer now? another trick to use on those square nuts is to use an 8 point socket and breaker bar or ratchet.
@tomh67795 жыл бұрын
I’ve never used a puller either. Thirty years now!
@DW-vl2wi5 жыл бұрын
The reason a puller is better for replacement is for two reasons: Easier to pull the motor from the cage, and you do not want any WD40 or likewise solvent getting into the new motor housing; as solvent mixing with the lubricant is destined early failure. I also hope that the blower motor wasn't attached to a capacitor, as good practice is to replace the capacitor with the motor and or any starting components. From my experience the compressor(s) and blower motor are protected by fuses with capacitors only being used with the condenser fan motors. As you can tell, I live and breathe HVAC. Good work man. Definitely use the puller whenever possible though. 42:00 You were talking about the wires on the capacitor. Brown is usually fan, purple for start winding of compressor, and black or yellow for common.
@rogerf36225 жыл бұрын
D W this was an x-13 motor. There is no capacitor and its 220v live full time to the motor. Power should have been cut prior to unplugging the connector to the motor.
@DW-vl2wi5 жыл бұрын
@@rogerf3622 I agree. Always open the circuit and double check no power is present prior to messing with any equipment.
@MindzEnt5 жыл бұрын
Uhh, crescent wrench for the screw bro
@nandoortiz895 жыл бұрын
I chrinched watching him mess with the screw and was going the wrong way
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you can crack it free by tightening. Many fasteners may not back off without breaking the rust
@Moe14720125 жыл бұрын
If you took a picture of the contacted it would be faster to replace
@appliancerepairshorts4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done
@Marshallkhamou5 жыл бұрын
Have you ever got a bad new motor and had to reinstall it I seen guys check capacitors before installation why not motors
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
It is rare to get a defective motor since it is an easy test for the manufacturer before packaging it.
@Sctronic2095 жыл бұрын
Most motors that are bad are from someone dropping the box, shaft hitting the ground.
@shadowsiren30585 жыл бұрын
That’s 60fps we can see things a lot better now
@josephtran-day6281 Жыл бұрын
I can confirm im children and I am watching HVAC stuff and climb roof to fix it today
@kcomfortsystemshvac70605 жыл бұрын
Hacker,,,,,good blees you,,,,good man ,,,
@trevorhvac67995 жыл бұрын
Bro they have a wire wheel that hooks into your impact that will get the rush off the shift in about 10 seconds. Just a thought. That's what I use
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
You have a make and part # to share. I would use a wire wheel any day over sand cloth
@shawnbologna82815 жыл бұрын
Yea me too would love any model# to help find part... fits any normal drill or impact?
@trevorhvac67995 жыл бұрын
They sell them at lowes walmart home depot etc. Just go in the tool section.. I just researched on google real quick amazon popped up with "Forney 72733 wire wheel brush
@trevorhvac67995 жыл бұрын
I also use it to clean copper too. Works wonders. Right before I make a cut I hook it on my impact make a few passes around. Nice and shiny. My motor shafts I spray some Wd40 fire my drill up and spin the blower wheel holding the drill steady 10 seconds and done. Blower wheel slips right off no prob
@trevorhvac67995 жыл бұрын
I used sand paper and it just took to long and or I would bust my knuckles on the blower wheel.🤨 this was my solution
@truckinforever9855 жыл бұрын
Could you use your fan motor puller on that Looks like a break coming up
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I could yet i left it in the Astro van from a blower I replaced the night before this and forgot to put it back into my main van
@robpowell75995 жыл бұрын
You should get a wobble extension or a swivel kit for you ratchet
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Yes I should get wobble, i do have universal joints
@robpowell75995 жыл бұрын
@@thehvachacker I found an old carrier sliding scale natural gas furnace manifold pressure calculator
@lukaszzeswion5 жыл бұрын
Nice work. You forgot to take your Cable Cutter you left him inside fan then you put cover back.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I got them, I opened it back up before leaving not finding it in my bag
@joshuamelnick486929 күн бұрын
Turbo motor shaft with a crescent wrench and hold the wheel. Never will need a puller
@justcasey36784 жыл бұрын
It was extremely frustrating watching you replaced the contactor. I have replaced contactors but not taken that long, only minutes.
@thehvachacker4 жыл бұрын
Why you allow yourself to get frustrated? Better to take your time than connect a wire incorrectly and short a motor or fry a transformer. I have swapped many contractors in minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5PJaqVupZmsp9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJLXqGNpjd5ki6s a few videos of contractor swaps.
@Robert-Wilson5 жыл бұрын
Why was the last part of video at wrong speed?
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
When I watch the video to edit I play it at a faster speed. I messed up and didn't return the speed back to normal
@Robert-Wilson5 жыл бұрын
The HVAC Hacker ok was just wondering. Thought KZbin was being a butt again.
@markbaker19695 жыл бұрын
Could you have just changed the control module on the end of the motor?
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
You can change just the module yet if the module failed many times it could be due to the motor so I reduce call backs by just replacing the whole unit.
@heathertyler16065 жыл бұрын
Meant. To say. Can. U. Use. Heat. To losing it
@Bluefox431435 жыл бұрын
Why did you not put the ajustable wench on the shaft in the first place to remove the squirrel cage?. Notice you had the channel locks on the set screw the wrong way. Looks like you were even trying to turn the set screw the wrong way. A small adjustable works on square head set screws real good also. Is this the first one you ever changed? Did you put the squirrel cage back on the same distance as the old one from the new motor? Did not see you measure it. You are learning. That's good
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I will never use a small adjustable wrench inside a blower wheel. That wheel is really sharp and I have punch a few yet one of those punches required some stitches. Yes the motor had proper clearance to spin freely. And yes this is my first one I ever changed
@Bluefox431435 жыл бұрын
I believe you are pulling by leg. Use that adjuststable. Put a small mark on the shaft and put the squirrel cage back at the same distance from the new motor
@natepeterson71455 жыл бұрын
Probably impractical but could you justify carrying a small piece of pipe/hard copper to put on your service wrench so you don't cut your knuckles. I'm known for having an excessive amount of tools/helper devices to make my job easier. Just a thought
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
You could but the service wrenches strip easy plus I always have my Knipex pliers wrench which works great on busting these open. I use the service wrench mostly for my acetylene tank. The service wrench I carry doesn’t have a square big enough. It has 2 squares the acetylene tank size and hex key adapter.on one side. The other side has 1/2” and 9/16 hex openings. It’s more useful this setup since 9/16 until recently has been the normal refrigerant hex cap. Now Lennox is starting to use 14mm
@spookycat992 жыл бұрын
I can't get the electrical clip separated!
@stueygreenberg89894 жыл бұрын
"I think I stripped it but Im gonna keep trying and strip it more!"...get rid of that angle ratchet bro....magnetic extension bits. Invest in a can of Penetrate, and ditch you WD40 also. Did you even attempt to get that wheel of without your 20 extra steps? I have had to lubricate maybe 1 out of 25 wheels ive removed. Dont use channel lock on the wheel hub screw, get a end wrench or crescent wrench. Its no wonder a Trade School is showing your videos in the "Heres not what to do." scenarios. At least you have titled yourself accordingly Hacker approved!
@patrickjholguin44474 жыл бұрын
Those are not Channel locks, they are Knipex Pliers Wrench 86 03 150...The jaws are smooth.
@breadman32205 жыл бұрын
thumbnail looks like you opened up a computer
@truckinforever9855 жыл бұрын
What size is the ratchet you have and is a little heavy in your bag
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
That’s a 3/8 Milwaukee m12 fuel and it’s only in my bag if I think I’m adjusting belts on RTU’s or anything with fasteners o5er than 1/4” or 5/16. I use it all the time on generators also
@arrealhandymanservice44595 жыл бұрын
So would a bad fan motor or compressor cause contactor to burn or flop around when calling for cool as off it doesn’t want to stay sucked in
@MrDmadness5 жыл бұрын
no, the contactor is powered by a 24 volt signal, it is basically a switch that is controlled by low voltage taht switches on a higher voltage component. a burnt motor can have a few reasons, the primary one being that the airflow is not enough or that the motor is under some other strain and just burns out, often this happens from dirt on roof top units, the dirt settles into the windings of the motor and eventually it either burns out or shorts to ground. the capacitor is often the problem also, as this kind of motor requires a good capacitor to function. the contactors sometimes develop a carbon build up on the contact points or other debris preventing them from closing the circuit. these can sometimes be remedied simply by light sanding the contact points if they are accessiblle.
@tomh67795 жыл бұрын
I always put a two pole in those. Screw them single pole. Must have bought that from Trane
@throttlebottle59065 жыл бұрын
nothing wrong with that, just make sure the crankcase heater and anything else that needs constant power is on the line side of contactor so it always has power. they often cheaped out and did something silly ;) obviously not everything has a crankcase heater or other devices that needs constant power.....
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Yes motor and contactor ordered from Trane. I usually put 2 poles in also yet order one through manufacture. Nothing in this unit needs constant power except the blower motor. Yet it’s not communicating with anything so does it really?
@fredflintstone80485 жыл бұрын
I think the only thing I would have done differently is not use the cover with the schematic on it as a work bench dripping wd40 on it and scuffing it up by dragging the motor etc over it. You said it was in bad shape in the last video, but you're only making it worse.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Usually I wouldn't use the cover, if you seen the initial service call kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHqan5udh5iseMU the schematic is completely worn out and unreadable. I would never destroy the most important map to me. Yet no part of that schematic could be vital
@throttlebottle59065 жыл бұрын
how is it there in Bedrock? lol
@fredflintstone80485 жыл бұрын
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@throttlebottle59065 жыл бұрын
@@fredflintstone8048 lol!
@smartpig1295 жыл бұрын
I got a clear look at that in the last vid. The schematic was nonexistent by the time Hacker got to it so there wasn't any point in trying to preserve blank paper.
@swill15304 жыл бұрын
Sorry but watching that fan removal was painful done fully rusted ones in less time
@thehvachacker4 жыл бұрын
Yes it was. I left my puller in my other truck. or this would of been done a lot quicker. Sometimes you just have to make it work somehow
@fimster915 жыл бұрын
Get the easy out
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
Good thing I didn't over torque that bolt. Sucks breaking a pressed in threaded fastener. They just spin in the housing
@fimster915 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to stop a train
@kumardinesh19902 жыл бұрын
Tell me blower wiring sir
@smartpig1295 жыл бұрын
...I think this is the first vid of yours where the comment section isn't over-run by cancerous chucklef***s dogging on your perfectly good work....
@johnsmithjr54985 жыл бұрын
Smart Pig You don't do commercial HVAC service do you.
@heathertyler16065 жыл бұрын
Can u. Heat map gas. Will. Losing. It.
@thehvachacker5 жыл бұрын
I never tried heating a blower wheel should work, yet spraying with wd letting it soak in while i went to truck for an adjustable wrench was all that was needed. I put the adjustable on the shaft and was able to spin the wheel free with no effort. Sometimes I need to have patience letting a penetrating oil work itself through the rust. Usually I don’t have and keep attaching. I do know wd40 isn’t really considered a penetrating oil yet I have broken free many rusted up pump bolts with it
@mujeeb71004 жыл бұрын
I only suggest one thing , next time pls get someone jus to recors video i a good way , little bit of disturbance. Every thing else is fine.