Blue Belt Pisses Off Brown Belt with a Sloppy Submission

Today we've got a question from a BJJ Blue Belt, named Tye, who recently pissed off his Brown Belt training partner.
He's a young guy & the Brown Belt was someone who essentially took him under his wing. Well, the other day they were rolling, and Tye caught the Brown belt in the Guillotine.
The Brown Belt does not tap, Tye makes multiple adjustments, and at some point, 4 or so minutes in, after the Brown Belt escaped, he bashed the Blue Belt for the rest of the round.
After they got done rolling the Brown Belt was obviously pissed.
Tye sends the message asking what he should have done in this situation.
In this video, I'll give you a specific tip to prevent this from happening again. I'll also discuss the higher belts perspective and what he could have done.
Hopefully, you found the answer useful Tye, and for anyone else out there who has had this situation happen to them, I hope this helps you too.
Thanks for watching.
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[@smorgasborgas]

Dude’s ego got in the way of tapping

[@Kinetic7z]

Well said.

[@hermanmelville3871]

Sounds like that brown belt forgot that he trains in a contact sport.

[@Bob-cg9el]

He probably should have just tapped

[@salsinhojitsu8677]

Or escape lol, that's the point

[@hedonistic_ambition9060]

100% this, hate when people get butthurt over something like this. I'd understand if the dude straight cranked from a bad position leading to an injury but if you ease into a crank and they still don't want to tap. its completely on them. I mean thats the whole reason were here.

[@TC_Personal]

100% People tap to neck cranks in competition... if it works it works.

[@wendellmartin4753]

There’s a fallacy in that logic, as in if that’s the case then the higher belt should never let the lower belt do anything but just constantly submit them and smash them. We need to be able to trust our teammates so instead of wrenching on a submission that’s not working and possibly causing injury, just move on to something else then ask how to improve.

[@wendellmartin4753]

@@TC_Personalthe key word is competition… people come from all walks of life to train, different ages, levels of fitness, injuries, etc. it’s called a class because it is the place of learning. Save the kill mentality for the competition where you have someone of same age, rank, and weight who’s trying to beat you, not your partners

[@jamestk656]

At this point in my training/injury curve, I just take it as my loss for letting them get a clean hold of my neck in the first place. Missing training from a sore neck is a net negative relative to tapping out.

[@TheRollingStonedBJJ]

Humble mindset

[@Reflectionmaterial]

I tap to people getting a mount on me. It only matters in competitions

[@enrapturedgoose5317]

@@Reflectionmaterial why tap to mount?

[@joshdeets1584]

That may have been sarcasm, which is something I tap to regularly

[@Reflectionmaterial]

@@enrapturedgoose5317 in Sambo 4 points. In Judo and wrestling it means you lost. In grappling 4 points behind. In MMA etc you get punched in the face. Mount escapes are great but not worth wasting an entire sparring round on.

[@jakecraig9642]

Well spoken and great advice, you're the best. These conversations are so important for a healthy respectful jiu jitsu practice.

[@phobowl]

I’m a brown. I have no issues tapping to lower belts. I would never let my neck be stuck in a guillotine for 4-5 min

[@tigercrush2253]

For real. This brown belt is the problem in this equation. People get so scared and egotistical about tapping.

[@vein2359]

@@tigercrush2253 yes tapping too a guillotine is total normal thing i hope. us noobs can do the fancy leglocks.

[@rlockwood88]

It goes both ways. 1. I'm tapping if it hurts anyway 2. If I hold on to a submission for more than 15 seconds during training I'm going to assume I'm not quite there on it and transitioning to something else

[@jameswilsonmusic7749]

Exactly.

[@wes11293]

Great advice. As someone with neck surgery done. It’s really not worth it. One bad crank and I’m screwed for 1-2 weeks and I have job family like most. Be the solution so it benefits everyone. And also in the end guys… he got out of the bad position so it wasn’t good anyways for the tap part. Having the technique and choke he would’ve tap in 6-10 seconds max. Make the technique legit but with the neck crank for someone tough it won’t work but just make them not want to train with you. But yes talk to each other let these egos in training go. Help each other get better. That’s when you get better. 👍🏼

[@Shadowoftheoldones]

I've been insecure, and had issues tapping to lower belts before, but this quote resonates with me: "if a lower belt taps you, be happy for them" (not sure where I heard it). I think it is important to remember, even if the submission isn't perfect.

[@vincechanhealthy6373]

The title was enough for me to watch this video. Great advice on both ends here!

[@SquidFox9]

Also… as a 5 year blue belt who’s been training for a lot longer than that, I get upper belts that simply don’t want to tap. It’s obnoxious sometimes and I often just let something go when I could crank it but don’t want to hurt them.

[@tigercrush2253]

And then get labeled as being "wild" or "cranking submissions" when actually the upper belt just wouldn't tap when they should.

[@SquidFox9]

@@tigercrush2253I do often just let things go if it’s not cleanish with all belts. But def have upper belts not tap on the regular. I’ve been training for 15 plus years , consistently for last 6 or so and notice higher belts often don’t want to tap. I have regularly been In positions where I could break a limb and the upper belts just going crazy to get out. I just let it go. Not worth it and sometimes it creates drama. I’ve had many the coaches or upper belts get pissed at me for tapping them when they thought I should let it go etc. I’ve trained at many gyms over the last several years due to moving and a number of reasons. I find upper belts just expect to be better and they get pissed. At this pint I just train and let it all go.

[@SquidFox9]

@@tigercrush2253I had upper belt coaches from My last gym get pissed at me for tapping them. One just thought he should be better than me for some reason and I could feel his agro energy when we were rolling so I smothered him and cooked him on bottom. I then went from threatening kimura to paper choke back and forth till I wore him out and then paper cutter choked him. He got pissed and smacked me in the head to tap. I only cooked him because he was being a dck. He apologized after wards and acknowledged he was being a dck. The other time another coach was playing leg locks w me and I guess thought because he was a higher belt he was better at playing leg locks. Well I trained leg locks since white belt and did a leg lock class once a week for 3 years consistently and many years off and on prior to that. This gym, the only one he ever trained at and the one he got his belts from, didn’t really do leg locks because it was a traditional Gracie gym. I was surprised he started playing leg locks but I figure ok, he’s playing leg locks so I’ll do leg locks and spun out of his lame toe hold and caught him in another leg lock pretty hard. I slowly applied pressure allowing him time to tap and he got up and he started yelling and talking sht after he tapped. Super lame. I had to leave that gym because of the agro bs sht like that.

[@tigercrush2253]

@@SquidFox9 I'll give my coach props. He straight up says, if you're a brown or black belt - assuming there isn't a MASSIVE size disparity - don't ever come to him and complain about a lower belt going too hard on you. Use your Jiu Jitsu to control them and keep yourself safe.

[@wishanaigawood]

First priority is safety of yourself and your partners. If you don't have a sub clean, ask your partner if it's close or way off. If it's way off, let it go and move on. You don't need to "win" in practice. After the roll ask questions. Communication is key in any relationship

[@willdallas53]

If I don’t have a sub in 15 seconds. I’m giving up on it.

[@thylabyrinth]

Anything longer than that comes off as desperate tbh.

[@hedark1135]

Lol I’m a brown belt and a coach. I tell my guys all the time to camp submissions. If I put someone in a darce or triangle or something and they don’t tap in 15 seconds, fine. I’ll camp the sub for 60 seconds and make them get tired by working out of it. A lot of chokes are slow burns if everything isn’t perfect. That fine. Doesn’t mean I need to let go though.

[@tigercrush2253]

@@hedark1135 I agree. There are times where the submission isn't there and you're just holding, but there are tons of times where it just takes a little adjustment and a little patience to sink it in properly, especially when someone is resisting super hard but not trying to escape. Lower belts may not always feel the difference, so they end up holding longer on things that aren't there, but that's how we learn.

[@DuvalsFrankThomas]

In construction we say everyones a safety. samething applies in BJJ. If you feel unsafe or something is going to injury you.......tap.

[@RyanLeeJJ]

Interesting scenario, interesting perspective, Chewy. OSS

[@bluedogguy]

If you don't want a hurt neck, then tap. If you want to fight it, then that's a decision. But the dude was adjusting, searching for the sub - there's no wrong in that. If you don't tap, that's out of ego.

[@mattyc7]

Ehhh. I don't fully agree with this. It's one thing in comp but with training partners in a non comp-prep roll you should buy be cranking on a sub for 4 minutes. Nobody is getting training value out of that.

[@sigilmovement]

​​@@mattyc7how are you supposed to learn the submission if you aren't in the position and trying to adjust angles and get the tap? He probably assumed the brown belt was intentionally letting him work

[@Kuduloka]

I had a similar situation a couple months ago. A blue belt training partner who is a lot taller than me, put me in a foot lock. He has a reputation for being overly aggressive, and I tapped. I had been a little lazy and felt I should amp it up a little to start matching his energy. He put in a foot lock again, and I tried harder to get out. This time he decided to go even harder and ripped on my foot before I had time to tap. I felt a few pops, and knew right away I injured something. Afterward, I talked with him, and he told me he felt he should give me a challenge because of my higher rank. Well, two months later and my foot isn't any better. Moral of the story: don't rip on submissions to be challenging; your just acting like an asshole.

[@mrtravelhub4313]

I am a fake white belt, No one wants to challenge me

[@Zhcwu]

As a higher belt there are 3 correct ways, tap to the lower belt and accept it, if you can't get out and they are cranking correct their technique so they can feel what is right and still tap, or as a higher belt you should be able to get the fuck out of the choke.

[@wendellmartin4753]

Great advice as always ❤

[@beardydave]

I had a brown belt get me in side control when i was a white belt. My arm position was off and apparently my inside elbow was putting pressure on his "crown jewels" which he complained about. I thought, "Well, you're a brown belt, so do some of that brown belt sh!t and get out of it." I'm now a blue blet and he still doesn't like me and always finds something to complain abaout when we roll. Other higher belts work their magic on me and don't have anything to complain about, but this guy...

[@thatcanadian]

Is this a repost or something? I swear I heard this exact video like 2+ years ago. I still watched til the end XD

[@Chewjitsu]

Nope. Probably similar question got answered.

[@jager8432]

As a white belt when I train/ roll with higher belts and I feel like I'm close but can't finish I've been trying to recognise it and letting go and at the end of the roll or if we have a pause after a tap I often ask for advice on what I was missing or how it felt to get their feedback on the details I was missing. It's helped me improve a lot and stops me gassing out my arms

[@Simply_chase]

This 100%

[@bmstylee]

I feel like I have heard Chewy tell the slamming story. I've been on the mat for about 3 years and I still worry about being over zealous with any submission. Especially with newer people. With 3 years I still don't know what I don't know so being a guy with significantly less time they really don't know what they don't know. I'm really worried about hurting someone because we all have to go to work tomorrow so be nice to your sparring partners. Especially as a guy who is 6'2" 235lbs and pretty darn strong it's really easy to hurt someone from just strength and weight.

[@maxs9272]

Sorry but if you are several belts higher and can't escape a crappy guillotine for 5 minutes you should really focus on learning better guillotine defense instead of being pissed of. I get that it is annoying, but it is your job in JJ to be able to escape bad positions, especially if you are significanfly more experienced then the other guy.

[@efraindominguez1504]

lol it isn’t anyone’s job unless you’re a professional & you’re making money bro … not everyone wants to fight off a crank a crappy guillotine just means it won’t tap you out super quick get a guy strong enough he can crank & hold that guillotine for the whole round now Ofcourse there’s ego both ways all he had to do was tap

[@maxs9272]

@@efraindominguez1504 when you are a brown belt it kinda is your job to know basic escapes in my opinion but I get your argument. I just think that even with a size difference you should atleast know how to create a scramble in 5 minutes.

[@brandongamble8311]

Great advice. I always count to ten, then reset after that time to another technique or reset altogether.

[@deethomasblack6487]

It is not wise to put blame on the Blue belt in this situation. The blue belt has less experience; he does not know if he is cranking or close to a choke. The more experienced black belt should have tapped. Ego and pride got in the way of the black belt tapping. My advice to the Blackbelt is to tap as it will prevent injuries. My advice to the blue belt is to avoid sparring that particular black belt as he prefers to potentially get injured instead of tapping because of pride.

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

1) I allow slams on blue belts and above at my school. If you don't you are doing your ppl a huge disservice. Because thats exactly what any untrained person is going to do in a real situation. As a blue belt or above if you get slammed its on you. Every day we focus on "Fighting Jiu-Jitsu" its simply called Jiu-Jitsu. 2) The brown belt let his pride get the best of him. This coming from someone who is getting ready for neck surgery because of a blown C-6 and C-7.

[@Ponytown00]

If I get a higher belt in a choke like that, especially if he's smaller than me I wouldn't crank hard on it. I also tap super quickly to everything while rolling. Tbh if they don't tap I'd probably just let it go. It ain't a fight, or a competition. Or like you said, ask for feedback!

[@frankpork7665]

In my third week of training I caught an ankle hook without knowing what I was doing. Just saw a foot and thought, “Well, I know it’s not supposed to turn this way! Let’s try that.” My blue belt partner immediately verbal tapped and coach told me to avoid submissions that use a foot as a lever against a knee for now. Nobody got hurt, no feelings got hurt, and I understand now why what I did was so dangerous. That blue belt is my go-to training partner now, and he’s hugely accelerated my progress by talking through things with me mid-roll when I ask. I think Coach set the example for us to have a dynamic where we can pause at any point and ask questions. It’s really cool to get that kind of partnership at such an early stage of my training.

[@preachclips8906]

My opinion on the slam thing: If you're in a position to get slammed, let go and make sure you're safe.

[@Azurelightning05]

I agree wholeheartedly with both ends, however, it is incumbent upon the upper belt to exercise right judgment and wisdom and just tap. I'm not going to sustain a critical injury to some overzealous blue belt

[@WhiteApeMA]

Yeah see, because I'm initially on the blue belt's side here. No good reason for the brown not to simply give the blue the tip he needs or, either just get out, or tap, and continue the roll then give him said tip afterwards. The four minute neck crank is more on him, from what it sounds like. I have a feeling it was a matter of maybe the blue just pulling upward on it without the cradle-the-baby kinda motion or something simple like that. Would have been an easy fix. Sorry it happened anyway, for both.

[@flyoverbassin8959]

How do you tell someone that a submission was applied incorrectly despite tapping to pain?

[@davidd6334]

Especially as a lower belt… who am I to know if it’s not right? I’m just learning. Complicating factor is that a guillotine is so close to being a neck crank anyways. Hard to get one that’s perfectly chin down with no horizontal twist.

[@GaryLiseo]

If a submission needs to be forced, something (probably) isn't right I love the point on considering what these moves may do to our training partners. Most of us have work the next day, none of us want to go to work broken/hurt

[@k4milek82]

Tapping quickly to the neck cranks is the best tip that I should get when I started couple of years ago when I was 36.

[@Shane.Dennnis]

I brought a buddy into my gym to start training a few years back. He just got done with wrestling season so was in extremely good shape. He would go fast pace, non stop and no one wanted to roll with him. He ended up hurting a brown belt who is a state police officer. And that really pissed off my coach. He wasn’t invited back anymore. He had a hard time dialing it back and learning, he just wanted to roll over everyone. It takes a certain kind of person to be a student of something

[@darwinvin1]

Great advice!

[@mitchconner6831]

I’ve only been doing jiu jitsu for a couple years now. Most of the injuries I’ve seen are from people not tapping when they should (Ive been guilty of this too) my coach had me in shoulder crunch that was pretty uncomfortable. Foolishly I fought my way out of it instead of tapping. My Shoulder hurt for a week after that. Moral of the story don’t let your ego get you hurt.

[@bluechili7036]

Yup totally. They worked really hard for that belt and you should respect that and let them win.

[@trizzo343]

Neck cranks are something that you just gotta deal with. As a whitebelt I often ask my partners if a choke i did on them actually choked them or was i just cranking their neck. Same if i get neck cranked i usually let them know that what they did was more of a crank than a choke and in a competition they might not get a tap.

[@Chris-o7y1j]

Maybe not such a good mentor…….

[@TheKevinClarkson]

A lot of times those brown belts are the first ones to do some sloppy submissions.

[@kintsugibjjproject3623]

Martial arts doesn’t change your character, it reveals your true nature. IMO If you’re a d’bag before joining BJJ and then as a beginner, you’ll be a d’bag when you’re a black belt. I enjoy your content Chewy. Keep up the great job!

[@danielcho3270]

I understand your logic but, IMO, for the long term practitioner I believe BJJ (or any legit martial art) helps people evolve. Helps build character. Helps us learn to check our ego and hopefully makes us better people at the end.

[@Christopher_Boyd]

Should have given a pointer on how to adjust and let the guy make the adjustment then tap and reset.

[@Jgpaintco]

And even at blue belt why are you holding onto something you have no hope to finish .. just to stall the entire round. Calling bs or major exaggeration on this story

[@tigercrush2253]

Just gonna pile on and say: Brown belt should have tapped. Get your ego out of it and use the safety protocols that are in place to protect yourself from undue damage. If you're so terrified that someone will think they got one over on you and you need to post-tap let them know they didn't really have it, fine, I guess. But don't just sit and eat damage and then be upset that a blue belt held a guillotine they thought they had. (Also how's your guillotine escape?)

[@bryancjacobs]

BJJ is humbling. Tap.

[@richie1713]

Great video sir, thank you. Baby white belt here so anything I can gather on how best to approach this journey and the people I’m on it with would be of great value.

[@Chewjitsu]

Happy to help bro.

[@youmang]

Some d bag from GB IN UK somewhere was going off on me for saying you should tap instead of risking injury. Albeit it was an Internet argument but I couldn’t help but feel it’s a gym culture issue. It was a B team video and someone had a darce and got put to sleep. His position was “it’s weak and you’re no good if you tap” but he’d never tell me how many world championships he’s won. Tozias or something, I’ll have to look

[@chillie000]

Probably doesn’t even do bjj.

[@bunklypeppz]

If you ask me, cranking on someone's neck for several minutes is absolutely crazy. People really need to be education about the potential causes for chronic neck/spine issues if they are going to be training in something like BJJ or wrestling. That kinda stuff ruins peoples' lives after a few years of training with bad training partners; if you like being able to do physical activities like grappling, martial arts, sports etc., you should really take that kind of thing seriously and really try to avoid causing those kinds of issues to the people you train with. People act like it's not a big deal and just part of training, but you can EASILY avoid over 90% of the stuff that causes those issues just by being considerate in training, and you won't think it's not a big deal once you start losing function in your peripheral nervous system and can't do any of the activities you used to love all because some morons took no issue with trying to crunch on the vertebrae in your neck for a chance at "winning" a friendly roll. About a third of the people I've known who have done BJJ for a decade or more eventually had to quit because of those kinds of chronic injuries and can't really do any kind of contact sport/activity because of those problems.

[@sigilmovement]

Then tap?

[@ripstott]

I'm 4 months into BJJ and I've been asking for feedback on some of my moves and techniques from rolling partners from the start. That has by far been my best source of learning, even more so than drilling or youtube.

[@jakerowsell8752]

Feels like both the brown belt could have tapped and the blue belt could have let go. It clearly wasn't working..

[@graciescottsdale]

Exactly.

[@SerafRhayn]

That’s what I was thinking! He held a guillotine for 4 MINUTES!? Let it go! I’m sure my arms would be shot after that

[@hockysa]

Brown belt should have just tapped. I get cranked by white belts some of them pretty beefy. I just tap.

[@dalec4864]

Personally I think it depends on how the people with a higher rank than you are treating you. I’m a white belt, some of the blue belts at my gym will make it as painful and uncomfortable as humanly possible to roll with them, cross facing as hard as they can, neck cranking, smothering my mouth and nose with the gi. When I go with those guys, I’m gonna match that energy and as someone with previous wrestling experience, I can play those games too. The only guys I will do that with are the ones who like to make me suffer when I roll with them. If your technique is good, you can show lower belts that you’re better than them without doing that stuff and if you are doing that stuff, you have no room to complain when it comes back your way.

[@j.b.708]

if you don't have the submission, cranking harder won't make it better. what could you do to make this situation better? don't muscle garbage.

[@bernardohernandez5418]

I have no belt and I only go to the open mats on Saturdays (I'm cheap). I've been rolling with blues and purples the whole time and I tap to everything that gives me pain. Then I ask them what they did and what I could've done to avoid a tap. I've gotten a few subs on these guys as well and they give me feedback. That brown belt either has too big of ego to tap or expects too much from a blue belt. We should all be eager to teach and learn.

[@ifassnacht]

Rickson calls it INVISIBLE jiu jitsu! you have to feel it, you can't see it.

[@bryanjohnson8162]

Great video!!!

[@yew2oob954]

I'm a purple belt and I tried a wrist lock on a black belt...he's from Brazil....he did not react in a happy fashion. 😂

[@clmblilpimp247]

I wouldnt crack something for 4 minutes. I’m not trying to finish a shit submission and waste training time. Just transition to the next move.

[@DrHarbirSingh]

If I have a choke in and they don’t tap, I let it go, there’s no point in hurting my training partner

[@BarkusMuhl]

I get the brown belt not tapping and being pissed. Tapping to a sloppy sub that is only cranking the neck rewards the behaviour and it makes it more likely to happen again in the future. I personally would rather not have my neck cranked on a regular basis.

[@sigilmovement]

So tap and then talk about it?

[@BarkusMuhl]

@@sigilmovement Then you're that guy that taps and explains why the tap doesn't really count.

[@chillie000]

@@BarkusMuhldid you watch the advice from the video?

[@BarkusMuhl]

@chillie000 Yes. What part in the video was this issue of post tap excuses addressed?

[@chillie000]

@@BarkusMuhl he said you tap then educate, it’s not about “rewarding”. Obviously if you have any brains, you also tap to spare your body.

[@SpidermAntifa]

Martial arts is about consent. Tapping out is the removal of that consent, that's why continuing after someone taps is assault. On the other side of that, NOT tapping means you consent to what's happening to you.

[@HittokiriBatosai]

Imagine having your head trapped for 4 minutes instead of simply tapping. Obnoxious.

[@pavelryabchuk4876]

When you tap to a sloppy submission/crank you encourage your opponent to use it again, because “it works!”

[@Jgpaintco]

I’m having trouble with this story. How does someone hold a guillotine for 4 minutes. It takes a lot of energy to hold it for even a full minute, and when it his arms get tired and he loosens up , I can’t imagine not being able to slip out. Between fighting hands and forcing my head out I just don’t see it.

[@ryansmith9138]

I see what you did... It's the advanced version of talking someone through the tap lol. Invite them to talk you through the tap.

[@rickt9569]

Youd also think with the other guy being a brown belt he would know that neck cranks are legit...he was just pissed he got caught and didn't want to tap 🤷‍♂️

[@thesharkh2o]

brown belts fault. Just tap bro.

[@xxdontpanicxx2056]

Chewjitsu do you think I should leave the gym because the lowest belt is a brown belt besides me and all they do is sit on the ground and spider and Lasso guard me

[@1622WarHammer]

How would you deal with a coach that dislikes a student?

[@theadamp23]

4 strip purple belt, I'd tap and cry to myself on the the way home or fight it and deal with the consequences. No point in getting mad at the guy

[@kevthesage5747]

I’m a purple belt and this just seems so odd. 1. Forsure ego if you’re not willing to take the pain from the neck crank just tap. 2. A brown belt rolling with a blue belt and being stuck in a guillotine for 4-5min??? I don’t see a scenario where that would even happen just cause of the skill gap….

[@Simply_chase]

Uhh got to give up sometimes on a bad submission. Like it's not really working, so just let it ride and catch the next one

[@saintbenitz6291]

Bro, neck or foot locks, if they do not work, stop and reset. You cannot keep cranking at it.

[@patriot7681]

Great info

[@Durrrville]

I just think it would be common sense people don’t want you to crank of their necks for 4 minutes.. if the choke isn’t there in 10-15 seconds transition off to something else, then at the end of the round ask how you could have finished it. Sometimes people are strong and they squeeze for their life so getting out can be difficult but they’re not improving playing that way and being a shitty training partner as well

[@kingcthulhu1716]

Chewy how do you handle a drunk gym owner who trash talks the competing gyms? Seems like he handles it himself but what would you do?

[@Slade3465]

That's a lot of red flags in one question. You might want to consider a different gym.

[@kingcthulhu1716]

@@Slade3465 that's not my gym, but you don't even know the half of it. Could a flag get any more red?

[@Slade3465]

@@kingcthulhu1716 Just to clarify, it's a gym owner across town that is the drunk guy trash talking about your respectable gym? I'd say take the high road and be the respectable gym compared to the trashy one across town. When questioned say something like "I don't have anything nice to say about that gym owner." and then just let it be unsaid. The other guy is a drunk idiot only making a fool out of himself so let him. He has no control and that will bite him in the long run sooner or later.

[@kingcthulhu1716]

@@Slade3465 that's exactly what I have been doing, thanks for the advice and it really has worked out that way. Edit: yes you have gotten all of that correct. Without getting into detail you have all of that correct.

[@CoachKevanKillsit]

As an alcoholic in recovery I would suggest finding another gym if possible if your owner is a drunk. You can somewhat maintain a “normal” lifestyle as an alcoholic but it’s toxic and not sustainable. Maybe try to talk the guy into rehab?

[@veteransowhat5669]

What should I do if the lady that doesn't want to do jiujitsu doesn't want me doing jiujitsu.....? And doesnt every practice jiujitsu says "We don't want you doing all that?"

[@paul8972]

I would explain yourself better

[@martialartsvocationalschoo3319]

I'm 49. I tap to sooooo many things now that are "nothing" to most of you. Trick still is and ways will be to not end up in cranks, foot locks, etc.

[@tededo]

4-5 min with a guillotine in progress. THAT is just really bad jiujitsu. Like a bjj instructor once yelled at his whole class: if its too long, switch to something else, your submission isnt there. Any decent grapplng student must learn to transition/switch from one sub attempt to another sub attempt, to another one, and another one. Not all submission has to be a sub, you can use this submission as a controling move, for God's sake. More, use it as a sweep move, yes: a guillotine can be used to sweep the guy you hold. More, guilltotine attempt, back take, more, more, and there is more, the beauty of jujitsu.

[@deenofmean8784]

Something that can happen is putting some1 to sleep and u thinking it's not working. It happened with a Von flue choke and arm triangle.... I applied pressure for 5 to 10 seconds max.... and then go to move as I think it might not be working meanwhile my partner went to sleep. I can only imagine if some1 had got it and just kept squeezing for 4min

[@KazzArie]

Blue belt me: hey, brown belt, is this how to reap and heel hook in the gi? 🤪 (do not recommend)

[@rafdeleon]

Good stuff

[@Ronen_Sinukov]

i cought my coach in some wierd inverted triangle which was not so tight and really wierd and i just asked him mid roll " hey is it choking or am i just carnking your neck? " he said you are just cranking and i let go of the sqeeze and continued to roll

[@RollingWithRoland]

Nice

[@jameswilsonmusic7749]

Should have tapped, simple. Bad shoulder? Put in kimura? Tap Bad elbow? Put in arm bar? Tap at spider web. Guillotine isnt on? Hurting your neck tho? Thats on you dude.. tap. Your comment about 'talking to them'.. ive had higher belts crank shit on me that wasnt there. So why should they get a pass? I agree with working through moves. But how many times can you honestly say that happens?

[@philiptraube5165]

EXACTLY You won’t eat that damage so why is a brown belt? Especially if the blue belt is working on a new sub… totally disagree

[@MrTresto]

probably ego? the brown could've just said ok stop you're not submitting me you're just hurting me - and avoid this crap...

[@CBKDaHottest]

If u put them to sleep it’s not a crank so if ya technique is that good night night it is some people like to fight out to learn

[@jedsanford5065]

bro held a shitty guillotine for 4 minutes??? Brown belt obviously should have just coached him through the sub lmao

[@mech12341]

Lose the pride, and tap. Many chokes are more throat crushes than blood chokes, anyway.

[@alfredovillasenorsoto3667]

I am a purple belt and i passed a black belts guard. It was a huge win for me the he procced to destroy me.

[@Matt-tl4fp]

i mean i went to my first bjj class ever yesterday and i was rolling with a guy that was obviously experienced and dude crushed my throat with a rear naked. I tapped immediately and it still messed me up. I understand getting the submission if your in a competition, but to do it to someone during their free trial class is kinda fucked up lol. moral of the story... My Gi will be delivered tomorrow ctfu hopefully early enough to attend class tomorrow lol

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

Last Saturday i became blue belt :0

[@poddubotsky1]

no joy anymore for you

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

@@poddubotsky1 :D

[@monkoko6441]

Congratulations

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

@@monkoko6441 Thank u~

[@monkoko6441]

@@Doceli-dg3cn how long ago did you start?

[@ThaLifeOfAGoat]

Or maybe he should have tapped and then explained to him he didn’t have it just didn’t want him to crank on his neck. Simple. Don’t cry afterwards when your ego if the real cause of your neck being cranked.

[@PaVVroo]

Disagree with you completely - there is absolutely no comparison between slamming and sloppy choke.

[@BenNuProductions]

Brown belt should have tapped and not got emotional. White belt behavior.

[@ryanrpggamer3902]

I love rolling I tap every time my training is different from tournament I play and work moves and positions when training

[@eriktaylor1225]

Was he mad he got tapped? Or mad that a lower belt tapped him? I ask this as a 9 year practitioner with a brown belt myself. If it’s the second one, sounds like his ego got in the way.

[@willdallas53]

He never tapped so I don’t think either one of those were the issue

[@AP-qs2zf]

@@willdallas53 That was his issue

[@kingassassin7953]

I thought neck cranks were illegal

[@Brandon-ob9rg]

Both are at fault. Blue belt shouldn't be cranking shit. Brown belt should let his ego go and tap to cranks.

[@paul8972]

There are 2 issues. Brown belt has a big ego staying in that crank for minutes, either escape or look after your neck. The blue belt by that stage shouldn't be holding on for 4 minutes with. At blue you should know to transition to someone else eg 100 sweep. 2 big egos there. Why didnt the brown tap and say it wasn't a choke it was pain fair play lets go again. Same for the blue hanging on for 4 minutes. They deserve each other 😂