Disgaea 5 Mystery Rooms

[@TheElfolampo]

Very good video as usual. A few notes from personal experience: -Innocents subdued during the trip will also be subdued in the dupes made, specifically. That the item is mostly the same, as stated in the video, is correct. -Non-Carnage legendary weapon mystery room doesn't care for who the controlled character is, I just verified this (couldn't verify if it has to be the right weapon mastery because, by chance, I had a character with exactly the mastery for the right weapon). This room does not appear unless the item you're in is a weapon. -Hot Springs mystery room rarely has the effect of increasing the bonus gauge of next battle to 9. It seems to happen when busty women are bathing. -You won't be able to get back up to the treasures if you fall in the treasure mystery room, unless you have triple jump and/or super jump, so be careful in that case. They're both easy to have though, so consider getting them if you're serious about running item world (you want them for the dupe room anyway) -Mr. Egg has priority over invaders. This was tested by having Cheat Shop mystery room force spawn invaders (which, normally, forces invaders once on the next floor, personally I prefer the more enemies option because it lasts up to 10 floors, instead) while Mr. Egg's MR's effect was active. They spawned on the first floor after its effect ended. It's likely it also takes precedence when force-spawned by incubator. He often spawns Proto Darkdeath, so this might be beneficial too, just consider your options and convenience. -Experience/mana potions seller can be used earlygame to get high ranking items (the potions) to jump a lot of ranks in item world. This won't work in carnage (you can easily get high rank carnage items easily enough with other methods, however). -You can use curry shop to the same effect, AND it works also in carnage. Please note that unlike most items, the list of curries spans both carnage and non-carnage items, and each curry type only appears as carnage or not. For example seafood curry is always non-carnage, special curry is always carnage. Carnage curries will not appear in the mystery room if it's not the carnage version of the room, but non-carnage ones can appear in the carnage shop. -The pie from the mystery room will be carnage or not depending on where you are. Also, if you want another, you can steal it from the fight mistress once the fight starts. -While dispatch is 1 in the born fighter mystery room, you can still use Zetta's overload to get +5 dispatch there (and +10 if you use Petta to use it again), if you don't want to take any chances.

[@Oliver-fl4es]

Good video as usual.

[@zelow79]

Sweet, I didn't know you could fight the curry shop.

[@blueeyesmew]

I'm glad this vid has been of use.

[@henryduong4728]

thanks

[@blueeyesmew]

I hope it was helpful.

[@AzureReborn]

I’d like to apologize, I haven’t watched all of your videos, but how did you get the stats so high on the item?

[@blueeyesmew]

Maxing item stats comes down to the following (TLDR version: repeatedly kill everything in sight in the Item World on 20*, especially item bosses): Item level: By default caps at 500, but this can be increased to 9,999 by repeatedly passing a late post-game item assembly bill. Destroy level spheres, lift level fish, and get item levels from the bonus list. Kill bonus: By default caps at 400, but passing the above bills also gradually increases the cap to 550 (but kill bonus past the first 400 is MUCH slower to gain). Kill enemies on a high enemy strength setting - killing an enemy on 20* is worth 21x as much as killing an enemy on 0*. 400 kill bonus takes 80,000 kills (3,810 on 20*), 550 kill bonus takes 3,080,000 kills (146,667 on 20*) i.e. 38.5x as many. Item base stats: Can't be seen directly but if the game won't let try to pass a bill for a stat then this is maxed for that stat. The starting values for these are why something like a Carnage Hercules' Armor has high stats in everything whereas a Carnage Barefoot X just starts with a load of SPD. Mainly increased by gaining training bonus (by killing Item Generals/Kings/Gods, Proto Darkdeath, mystery rooms, and invaders). Single-stat innocents also apply a flat bonus each time training bonus is gained (dependent on innocent level, so ideally use 50k innocents). Stat bills also give training bonus and a flat bonus to the respective stat, though you usually don't need to worry about stat bills other than for axes (negative stats complicate matters). Rarity: Caps at 100 (epic). Increases with training bonus, this will cap before base stats do even for easy-to-max items, so don't worry about this. A soft-capped (max base stats, 100 rarity, level 500, 400 kill bonus) item has ~400m HP and ~2m non-HP. A hard-capped (max base stats, 100 rarity, level 9999, 550 kill bonus) item has 500m HP and 2.5m non-HP.

[@AzureReborn]

@@blueeyesmew thank you so much, I wish I knew this before maxing out my traps, at least they weren’t LOC traps

[@blueeyesmew]

@@AzureReborn For something fast to max the updated recommendation is Carnage Hercules' Armor (stolen from the Item God 2 of a Carnage Aegis Shield). It has high overall stats too, but crucially has more starting HP than a Carnage Trapezohedron (the slowest stat to max on it) while having high enough stats elsewhere that the worst still max slightly faster than Carnage Trapezohedron's HP. It also starts with 2 movement instead of 1 (so reaches 5 with bills instead of 4) making it a better item overall, and the perquisite R39 is typically easier to find (Aegis Shield is just generic armour so is relatively common).

[@Badazztard]

Thank you for covering how the carnage legendary weapon works. I was about to lose my mind trying to get the fist because I encountered it 5 times and got rejected every time. Now I realize that I couldn't get it because I don't have the rank 40 fist. I was starting to think that maybe it was up to chance, similar to how the Item God worked.

[@blueeyesmew]

That room has been a pain for people to find the exact requirements for, especially as they're different between Carnage and non-Carnage. After this vid was made it was found that for the Carnage version you only need to have owned another Carnage R40 weapon of the same type (there's no mastery requirement for it). The non-Carnage requirement is 40 mastery, as previously thought.

[@Morphineck]

Thank you for another great informative video. How the hell did you get the Item god mistery room at the first try without even entering trough the gate? Was that due to the magic of video editing or there's something you are not telling us? Also the "the higher the room count, the higher the chances to dupe it" is not entirely true by my experience. I have been on items on the 60th floor and get dupes consistently, on other items I've been on floor 5000+ and got consistently denied.

[@blueeyesmew]

The same way I manage to go straight from mystery room to mystery room while also somehow only getting repeats when I want to show something else about that room (and also the same way my floor count jumps around oddly between rooms). It's as you guessed, editing. Unless you're at 10k floors it's still luck whether the item is duped, it's just more likely at higher floor counts. You can still get (un)lucky streaks.

[@Morphineck]

@@blueeyesmew Got it, thanks for your reply. Those are serious editing skills dood, well done.

[@blueeyesmew]

@@Morphineck Thank you. I don't think I did that well though, for example the brief bit of lingering stage clear fanfare that can be heard at several points (such as in the transition into the Hot Springs mystery room).

[@itzsnorelax7746]

So why is it that you put Christo down in every fight?

[@blueeyesmew]

His unique evilities: Tactician grants 100% accuracy to adjacent allies, which also prevents nicks (a sort of anti-critical that reduces damage and cancels out your criticals even with 100% crit rate). Superlative Ally adds 20% of Christo's INT to the attacking stat(s) of adjacent allies during damage calcs.

[@LiqnLag]

Think I'm the only person never to use a sage for land decimater and two I do have are glorified buff bots. Then again, the PC version gives you all manner of tools to skip all that nonsense.

[@blueeyesmew]

I generally don't suggest Land Decimator anyway. I just have a Sage built from before the Usalia + Killia method was thought up.

[@LiqnLag]

@@blueeyesmew The issue with Supreme Curry spam is that the amount of hand wrangling it takes is carpel inducing if used in item world. The Never Give up idea Elfolampo came up with works with combo attacks like Prams super flexible Glass illusion union with Zetta equates into maxing classes on 8x generics/monster uniques like Usalia Metallia a breeze with 20 star MT4. All told, a 5x comet team is easy to set up (with Pram Spam) which is much easier to pass through item world with.

[@blueeyesmew]

@@LiqnLag Yeah, Comet Disaster is definitely my preferred method.

[@SilentVinyl]

Is the zombie a hint to Disgaea 6?

[@blueeyesmew]

I suppose it's not impossible it could be?

[@tomtravis858]

Man I want to get into this game, I burn myself out like an idiot tho, 8+ hours a day

[@tomtravis858]

@@blueeyesmew I just want the big numbers ):

[@tomtravis858]

@@blueeyesmew also does the dupe copy the floor the item was on?

[@blueeyesmew]

@@tomtravis858 It copies the floor the item was on when you started the current Item World trip, e.g. if you enter on floor 1000 and find the dupe room after clearing floor 1005 the dupe will be on floor 1000.

[@tomtravis858]

@@blueeyesmew alright, you said the dupe would be similar, how would it not be the same?

[@blueeyesmew]

@@tomtravis858 Nearly everything about the dupe will be the same as the item was when you entered. The only exception I can remember is that any innocents subdued on that trip are subdued on the dupe too.

[@tomtravis858]

7:28 cheeto

[@chehazaren719]

why i cannot jump straight to item god like this vid i had super jump too..i equip it to killia??

[@blueeyesmew]

Make sure the Life Support Unit is maxed and has someone in it so you can triple jump. Make sure you're controlling the unit with Super Jump equipped. Being level 9999 might also matter.

[@chehazaren719]

@@blueeyesmew *update... my Life Support already max still cannot jump like you..BUT i can jump higher now after i beat carnage void cuz that release cap limit of item..so that why..

[@blueeyesmew]

@@chehazaren719 Increasing the level cap of the item shouldn't affect jump height in mystery rooms, but if you're somehow able to jump higher now then great.

[@courierz9451]

For that bank mystery room, what evilities and innocents do you have on that sage?

[@blueeyesmew]

Mass Blaster (own unique) Twin Heads (U) Bullying (U) Elemental Force (U) Purgatory (4) + Kamikaze (4) + Critical Point (2) Desperation (4) + Mana Scarcity (4) + Unstable Power (1) + Eclipse Power (1) In Foot Soldier Squad Comet Disaster Overload Curry with Sunshine Rod main ingredient (+50% star res) and Thimble x100 in other (100% crit) All Digger + Mentor + Instructor + Statistician + Broker + Professional Ambusher + Manager x7 Watersport Athlete + Pastor + Expander + Toxicologist + Psychologist + Medicine Man + Coffee Maker + Pharmacist Watermelon Smasher + Markman Coach + Lumberjack Coach + Staff Twirler + Monster Trainer + Firefighter + Cryophile + Aeronaut Overclocker + Boxing Coach + Spear Teacher + Archer Coach + Fencing Coach This could actually be improved (e.g. Gender Bender to benefit from Bodyguards).

[@courierz9451]

@@blueeyesmew why so many managers? Isn't it hard capped at 300?

[@courierz9451]

@@blueeyesmew also was any of the supporting characters buffing with evilities in anyway besides their personal ones?

[@blueeyesmew]

@@courierz9451 For some reason Managers individually cap at 300 but have an overall cap of 1900 (which is probably a bug). They're the only non-stat boosting innocent like that. Christo's Superlative Ally unique evility lent 20% of his INT towards the Sage's attacking stat (INT) during damage calcs (this ignores the stat cap). Mao's Live Experiment unique evility gave +20% DMG. Christo, the Support Sage, and the Maid had Angel Song (though the Maid wasn't adjacent to the attacking Sage), Evil Eye, and Cursed Dance. Mao had Angel Song, Evil Eye, and Medical Insertion.

[@courierz9451]

@@blueeyesmew oh okay. Do you happen to know if braggart could be of big help? It basically says it gives +50% ATK in what seems like all situations (char world, expeditions, and battle) but only hosting 1 slot makes me wonder if I'm misunderstanding its use