BMS F-16 vs DCS F-16 - Personal Start-Up Procedures

I have been flying a lot of DCS World 3.7 and Falcon BMS 4.35, and they are amazing in their own ways. But Couldn't help but notice my very different start-up procedures on the same airframe, the F-16 Fighting Falcon or Viper, as you wish to call it, in each simulator. Wanted to share with you guys my different procedures and would like to hear your thoughts on it. Hope you enjoy.
00:00 Intro
02:56 DCS Start-Up
07:20 BMS Start-Up
27:24 Final Thoughts
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[@XCHECK]

Sorry for the ugly graphics in DCS, I was playing the "Liberation" mod in VR and it was kicking my PCs butt, so I ditched a bit of eye candy, forgot to pump the graphics back for this video as I was focused on the start-up procedures

[@carr2004trip1]

BMS Falcon is the definitive study sim. Probably the greatest flight simulator, combat simulator and weapons delivery simulator of all time. Join an online squadron and this is as real as it gets.

[@captaincurd2681]

Flown it thousands of hours. It is indeed the best.

[@ProGamer-gc3wv]

And the best thing, you can use now the Tobii Eye Tracker 5, it works amazing, smooth, perfect. Now it feels like in real.

[@hphp31416]

Most differences are because many switches are already switched on in DCS

[@patriciomassun]

But there is no penalty, or almost no penalty when you screw up procedures in DCS.

[@sucbsakulmehi4261]

@@patriciomassun one of them is mistakenly use JFS 1 instead of 2,isn’t it? 😅

[@gloomofficial7736]

@@patriciomassun tbf its still in early access

[@susannedugas8219]

@@gloomofficial7736 to be fair, it always will be.

[@epicgamer42069]

90% of what he is talking about is with allot of the switches already being flipped for you during start up which is only a short part of your flight. But he does make a point with there being little to no pentatly for screwing up.

[@No1sonuk]

The faff with the JFS start makes one appreciate the A-10's APU. ;)

[@YoThePro]

Crazy how much detail goes into a free* mod for a 1998 game compared to a newer bigger title such as dcs although eventually dcs will get more features in the falcon (or viper). edit: been liking your content lately keep up the good work. (:

[@XCHECK]

Hey man, thanks for the kind words. Really appreciate it. And yeah, DCS will eventually get more features, but the boys at BMS may even catch up at this rate! They only have a single aircraft to worry about lol

[@codecodderson3607]

The f-16 isn't even close to finished so that plays into this

[@flo-craptor2911]

I love the sound track in the background, creates such a chill vibe

[@XCHECK]

That was the whole idea! Glad you felt a chill vibe c:

[@molnibalage83]

@@XCHECK Can we get the title of the music?

[@ViperPilot16]

Personally I'm always going to side with BMS/Falcon 4.0 because of its insane Dynamic Campaign. The aircraft being as detailed as it is is just a benefit.

[@Dogface1984]

Thanks! Normally I play DCS cold war but I just picked up BMS and ready to dive in

[@Norman_Peterson]

go i suqadron online and join a campagn that will keep you busy for MONTHS.

[@maurorap18]

Keep up the great work! Gracias

[@Mightymoose02]

Interesting video and gives an idea of what comes in DCS. Sorry to ask, but why does your DCS look so bad? No shadows and low settings?

[@jihuneyphil2146]

The BMS is a real combat flight simulator and The DCS is a cockpit simulator with good graphic.

[@man_vs_life]

Very interesting vid.

[@albertpietrosanu2667]

It's a shame that they're so proud of their accuracy in simulations and couldn't even match a free game in accuracy. BMS remains the king.

[@mcdonnelldouglasf-4ephanto607]

Bruh this was 2 years ago and it was just released as a WIP. You don't think they magically make a realistic aircraft in a few months? Falcon BMS developers are working on for years and still couldn't add a realistic flight physic and graphics

[@xenimaging]

Wow, I fly DCS but this really shows how far DCS has to go with the f16

[@XCHECK]

Yup, its gonna be a while until that F-16 is where we want it to be, but it'll get there eventually!

[@MultiJp51]

honnestly, not really :)..it's just scratching the surface

[@savaqe296]

i bought bms today, and i could already feel how different it operated compared to dcs. it feels like a... well, viper! I also feel as if the Viper in DCS has a really delayed input when moving the stick, i prefer bms's viper 100%! I will most likely only play bms when i want to fly the viper xD

[@aotearoaactual2027]

The difference is the price DCS F16 is 5 times the price of Falcon 4.0 with BMS.

[@pogo1140]

Question going around about the DCS F-16's turn rate and acceleration under g's. Wag's and co say the performance is spot on, real F-16 drivers say it's too sluggish in the turn, bleeds too much energy and does not accelerate under g the way the real F-16 does.

[@aaronwhite1786]

People need to keep in mind it's not "Wag's and Co". They are asking their own F-16 pilots and SME's. There's bound to be conflicting views, but it's not like it's only actual pilots vs non-pilots.

[@K1Vernon]

The F16 flight performance is much more true to life in Falcon than DCS, I'm thinking it has something to do with how DCS engine manages the flight model. There has been way more F16 pilots giving input into BMS than DCS over the years. Wags and Co are wrong though they should take the criticism and fix it instead of always defending, the A10 had a long standing flight performance issue as well it took years for ED to mostly fix it.

[@EbonySeraphim]

This has been fixed as of about 2 months ago in DCS. It’s performance has been substantially improved in various flight conditions.

[@dyzio2206]

idk about dcs but bms has the flight model data//performance from nasa's testing with the f-16 airframe and i have a lot of f-16 drivers confirming that it is very accurate(both reguarding to lockheed training sims and actual aircraft performance)

[@uriba107]

FLCS Bit is mandatory in BMS. if you fail to perform it you might develop inflight failure. (it can actually also fail on the BIT, then you need to follow the checklist, which pretty much tells you to run it again).

[@XCHECK]

Thanks for the comment! Has that been implemented in update .1? Because on the BMS 4.35 -1 manual, change 3.00, page 174 it reads: "Both the FLCS bit & DBU are eye candy in BMS and have no consequences if you skip them."

[@uriba107]

@@XCHECK interesting.. might have been changed. because in 4.34 it was defined that if you do not run the FLCS bit you have a certain percentage for FLCS fault in-flight. 4.34 also introduced fuel totalizer inaccuracy with increasing chance of engine flame-out below 400lbs. it's those small details that makes DCS feel so bland compared the BMS. However, As I've said many many times in the past 3 years, no VR, no fly. so my BMS is a little rusty.

[@XCHECK]

@@uriba107 Huh, that is very interesting, will jave to dig a bit deeper because I find it so odd that they would downgrade that simulation. And yeah! I feel you, always xome back to DCS for VR! But then I get burnt by the poor performance when doing a dynamic campaign with the liberation mod that I have to jump into BMS for a bit of dynamic fun.

[@uriba107]

@@XCHECK OK, I've double checked with the team, I remembered it wrong :) There was an internal suggestion to implement the FLCS bit for 4.34, that suggestion was supported by the "powers". But no-one had implemented it :-) so it is currently indeed cosmetic as stated. Sorry for the misinformation :) that's BMS for you :)

[@XCHECK]

@@uriba107 Ah! No worries man! I have seen a great deal of people doing the same claim recently (FLCS Bit not being eye candy), so it seems this misconceptions has spread widely in the community. Hopefully it will be implemented in the next version and it will not be misinformation any longer :P

[@peterluxus7382]

Make a comparison between BMS Campaign and DCS Liberation ;)

[@F16pilotHydra]

11:30 its an arm holder :D You dont wanna keep your arm against gravity whole time,do you ?

[@XCHECK]

Lol 😂

[@felcas]

I guess he know that very well 😆

[@crochou8173]

We get to play SAO by DCS 3.7 times?

[@atomgaming1413]

nice video >>>> how can I download Falcon BMS ? i cant find it on steam

[@XCHECK]

I am working on a video explaining all you need to know to be up and running on Falcon BMS c:

[@chazflyz]

Entertaining video. Always a touchy subject in the flight gam- I mean SIM community. 😀 Like you said DCS F-16 is no where near complete, yet, as BMS. It's apples to oranges. But it will get there.

[@XCHECK]

Glad you enjoyed Chazflyz! As you say.. Apples and Oranges.. And sometimes I feel like eating Oranges, sometimes I feel like eating Apples! :D

[@deseanthomas8982]

I. Don't. Think dcs. Will never get to bms level I believe that. Bms will match dcs before the other way around

[@simba9ix]

are u still using the hp reverb g2

[@simba9ix]

and does it still work good

[@XCHECK]

Yeah! Still on it! Actually will be making a video soon on an update on my experience with it!

[@JohnVanderbeck]

BMS doesn't support VR does it?

[@b0bl00i]

Probe heat and IFF?

[@deseanthomas8982]

Forgive me I'm not sure what you asking I know. Bms just added off system and I hear it's a good system probe heat. Heats up probes on outside of jet that gives your jet information altitude speed etc. Don't know if it's operated in sim. Iff identify friend or foe. Tells you who friendly who is not.

[@Ed-ty1kr]

FOLLOW THE CHECKLIST ON YOUR LEFT KNEEPAD!!! You are doing waaay too much before you hit the JFS. Why? Follow the kneepad, stick to procedure. First thing is before you start set up and download the DTC settings, obviously. Once in pit. Verify Check list: open knee pad book. 1. (Verify) Fuel master - on guard down. 700 - 1700 PPH 2. OIL press. -> MIN 15 psi 3. NOZ POS. -> 94% or more 4. RPM. -> 62% - 80% 5. FTIT. -> Anywhere below 650° C is good enough 6. HYDRAULIC PRESS (A & B) -> Both at 2850 - 3250 psi ( or basically the needles pointing at 12 O'clock 7. Throttle cuttoff release - try it 8. Anti Ice switch ON and you're like... 20% of the way to getting rolling.

[@KetsaKunta]

I think the main difference is that BMS really makes you feel like the aircraft you're in can break and then you just cost the taxpayers millions of dollars.

[@xXxXENcoreXxXx]

First of all I would love to see you do a strat up videos for the f18 really quick and straight to the point. Secondly wtf is BMS ?

[@SignumCruxis0]

Its a mod/addon/unofficial remaster of a very old game called Falcon 4.0.

[@deseanthomas8982]

And. You should really. Try it. It's free

[@stoobeedoo]

Given that DCS is a simulator built to fly many aircraft (even rotor-based aircraft), it makes sense that the complexity of the F-16 is not going to compare anywhere near the complexity on Falcon 4.0's mods such as BMS, given that BMS is designed entirely around the one single aircraft. Sure you can kinda cheat by trying to fly another aircraft in BMS but it is buggy and unreliable and in no where compares to the complexity between aircraft of DCS. If I wanted to fly the Viper and get down and dirty in a real live campaign with a VFW Campaign, BMS will always be unparaelled (at least for the forseeable future.) If you want an immersive simulation that has all the visual/audial aspects of flying aircraft and dogfighting, DCS is the way to go.

[@Woody-nc1ru]

What ever this is? That's your arm rest bro😁

[@Norman_Peterson]

LET'S NEVER FORGET THAT BMS IS ALSO IN DEVELOPMENT SO EVERY PATCH IS IMPROVED. NEXT PATCH it's up to the graphics . I flew for 2 years on DCS, 1 month ago I switched to FALCON. It's a WHOLE different environment and here it's REAL, and the dynamic campaigns last for months!!! Those who fly have a lot of experience, they fly, they don't stop talking and they always buy planes all the time. I'm sorry but FALCON environment IS SERIOUS and no joke is MILSIM.

[@acegh0st]

Did you set up DCS to make it look as awful as possible? The fuck is the deal with the lighting in the two sims??

[@XCHECK]

Woops, that was my bad. I was playing "Liberation" in VR, and well... Liberation was kicking my PCs butt... so I had to sacrifice a bit of eye candy lol, forgot to bring it back up for this vid.

[@acegh0st]

@@XCHECK haha, fair enough. I’m like, dudes got a 3090/10900k and I’ve got a 3080/10700k, yet my game looks like FS2020, and his looks like Battle of Britain from 1989.

[@elielmopimentel601]

Would be nice if BMS try to raise money with us fans to develop a better graphics to the Sim.

[@Norman_Peterson]

THEY ARE ALREADY DOING IT IN THE NEXT PATCH, and for free!

[@ghislainnoel6808]

4.38 will have a brand new terrain engine ;)

[@nielshoffman1]

It is comparing a very early acces DCS F16 to a 16 years of developed BMS F16, so i dont really get this.

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

Yeah i would have to agree. You can literally still go into just as much detail in DCS with all the gauges like he did and still do the cockpit sweeps. I bet a couple years from now the DCS F16 will be light years ahead of BMS.

[@EEEEEEE354]

I get it since I paid for dcs. Besides, when will ED actually finish anything

[@StoneCoolds]

@@EEEEEEE354 give them 16 years and they will finish it for sure lol 😆

[@swe-timberwolf3642]

@@EEEEEEE354 they are complex modules, it takes time. The F/A-18C is close to completion now and they have stated the the focus will shift to the F-16C after that. But if you expect it to be finished after 6 months, then perhaps early access is not for you.

[@uriba107]

@@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial well, ED folks do get paid for this. BMS people do it for fun in their spare time. currently about a third of the BMS "workforce" are doing long-term stuff, that are in the works for nearly 3 years now. It should be released at some point ("when it's ready") and will blow people's brains. some of the things they are working on had not been seen in combat sims yet. I just hope they will be able to finish things in a reasonable timeframe. (again, small, free time based, volunteer coders doing this our of the love for it) However, there is no shred of doubt that the DCS F-16, when completed in 5 years will be a good module.

[@bobbyduke777]

this is to much

[@redwatch1100]

No VR for BMS so Im out.

[@jonathanbaird8109]

I'll never understand why people care this much about it. Given that I started flying without TrackIR and an Extreme 3D pro, I just have to assume that y'all couldn't give a shit less about flying the aircraft realistically and in combat. You pretty much just want MSFS with tactical aircraft, right?

[@ger_airfighter]

@@jonathanbaird8109 dude, try VR once and you’ll never want to fly again with trackir

[@geoffreyquaile4383]

@@ger_airfighter BMS 4.37 now has VR.

[@gregkar2736]

Started BMS recently, it is SO MUCH more realistic and difficult (sometimes frustrating difficult, and i mean in terms of creating a simple mission) than DCS that actually makes DCS feel like a simcade. Problem are the graphics and details like the ground physics (like when you taxi) are horrible in BMS, so horrible that i always end up back in DCS. (note i am using only VR).

[@goldenmitaine4629]

why are the graphics so ugly

[@CowBeatsCrow]

It's a mod for a game from 1998.

[@RhodokTribesman]

@@CowBeatsCrow ...on maps that dynamically simulate an entire war the size of multiple countries

[@mayuthecop]

If ED sees this video they will just say the startup procedure is just different for their F-16 Block than the one in BMS, or just saying "Working as intending" or just another bullshit about their SME's knowing better when its evident they know jack shit lol

[@Norman_Peterson]

DCS is a sandbox, only maps+plane no "milsim" no "gameplay", all for a fee. FALCON BMS is simulation, military campagn long term, and is a MILSIM. and have better model of fligh. so DCS is for the exhilarating obsessed with Tom Cruise and the f 18, and graphic. Falcon It's for milsim air force geeks.

[@swarajkar3086]

Yeah well tell that when we got non American birds to fly in BMS