BMW DCT vs ZF8 / My Thoughts On Which is Better

DCT or ZF8??? Comment down below!!!
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[@BEYTEK]

DCT is just savage. i love it

[@rp1268]

DCT all the way. I’ve had both and I love the rawness of the DCT. Really makes you feel like you’re driving a sports car. The zf is the best automatic, period, but more suited towards a cruise or a m340 type car.

[@WhatsyourForte]

Yeah the ZF in the M3 is different than the regular one. The shift programming is more aggressive and is almost as fast as the DCT. Easier to live with on a daily basis.

[@christopherclaure6689]

Nah dct got mad problems that’s why they not using them anymore

[@rp1268]

@@christopherclaure6689 what problems? They seem to hold up well based on the forums. Unless you’re running 700+ on it at which point most transmissions will fail over time. I think the switch to the ZF was to be able to offer xdrive.

[@TheTyrantTendency]

@@WhatsyourForte but zf8 in m140i for exemple, you can put xhp stage 3 and is the same than m3 zf8 or more faster i think.

[@alextasarov1341]

I agree 100% M car is for Motorsport not daily driving. M340 is for daily and performance.

[@buckrogers8858]

I love my DCT. I have not driven the new G80 yet. I love the way the DCT is so smooth shifting while cruising. Then on the throttle you can really feel each shift. An 8 speed DCT would have been AWESOME! I did drive by my local BMW dealership today. They have a G80 competition Sao Paulo Yellow/Yas Marina Blue inside the showroom.

[@WhatsyourForte]

I really liked the DCT also about 95% of the time. There was always that jerkyness with it but under full load it was great. The only thing I miss is the hard kick in the pants at full speed.

[@cemsahin3249]

Love the content bro really appreciate you for making these videos keep up the great stuff!!

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks bro

[@Mango_Productions]

DCT gives you the kickback in the hardest setting. You don’t feel that jolt between shifts with the the 8hp. DCT also doesn’t have creep, feels more connected and closest thing to an automated manual gearbox.

[@jzazf6207]

Nice video man! I've nearly finished putting the zf8 in my a80 supra

[@mkvB58KING]

You need way more subs bro, solid content and you post a ton too.

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks man. I am trying my best. Just need more likes so KZbin will promote the videos more.

[@mkvB58KING]

@@WhatsyourForte The algo will catch on eventually, keep it up 👍

[@JusZard]

I really love the zf8 it’s very quick as well you can see how much more smooth it is ! , it’s amazing !!! I really enjoy it :) happy you enjoy it

[@WhatsyourForte]

Definitely better for daily driving

[@M3BEATS]

Good stuff, keep going man!

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks bro. 💪🏽

[@drowsythedisloyal6451]

Honestly people that haven’t driven nor owned either are the talkin the most the zf transmission’s yes plural they’re multiple comes in a multitude of high power cars and hold power look at the fastest bmw’s 1stock and his boys all zf8 speed, a90 Supra zf8 speed, these transmissions are stout and give both comfort and sporty feeling when tuned and not to mention the highest factory horsepower car for sale (Demons/hellcat jailbreaks) also zf8 speed act is over glorified and complex if you break it welp good luck dct work isn’t cheap and a new ones 7g’s I can go find a wrecked mopar and get a trans for 750-1000 bucks just makes more sense

[@nelsdale1137]

Man this is a great video!!!

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks

[@CastroJordan]

Loving the videos man. I’ve been not on yt too much lately so maybe you’ve done it, but if not. I would enjoy a video showing the instrument cluster, in different modes and whatever features or settings you can change. I’m still on the f30, kind of interested in the digital clusters. Not sure how I feel about them, you like the digital vs the analog in your last car?

[@WhatsyourForte]

I plan to do one soon. Thanks for the idea

[@ASMRFUTURE]

Nice vid thank you for this. Been trying to see what the new G80 transmission was like. Appreciate your review

[@WhatsyourForte]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ASMRFUTURE]

@@WhatsyourForte does the new G80 feel a lot heavier than the old f80s?

[@jakesantangelo4]

Hey great vid I was just thinking of a better camera angle for the dash autotopnl has his setup on the wheel and it’s steady in the dash and is that a m5 you were driving? Very nice interior

[@kurtgabbidon2666]

Good video thanks

[@WhatsyourForte]

You are welcome

[@nephroghost1912]

Nice video James. Can these shift settings be configured with the M modes? Thanks! Waiting to order my AWD M3 Comp this Summer. Really enjoying your videos that are building up my excitement!

[@WhatsyourForte]

Yes they can. You can set it up any way you like. I can’t wait to see the AWD ones

[@nephroghost1912]

@@WhatsyourForte thank you!

[@USCARZ]

I tried the zf8 on the 2022 Bmw x4 m competition gives better feeling and smoother handling for a very strong straight 6 engine the difference between the shift levels are more noticeable in the x4 m competition due to its weight

[@Alvesr2099]

Great video

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks!

[@ankurwalia6473]

Why did you leave superstore though! You were so good in that! Jokes aside, nice video, made me finalize my decision on zf auto.

[@WhatsyourForte]

😂 glad I could help

[@MrAchilles113]

DCT far superior on downshifting into corners and overall control..

[@Unknownracer1320]

Amazing video !! With every video you post I’m closer to buying one , I’m your size , love the carbon seats , would you recommend the 3600 carbon seat upgrade ??

[@WhatsyourForte]

Thanks. So if you are my size (6’3, 300lbs) then no. Do not get the carbon buckets. I could probably only do a 30-40 min drive in them. They are not made for the big guys. The regular seats however are wayyyy better than the F80/F82 seats.

[@Unknownracer1320]

@@WhatsyourForte 6”0 260 . I love the look but comfort is important ! Def following your experience as I’m looking to purchase one in the very near future . Very inspiring man ! Keep it up

[@WhatsyourForte]

@@Unknownracer1320 yeah comfort plus you can only get the ventilated seats with the regular ones. Cooled seats are a game changer

[@himaforlove]

👍👍

[@Drewallin]

I’m almost near the 1200. My break in is not included b/c mine is M performance, but I’m taking it when I’m near 1200

[@WhatsyourForte]

Oh wow I did not know that. I thought that was included for everyone.

[@greasyginzo]

I really can't believe BMW put this damn ZF trans in the M cars. The DCT is so much more sporty feeling and direct. I don't understand the decisions BMW is making lately. Their marketing team has clearly lost their minds. Design team has lost their taste.

[@WhatsyourForte]

They said it was to pair with the AWD system in the M3s. I guess they did not want to have 3 transmissions for the M3 which from a cost decision understand. Design is subjective.

[@cato12]

It’s not like the zf made the car worse. It’s a great transmission.

[@gavcom4060]

Modern Automatics are basically on par with DCT shift times, and are a lot more comfortable to live with

[@greasyginzo]

@@gavcom4060 It's not only about shift times. It's about feel and the ZF is soulless and 1 small step up from old school slush boxes

[@gavcom4060]

@@greasyginzo you realize that in its sportiest mode, the ZF is actually pretty rough as well right

[@torodatruth]

..." then after i finish doing..." lollll damn this car is GROWING on me....

[@WhatsyourForte]

Yep

[@kenbias3523]

Very informative...keep up the great work! Is the sport vs sport+ variation due to traction control?

[@WhatsyourForte]

Throttle mapping changes, suspension changes, and you can program the shift mapping also.

[@cmontes7961]

I own a DSG Golf R. IMO best transmission ever made. ZF is second best and would not complain if I had one. It is very close and quite impressive.

[@WhatsyourForte]

The DSG is nice… I have it now in my Porsche Macan. The newer BMWs ZF software is a little better..

[@wilsal770]

I'm disappointed they when manual DTC is better plus the dinamic down shifting sounds much better

[@ryanjade2836]

I like the DCT because it feels like you are driving manual without clutch pedal. It almost feels like SMG to me. Does the ZF have the rawness of the dct? Does it creep forward if you take your foot off the brake or roll back on hills? thanks

[@WhatsyourForte]

The speed is there but not the rawness. It is easier to live with for a daily driver

[@PracticalInvesting]

I think the crawling and roll back on hills was exclusive to DCT. ZF does not have those features/issues

[@Eiswueste]

The crawling function in DCT transmissions is artificially programmed in to make it work like an original torque converter (ZF 8-speed = planetary gear sets with a torque converter) which does it by the nature of its design. Difference is, torque converters have zero friction when crawling while DCTs use a partially closed clutch for that function which causes wear.

[@s7robe297]

How do the zf shift levels affect manual mode?

[@WhatsyourForte]

It makes it shift quicker… regardless of how fast you flick the pedal, the computer controls how fast the shift is

[@dennyh66]

The ZF makes the them better cars, but the DCT makes them better M cars.

[@WhatsyourForte]

Everything but the start/stop was great with the DCT

[@thepencilkidd]

Really considering getting this car but one thing I do miss is the upshift farts. Every vid I’ve seen they’ve been nonexistent 😔

[@WhatsyourForte]

I think that has more to do with the tuning and emissions requirements than the transmission. They also turned down the burbles on the newer models but when tunes open up they will take care of that.

[@mkvB58KING]

XHP stage 3 trans flash gave me the upshift farts (that sounds funny)

[@dennyh66]

It will most def fart on upshift. I have s58 X4M and it already does that stock, but you can tell the mufflers really tries to mute it.

[@DESTRIAZ]

Zf8 is great but i think that some cars just really should get that dct

[@WhatsyourForte]

I don’t think BMW wanted to build a DCT strong enough to take the power and TQ beating over the life of the vehicle. They used what they had in house and improved the software.

[@DESTRIAZ]

@@WhatsyourForte maybe. But if that were the case, then instead of going with a zf8, why not go with the zf 7dt. A 7 speed dct made by zf as well

[@WhatsyourForte]

@@DESTRIAZ no other BMWs where running that transmission and I assume it is cheaper to keep it uniform on all platforms. The ZF gives you almost the same speed without the jerkiness of the DCT. Also the ZF8 is a stronger transmission

[@DESTRIAZ]

@@WhatsyourForte oh yeah believe me i know. I have a charger and that trans is so smooth yet in sport mode it just slams through the gears and it’s just awesome. Quick shifting as hell too

[@Ratalala]

A timer on screen could help🤷🏻‍♂️

[@WhatsyourForte]

Nice idea

[@torodatruth]

....oooo that last shot @ 24.48 ....swaaaeeeeet

[@WhatsyourForte]

Hahhaa

[@Eddy-09]

How reliable has the zf8 proven to be on most cars, and does it do well in holding bigger power?

[@WhatsyourForte]

In the performance cars yes. The hellcat also uses a version of the ZF8. It is a great trans

[@Eddy-09]

@@WhatsyourForte Oh wow didn’t know it came on the hellcat also. I’m guessing the hellcat uses a beefier version to handle the bigger torque?

[@liamlindsay1458]

@@Eddy-09 no its the same. Aslong as they stay cool they are reliable and can take alot of power. Just keep em cool and you will be fine. Most auto trans get damaged by overheating and heat soak which makes seals fail and bearings etc

[@Eddy-09]

@@liamlindsay1458 Is the zf8 that is on the M340i, the same zf8 trans as the G80 M3 and hellcat?

[@gavcom4060]

@@Eddy-09 No the zf8 on the m340i is a “weaker” version that’s only meant to handle like 400 LBFT of torque, even though they’re still basically handle anything above that. they have multiple version of the zf8 to handle models with varying power

[@sebaj8386]

Manual transmission it is

[@jameswan670]

DCT lover will get tone of bill for repairing after 80K miles. 😄😄

[@WhatsyourForte]

I liked the DCT on my F82 also. The ZF is better all around tho

[@tony152]

Great content, but don’t rest your hand on shifter while reversing 😁

[@WhatsyourForte]

Yeah I see that. I could get away with it on the DCT 😂

[@alindo69]

does it creep foward in traffic?

[@WhatsyourForte]

Yes if you come off the break. You can activate auto hold and it will not do it.

[@mkviis]

Paddles on an automatic feels like a scam and frankly it is just wrong, performance cars need to have MT or DCT

[@Spiceynuts]

Absolute shocking ZF gearbox shouldnt be in an M car .