Dual Clutch vs Manual Transmission (DCT vs MT) BMW M4 & M3

Dual clutch transmissions are taking over the world, they are great but are we missing out on the joy of the manual transmission?
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[@HenrySk8r]

Sam: manual RWD car, temperature readings in Celsius, and 24hr time. A true man.

[@shoeway22]

Elliott Rollins This is my favorite comment hands-down. Thanks, Elliot!

[@elementskate1337]

+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)

[@elementskate1337]

+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)

[@elementskate1337]

+Elliott Rollins hell yeah but AWD* im a quattro guy ;)

[@E34Benzin]

Right, 12h time and fahrenheit degrees are for pussies.

[@danesebruno]

if it's your daily drive, then go for the DTC. If it's your weekend car, then go for the MT. Simple as that

[@ELDeViL71]

Bruno Danese My Salute to you sir

[@JackalCars]

Bruno Danese I dunno, I hear your point, but for a daily I would think the manual is a lot more enjoyable!

[@danesebruno]

I see what you mean. But the manual as a daily car can get tiring, especially if you face heavy traffic every day. There is absolutely zero traffic where I live, so I would definitely go for the manual.

[@hectorespinoza3446]

JackalCars I made the mistake of going manual in los angeles, yes its extremely fun like 3 days out of the month... but grinding between 1st and 2nd the other 28 days of the month... so annoying, trading mines in next year for the DCT.

[@KevBoy3D]

+Hector Espinoza I honestly don't see the problem, is the clutch that heavy or something?

[@TwizztidAngel]

My left foot IS my launch control.

[@SavageBunny1]

You must have owned a couple of Hondas then?!?...

[@TwizztidAngel]

Someone is bad ass with clutch control and you say they must own a Honda... wow.

[@norbypohl413]

+Brian Tolliver (HiCapMag) - The computer will kick your left foots ass....everytime.

[@TwizztidAngel]

Possible

[@Frosty_coyote]

+John P but he'll be connected with your car. it's a team while driving while in auto and others your like a king you tell it where to go and only tell it to shift with your fingers or just wait.

[@HSSLTYO]

I shaved 2 seconds of my commute this morning with DCT

[@felixarbable]

i feel like manuals might hold their value more being rarer, kinda like the gt2rs. nobody wanted them and now they are 400k

[@Kaisuke971]

felix pinto "nobody wanted them" more like nobody could get them, because they were both rare and expensive af.

[@vismortis]

felix pinto M cars are really enthusiast cars. as they age and get to the 2nd and 3rd owners manuals will carry a premium as buyers will want the manual for the fun factor and the cheaper upkeep. I know the E46 is slanted due to the SMG being a ticking timebomb but you can see two equal cars priced $3000 - $5000 apart based on one being a stick and the other being a SMG

[@djrrmml7514]

+felix pinto that's why a Manual F430 is 10K more expensive compare with the F430 F1

[@VaunShiz]

I think it will do the opposite, on the used market why would you buy the manual, alot of the buyers of there cars are 50+ and don't care for manual anymore and the dct is naturally faster.

[@beyondthelol]

+matthew von in new zealand you can buy a used auto jzx90 for 7-8k, and a manual one for 12-13k. You can buy a r34 gtt auto for 8-9k, manual 12-14k. I could go on and on, manual is in much higher demand.

[@willya3620]

Just ordered my 2016 M4 with manual and saw this video after. Thanks for comparison. Makes me happy I ordered the 6 speed. Cheers

[@RAJohnson713]

Should have got a M3 it's better looking

[@android61242]

RAJohnson713 ur hi as fuk

[@maxpowers3732]

+Willy A Congratulations on the new M4 manual! It looks like an incredible car

[@tonoc.a.9824]

+RAJohnson713 the M3 looks exactly the same as the M4, only 2 doors more.

[@willya3620]

maxpowers3732 Thanks man. I really appreciate that. It's an incredible drive.

[@XtrAMassivE]

Damn manual sure sounds nicer when changing gears, it transitions much sweeter

[@VinceYT2408]

XtrAMassivE I didn't even realise that the manual transmission was available on the M4 :D

[@NS416]

VinceYT2408 they come standard with them. You've to pay around 1.5k for Dual Clutch

[@batsman46]

Naveen S 3000...

[@TheMadIsRealXXR]

+VinceYT2408 same

[@orangevirus2]

+VinceYT2408 You won't find a BMW model type, especialy an M, NEVER, without a manual transmission.

[@TheChimples]

Most people say that a manual is more involving. Of course it is, there are 4 points of contact as opposed to 2 on the DCT. The 4 points of contact are: 1. Steering wheel 2. Gear shift (stick) 3. Clutch and 4. Gas / brake. In other words all your limbs are literally engaged and therefore you are getting more feedback and your brain is more rewarded with sensation and involvement. The DCT on the other hand cuts that involvement by 50% by eliminating the clutch and gear stick. Now the only points of contact are gas/brake and steering wheel. Maybe 2.5 if you count the steering wheel operated paddles as an additional point of contact. I don't. But let's not kid ourselves, the DCT is faster and more efficient. So if track time matters to you (or gas mileage), the DCT is the way, but if you want to have fun and be more engaged, the manual is the way to go.

[@grayisagirl]

+Apple Aya couldn't agree more!

[@xxxmikeyjock]

+Apple Aya do they make a facetooth kit for the manual, that should remove some of the advantage of the dual clutch

[@Mosstachio]

Actually, track times would be better with a manual. If you got rid of all the little bells and whistles that limit you on a dct, and made it where it's essentially a manual without the need to operate the clutch, and it shifted instantly and smoothly, than yes it would have better track times, and equally as good, if not better handling capabilities.

[@qasimmir7117]

That's a very well written comment. I like your take and explanation on this.

[@PewPewKill]

+Apple Aya how does "literally" make sense in that sentence

[@_J.P._]

Idiots care about who has MT and who has DCT. Normal people don`t care and mind their own business while being happy with the choice they made. Nuff said.

[@B00AJ]

+John Crusader shutup nerd

[@trappingdope1845]

+Eduardo Segovia but there's keyboard warriors who try to make themselves sound like a man because they drive stick lol

[@alexdrepaul]

+Eduardo Segovia if you're deep into cars you'd appreciate whatever other enthusiasts choose to drive

[@riccardo1796]

+Alexander D meh, not really. i really enjoy straight cut manual sequentials, but outside of motorbikes and indycars they don't really exist. that said i'd never get an auto or a dct or any kind of robotic sequentials

[@JCT890]

+Alexander D Exactly.. Thank you!

[@ferrarienzo5252]

I like how Nick veers off the road into the dirt/gravel 5:46 at speed in his M4 with no fucks given and the other guy makes sure to stay on the tarmac when turning around.. Typical Murray move

[@NickMurray]

Charles Austin Best comment

[@RAJohnson713]

Hahahah

[@TheCarista]

Nick Murray thats why we love you nick :D

[@yomofoindahouse]

Charles Austin The difference between buying a car with your own money vs your fathers'. ;)

[@BigPuffyNipples]

How I feel: The DTC is without a doubt a bit faster and more efficient. But give me a manual and I'd be more happy because they're more fun.

[@falunyip]

@gear head actually its TDC

[@thedurangeddrifter3634]

@@falunyip bro DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION DUAL CLUTCH TRANSMISSION

[@falunyip]

@@thedurangeddrifter3634 bro TOP DEAD CENTER TOP DEAD CENTER LMAO

[@thedurangeddrifter3634]

@@falunyip bruh

[@markdoan1472]

Why not have a dual clutch and add a fake clutch pedal and manual stick and programmed into the computer to simulate manual ... I mean it could simulate it perfectly ... and if the next buyer wants automatic have the pedal and shifter removable and computer switched to auto ... Do not think for a second this won't work or is unachievable .... and remind you every minute you drive how childish it is to wish to switch the gears yourself lol

[@FlyingAero]

If manual rev matches for you I dont see why youd get a DCT

[@Beolex]

***** Manuals are so easy to drive nowadays... nice, smooth hydraulic clutches, very light clutch pedals, automatic rev-matching, excellent synchros... why do people get DCT lmao

[@maxpowers3732]

+Daniel Mirzotti I think the dealers push them because they charge more and make more profit for the option. Plus they're idiot proof and people who care more about bragging about generating numbers on a spreadsheet can talk about the faster shifts. As Nick says here I'd think most people buy sports cars for driving enjoyment, not to generate numbers.

[@Beolex]

maxpowers3732 Without a doubt they push them. More commission money for them because the car's MSRP jumps up, easier to order/deliver to the customer (manuals have a much longer waiting time), and also these DCT's will cost more to service than a manual, so more money for the service department. And then of course the demographic of ///M car buyers has changed. It used to be about people who liked an engine they can work on and a clutch pedal they can use. Now ///M cars are made in higher volumes and are much easier to drive, so you'll get both car guys and non car guys buying them. For example, the 997 GT3 Porsche was a car for car guys. 6-speed manual and not too many electronic nannies. The new 991 GT3 has a PDK so you have people like clueless housewives driving it because it has an automatic drive mode.

[@Beolex]

***** It's a faster transmission, but that doesn't mean you're a faster driver. A fast driver is a mentality and skillset, a fast driver ISN'T having a dual clutch transmission or for example 1000hp. A fast driver knows how to apex around a corner, knows how much steering input to give, knows how to modulate his gas and brake (and left foot brake), knows how to prevent understeer and manage oversteer... THIS is a fast driver. If you give a novice an M3/M4 with DCT, it will not make him a faster driver. He just happens to be piloting a fast car. A decent driver with track/autocross experience in a manual M3/M4 will beat an average Joe in a DCT M3/M4. Not to mention, most of the owners that drive these cars don't track them regularly, so the whole "it's faster" argument can fly out the window. In the real world a manual vs. DCT M3/M4 are equally as fast because you're both gonna end up side by side at the next red traffic light, the next construction zone, the next rush hour freeway... completely useless in the real world.

[@SenszR]

Daniel Mirzotti DCT car will win at the lights.

[@elbrigante1]

very gay video

[@NickMurray]

+Rodrigo Marques That was the vibe we were going for.

[@dylanepling5067]

+Nick Murray LOL! Perfect response.

[@dino6888]

+Nick Murray I own a 2016 M3 DCT and really enjoyed this gay yet very informative video. Thank you, Nick

[@1down5up426]

Spot on, it was a very joyful video indeed

[@DodgeViperAS]

lol

[@MrDrmorbid]

Nearly 100% of the authoritative comments are from people with cars not even close to the ones in the video, let alone any of the cars they mention and fanboy in their text.

[@Shorty15c4007]

"Oh, you could have gone 0.0003 seconds faster if you had the DCT option." "I don't care, I'm having fun."

[@TuddecBMW]

If I lived in the US I'd get the manual because I would be praised like a god to master the art of manually shifting gears (in the civilised world it's no big deal).

[@NickMurray]

Tuddec True statement

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

Tuddec hehehe I see what you did there

[@TuddecBMW]

If not I'd get the DCT because it's quicker and manufacturers are now investing more in DCTs because it's what most people choose so it's probably better.

[@maxpowers3732]

+Tuddec Most people buy a Cayenne or Macan instead of a 911/Cayman/Boxster so if I want to enjoy driving a Porsche are the SUVs better sports cars? The manual makes driving the car much more enjoyable. Who cares about fractional second differences?

[@TuddecBMW]

Top Gear reference.

[@desimunda116]

Nothing beats the feeling on shifting the gears yourself

[@jennifergonzalez3904]

I just bought my first BMW M3! I am so glad I found this channel. Nick, I've learned a good bit about my car just from watching your videos for the past few hours. I traded in my Honda Accord coupe 6 speed for the M3 DCT. It's only been a few days, still learning the car, but I am in love! :) I am thoroughly enjoying your videos. Gracias Mr. Kiwi :)

[@nowiplay2]

How’s the car treating you?

[@niceboy60]

Once the Warranty runs out I wouldn't recommend Automatic vehicles . New Automatic Gearboxes often are more expensive to repair than replacing the engine Modern Mechanics will tell you " You need a new Gearbox " even if the same only needs a sensor , to try to get more money from you

[@briand2195]

bingo, though they only get complex with dct a torque converter driven gearbox is fairly simple, I'd argue even more so than a older manual gear box. often times though they do know better and try to rip you off. last time I ever brought my car into a shop, it had a bad shift solinoid, they were going to charge me $2.5k for a rebuild for a $12.50 part, it does require you to drop the tranny and open it up to get to the solenoid but last time I checked opening it up and replacing a single sensor doesn't constitute a rebuild. at this point point was already set in my mind I was going to do it myself, but I felt the need to prod the mech. for trying to pull one over on me, so I asked since your doing a rebuild do I have any warranty on the new parts and rebuild, such as the torque converter, he said no because they aren't going to be replaced, so I asked how can you call it a rebuild if you are rebuilding or changing anything, now your flat out telling me I'm paying over 2k and my torque converter could go a week later and it'll cost me another 2k? AL WAYS do your own research if I didn't prior to going to the shop I might have spent 2k on the replacement of a $12 part.

[@IbangedYaMama]

+niceguy60 Good automatic transmissions (toyota...) will outlive the car itself...

[@Mosstachio]

+sdfajbdakisjdgh very true. If it's built well (not a lemon) than taking good care will extend the life of anything exponentially

[@CenobiteBeldar]

+niceguy60 In the near future, you wont have a choice. If you dislike automatic transmissions now, wait till you get your hands on a CVT.

[@CenobiteBeldar]

+niceguy60 Oh and think of the MT as the boss you've always wanted. Then the CVT comes in and he's like "you and I are going to be enemies for the rest of your life". CVT: You want control of your cars engine? You want sportiness? I think not!!!!

[@GearzMonkey]

There's no "man" in automatic...

[@markdaman9]

what crawled up your ass bud

[@fifishingcanada4211]

GearzMoney Tell that to Tom Atic..

[@sinner7ofhate867]

Ricky P but there is in manual

[@DD-ow4or]

so people Manual >be a man u all>drive manual

[@umarery]

You're not a "man" even if you drive manual.

[@MrChippinator]

A dual clutch is superior in so many ways with regard to performance but driving a manual is an art form. I'm inclined to the latter.

Totally, no manual transmission = no fun to me!

[@bryandoherty9399]

I know the dual clutch is faster but I don't care, the manual is much more enjoyable to drive

[@christicristian06]

+Bryan Doherty I can guarantee you that an experienced driver can face a DCT anytime, 7 gears against 5 or 6. You don't have to shift through all that gears. Drag racers have 2 or 3 gears, and for good reason, and they can still shift hella fast.

[@bryandoherty9399]

Cristian Ceclan I was thinking just regular day to day driving. I'm sure an experienced driver using a dog clutch manual can shift just as fast or many even faster than a DCT. But with a synchro manual which is what every road car has can't shift that fast. You can shift them that fast but it's bad for them, where a dog clutch you have to slam into gear, or you'll break it. I'm not arguing against you, I just thought of it that way. I'm assuming dragsters use dog clutch manuals as those transmissions are for Motorsport purposes

[@bryandoherty9399]

***** I don't mind driving a standard in traffic at all, I just avoid it because you're basically riding the clutch. I hate DCT cars when you're moving them slowly, every DCT car I've drove is a pain in the ass to park and jerky

[@jaysnsteelers]

DCT vs MT Velcro vs Shoe laces Machine vs Free weights Treadmill vs Running Non-iron Shirt vs Cotton Shirt

[@suhailjamil3909]

Computer vs chalk n board Latest smart phone vs cup n string 😂😂😂

[@DR-ld4jn]

Fleshlight vs palm

[@gmballistic506]

@@DR-ld4jn The best comparison yet. :D Ha ha

[@shameemmohammed8003]

mastr...n vs real sex

[@arcanegames4186]

Charcoal bbq vs gas bbq

[@RenexMT]

seating position is incorrect, there shouldn't be straight arms

[@y0imbooster]

bmw fool position behind the wheel. I hope I don't become douche when I buy beemer :D

[@MR94JOKER]

ugh you don't get it xp he's trying to show his triceps LOL

[@Bossnian763]

He's sitting in someone else's car. It's possible that he didn't want to adjust the man's seat.

[@MR94JOKER]

Bossnian763 i believe it has memory seats

[@Bossnian763]

It probably does, but maybe he didn't want to mess with it? I have memory seats and I have yet to program it. Idk, just playing devil's advocate

[@jessechen4971]

Why doesn't BMW update the design of the manual shift knob? Wasn't it the roughly the same ever since the early 2000s?

[@dehongliu5684]

+Jesse Chen Probably a very good/comfort design that they can't improve much.

[@jessechen4971]

MartinsArmAChannel It's the design I'm talking about. In other words, aesthetics.

[@michaelfleming5075]

+MartinsArmAChannel its called innovation. If everyone thought the way you do, we'd be in the stone age, content with out flints, pointy sticks and wheels. lol

[@MattMaranMotoring]

Very cool comparison Nick! Can't go wrong with either transmission really!

[@NickMurray]

subaruwrxfan Yes there is no wrong choice as you say Matt

[@krisevan1337]

+Nick Murray very nice comparison! Now I need to drive the MT on the M4! But shouldn't you already know these little arrows next to the gear number? My DCT M4 also shows me which gear I should choose.

[@shoeway22]

subaruwrxfan Thanks! I'm a fan of your channel. Getting squirrely!

[@dinopappous6639]

Yeah...the transmission is not the problem...it's the over rated car that comes with it !!!! FORZA ALFA BABY !!! ALFA ROMEO GIULIA QUADRIFOGLIO ALL DAY LONG AND TWICE ON SUNDAY OVER THESE GERMAN *HITBOXWS !!!

[@javidgt8]

Deadass id take a Giulia any day over the basic mainstream german cars

[@bomchickawahwahmatt]

Must be time to start modifying your m4 now Nick! He's done 2000 miles and he's ahead!

[@NickMurray]

matt avery I know I need to focus

[@TheMadIsRealXXR]

Those spacers and the grille is a need!

[@firebolt2310]

Nick Murray *Well real men drive manual transmission xD*

[@vandergaurde2033]

My two cents: Automatic has reached a point where it will mostly be faster than a manual. Okay. That being said, many MANY car enthusiasts are not race car drivers and are not out to set lap records, and their typical canyon run does not include live timing or shit like that so... for me at least, its all about fun. So Manual it is.

[@markdoan1472]

Then why not a dual clutch automatic with a simulated clutch pedal and shifter with a program telling it to act like a manual ...dont think for one second this could not be done and simulate it perfectly ... and remind you every moment you drive how foolish and childish you are puming that fake pedal and shifting that fake gear shifter lol .... and when you get tired of the manual just unbolt and unplug those simulated pedal and shifter and switch the program back to auto

[@RobManser77]

I drive racing cars, have done for 21 years, and prefer manual. All racing cars I’ve ever driven, and almost all in existence, are manual with a clutch foot pedal or hand paddle. That gives you full control and maximum involvement.

[@markdoan1472]

@@RobManser77 False ..Nascar forces manuals but all and I mean all racing that allows autos use and win with them almost always using paddle shifters .. Been proven time and again you loose when you compete against double clutch autos ...Manuals are always slower and I mean always .. No manual driver has won any major races for decades , in fact they only exist in formulas that force them to like nascar

[@MysteriousSamurai]

LOL, Tui is awesome. He doesn't give a s#!t about MT or DCT, he doesn't care if you launch the car at 3000 nor he doesn't care if you go with 100mph :))) He owns the back of the car like a boss.

[@theRealAV8r]

Drove manual literally for decades - DONE with them, especially for daily driving and especially in traffic.

[@uzzie88]

I've only been driving for a few years, and as a Manual guy, I would have to agree with you on both those scenarios you mentioned. Traffic is the worst in a manual, clutch control becomes annoying real quick.

[@bigjdm5460]

theRealAV8r amen, same hear love manual but now it has to be an option to be my daily. Meaning only for a second car

[@hipolymerduck706]

There's something to be said for how lazy you all seem. OMG MOVING MY LEFT FOOT AND RIGHT ARM IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD... Only scrubs and senior citizens care. >.>

[@theRealAV8r]

Glenn Hubbard Sales statistics don't support that. Relatively few consumers of any age care for it in a daily driver. It serves no useful purpose whatsoever any more. And I could just as easily say you're just young, have something to prove, and are easily impressed, but I won't ;)

[@hipolymerduck706]

theRealAV8r Sales statistics don't really mean much. How do you know the reason more people buy more automatics, isn't because they'd prefer to text and drive? You said you drove many decades denoting your age, and the little feller that was agreeing with you states he's only been driving for a few years... I'm neither young, nor old. I've owned many cars, both manual and automatic. Manuals keep people engaged more so than automatics. Ergo, automatics are for lazy/old people that either can't or won't move their arms and legs.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

"It's not an automatic!" Yes it is, companies fudged the terminology to appeal to enthusiasts. Get in the car, drive it around, it changes gears automatically.

[@RagzTheRagNinja]

not if you shift early

[@mikeike9899]

ImBarryScottCSS A DCT is an automated manual transmission. I say that because a typical DCT has a very similar build to a manual transmission. But the computer moves the shift forks and controls the 2 clutches. A typical automatic transmission in a car is nothing but a set(or more) of planetary gear sets that change ratios based on engaged clutch packs. Which in term are pre set by hydraulic pressure in the valve system (transmission RPM, newer ones use computers in combination) and a torque converter with lockup clutch to send power to the transmission. 100% self controlled...automatic. So in a way a DCT is, but at the same time is not, an automatic transmission. Just mess with the paddles and suddenly it's an automated manual, but then put it in drive and it's an automatic transmission.

[@MrAcc45]

English Muffin.... Yes, spot on.

[@hamzaali9772]

English Muffin Nice copy paste from google twat

[@mikeike9899]

Hamza Ali Funny, as this is my own writing coming from my head and the time and effort I have spent learning these things throughout the years. This is the way I actually speak when I debate. No copy pasta.

[@JeanV1986]

That rev match thing is incredible on the manual !

[@XxResentedxX]

doesn't care about dog in the car drooling, rips it through gravel (doesn't take care of car), buys an auto, these things usually go together

[@NickMurray]

+Vasko G. So insightful

[@XxResentedxX]

i know right?

[@nikkieXI]

Calm down bro. I suggest you don't ever look up rally car racing then. Cars are toys for us big boys that like to push a car to its limits. And don't trip over a little bit of dog drool or gravel.

[@-BuddyGuy]

+nikkieXI How did you manage to fit so much douche into such a short comment?

[@xavierareas]

Nice bike douche

[@sasca854]

I couldn't care less if the DCT is a little bit faster; the manual is, and will always be, more fun to drive.

[@markdoan1472]

Just add a foot pedal and a shifter and electronically link it to the DCT to make it behave like a manual .... that way the children can have their manuals ... I mean they could make it behave exactly like a manual .... then when you need both hands on the wheel to win a race just flip a switch ...boom .. double clutch auto with paddle shifters ... now you have both ....you would be happy with that right ?

[@anotherone10]

I personally think the xenon headlights make the front of the car look even better compared to the LED headlights.

[@TheKookiemonster007]

anotherone10 the leds look nicer at night

[@RAJohnson713]

Yeah the angel eyes are more of a perfect circle with the xexons, LEDs are not e perfect circle

[@agentbb007]

I like the look of the LEDs, to each his own 😀

[@schummiking]

lol, no one understands what this po wants to say?

[@CaptainCocaine]

+AKIRA xx I thought most of the expense of Xenon went into the ballast and installation. The bulbs are pretty inexpensive, IIRC.

[@Truesoldier000]

woah that dudes teeth are perfect!

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Oh, I don't see an M3 here. Hmmmm. M4 vs M4 the title needs to say,

[@Philipp.H0210]

Manual is much more driving pleasure! And cheaper, too. But don't sit that far from the steering wheel.

[@gedam131]

8:05 how far he is from the steering wheel is hilarious !

[@itrsteez]

Had a DCT in my E92 for 3 years and it was absolutely fantastic, with that being said, there was just something missing to the total driving experience and I had no hesitation getting a 6MT in my '17 m3.

[@JFinns]

Manual all the way. It's where the skill and enthusiasm comes, and connects driver to the car. The rev matching is neat, possibly better for the drivetrain. That said I've never had a drivetrain issue in 150,000 miles on my manual Mustang including rev matching, heal-toe downshifting, drag racing, multi gear downshifts, engine braking in daily rush hour traffic, etc. Wouldn't trade a manual for anything.

[@pascutia]

Nice video. He said that he was coming from an E39 M5. That is my favorite car! If you could review one, I would be extremely happy :))

[@eezeegeezaa]

dual clutch burns more juice for sure. If you can't shift you shouldn't be driving an m. Manual always more control. But yup I have a dsg in my r

[@thatsnothowyousaymyname]

DCT is automatic, let's be real.

[@bluedashu1712]

Bilgehan Onogul no it isn't there's differences

[@hypster814]

Bilgehan Onogul it isn't. Internally it's a manual. Only part missing is a stick.

[@unurboldjigmeddagva8126]

We say DCT different than automatic is becuase it has the design of manual. however if dct invented before Automatic planetary gear set, yes we would call that automatic

[@hypster814]

Bjorn Ironsides It may shift "automatically" but it is not a traditional automatic transmission. Calling it an auto is wrong. It's a dct or powershift.

[@clintonhouston1048]

Nate, It is also missing a third paddle, so stop dreaming and wake the fuck up. anyone can drive a DCT in no time. DCT= no skill.

[@moveaxebx]

Dual clutch in city is a must for me...which is about ~95% of driving I do.

[@iant720]

Yeah I love manuals but in city traffic it's horrible. That's the only reason I'd prefer an auto all day

[@dehongliu5684]

+Ian Thompson for daily driving........just forget about manual......

[@CrazyGreek80]

Manual is more fun but DCT wins all the time anytime in a race.

[@informaticiensig]

it depends on driver

[@GuardianofClevelandHeights]

You're a solid dude, Sam for letting Nick bring his dog in your new car! Good man!

[@shoeway22]

+Anthony Dlugos Tui is a cute dog, plus we wanted to make a great video! Thanks man!

[@E85-M54-Power]

I like both transmissions, drove one of these w/ the DCT as well and its quick.

[@warpspeed9877]

How about weight difference? Manual should be lighter...

[@calisimo31]

Having owned a E-46 six speed manual, and now a DCT M-4 I think both have value as far as fun, but when I took the DCT for the first test run before buying, it blew me away...had to trade up because of the transmission more than anything. I also find that it is much nicer when stuck in traffic or just taking it easy, but if you want to hoon it up, there is a lot of fun to be had with the lightning quick, sharp shifts...

[@javidgt8]

As much as i dont agree and am baffled that you went from such an amazing manual car with an amazing chassis to a DCT M car, i can respect your choice. It is cool seeing how quick and seamless the shifts are. I cant say i think its even close to being as fun, but its cool and fast.

[@markdoan1472]

@@javidgt8 Dude manuals profoundly suck in slow traffic and when your eating or holding your girlfriends hand .. All things that bugged me on my BMW and swore Id never buy a manual again

[@boggiewan]

Manual....where launches are a smoke show and you can drop MULTIPLE GEARS for some silly good times =) Especially on a turbo; a double gear drop will spool your turbos really quick and kick you right in the ass! Go home DCT; you're boring.

[@SamsomiteMight]

Manual for the win. Now, always, and forever. More engaging, more fun, more in control.

[@Ali-cm9ru]

Samsomite "Manuel for win" is not true for Porsche. P-D-K ;)

[@Barrettcoronalight]

Slower tho... :(

[@vinrave]

This put me in half. My first car was a manual, being a teenager I was very excited to have a manual, and now I have a automatic. As an adult it is more practical and saves a lot of energy especially when you're on a long drive with traffic. My final thoughts are, the manual is more fun to drive but the DCT has better responsive time that gives you a stronger kick.

[@jerrydr]

no clutch pedal = automatic

[@Executiveinvestments-]

it is not an automatic. Fuck you kids are dumb.

[@rrudydedogg3779]

Actually, a DCT is more of a hybrid as it can shift automatically or on demand yet it has clutches rather than a torque converter that control a pair of manual-type gear boxes....odd number and even number gears. This gives it the advantages of both transmission types and allows the driver to concentrate 100% on driving with zero chance of a missed shift or mishandling the clutch.

[@kidshaw]

In the "M" sport mode if you don't shift the lever the gears wouldn't change, so technically it is. You can shift at whatever RPM you like..just like the manual. You probably haven't driven one .

[@willjay7607]

You can tell you have never driven a dual clutch if you think you drive it the same as a torque converter auto

[@JackThomasCollins]

If your foot isnt precisely controlling a clutch, and your hand isn't banging through an H pattern then its an auto.

[@timb1762]

Manual any day. Wish all vehicles offered manual!

[@MiLLz830]

so sad its phasing out more now

[@amaroudis]

except for price, I don't understand why anyone would not want the dual clutch. Way faster, and you can still be engaged in the drive by changing gears by yourself without having to depress a clutch pedal/moving the shift knob. I agree that the manual would be more fun for a bit, but after a while it would get old.

[@beyondthelol]

+amaroudis can you drive a manual?

[@amaroudis]

beyondthelol yes

[@MaplePanda04]

More robust.

[@javidgt8]

Not the same type of engagement, the car is still doing everything for you. The fact that you can stall the car if you dont know to drive it properly proves just how much more engaging it is. The fact that you can throw it into the wrong gear and blow your shit up is proof. Sure these dont sound like good things, but the point is youre TRULY engaged to the car. The shifter is mechanically physically connected to the trans gears and the clutch is physically connecting the engine and trans to allow movement. Paddles are just buttons that tell the car "ok now"

[@ryanstucke7811]

why is there something rather than nothing?

[@herculesrockefeller2984]

If the universe will someday end, does anything we do really matter?

[@Dgannt]

MT or DCT. These endless discussions. If you got only one car and use it for commute in endless traffic, then DCT is your only option. No one wants to drive half clutch in 1st or 2nd for 30 or 40 minutes each way. It has nothing to do with DCT being a few tenths faster, and it stills gives you a little bit feel of MT. But if you're not driving in traffic everyday then MT is the choice. Of course almost everybody wants a MT on those curvy canyon roads but as often the reality of everyday stops our dreams. Now, if you could afford a second car...

[@stevenberry1574]

Why was it "Good to know that you grab the shifter like a man's penis" "with a nice soft grip" ???? Were you trying to get the M4 owner a reach-around? Lmaoo

[@xueyaotianxia]

Manual is the best!

[@jossygeorge6776]

stop lying!

[@TomySTS]

Yea it is the best, but sometimes it's useful that DCT changes the gears faster...

[@maradoyouwanna4202]

lol my 06 gmc canyon 2.8L single cab has something to say ........voooorrrrmmmmmmm....................stfu you manual fuckers. ill heal toe downshift your ass around any Conner or and straight away

[@thiruc]

+FUNG CHANG Does it really matter? The DCT is faster than the manual. If you care about shifting the gears instead of letting the computer do it,fine get a manual. But if you care about performance,get the DCT

[@thiruc]

***** basically what i meant was if you want to shift gears,buy a manual,if you want to go fast,get the dct

[@billystutz55]

I feel like a manual is a lot more fun to drive. A lot more driver involvement. I don't care that the automatic is faster

[@Mytim34]

Ive driven both, the manual is MUCH better imo. Better feel 90% of time, dct feels better 10% ie flat changes and maybe track.

[@Thelionfan11]

The quetion of all time > My answer

[@TheOfficialPayne]

the orange color wasn´t available in the us for a couple of time, bmw removed it, but after a lot of people still wanted to buy these color bmw decided to offer it again

[@MarcPires]

It's really a shame that here is Brazil you can only get the DCT. Both transmissions are great, but personally i prefer the manual - because i feel it's more engaging. Excellent review as always.

[@krasnaludek298]

My Cadillac is manual and BMW is auto. Caddy way more fun to drive.

[@keithlennox9222]

An auto completely ruines a performance car for me. Manual is fun and challening to drive hard on a track, auto is lazy and boring! Auto faster for drags but takes away any skill, yeah give me an auto when im 90 and have no knees 😂

[@neuideas]

Compared to a manual, is the DCT inexpensive to maintain? Is a DCT as reliable as a manual? Is a DCT smooth in slow/heavy stop/start traffic? Can you pop-start a car with a DCT if you need to?

[@MH-hg4ug]

M4 vs M3? U mean M4 vs M4

[@aimanrohisham3811]

Dual clutch is quicker, manual transmission is more fun. That's it. There's no need to argue lol.

[@markdoan1472]

Why not have both in the same car .. put a fake clutch pedal and shifter in and run a computer program to the transmission so the operator thinks he has a manual ....which he actually does electronically controlled .. ...Next driver who doesn't want this just pull the fake pedal and shifter out ... manual lovers would never know ..you can program it to replicate a manual exactly

[@herculesrockefeller2984]

No clutch pedal = Garbage

[@jasonedenilson]

the manual does have a clutch pedal

[@biigsmokee]

DCT does not.

[@herculesrockefeller2984]

Zestea ..then its GARBAGE!

[@biigsmokee]

Hercules Rockefeller At least, I don't think it does.

[@herculesrockefeller2984]

Zestea It probably doesn't. I dont know of any DCT's with a clutch pedal. I think they were going to release a certain model of the GTR with a clutch pedal, but I dont know.

[@71001L]

next thing you know, automatic living. You don't live, life just lives itself... faster and more efficient. Since the whole point of living is going from a womb to a tomb like from point a to point b.

[@billbligh4547]

This deserves to be updated for 2021.

[@Daniel_V_]

I'll admit that DCT transmissions are really cool. Gear changes are really smooth, and if you floor it you will just hit a high speed really quick. But I'll just stick (no pun intended) to my manual for now even if my rev match is not perfect. :) Sick video

[@CasamTheAnimator]

Also DCT transmissions just like manual transmissions have a high fuel efficiency, easier to repair, and lighter and cheaper, and just like automatic transmission you also get a smooth drive experience, so the power flow is constant.

[@pmadsen45]

Great video, Nick. Any plans to review a c7 Corvette?

[@NickMurray]

***** Indeed there is

[@BorisArtemyev]

Nick Murray Awesome! I have that, a future M2 or an M4 as my next vehicle!

[@arlind530d]

People who cant drive properly with a manual get the dct

[@MrLeeNumbaOne]

+Arlind530d. Com haahahha true

[@norbypohl413]

+Arlind530d. Com - People who want to go faster get the DCT.

[@dehongliu5684]

+John P People who want to go faster, go get a Bike

[@norbypohl413]

Dehong Liu- People who have no instinct for self preservation get a bike...

[@javidgt8]

@John P Those .2 second differences must really be worth losing all the fun of a manual car huh? Lmfao

[@TofuProductionCinema]

I won't knock on either, but I love having a manual trans.. I prefer clutching and all that, I guess it's just personal preference.

[@WatchGeek]

when they brake, an MT will be $2000, DCT will be $10.000 and it is more prone to problems

[@daylengoodson3324]

"It's not an automatic it's a DCT" it's an automatic

[@33kampmann]

Actually not

[@knighthollow5023]

No

[@rosssmith9941]

Did you guys upgrade the speakers in the car so you can hear the engine noise more?

[@thelarry383]

Sam looks like the stereotypical M driver

[@JonasRosenven]

Light Yagami Yes. He's a handsome young happy fellow.

[@thelarry383]

Jonas Rosenven Here comes the PC crowd

[@shoeway22]

Jonas Rosenven Thanks, Jonas! I can definitely vouch for being a happy fellow!

[@JonasRosenven]

Light Yagami Any "crowd" coming will be part of the audience that is already here. That is: the people who appreciate this very rare and freindly channel made by a generous guy that puts in a lot of effort to share the things he enjoys without asking anything in return. We don't need "pc" here - we have manners and appreciation instead.

[@davidgrisez]

Manual Transmissions are fun until you are stuck in slow moving stop and go traffic. Then the various automatic transmissions are much nicer.

[@danked6731]

People banging on about manual this manual that fuck up please you all probably drive corsas and at a push mx5s😂

[@lonelywuffy]

When I want to drive a car that AUTOMATICALLY shifts for me, I drive my wife’s car.

[@mlhj83]

The other advantage of the MT is a near 40kg weight reduction vs DCT. Important for various reasons.

[@NickMurray]

mlhj83 Good point

[@ras4782]

that dct is fast but I love manual cars

[@rickstandish6690]

I'm a 58 year old heavy equipment operator. Manual Toyota rav4, two door, is my ride.

[@eezeegeezaa]

dual clutch burns more juice for sure. If you can't shift you shouldn't be driving an m. Manual always more control. But yup I have a dsg in my r

[@xLeidenFrost]

jual clutch transmission

[@eggrevolver]

+ Manual: lasts longer than your car. Sometimes even than you do...

[@thezig2078]

DCTs are two manuals merged together so they will last longer than 2 cars then

[@eggrevolver]

@@thezig2078 no, they are much more than "two manuals merged together"

[@thezig2078]

@@eggrevolver thats why they are better

[@eggrevolver]

@@thezig2078 thats why they are what they are :)

[@thezig2078]

@@eggrevolver yep They are best gearbox type

[@Anthfigueroa]

DCT = more road head

[@PKFortyseven]

Very True! I had manual E46 back in college but still got to borrow sum jaw at her spot./my spot/ club parking lot/ behind a dumpster

[@ViperVenom]

Not true just set the cruise control and lean back. Although 5 speeds are bettered then 6 for road head. Popped it out of 6th gear a couple times.

[@karensonlyfansphotographer7014]

If her tits are fat enough she can titshift.

[@javidgt8]

Lmfao clearly you and those who agree arent as much of car enthusiasts as the rest. When im driving im DRIVING. No time for shit else even if i wanted. Im focused on the road and enjoying tf out of my car. Head can wait till i stop or get home. Tbh my car turns me on anyways too lmfao

[@JericTamayo]

Why does he drive far away from the wheels? He looks like a poser with his arms like that. If he drives like that for a few hours, I doubt it'll be doable.

[@avatar098]

"I hold the gear lever like a man's penis" I almost died.. in the middle of work xD

[@unnamedny]

There is one big flaw with DCT transmission that almost no one ever mentions. It's very slow on downshifting. Reason is, when you step the gas pedal it kicks in 1st gear and sets 2nd gear to be next, then 3rd etc. In DCT it pretty much has next gear ready to kick it all the time, if you need to downshift 2 gears, it's very slow, because it needs to engage clutch at your request and not at the request of the computer. This is the reason why DCT's are jerky in slow moving traffic, you press on gas and transmission sets the next gear, but then you slow down, computer gets sort of confused on which gear you need next.

[@s.flanders]

Manuals keep you busier, which can make relatively tame driving seem more exciting ("engaging, "involving," etc.). However, I personally find that driving enthusiastically on a challenging road (or even better, on a track) keeps me plenty busy without me having to take one hand off the wheel and focus on heel-and-toeing and whatnot. There is so much to focus on if you want to perfect your driving that having an extra task just seems like it makes it much less likely that you'll get good at the rest.

[@Haru-Kei]

It's so true. But it's a different story with skilled drivers. They think robot transmission cars are boring.

[@TheSugarbear76]

ruffcrane they are boring. But not bad by any means...just so boring. It feels like a roller coaster or a go cart, not a vehicle that you're operating.

[@canto_v12]

Stupid Flanders I'm still a novice driver, preferring relatively relaxed mountain drives over hardcore tracking. My car's semiauto gearbox keeps me plenty busy (I had wanted a stick, but you can't be too choosy with used cars). But still very sure that if I were to spend more time with a manual car, I would want the 3 pedals even for challenging drives.

[@tissot233]

+Stupid Flanders Though you need to remember that many of us have not driven anything else than manuals, and so they don't really feel like "busy work", but rather something you do without even noticing. It's the automatic that feels weird for many. This is the case here in western Europe. Even so if much less so than before.

[@s.flanders]

Tommy Lainio I was talking about whether manuals are better for fun driving in which you're trying to find your own limits. In that case, changing gears (the old-fashioned way) is just an added distraction that most likely slows you down and prevents you from focusing on more rewarding stuff (getting the right line, weight transfer, smooth inputs, etc.). I agree that driving a manual leaves much less room for fumbling around with a phone, though it can definitely still be done if you're driving at a fairly constant speed and don't need to change gears much.

[@dillonalex8462]

Imagine I said something really in depth to contribute to the conversation

[@VaunShiz]

that much money for a car with a manual when there is a dct option... better not ever sell it.

[@harlemkiid149]

As a formula 1 fan and weekend trackster I'd take a great DCT over a manual just about any day.

[@harlemkiid149]

I use a manual, I just prefer a DCT

[@butwhowasmoto2739]

+Tommy Lainio strong 'no true Scotsman' fallacy bud

[@thisiswhatithink3473]

+Tommy Lainio shut up im 100% sure you haven't driven either an automatic or a manual so stop saying bullshit, you can be a car guy and drive a automatic (example a C63 AMG one of the best cars that mercedes has ever produced) don't even bother to reply to my comment i'm sure you are to busy watching GTA V videos (that's how I know why you haven't drive shit and you are saying bullshit)

[@JoeBlo2]

more than 400 HP - automatic less than 400 HP - manual

[@canto_v12]

JoeBlo2 You're just about right on, there. If a car is so fast that its talents cannot be exploited on public roads, a DCT starts to make sense.

[@JoeBlo2]

Yup. High-powered supercars like the 458 and Aventador should be equipped with semi-automatic transmissions because they're too advanced to be bogged down by manual shifting. In contrast, less powerful daily drivers can be pushed closer to their limits by average motorists, and so a manual transmission would be justifiable. The current M3/M4 is on the borderline of this litmus test.

[@clintonhouston1048]

NSX-R, a supercar would be more fun to drive as a manual.

[@JackThomasCollins]

@@Chutneybhai most of their customers buy those cars because its a status symbol, not because they know how to drive properly. High power + manual + shit driver = disaster. Thats why they have autos

[@Noh1996]

Chowdhury1000 it's always about skills if you're comparing MT to any transmission, even if you get a racing license MT is a must. I'm a MT guy myself agreed that DCT is more superior when it comes to performance but why choose MT instead? Most of us will say skills and more connections to the car and not so dull to drive that's it. But speaking of performance actually, i'm quite shocked after watching the video.