BMW E92 335i N54 MHD Stage 1 vs 1+ : Much Difference?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

This is the video where we fitted the cooler. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3KqfGWAZqinrck

[@gillysparks77]

Hi guy's. Whats your opinion on $500 eBay coolers to $1000 name brand. Regards Jon

[@schof1014]

I'm was running JB4 with progressive Methanol stage 2+ with JB4 controlling boost at 21 psi on stock turbos getting to 3.2 0-60 MPH. now I have larger and all around better turbos with 2 inch inlets and outlets and wavetrac LSD getting 2.5 seconds from 0-60 @ 28 psi all for less then 5 grand naturally doing all of the work myself. Bang for your $ horsepower there doesn't exhist a better platform in my opinion including N55 which internals cannot support the same HP in my experience. Absolutely love N54 platform I will probably spend another 10 grand on this current build getting to 8/900 hp. Why ? I have no answer should probably hang out at 650 and drift away but would very much like to destroy 1/4 mile world record in my garage at home. Cheers gentlemen enjoyed the vid✌

[@bounzig]

Hi! That sounds awesome! What mods have you done besides upgraded turbos and 2" inlets and outlets? I'm asking because I'm trying to calculate the cost of parts for my own future build. Thank you!

[@lucaspeiris185]

Is this real 😳 who tuned you how much meth tell me everything plz

[@kolobok11223344]

What transmission

[@jacobhauenstein]

​@@kolobok11223344 I'm not sure how he would get a 2.5s on manual, typically the autos are faster since you can do the whole 0-60 in 2nd

[@kolobok11223344]

@@jacobhauenstein true

[@paulsimpson8990]

I’m glad I watched this again and freezed the video when you were selecting your options. I just noticed that you have to select the ‘option’ of having Oem downpipes........I had assumed that options would involve those items that are not stock! Thanks again.

[@RealCamFootage911]

I love watching these and seeing the mileage welll over 100k, just bought a e93 335i off an old chap only owner from new, full bmw service history, 43k miles. Stage 2 imminent

[@justicejimenez2130]

My friend just ran stage 1+with no mods I didn’t know that’s possible but prolly won’t last long😂 but I love your videos

[@saucon751]

You'll likely blow the stock intercooler and heatsoak the car much quicker. How'd it turn out? Lol

[@napsterau6816]

Take a look at XHP for the transmissions. Seriously livens it up. New Stage 3 V3 XHP Map is on point

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Awww man, i have XHP on my own 335i and can't wait to try the new update. I read they are saying they have used things they learnt for the ZF8...... How would you describe the new map?

[@ajrichards7806]

Also curious, whats different with the new map?

[@pulsechainpete3808]

I was looking at the XHP but I don't think its suitable for the 7 speed DCT, I may be wrong

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Yes, you are right, XHP wont suit the DCT. However, take grace knowing that everyone installing XHP on theirs autos is trying to make them more like your DCT..... we are wishing we had the DCT.....

[@napsterau6816]

@@ZeroTo60Tube The shifts feel more crisp and less torque reduction during a gearshift. I have also set the custom shift speed to +20%. Definitely gives a dct like feel.

[@9595david]

Keep up the quality content guys!!👍🏽 Really excited to see the other 17T hybrid build completed!! I have DARN near the exact same setup (exception of a 6MT w/ 335is clutch in mine)!! Do you guys have an expected completion date? I ordered mine after seeing your initial overview of them 3 weeks ago and the car should be out of the shop Monday or Tuesday!!😭👌🏽 Was really hoping to see yours running first, lol but it’s all good. You are pushing for much higher #’s than me and I can’t imagine how much fun recording and editing ALL of this on top of the work has been! LOL Anyway, excited to see it complete! I rarely sub but you got one out of me😄👍🏽

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Thanks so much for the support really appreciate it. The corona rubbish has been a biblical pain in the back side. Its taken 10 days to do a walnut blast, where i had provisions 2 hours...... haha. Getting little bits that should be over night are taking 4-5 days and our actual real work is suffering big time with the slow down in customers. The vids will hopefully be flowing fully again shortly. We are hoping to be able to have a lot more time to put in to youtube in May. Just need work sorted first.

[@Bad_m340i]

Nice bro i have same setup ebay 17t with mhd e40 and 6mt 335is clutch

[@Vs1entertainment]

Personally i have an e92 335is and with the overboost and 2 rads stage 1+ literally runs beautifully

[@rolberg]

Great video guys! Keep building it!

[@foardhook]

Great video guys, Good solid info.

[@Sanmanlion7]

my pretty much stock 2008 bmw e90 335xi ran a 4.7 0-60mph (muffler delete) (no tune). going stage 1+ here soon. as well with a xHP flash.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

You guys with the Xdrives are cheating you know :P haha.... so jealous we don't get them over here. This car was half a second a quicker on a better surface than this road when tested last year. This video was to show the difference between stage 1 and 1+. Surface, air temps, weight in the car, tyres all have a massive affect on acceleration times. This would be in the 4s on a good surface and 1 person in the car for sure. But as you can see in the video, it got harder to put its power down with the 1+ tune. A problem you wont ever have in the xdrive..... haha.

[@Sanmanlion7]

@@ZeroTo60Tube haha, yeah when I got the car I wanted an AWD so I wouldn't have to worry about wheel spin from a dig. Sometimes I regret it when my mates go drifting. But, When I ran the 4.7 it was on a pretty bad surface but it was cool out. I found the video really helpful though. It gave me an Idea of difference between the 2 tunes. Excited to get the Stage 1+ tune along with the recommended mods. What are your thoughts on the xHP flash? Love the videos!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@Sanmanlion7 XHP is a bit of a must have in my eyes. I have it on my 335i, this is one the later videos of it running just here if you haven't seen it yet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWTaiJuci6tsaKc Being able to lock it in gear and it not just shifting when it wants to is a huge p bonus, not to mention the speed of the shifts are great. In my car i can upshift mid slide and it doesn't even unsettle the car. I picked up a good 2 tenths of a second with XHP on our 0-100 runs. Which was a surprise.

[@rextetron]

I also have a stock E90 335i Xdrive - haven't yet had time to measure 0-100kph, but I raced a 2018 Audi S3 from traffic lights two times, and surprisingly won both races. He had an additional person in the car and I was alone, yet he also had launch control but couldn't catch me even from the line. I was really surprised. Based on that alone I think I COULD be running low 5s as stock, since the S3 should run consistent high 4s with one person onboard. Interesting!

[@famousmidnight]

@@Sanmanlion7 Ambient temperature makes a huge difference in these cars. On a cold day you can see an extra 30hp due to that dense air.

[@timlad123456]

The content well it is exciting to watch to see real results and the hard work paying off. Gear heads for life, I bought the stepped intercooler from ARM and the install was fine until I had to fit the stock pipe into the intercooler took some grease and a little force and it finally clicked into position and 25 to 30 degree drop in AI temps and oil temps. 17t german 2jz cant wait. cheers from across the pond.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Cheers for checking out the vids. The black 335i will be going be under going the 17t install in the next few days.

[@michalmagda6397]

Something is wrong. My 345i had tíme 0-100 in Stock mode 5.19s, after modding with MHD stage 1+ tíme was from 0-100 4,81s.

[@friguy4444]

So how about combining these tunes with transmission tuning too? That might make a difference in the timing and the delivery of the power.

[@pulsechainpete3808]

Great video, once I get the O2 sensors sorted, its stage 1 easter and then intercooler stage 1+

[@paulsimpson8990]

Great video fellas. I reckon it would be worthwhile switching on performance cooling as this will drop combustion chamber temps and could result in more hp. I am running stage 1+ in my sedan and really struggle for traction as well, not well set up for drag racing!

[@r3drogo]

How do you manage to put all the power to the floor in drag race?

[@H0B0LISH3S]

Love the back roads out there in Bli Bli !

[@JR-si6ef]

if you guys like stage 1 + you will def like stage 2 + .. im pretty intersted to see how those china turbos work for you . i am in the us and they have the worst reputation here.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

So are we, they are sitting in my office at work and i am getting a bit frustrated just looking at them. The covid mess has caused a lot of issues with our real work, which have to take priority over our car stuff..... Soon though, soon they will be on.

[@An0nDEViant]

Did you guys remove the 1st and 2nd gear boost restriction? Better have some sticky tires you're gonna light regular tires up in 1st.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No...... no limiters removed on this car and you are spot on traction is an issue.

[@HassanEido1]

If u need a custom tune lemme know guys. I'll hook u up

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Thanks, really really appreciate that. Might be in touch sooner rather than later.

[@pabloalfaro2595]

Hook me up with one too hahah

[@HassanEido1]

@@pabloalfaro2595 wait for the 0 to 60 review 👌

[@pabloalfaro2595]

@@HassanEido1 shoot ill review it too, but thats not as good as these guys haha. im MHD stage 2+ right now

[@HassanEido1]

@@pabloalfaro2595 I do custom mhd 👍

[@c.c7263]

I have the 335xi, so with stage 2 it's gonna kill it, I'll have less wheel spin from 0-100km

[@ivanbliminse5350]

I have an 08 535xi. It chirps all 4 tires all the way through my pulls in 1+. Running bfg Gforce comp 2s

[@ElRayDelRio]

​@@ivanbliminse5350 my E61 is S1 plus! but why can't I break my tires loose 😢

[@ivanbliminse5350]

@@ElRayDelRio whats your tire setup?

[@ElRayDelRio]

@@ivanbliminse5350 255/40/18 Continental Extreme Contact

[@julians2k917]

What is the real difference between stage 1+ and 2 then? Since 1+ seems to make more power

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Stage 1+ targets more timing, stage 2 targets more boost with the same timing as stage 1. Stage 2+ is more timing and more boost.

[@julians2k917]

@@ZeroTo60Tube Aight thanks for your response. Ill go 2 soon then :)

[@steambao]

Got to try the if the new XHP stage 3 update helps with the times! Awesome video though.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Ohhh man, i am dying to try that update on my black 335i. It will be the first thing i do once the walnut blasting is finally finished.

[@BeatNCancer]

i installed charge pipe, 7" fmic, and stage 1+ mhd tune, was fine for a bit, then got 2cfa and 2ded, then changed the tune to have the linear throttle mapping, then after a pull got 2cec, 2ced, 2cf6, 2cf7, 2d09, 2d61 lmfao. reset mhd tunes and then got 2cfa, 2ded again, i ordered a new throttle body but im curious on if there could be a different issue... what do you think if you have time, thanks

[@skylinerthirtytwo2683]

My code for the ' throttle valve potentiometer ' which I thought a new oem throttle body would fix ( which didnt) kept popping up every now and again for gears,,, limp mode light on... annoying.. was getting brake work done and was on at mechanic, who replaced throttle body earlier, he ended up checking wiring from throttle to DME, fixing and putting some expensive liquid on it for better electrical conductivity. Fixed it for now and got rid of my airbag light too . cheers

[@fjaff]

Nice video. What was your intake temp when doing these pulls? Mine was 125f, ambient temp 18.5c. Is it too high? Using stock intercooler, E92 335i DCT, MHD Stage 1+

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hi Faizal. I can't remember exactly but this car sits around 35-45c in summer after 2 or 3 pulls.

[@DLaVey]

how much power at 18 psi ?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Probably between 350 and 400whp depending on what dyno you are on. I would say 100hp-ish more than stock.

[@vaioi7]

Do you have Catless DP's as well?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No, this car is currently stock DPs.

[@kaelanburke2097]

This is crazy that he is only getting mid 5s with that tune. And ooof that intercooler doesnt seem to be working well at all... :/ i just had a 6in AMS intercooler installed and it didint budge the temp today and it was a 30c plus day and i was doing back to back to back hard pulls at stage 1 94 oct. Was perfect!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

This car would see 70c with the stock cooler after 3 pulls. So the cooler is working, but i wouldnt expect it to work as well as the AMS one, then again the AMS one is 3 times the price. Also a stock car when timed accurately with 2 people in it, will be in the 6's. Have you got a vbox or a dragy yet? They are awesome tools to measure performance and great for measuring what your mods actually do to your car instead of just believing the marketing hype.

[@kaelanburke2097]

@@ZeroTo60Tube ive heard of a vbox but didint know how well theu really work! And yeah i picked up that AMS at 280 CAD;) got it for a total steal

[@charlesbuchanan9158]

Would be nice if you could test an E90 N55 automatic 335i to compare. I have one with intercooler and Mhd stage 1 plus but suspect its slower due to small twinscroll turbo.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

We will put some feelers out and see if we can get one for sure. Tbh would love to have a go in any e90 335i, haven’t been in one yet. Have you seen the m135i we have done with the MHD flash yet?

[@jaydenpocklington1627]

How are you doing rev launches in an auto ? Is this a Dual clutch ?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No stock 6at just brake boosting.

[@jaydenpocklington1627]

@@ZeroTo60Tube not familiar with that, is it just foot on brake with handbrake, and then press ecelorator and release handbrake and brake ?

[@CarViewsGR]

Is this dct??

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No, just 6at. At this point it didnt even have xHP.

[@CarViewsGR]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I can’t decide between 6at and DCT . Will I have problems with DCT when running 400-420hp? ( not bhp)

[@SteveMiguel]

Did you upgrade rears to ps4s?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

No, this one is still on Bridgestones. My black car is currently on PS4s. Plan to do a comparison between the PS4s and the Achilles shortly.

[@michaelcrawford8]

Awesome that MHD finally released the standing burble, I'm going to have to load V9 on mine! I'm very interested to know the difference between MHD stage 1+ and stage 2 as haven't tested that on mine yet. Interesting they don't recommend inter-cooler for stage 2 just catless downpipes, so curious what the actual differences are between the two and what the boost target on each is. I have been running mine on stage 2 for a few months with catless downpipes, still stock intercooler. It's also starting to get cooler in NZ so could probably get away with stage 1+ or even stage 2+ in the winter

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hi Michael, Not sure if you got to the summary part of the vid, but stage 1+ was boosting to 18psi in this car. So i guess thats why they recommend the intercooler. That extra 4 psi would definitely be creating a lot more heat in the charged air. Would be interesting to see what makes more power Stage 1+ or stage 2. hmmmmm

[@michaelcrawford8]

@@ZeroTo60Tube I will have to check what mine is boosting again on stage 2, it's been a while since I logged it. Interesting that stage 1+ boosts 18 psi when 18.5 psi is the Max for ots maps before requiring the mboost option. So guessing the stage 2 maps must be more aggressive timing with similar boost

[@teangawarumatetaka6125]

Chur. Did you have to drop the steering rack for the catless downpipes ?

[@traviswilliams8849]

Didnt you guys install the eBay turbos

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hey Travis, this is a different car. My car is the black one, currently in bits getting port injection and intake blasted. Ebay turbos are still going on.

[@bhackey7816]

Anyone know the hp range for stage 1+ e30?

[@Richard-ck5zk]

Hi guys, curious to know which app you guys use for getting 1 0-100 readings? I just switched to MHD from the Cobb so keen to see what it does.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

HI Richard, We use a vbox sport. It used to be the industry standard for testing cars, but the new draggy system is just as accurate. They are much more accurate than any OBD based testers.

[@Richard-ck5zk]

@@ZeroTo60Tube cheers guys. Just another quick note, if I'm getting a misfire, would I be best doing just the coils, or plugs too?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

If you haven't done either recently i would just change them so you know they are good. Depending on what MHD tune you are running it might be worth looking in to the 1 step or 2 step colder plugs as well. If you get a chance or remember please let us know what you think of MHD over the cobb setup.

[@Richard-ck5zk]

@@ZeroTo60Tube only took the car out for a quick spin to do a log and see the difference. It's quite different. My car has bigger turbos and FBO. I went straight to map 2+. Cobb boost didn't come on till just over 4krpm. I'd often get a low pressure code. Mhd much more linear, but now got a misfire.

[@Wheelsanstuff]

Did the xhp stage 2 and MHD stage 1 on my n55 x1, new Ngk plugs and new coils. Got the cel light after a wot run to redline. Went off after restarting like I’ve seen you do in the n54 many times. Does it overboost if it bounces off the redline? Is there any way to prevent this, other than shift early?

[@nered123]

Hi Jeff, I am a noobie and planning on doing the same tunes to my n55. Are you happy with the results do you notice a significant difference?

[@barnold62]

What tires do you use? When I try 0-60 my tires spin to much.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

These are bridgestones. Fighting the wheelspin is a big problem, you have to be very gentle on the launch.

[@in54ne82]

Great work! Would you guys consider comparing the mhd maps you buy with the free rfptuning maps?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

We will. Just going to let the car run stage 1+ mhd ots for a week or so make sure it doesn’t have any issues and we will to the comparison for the rfp maps! 🚀🔥

[@in54ne82]

@@ZeroTo60Tube Perfect can't wait. Thank you for everything you guys do and detailed explanation!

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

@@in54ne82 Thanks for the support and the comments on the vids. It's comments likes and people sharing that helps show youtube our vids which in turn gets more people to see them.

[@Wheelsanstuff]

Hey guys, just tried to flash my n55 x135 and it failed at the end and the windshield wipers starting freaking out, wouldn’t start etc. Luckily it let me flash it back to stock, just curious if you guys know what I may have done wrong? I did the xhp flash without issue but clearly I messed something up.

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

they can just error sometimes. Just make sure youre battery is good with plenty of charge and maybe even put it on charge while youre flashing

[@richardjung6278]

make sure your key is inserted and ignition on properly (engine light on)

[@9thbitvideos730]

why so obsessed with zero to 60 times, you could do 10 runs and they would all be different, you need to compare 60-100 mph or quarter mile runs

[@dfqnexxus3710]

Any idea to get that pop pop sound witouth a big straight pipe exhaust noise?

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

To be honest, you at least need a muffler delete. Or a decat. This car has the muffler delete, a decat alone will sound similar, but if you have both, thats when you get the real loud noise.

[@waynemarshall1100]

Hey guys what brand / make was the 5 inch stepped intercooler you had fitted ??

[@ZeroTo60Tube]

Hi wayne, its just a china one, this is a link to the video we did on the install if you would like to see some footage of it out of the car kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3KqfGWAZqinrck. You can get them on amazon amzn.to/39bPxt0. If you are in Australia you can buy it from the same seller we did. ebay.to/3bdZBTJ

[@jakubleschtina7734]

something really wrong with your car

[@cocoloco4twinny]

Honestly disappointed by these number. Not really fast at all

[@brent4770]

Try 2+ ; )