BMW M2 CS vs. Exige 410 Sport vs. Cayman GT4 | Trackbattle Hockenheim-GP| sport auto

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@miket570
@miket570 3 жыл бұрын
The cornering speeds weren't bad, but they weren't great either. This is very typical of an intermediate-level driver in a Lotus, it takes more effort to get the most out of it. A driver who can get 80% out of an M2 will probably only manage 60% in an Exige. Given more time to trust the Lotus, most cannot comprehend how late you can brake and how much speed you can carry through corners. If this was a racing series, the Exige would be a category or two above the GT4 and M2CS. Knowing this, I don't blame the driver, it is simply a harder car to drive fast and journalist have little time to learn this. It's like jumping into a single-seater racing car from a sports car, most will lap faster in the sports car because you are unaccustomed to the levels of braking, acceleration and cornering speed. This is the best I can describe it. The driver is more important in a car like the Exige than the others. Don't be fooled, the Exige is on another planet!
@DaEVOthefreak
@DaEVOthefreak 3 жыл бұрын
how right you are Nevertheless, I would also want to classify the Porsche in the exiga V6 category. The Exige is by no means worlds better than the Porsche, but with several laps the Lotus would stand in front of the Porsche in one expert hand. What is often neglected when comparing Elise's and Exige's: the cars barely have the specified power, mostly far below!
@evansc3580
@evansc3580 4 жыл бұрын
Lotus is harder to drive super fast, hence harder to extract a fast time. Its easier to jump in the other two cars with their sophisticated nanny everything controls plus most journalists are not as used to dealing with analogue cars these days. A race driver would get the best out of an Exige 410. These Exiges are the last of their kind.
@johngranger3407
@johngranger3407 4 жыл бұрын
Exige all day long
@amirhashm1
@amirhashm1 4 жыл бұрын
Had to comment. The Lotus was driven softly and with no heel and toe action. Poor show.
@isserdigan2835
@isserdigan2835 3 жыл бұрын
They couldve had all in manual.
@ulischeuer3683
@ulischeuer3683 3 жыл бұрын
Leute, kommt mal runter! Die Jungs von SportAuto können definitiv sehr gut fahren. Aber ich glaube auch, dass in der Exige noch deutlich mehr Potenzial ist. In einen Lotus, ohne die ganzen elektronischen Helfer der anderen, steigt man mal nicht eben ein und zaubert eine Fabelzeit hin. Das muss man sich etwas länger mit dem Auto erarbeiten. Dennoch drei tolle Autos, jedes für sich!
@Vonstroke
@Vonstroke 4 жыл бұрын
What's with the seating position, the fact the GT4 and M2 are DCTs and the guy can't even heel toe? Makes laptimes pretty irrelevant.
@ahemgee9542
@ahemgee9542 4 жыл бұрын
Why is the Lotus being short shifted on all the straights and out of nearly every turn?
@raklert1
@raklert1 4 жыл бұрын
they need to find someone who knows hoew to drive sticks for this test.
@tombuba3640
@tombuba3640 4 жыл бұрын
Lotus ist einfach noch ein richtig puristisches Auto. Gibt für mich kein anderes Auto das mir soviel Emotionen gibt, das ist noch Autofahren!
@alexandersiebert4302
@alexandersiebert4302 2 жыл бұрын
War auch nicht besonders gut gefahren muss man sagen. Ich kann mir vorstellen dass der Lotus es belohnt wenn man sauber fährt.
@notabenex1
@notabenex1 4 жыл бұрын
Exige very poorly driven.. no heeltoe, not in race mode....
@videobyallen
@videobyallen 3 жыл бұрын
Sun in his eyes. Poor performance and conditions.
@RobSpoel
@RobSpoel 4 жыл бұрын
It's been a while since I sat in a 410 Sport, but wouldn't the "SPORT" text light up in the speedometer if you're in the correct mode for track use? Doesn't the car have a lower rev-limit and muted throttle response in regular mode?
@josephantabi6638
@josephantabi6638 3 жыл бұрын
It is true, you do not see the sport or race light on, if it is in normal mode it would be limiting the RPM to 6500 instead of 7000
@oliverunbekannt1595
@oliverunbekannt1595 4 жыл бұрын
Lotus shortshifting...wrong gears and braking points...
@BlatentlyFakeName
@BlatentlyFakeName 4 жыл бұрын
Seen the same thing on some other Lotus tests. It's like people forgot how to use manual gears.
@s13180sxSR20DET
@s13180sxSR20DET 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it wouldn’t have changed the result but this guy isn’t driving the manual that well. Can hear the rear compression locking on downchange.
@marclehmannmotorsports6693
@marclehmannmotorsports6693 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, aber Porsche und BMW teils „überfahren“... beim M2 habe ich sogar das Gefühl der Fahrer hat auf der Gegengeraden einmal marginal gelupft !?!?!? Der Lotus hingegen wurde nicht „richtig am Limit“ bewegt. Wen habt ihr da ran gelassen? Solltet ihr Tester mit entsprechendem Grundspeed brauchen ... ich mach’s 😄😄😄
@fragu123
@fragu123 4 жыл бұрын
...spot on!👍
@jlperformance4701
@jlperformance4701 Жыл бұрын
Hätte der Fahrer die selben Ambitionen gehabt wie bei den zwei andern, wäre der Test ganz anderst ausgegangen 😂 Beim Lotus sah es aus, wie wenn ich mit meiner Frau Sonntags zum Eis essen fahre…. Kommt schon 🙈
@TheHesK9
@TheHesK9 3 жыл бұрын
The Lotus lap was completely unfair. 2 autos vs manual, not in race mode, short shifting, no heel and toe, driver being blinded by the sunset. Could've also used a Cup 430
@mustibir
@mustibir 3 жыл бұрын
i agree. lotus can beat all of them . if not there must be a problem .İt may be pilot.
@mustibir
@mustibir 3 жыл бұрын
by the way auto manual. doesnt matter. if you can use manual properly then you can beat all autos. it doesnt matter how technology they use.
@TheHesK9
@TheHesK9 3 жыл бұрын
@@mustibir yes but this driver couldn't shift well. Lol that's the whole point
@kurrywurst0815
@kurrywurst0815 4 жыл бұрын
Why do all/most of the motorsport-journalist believe, that they are good race or F1 drivers? Reasons: The seat is too far backwards, you can see that during the drive he slip forward to a "better" driving position. Steering-wise we call this "chopping", comes from karting, however this has no place here. To do so, especially before cornering destable the car and makes it nervous. During Rallys this is desirable, on a racetrack it's simply slowing you down, because you losing speed in drifts. Unfortunately, the driver doesn't have a lot of feeling in his right foot, you can hear that on the engine, instead of slowly stepping on the gas, he always hits it hard and leaves the rest to the driver assistance system. In none of the cars, you can't switch off the driver assistance completely, for Porsche (as an example) PSM Off mode and PSM Sport mode, however, during "heavy" braking within the ABS control range, this activates the full stabilizing support of the PSM again - until the brake is released. However the same driver did the test for all cars, so it should be comparable? No, because with the Lotus he drove slower: Come on guys, before a corner during breaking you are shifting EACH gear back? Seriously?
@whitelotus_zero
@whitelotus_zero 3 жыл бұрын
Good explanation
@TanNguyen-hg7yy
@TanNguyen-hg7yy 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who has ever driven a manual on track knows this dude is not rev matching and is slowing the car purely with brakes then dumping the clutch unsettling the car just before the power is put down on corner exit
@vnx_letz
@vnx_letz 4 жыл бұрын
Reifen nicht richtig warm oder warum ist der GT4 so viel um die Ecken gerutscht ?
@vasya3355
@vasya3355 4 жыл бұрын
Alle drei müssen H Schaltung haben um ein faires Resultat zu haben. Lotus ist das Wahre "Gänse haut Auto"
@redlightning5055
@redlightning5055 3 жыл бұрын
Das Gefühl einen Lotus zu fahren..... unbeschreiblich 😍
@60thirty22
@60thirty22 4 жыл бұрын
The driver is god awful
@r1matsta
@r1matsta 2 жыл бұрын
What a fix .... The lotus will kill all , to say the lotus is slower than the bmw is a joke
@MisterMaa
@MisterMaa Жыл бұрын
bmw paid them a more than lotus. sport auto also has to pay salaries
@juhakivekas2175
@juhakivekas2175 2 жыл бұрын
Compare the Sachs curve line between the GT4 and the Exige. He lost probably 2 secs there with Exige with no entrance problems ... and after that it felt like half hearted drive ...can't help feeling it was deliberate? The entrance to Sachs was below par. I believe the GT4 is faster but not that much in the GP Hocke. Have to say, this harmed the credibility of SportAuto. Who was the driver? Gebhardt? I dont think so but this one did no blips too. Amazing for someone who should be a pro.
@bbb12345
@bbb12345 4 жыл бұрын
Lotus for me, please.
@nakmuayfarang
@nakmuayfarang 4 жыл бұрын
Poor drive in the Exige as several have said - short shift, no rev matching, would have been far closer with a committed drive familiar with the car. Cup 430 at Anglesey wasn’t pushed to limit either...
@StartYourEngine
@StartYourEngine 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree about the driving of the 410 in this test. But the laptime at Anglesey with the 430 Cup is really really good. The inboard lap shown in the video isn't the real hotlap. Evo released the telemetry of the Anglesey best lap of the Lotus. And there isn't a lot of room for improvement. When you compare the Lotus time to other cars at Anglesey, the Lotus is actually pretty fast. There is a really good Italian driver that did a 1,56.xx on Imola, wich is faster than a 458 Italia driven by a pro...
@SL1DEwot
@SL1DEwot 4 жыл бұрын
@@StartYourEngine where can we find that 1.56.xx lap time video? And Evo telemetry of Lotus lap? thank you.
@markgtrheyes
@markgtrheyes 4 жыл бұрын
Seen that imola lap, SAS only a fraction slower than a gt3 Porsche
@StartYourEngine
@StartYourEngine 4 жыл бұрын
Research "Exige 430 Imola" on youtube for the Italian fast lap. In Google, search "Exige Anglesey telemetry". It's the first link to The Lotus Forum. Red curve is the Lotus 430. You can see that the Lotus acceleration is not so far the other most powerfull cars, but the driver loose a lot of time switching from 3rd gear to 4th gear resulting in a lesser top speed than it should. In good hands, Lotus cars are very potent, no doubt about this despit what most of the automotive press test seems to show...
@CRM82
@CRM82 3 жыл бұрын
I saw the Imola lap of the 430 many times and I honestly suspect it is fake accelerated. The sound is not natural and especially when it enters the pit the view also does not seems natural. Perhaps I am wrong..
@eddy_6502
@eddy_6502 4 жыл бұрын
You can get all those cars with a manual gearbox, so why not compare them with this configuration it would have been much fair...
@MoJo-2977
@MoJo-2977 4 жыл бұрын
They have already did a lap time with the non-PDK GT4...
@giacomomaurizio2019
@giacomomaurizio2019 3 жыл бұрын
bad driving set up for the Exige... no sense video!
@Rorschach34Bos
@Rorschach34Bos Жыл бұрын
poor gear selection for driver the lotus would have got at least 2 sec faster
@konradabela9262
@konradabela9262 3 жыл бұрын
Shifting on the lotus was too early... the driver has no clue or did this intentionally . I cannot say he did a good job with the other cars neither. LOL The Lotus is way superior..power to weight ratio is completely different then the bmw and porsche.
@FreineTard78
@FreineTard78 4 жыл бұрын
Tests of this type are made with cars which are often optimized or on the contrary badly adjusted ... and this kind of tests are often sponsored ... the result is in favor of whoever pays! For the test of the LOtus, we can see that the driver does not use the Lotus properly, this car impresses a lot at the beginning, you have to practice it a minimum of time to start using it correctly, it is a lot more demanding !!
@y2jace
@y2jace 4 жыл бұрын
Take a serious driver to do this. Wrong driving position, lock wheels on every braking point, drift on every accelleration...thats not how you doin fast lap
@wutgamer6434
@wutgamer6434 4 жыл бұрын
Mich würde mal interessieren, wie viele Runden fahrt ihr eigentlich immer so durchschnittlich mit den Autos? 1 Runde und diese zahlt dann oder 10 Runden und die beste zählt? Bin nur verwundert, weil der GT4 mit Schaltgetriebe fast ne Sekunde schneller war im Supertest vor 5-6 Monaten 🤔
@deviklovecraft3835
@deviklovecraft3835 3 жыл бұрын
Put a driver in the Lotus next time please
@fruitiecrab4972
@fruitiecrab4972 3 жыл бұрын
And all of this cars are available with Manual Gearbox why you not take all with the same. Not with the Automatic.
@jmartprjmartpr9944
@jmartprjmartpr9944 4 жыл бұрын
The GT4 time could have been better...he was pushing too hard and lost traction big time 2 times..
@jhrodriguez08
@jhrodriguez08 4 жыл бұрын
This test driver didn’t heel toe driving the LOTUS what the fuck
@asterioslytsioulis4226
@asterioslytsioulis4226 4 жыл бұрын
Er hält die Exige zurück oder kann er doch nicht fahren?
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
Die Exige wurde bewusst langsam gefahren! Wäre ja auch unüblich wenn ein Englischer underdog die Deutschen Premium Marken in Grund und Boden fährt.
@asterioslytsioulis4226
@asterioslytsioulis4226 4 жыл бұрын
@@56cadillacdude das ist traurig... und ich dachte nur GRIP war hier verkauft aber war ich falsch
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
@@asterioslytsioulis4226 ich weiss genau was möglich ist mit einem Lotus, dieser Test ist ein fake
@jensis
@jensis 4 жыл бұрын
Moderne Fahrer wissen nichts ueber “heel & toe “
@dasschwesterchen1307
@dasschwesterchen1307 4 жыл бұрын
@@56cadillacdude Ein Engländer mit dem Herz und der Power aus Japan. Soviel Korrektheit muss sein. :P Une NEIN, er kann nicht fahren. Die Sitzposition ist ein Graus.
@evansc3580
@evansc3580 2 жыл бұрын
Its not about lap times, its about GOOD TIMES! I bet you I now which felt the best
@J.I.R.A
@J.I.R.A 4 жыл бұрын
Holy crap!! This ought to be the best petrol head video of the year!! Thanks for making it💪💪!!
@alexriera3836
@alexriera3836 4 жыл бұрын
The Cayman GT4 it is the easiest to drive? and that makes it fast...
@danielbiren4646
@danielbiren4646 3 жыл бұрын
That makes it only fast for a bad driver. A proper racing driver would be the fastest in the Exige without electronics to help you.
@HANNON1066
@HANNON1066 2 жыл бұрын
Paid to promote that the Porsche is quicker round a track…
@matteoveneziani700
@matteoveneziani700 4 жыл бұрын
exige badly driven and manual, it does not seem a fair comparison
@mannysingh6618
@mannysingh6618 4 жыл бұрын
Sure it’s fair. Do lotus provide flappy paddles?
@matteoveneziani700
@matteoveneziani700 4 жыл бұрын
how can you tell it is fair? 2 automatic car vs manual car ( bad driven because exige its a lot more difficult to drive )
@mannysingh6618
@mannysingh6618 4 жыл бұрын
@@matteoveneziani700 yes. But that’s what lotus supplied. Agreed it could be driven better
@jangermann1912
@jangermann1912 4 жыл бұрын
Warum beim Lotus so früh schalten? Natürlich so um 2 sec langsamer
@eddsta69
@eddsta69 2 жыл бұрын
How can the lotus be slower than a m2 that goes against the law of physics 🤣
@cedricd.w9983
@cedricd.w9983 2 жыл бұрын
No ceramic brakes and manual transmission
@JeanClaudeJrLefebvreXL
@JeanClaudeJrLefebvreXL 2 жыл бұрын
Manual Transmission, factor that in and the Lotus was the fastest on this track. (Shave 0.3-0.4 for every acceleration 20-80mph around the circuit)
@takkr1979
@takkr1979 Жыл бұрын
@@JeanClaudeJrLefebvreXL not sure. check the other sport auto videos on the same circuit, manual cayman GT4 still does 1.55.0
@nonamerider4953
@nonamerider4953 9 ай бұрын
@@cedricd.w9983….ceramic brakes need temperature or they work worse then normal steel brakes….
@Vds_racer
@Vds_racer Ай бұрын
the car can do more he just dusnt pusch it enough
@haviiithelegogunner907
@haviiithelegogunner907 4 жыл бұрын
Ehrlich? Nicht doll gefahren. Im BMW noch am besten. Porsche und Lotus sollte man so nicht hochladen. :(
@Bagyyyy
@Bagyyyy 4 жыл бұрын
Hallo Hamilton, hab dich nicht erkannt
@fabey2948
@fabey2948 3 жыл бұрын
Dir ist aber schon klar, dass der gt4 PDK hat!!!
@wutgamer6434
@wutgamer6434 4 жыл бұрын
Hallo Sport Auto Team, mit Interesse habe ich als Abonnent den Test bereits in ihrem Heft gelesen. Dabei frage ich mich, warum die PCCB vom GT4 so schlecht abgeschnitten hat? Normal brilliert Porsche doch auf aufgrund der Bremsen (Serien- wie Optionalbremse) immer bei Tracktests. Was genau war in diesem Fall das schlechte Abschneiden? Die Frage stelle ich mir insbesondere als 718 GT4 Fahrer mit Serienstahlbremse. Danke für die Antwort
@mattescarbon7283
@mattescarbon7283 4 жыл бұрын
Der fährt die Exige überhaupt nicht richtig! Vor jeder Kurve im falschen Gang und warum wird so früh geschaltet? Was ist das bitte für ein Fake? Ich kann das nicht Ernst nehmen. Traurig, SportAuto. Gruß ein Exige Cup Fahrer ;)
@Earl_VTEC
@Earl_VTEC 4 жыл бұрын
Die meisten Tester Fahren auch nur noch Automatik oder Halbautomatik da wird es schwierig für Sie beim manuellen Schalten :-D
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
Nur komisch dass ich schon mit meiner 380er Exige den GT4 um die Ohren fahre. Ein absoluter FAKE Test !
@mattescarbon7283
@mattescarbon7283 4 жыл бұрын
Wer selbst eine aktuelle Exige fährt sieht hier sofort,das der Wagen überhaupt nicht vernünftig bewegt wird. Es ähnelt einer Probefahrt eines Neukunden. Es kommen wirklich Gedanken auf, ob so etwas extra gemacht wird, ich kann es mir nicht erklären was diese Fahrt mit einem offiziellen Bewertungstest zu tun haben soll. Die Leute werden nur eins "geblendet". Das Potenzial einer 380er schon beeindruckend und auch der Gewichtsvorteil einer 410er gegenüber den beiden Gegnern ist ein weit überlegener Aspekt,der mit Automatik in keinster Weise bei einem Rundrennen, außer durch ein viel höheres Leistungsgewicht oder noch mehr Potential raus geholt werden kann. Das ist nicht nur meine Meinung bzgl. des verkorksten Tests hier,es ist einfach Fakt!
@leopard2109
@leopard2109 4 жыл бұрын
@@56cadillacdude niemals kommst du einem Gt4 hinterher nicht im geringsten
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
@@leopard2109 du laberst hier was wovon du offensichtlich keine Ahnung hast. 🤣🤣🤣
@johngranger3407
@johngranger3407 4 жыл бұрын
Manual v 2 autos? Would of been good idea tofind a driver who can race a mauaul cos this guys worse than my wife and i aint joking
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
you're absolutely right !
@TP-3000
@TP-3000 4 жыл бұрын
These German vids always crack me up. Get to the lotus and suddenly he’s driving like an out lap... yet at spa and the ring these exige outperform M and GT cars
@juhsztn
@juhsztn 4 жыл бұрын
so cool to finally see a PDK GT4
@automotivetestdriver3473
@automotivetestdriver3473 4 жыл бұрын
Naja...solche Tests.... 1.wenn schon, dann Alle mit Schalter,da ja Alle auch so verfügbar sind. Ihr habt die historische Chance nicht genützt um die letzten Schalter zu vergleichen . 2.Ich mag Alle 3 ,weil sie gut sind, noch irgendwie bezahlbar und für den Fahrspass gemacht sind. 3.Es wäre fair gewesen ein Fahrer zu nehmen der auch am limit fahren kann. 4.Der Lotus ist der Hardcore Sportwagen und ist auch nicht so einfach zu verstehen, deshalb müsste der Fahrer, mit solche Fahrzeuge ein bisschen Training hinter sich haben, um das Potenzial auszuschöpfen. Wenn die Fahzeuge am Limit gefahren wären hätte auf dieser Strecke der Lotus sicher die beste Zeit gefahren.....leider gibt es immer weniger Fahrer die mit echte Sportwägen zurecht kommen 😢.
@DJ-jp6xc
@DJ-jp6xc 4 жыл бұрын
Als track day car immer Lotus vor Porsche und BMW. In guten händen ist der Lotus der schnellste
@terrybilly9967
@terrybilly9967 4 жыл бұрын
Nie und nimmer.... In den richtigen Händen fährt der GT4 den beiden Safe davon! Welche Zeit fährt denn der Lotus auf der Nos?
@cameronmmj9291
@cameronmmj9291 3 жыл бұрын
People talk about British journalist being biased, but I don't think I've seen the Germans stack the deck in their favour this much since their summer holiday in Poland back in 1939.
@johseb1
@johseb1 4 жыл бұрын
Dieser Test ist für die Katz. FAZIT: Wer ein emotionales Zweitauto will, mit dem man richtig Spaß haben kann und was man noch richtig fahren muss, sollte auf jeden Fall Lotus kaufen. Geringer Wertverlust, niedrige „Betriebskosten“, top Track Performance (wie das Auto hier gefahren wurde ist nicht professionell...), super Sound. Habe eine Exige 350 Sport, macht einfach nur Freude :)
@222Dome222
@222Dome222 4 жыл бұрын
Dem kann ich nur beipflichten. Fahre selbst eine 350er und kann den Test kaum ernst nehmen. Der Lotus wurde viel zu defensiv gefahren, eine Exige ist extrem schnell(speziell die 410er), wenn man sich an ihre Grenzen traut. Ein durch die Kurven tragen hilft hier nicht bei guten Zeiten.
@GohardGTRSCars
@GohardGTRSCars 4 жыл бұрын
Kann ich nur zustimmen! Ich fahre eine Exige Cup 430 und dies wäre das richtige Modell in diesem Vergleich, sowohl was Motorleistung angeht als auch Ausstattung wie Sperrdifferenzial, der beim 410 fehlt aber beim GT4 und M2 CS dabei ist...
@56cadillacdude
@56cadillacdude 4 жыл бұрын
Bin früher nur Porsche gefahren bis zu dem Tag als ich eine Exige auf der Rennstrecke testen durfte. Der Porsche wurde sofort verkauft :-)
@constantindressler9202
@constantindressler9202 4 жыл бұрын
Ohne die Nachstellung der Drift-Challenge, wäre im Porsche einiges mehr gegangen...
@Sjomii
@Sjomii 4 жыл бұрын
Traurig, dass sie sich trauen sowas überhaupt hochzuladen.
@Oberhasler
@Oberhasler 4 жыл бұрын
Geniales Trio, das die aktuell 3 besten zahlbaren Tracktools vergleicht. Für mich gibt es aber nur 1 Auto das in Frage kommt, die Exige. Das einzige Auto, das noch richtig Spass macht, keine unnötige Elektronik hat und von Hand geschaltet wird. Zudem auch im Verschleiss einiges günstiger als die beiden überfressenen, mit Komfort vollgestopften Konkurrenten. Ein wirkliches Männerauto (auch wenn einige Damen damit auch ihre Freude haben)! Nur schade ist die Hotlap mit der Exige alles andere als optimal, da liegen locker 2 Sekunden drin, mit etwas Setupoptimierung auch mehr. Man sieht aber auch daran, dass es Sinn macht mit weniger zufrieden zu sein, so kann man am Feingefühl beim Fahren arbeiten und muss nicht alles der Elektronik überlassen.
@Querlenkerbuchse
@Querlenkerbuchse 4 жыл бұрын
100.000 € sind also bezahlbar :D
@gunterweniger8019
@gunterweniger8019 3 жыл бұрын
why does the guy select 2 gears every time on a simple gear change .. that results in a technical longer interruption of power transfer to the wheels on the Lotus. So was it to tell people the Toyota gearbox is bad ??
@grossmeister1181
@grossmeister1181 4 жыл бұрын
Missed the first corner in the Lotus, late on the gas in nearly every corner...maybe do some more driving with the Lotus before setting the time. It's different than these Mickey Mouse cars...
@gtiracer06
@gtiracer06 4 жыл бұрын
Lol...yea it's tough when the car doesn't do as much of the driving for you.
@solidsnake6803
@solidsnake6803 3 жыл бұрын
Schade, dass nicht alle Fahrzeuge mit Schaltgetriebe ausgewählt wurden. Beeindruckend aber, dass der BMW ,im Vergleich zu den Mittelmotorsportwagen, mithalten kann! Ähnliches Preissegment auch noch - sehr schwierige Entscheidung. Porsche ist Porsche - will alles gleichzeitig am besten können, BMW eher klassisch und der Lotus beinahe ein Rennwagen. Sehr schöner Vergleich. Vielen Dank für das wortlose Video.
@christianodornatore5602
@christianodornatore5602 4 жыл бұрын
Die exige ist hier ganz klar das schnellste auto, aber die zeit kommt leider durch den fahrer zustande der von Hacke spitze scheinbar noch nie etwas gehört hat...da muss man sich auch nicht wundern dass die handschalter so langsam aussterben!
@fragu123
@fragu123 4 жыл бұрын
....I couldn’t agree more. The driver isn’t prepared for an Exige!
@spielmacher1991
@spielmacher1991 2 жыл бұрын
Der Fahrer hat aber auch echt keinen Dunst was er macht oder
@chrisgear
@chrisgear 4 жыл бұрын
Im Zuge der Vergleichbarkeit ist es natürlich suboptimal wenn 90 % der Test Hr. Gebhard fährt und jetzt jemand anderes. Man vergleicht ja auch quer mit anderen Tests und nicht nur untereinander.
@DerFeurst
@DerFeurst 4 жыл бұрын
Drei mal quer im GT4, zwei mal hat bestimmt Zeit gekostet...? Eher dünn, so eine Runde dann zu werten.
@DerFeurst
@DerFeurst 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, M2 auch🙈
@finnheimann8656
@finnheimann8656 4 жыл бұрын
Wie Cayman mit PDK?
@GohardGTRSCars
@GohardGTRSCars 4 жыл бұрын
In view of the engine output of the GT4 an M2 CS, a fair comparison would have been with the Exige Cup 430 (has 436 hp) and not the Sport 410! Then it would have been a totally different ball game with more similar power and the fact that the Cup 430 has a slip differential like the GT4 and M2 CS. But SportAuto being a German magazine, the German models had to be in front of the "for the drivers" Lotus, so...
@AlinB1108
@AlinB1108 4 жыл бұрын
The exige is so much lighter than the other two. No excuse for that lap time.
@StartYourEngine
@StartYourEngine 4 жыл бұрын
The 410 and 430 Cup don't have a mechanical LSD. The 430 cup just have a better traction control while sliding. But not really an advantage for a hotlap when everything should be OFF. They are basically the same cars. The driver take it easy with the 410. The laptime should have been faster, and could have been faster...
@patsch1335
@patsch1335 4 жыл бұрын
Abzüglich dem Verbremser bei LapTime 1:06 wäre die Zeit im GT4 sicherlich um einiges besser gewesen.
@tan7258
@tan7258 2 жыл бұрын
Alle drei Fahrten sehr große Fehler drin. Gehen alle schneller
@Corvolet5
@Corvolet5 4 жыл бұрын
Man merkt dass es ein fairer deutscher Test ist, wenn der Brite nur mit der Handschaltung kommt und die anderen mit PDK. Wäre ja wirklich schlimm für den eigenen Ruf, wenn Porsche ein Rennen mal nicht gewinnt (Sarkasmus aus)
@Corvolet5
@Corvolet5 4 жыл бұрын
@@constantin4958 Ich wünschte es wäre so. Bei sport auto sind die deutschen Autos generell besser ausgestattet. Nicht zu vergessen dass der Hockenheim GP keine geeignete Strecke für einen Exige ist.
@Corvolet5
@Corvolet5 4 жыл бұрын
@@constantin4958 Audi R8 mit Cup 2 Reifen gegen Corvette C8 mit MS4S, 991.2 GTS mit PDK gegen C7 Grand Sport mit Handschaltung. Ob Hauptteststrecke oder nicht, man merkt einfach dass vor allem deutsche Autos ihre Vorteile viel besser ausspielen können wegen den extrem langen Geraden. Da kommt ein Lotus erst recht nicht mit Handschaltung hinterher. Das Argument mit dem 488 und dem 720S kann ich aber nachvollziehen, es würde mich schwer wundern wenn ein GT2 RS auf der geraden Linie schneller ist.
@Abarth1368
@Abarth1368 4 жыл бұрын
@@Corvolet5 Handschaltung hat so gut wie keinen Einfluss auf die mögliche Rundenbestzeit.
@Corvolet5
@Corvolet5 4 жыл бұрын
@@Abarth1368 Ja natürlich, deswegen sind auch fast alle Hersteller zu Automatik oder DKG gewechselt... es ist schon länger bekannt dass deutsche Hersteller schummeln wo es geht, mit modifizierten Pressefahrzeugen.
@Abarth1368
@Abarth1368 4 жыл бұрын
@@Corvolet5 das haben sie aber nicht, weil Automatik schneller ist, sondern weil du ein Handgeschalteten Wagen (leider) nicht mehr verkaufen kannst. Das beste beispiel dürfte der GT4 selbst sein - seine Rundenzeit mit Handschaltung war besser.
@snygg999
@snygg999 4 жыл бұрын
should compare with the manual gearbox GT4 and M4CS
@kawamann161069
@kawamann161069 3 жыл бұрын
Leute im Lotus Cup werden 1,55 bis 1,56 Zeiten gefahren. Dann war es nicht ganz so schlecht. Stimme aber mit euch über ein das bei Porsche ein paar Zehntel mehr drinnen gewesen wären. Aber auch Formel 1 Fahrer haben bis zu 3 Zehntel Unterschiede drinnen. Reifentemp,Lufttemp,Asphalttemp,Reifen u.s.w Fahre auch Lotus und finde die Fahrzeuge super wie sie sind. Ist doch nur ein Test.
@DaEVOthefreak
@DaEVOthefreak 3 жыл бұрын
1. braucht ist der Lotus erst mit 10-15 Runden schnell... Der Fahrer hat es schwieriger sich hier dran zu gewöhnen, 2. hat er meistens nicht im Ansatz die verkaufte Leistung zur verfügung. Mit ein wenig "Exige" Erfahrung am Steuer, Fahrwerk Set Up und Nennleistung würde er den Porsche auch unterbieten. Was Porsche trotz des Mehrgewichtes da auf die Räder gestellt hat sucht trotzdem seinesgleichen... Ganz locker alltagsfähig und auf Abruf Performancebereit!
@gunterweniger8019
@gunterweniger8019 3 жыл бұрын
werden die Lotus-Cup Läufe im Winter gefahren ? .. sieht aus als liegt da Schnee an der Boxenmauer - oder ist das bloß die schlechte Bildqualität ?? .. 1.57 bei Kälte wäre ja gut wenn 1.55 - 1.56 im warmen Sommer üblich sind, mit entsprechender Reifentemp.
@timmietz
@timmietz 4 жыл бұрын
M2CS is almost 3 seconds faster than the M2 Comp? Wow!
@taforth
@taforth 4 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised you obtained your fastest time in the GT4, with that much oversteer coming out of the slow turns… The M2 sounded awful inside - did you have the microphone in the trunk or something? Lastly, I can’t believe how slow the lotus was in comparison, considering it should weigh a lot less than the other two and be set up for this purpose specifically.
@nabushdinosaure
@nabushdinosaure 4 жыл бұрын
Those Exige V6 always somewhat post underwhelming laptimes....The 430 CUP for example with even less weight and more power post relatively slow times for its specs...
@rdrg7362
@rdrg7362 4 жыл бұрын
Different lap times classifications for the Exige when tests are performed in the UK by English drivers. Why?
@mannysingh6618
@mannysingh6618 4 жыл бұрын
It’s more likely down to 2 of them having flappy paddles v manual
@mannysingh6618
@mannysingh6618 4 жыл бұрын
@@rdrg7362 maybe different circuits?
@nabushdinosaure
@nabushdinosaure 4 жыл бұрын
@@mannysingh6618 Most of time the laptime difference between dual clutch/manual on models with both options is 0.5s or less...
@tankergraffcy
@tankergraffcy 4 жыл бұрын
well and this was such a shitty lap on the gt4.. soooo much oversteer
@CS-Loc
@CS-Loc 4 жыл бұрын
Sort of. In all honesty the balance stock is setup to understeer slightly. If you look at the lap, he's really hauling ass through a couple corners, which means the front gives up and then transitions into oversteer. My Cayman handles the same way. It means you're pushing the edge, which also means you're going to set a fast lap. 4 wheel slip angles mean you're hustling.
@tankergraffcy
@tankergraffcy 4 жыл бұрын
@@CS-Loc agree mate! Oversteering that much tho certainly kills tenths or maybe secs of your laptime
@CS-Loc
@CS-Loc 4 жыл бұрын
@@tankergraffcy Both of those events definitely were mistakes by the driver, if you will. But you'd be surprised. In karting a lot of times a slight oversteer in one corner was faster then no slip angle and a cleaner steering input.
@Hrtt
@Hrtt 4 жыл бұрын
Porsche’s gearbox is quick
@YourCrew
@YourCrew 3 жыл бұрын
Leider nicht gut gefahren. Zu spät gebremst, zu spät eingelenkt, zu früh aufs Gas beim Kurvenausgang ohne Lenkrad voll ausgerichtet zu haben. Teilweise auch falsche Gangwahl. Danke trotzdem fürs Video. Beim nächsten mal vorher einfach bei der Streckenkunde verbessern. MfG
@bigcharly1396
@bigcharly1396 4 жыл бұрын
Wie sitzt der Fahrer bitteschön vorm Lenkrad! 😂😂 der sollte mal an einen trackday mit Betreuung teilnehmen!😉
@rs7300
@rs7300 4 жыл бұрын
Der Fahrer ist wahrlich nicht der Hit dieses Mal.
@markusflamm3622
@markusflamm3622 3 жыл бұрын
Zwei eisdielenracer gegen einen harcore sportler
@Mrdfastcars
@Mrdfastcars 4 жыл бұрын
Not that well driven really so hard to tell as he seems a bit off the pace and not always in the right gear.
@bosshunterman
@bosshunterman 4 жыл бұрын
You mean during the Exige lap? I have to agree, he was short-shifting constantly and accelerated from painfully low REVs out of Turn 2, 11 and 12....
@markgtrheyes
@markgtrheyes 4 жыл бұрын
And no heal &toe
@massimilianozeni1848
@massimilianozeni1848 4 жыл бұрын
that s because the car doesn t have traction out of the corners, no lsd unfortunately
@StartYourEngine
@StartYourEngine 4 жыл бұрын
@@massimilianozeni1848 you clearly haven't drive a 410 nor a 430 cup. The traction out of the curve is mind blowing even in 2nd gear at low speed. A LSD is not mandatory.
@massimilianozeni1848
@massimilianozeni1848 4 жыл бұрын
@@StartYourEngine it is all relative. It is mind blowing for sure but other cars are now better. And they do that in absolute comfort. I love how the 380 drives but I don't need to over defend Lotus as I love sport cars in general, no matter the brand, and the lotus has the problem I mentioned
@StephanGT-tq4pp
@StephanGT-tq4pp 4 жыл бұрын
Fairer Vergleich!
@moneyparhar
@moneyparhar 4 жыл бұрын
Cayman GT4👍
@Dolby109
@Dolby109 4 жыл бұрын
Lap times: Lotus Exige Sport 410 - 1:57.3 BMW M2 CS - 1:55.6 Porsche Cayman GT4 - 1:54.6
@djangoc9089
@djangoc9089 4 жыл бұрын
Love the Lotus exige 410
@fareselias
@fareselias 4 жыл бұрын
GT4 PDK ???🤔🤔🤔 EXCELLENT !😉👍🏁🏁🏁
@BossHoggJD
@BossHoggJD 3 жыл бұрын
LOTUS... To drive The others to show
@CapoMata
@CapoMata 3 жыл бұрын
I mean seriously guys, not a single person that ever drove or saw a Lotus on a circuit will actually believe this LOL. I love the GT4, but a 380 and probably a 350 as well with a good driver would "kill" it, let alone a 410. The M2 shouldn't even be here. This is hilarious
@exige1255
@exige1255 3 жыл бұрын
Good comment..... A 350 owner ❤️❤️
@r1matsta
@r1matsta 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you , coming from a full on track build m3 to a lotus exige cup watching this video made me laugh ... The guy clearly hates the British lol
@scherzobenhaadi
@scherzobenhaadi 3 жыл бұрын
Naja, im GT4 2 ziemlich heftige Schnitzer, geht definitiv schneller…
@earthstick
@earthstick 4 жыл бұрын
We all knew what the outcome would be before watching.
@Joe-born1986
@Joe-born1986 4 жыл бұрын
Why no speedometer??
@dougmaverick3287
@dougmaverick3287 2 жыл бұрын
Which car is more fun to drive...... always the one with a proper manual transmission. Lotus 🏆 🏆 🏆
@swansmeister
@swansmeister 2 жыл бұрын
Bro get lost and jump off the manual bandwagon just because everybody on it. Manuals make no sense at all this day an age, trafficjams everywhere and once over 400hp a manual is stupid believe me I would know.
@samb2334
@samb2334 2 жыл бұрын
@@swansmeister be quiet. U not a car guy at all. U probs never been in a lotus. But changing through the gears ina fully open box is truly amazing and there’s nothing like it. So yh, lotus wins in my eyes
@swansmeister
@swansmeister 2 жыл бұрын
@@samb2334 typical, I had a Lotus s2 and just sold it so guess again and looking for a 380 sport atm and if I have enough money left I will dct it at Komotec, 20k and this beast is what it supposed to be, a track monster minus the manual shitbox. I have had 3 auto tranny's and probably over 20 manuals, I will never go back to a manual or it's gotto be something realy special.
@swansmeister
@swansmeister Жыл бұрын
@@samb2334 Still waiting on a reply about me not being a car guy without even knowing me, funny I had a lotus isnt it, makes you look so stupid.
@fredericberthou
@fredericberthou 3 жыл бұрын
Best soins is Lotus , no contest 🤩👌
@dudekk08
@dudekk08 4 жыл бұрын
The M2 for me 😏🔥
@davemantov5781
@davemantov5781 4 жыл бұрын
Great GT4! Super chasis.... perfect control with less power against bmw....
@justicewarrior9187
@justicewarrior9187 4 жыл бұрын
Were's the Exige 430 cup??
@erolhuseyin6460
@erolhuseyin6460 4 жыл бұрын
The Lotus should have thrashed the other cars... Strange test :/
@maxisteiger2336
@maxisteiger2336 4 жыл бұрын
The beamer and the Porsche both have dcts and that made all the difference I think. Would have been more interesting if every car would have been manual
@SlippinJimmy
@SlippinJimmy 4 жыл бұрын
Der Gt 4 wäre mein Favorit 🤩
@OVER5TEER
@OVER5TEER 4 жыл бұрын
Only PDK GT4 in existence?
@bshulman5113
@bshulman5113 4 жыл бұрын
I just ordered one in pdk today.
@Sjomii
@Sjomii 4 жыл бұрын
PDK released a few weeks ago. you can order it now, also in the GTS 4.0 models.
@Todaestabien
@Todaestabien 4 жыл бұрын
War das die beste Runde für den GT4? Nicht ganz optimal gefahren, um es milde auszudrücken. Inakzeptabel.
@blackphuma2
@blackphuma2 4 жыл бұрын
Hat der Typ sich nur im bmw Mühe gegeben ?
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