BMW M2 (G87) - Not Pretty but Does its Performance match its Price ? | 4K

[@PetrolPed]

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[@markrhoden68]

Nextbase never again, GW522 constantly shuts itself down for no reason and downloading footage is painstakingly slow if it doesn't fail while doing so. Nextbase dashcams 🐖 😠

[@jameswillard1]

Came from an M2 CS manual and just took delivery 2 months ago of a 23’ M2 manual. My dealer put me down for one like a year ago and I hesitated to even take it when it came in and initially I wasn’t blown away but this car has won me over and I’ll admit that I enjoy it even more than the CS. It’s super confident and stable in corners, feels more solid, engine sounds better inside the cabin, and best of all (and most surprising) the gearbox is far better than it was in the CS. Still don’t love the styling from some angles but far definitely has presence in person that pictures don’t convey. Considering it was damn near $30k less than the CS I think it’s a bargain and highly recommend to anyone on the fence about it

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@SupraSav]

I am on the fence, but on the fence between a Supra and M2. This car is going to be my forever car, and I think that's what will ultimately push me towards the Supra. I don't see the M2 being good in the longterm

[@js002003]

same. I went from a f80 CS to a g80 xdrive to a g87 6 speed. And gotta say I like the g87 the most for a weekender especially with all my mods. the g80 xdrive was a close second (better daily obviously) and the f80 cs a long way off from the 2. bmw really knocked it out of the park with its g platform... and I actually love the styling. the g80/g87 looks so mean and menacing in person.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Another brilliant video mate, thanks for giving it back in one piece 😉 Can't wait to plan next years Euro road trip!

[@PetrolPed]

Can't wait mate. Let’s do it 👊

[@nigelsmith3144]

The offset pedals in a £70k car is unforgivable!

[@nicholastravers9585]

Excellent car. Loads of fun and definitely more power than the stated 460hp. Just bought one after driving 911s for 25 years.

[@phillipchandler8862]

It's a grown up M car in my opinion. We have one in grey and reckon it looks great. Avoided the expensive seats. They're probably great for the track but it's a road car really and the majority of owners won't track them. Only time will tell how it stacks up against previous models.

[@tomashley5869]

To answer your question, it looks good and is ultra desirable. It is in a class of its own, so the price is hardly surprising. That six cylinder is a joy to drive I would imagine. Cheers, Tom

[@PetrolPed]

Yeah it a mega thing 👍

[@briangriffiths114]

Not normally a BMW fan, but I like the looks of this one with the squared intakes. The mass of 1.7 tonnes is in the same ball-park as several EVs, such as the MG4 Trophy Extended Range, but I doubt the usual anti-EV brigade will be suggesting this car creates excess potholes or collapses car parks.

[@tomashley5869]

To do a Joe! Love it!😂 Another great drive Pete! Agree with your take on the seats / the pedals. Great coverage as always! Cheers, Tom

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks 👍

[@ecan533]

Another great review! One thing I use to do in my M135 F21 was lift the armrest to avoid it getting in the way of your elbow/arm, my no means a perfect solution but it gave you room when you needed it. One reason why I loved the M4 CS (F82) without the armrest, just a shame that wasn’t manual.

[@ecan533]

I’d love to say it’s a grower but it’s definitely not for me.

[@chrisginoc]

Made in Mexico in a brand new facility with brand new staff. I'd wait for the 2024 or 2025 for BMW to sort out any bugs

[@TimWilliamsHD]

Top video mate, epic bit of kit!

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks 👍

[@Marthaviews]

A prize shall be awarded for the first video motoring journalist who runs a cleaning cloth over the dash, steering wheel, controls, and so on, before taking close up shots, which show all the dust and finger prints. Not a huge thing, but l reckon the manufacturers would appreciate it.

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@BryceBrown1]

It was love at first sight for me! I'd have one in a heartbeat ❤

[@johnbrown3951]

Not being a BMW fan it is not for me but I do like the styling of it certainly at the back with that square shape and real quad exhausts. I would want the carbon seats but really £9k for that package seems a bit steep as I am sure most people would want to spec them.

[@jamiep61]

I enjoyed watching the Video. One of my favorite BMW M Models 😊

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@KuyaArbee]

I LOVE THE LOOKS! honestly BMW styling is so distinguishable

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@ThomasFish-j3p]

Great video love the videos and pod casts both from you and joe having got the new m2 myself in manual its epic gets lots of attention and POSITIVE views comments 👍

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👍

[@garrymatthews4430]

Great one Pete not sure i would go for the upgrade

[@stevie007]

Styling: bloody awesome Pete ( simple as ) preferably in a dark metallic grey !! my personal preference. But overall a lovely car that has defo road presence 👌👌

[@alisonsmith3817]

I owned an og m2 Great sound but just needed to be a tad faster. Think the last gen m2 comp was the perfect combo These latest cars are to expensive for me these days Thinks I might end up with an m240i in purple

[@Chester-UK]

Yeah I agree. M2 Comp all day long. That purple is lovely by the way!

[@KAM-666]

Is the significant jump in price from the M240i justify it?

[@johnwhitehead4809]

saw the first one in the flesh so to speak at my local dealer, light blue very nice.

[@vedelcarby773]

Brilliant review ped

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks 🙏🏻

[@dyspare1973]

Love the looks of it. I think it’s beautiful. Love at first sight. Ordered one right after I seen my first one.

[@PetrolPed]

Good choice!

[@SupraSav]

I hate big wheels for this reason. Makes the car feel boaty/floaty. My E92 335i came with 19"s on the sport package, I stepped down to 18s **cough** and some super lightweight BC forged wheels **cough** and the car feels so much quicker, more nimble, better turn in. I would definitely run these cars on 19s or even 18s if the brake calipers allow it. You might sacrifice a little of the racerboy appearance, but you will get ride comfort among a whole host of other things(unsprung weight reduction, reduced wear and tear, etc)

[@dancooper2072]

Loving these videos, proper cars. 😊

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you like them!

[@markglover1718]

The carbon roof and interior is standard despite the configurator giving the impression they're part of the track pack. BMW take the pi$$ with the carbon seats - over £9k for the seats, increased top speed and a driving experience event.

[@alasdairwilson4806]

Great review as always.It's a bit too shouty looks wise for me I'm afraid.Power,yes,but in a more understated way would be better. The front and rear boxy squares remind me very much of last Civic type R.

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@markrhoden68]

Are all current M2's interior only available in dark colours, i love the fact that in the M3 and M4 you can get bucket seats in wonderful colour combo's

[@garethjarvis6920]

Hopefully I'll replace my Giulia Speciale with the new M2 when the time comes, it's one car that I've seen on the road that actually excites me by the way it looks.

[@paulbetesta]

Great review led as always 🎉

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks! 👍

[@jjlad5037]

A no brainer...there's a Brooklyn Grey G87 sitting in my drive right now!!!

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👌

[@dangreasley7934]

It may have divisive looks but for me, Yep I love it and would have one in a heart beat. Styling 10/10. Everything else 11/10. Awesome car! What's not to like.

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@markgt894]

How much are BMW paying you to say this?

[@shanewaller2864]

Hi Peter I haven't seen a bmw M car that I liked or loved more than my late 2003 mystic blue e46 m3. Best looking m car ever 🇩🇪❤️

[@audiophilemetallian]

Hello PetrolRed how is it going?

[@PetrolPed]

Good thanks. You ?

[@Marthaviews]

I love the dashcam! I want one! When and where?

[@PetrolPed]

Link in the description and pinned comment 👍

[@ianbanister2027]

Having driven both variants Pete, my stand-out impression was how good the manual was compared to the rest of the BMW ranges manual boxes. It is miles ahead of the usual rubbery feeling shift. For a daily driver, I wouldn't spec the carbon buckets, they are too much (style wise & cost), I'd spend the money elsewhere. If you use it as a weekend & track car only then yes, they are great. Overall, looks aside my experience is positive..... but that 1M you & Joe have borrowed looks much nicer 😍

[@davidthegolfer]

Pete, I couldn’t stop looking at the road surface, just beautiful. What on earth has happened to OUR country. Great content, thank you.

[@PetrolPed]

Couldn't agree more!

[@justinevans1894]

Can't help thinking a second hand previous version M2 with a LOT of change would be a better choice

[@PetrolPed]

Yep 👍

[@FreshDrive]

Great video, I completely agreed you. I would pick FL5 Honda Type R any day over this

[@daemianevans9020]

I like the new look.

[@watchcommander2012]

Another brilliant review video Pete Car sounds and looks great. The unanswered question is does it’s wireless charging destroy your new iPhone15 Pro NFC ability 😁

[@stephenr6194]

For this price point it should made in Germany with quality build right!

[@Digiphex]

Can't be. They have cost cut it to the bone. Using a giant screen instead of designing a beautiful binnacle and switchgear, using heavier materials rather than light but expensive aluminum and carbon fiber, etc.

[@bradleymorgan2646]

I quite like the aggressive look of the M2, very macho.

[@SDK2006b]

All those complaining about boring EV’s - this car is probably your last chance to buy a new performance car with no electric assistance and a manual gearbox. Fill your boots !

[@jimcabezola3051]

I wouldn't mind the styling if I were driving it. The manual transmission would be the big draw for me. Such a rarity in new cars.

[@SupraSav]

I think that's what will make these cars valuable in the future the last true BMW sports car

[@coltoncleveringa8004]

I’m confused with the styling a bit my inner child loves it but my adult self can’t figure out if this is trying to look like a toy car or a bmw. Great review Sir Pete and I do like the color of the car

[@minimafia7616]

Well it’s BMW M2 and yes it’s square and slightly strange looking and little bit wider , the engine it’s great making solid sounds and actually really good you could have in manual then the price it’s little bit expensive and I have experience to meeting them on the track and they still struggle against our GP3 in time trails that give us really good satisfaction 😂🏁Personally I more like the previous generation. Because this second generation trying too hard to be track car but it’s actually a GT car and that’s the problem Really good video love it.

[@leobats14]

Fantastic video sir.

[@PetrolPed]

So nice of you 👍

[@CT-ud7yk]

Looks wise reminds me of MK2 Escort RS2000 X pack. Especially being Red.

[@DjNikGnashers]

Having driven (finally) the G87 M2, I really can not warm to it. What make the OG M2 such a great car (in my opinion), have been toned down for this model. The extra power is not really as noticeable due to the extra weight, and that extra weight makes the steering less nimble, the turn in more numb, and just takes a lot away from the OG's playful driving dynamics. This G87 is really NOT that playful, compared to the OG. I think you should spend an afternoon with an OG M2 on some nice roads (yes you are more than welcome to take mine). I really didn't like the seats Pete, they look good, but they are not as comfortable as the OG's seats. The dash is horrible, no BMW fan is going to prefer a cheap plastic screen over two driver focussed analogue dails. I don't mind the exterior looks, although it isn't as pretty as the OG, it doesn't look 'bad' to my eyes, but it could never be described as a pretty car. I have looked at getting finance on one, but I actually prefer the driving dynamics of my playful OG M2. Power isn't everything, and although on paper it appears a lot faster, in reality it isn't noticeably quicker in the real world. The G87 is between 150kg and 180kg heavier than the OG (depending on spec of both), and that is quite a lot 🙂 It seems to be a safer car, but to me, I would prefer an M car to be playful, and not a GT cruiser, which this seems to be. Half the sound is fake, piped in through the speakers, although it was in the 10 year older OG too, just not as noticeable as the actual exhaust sounded so much louder and nicer with the N55.

[@kuukeli]

thank you for the video

[@PetrolPed]

You're welcome

[@mrlv8126]

I’m not a BMW fanboy…….”but l am now” like you l wasn’t sure at first but now l love it.. l can’t afford the M2 but lm definitely considering the 220i M sport as my next new car..Good 👋🏻 bye Audi and “Hello BMW”

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@gregoryuk]

Sales: Carbon pack extras? Me: No thanks. I'll get a wrap. Beautiful roads indeed.

[@markspinello5015]

Just imagine what the original M2 would have been like if it had this engine and drivetrain...

[@PetrolPed]

Oh yes 😮

[@cjehinds]

Felt like on the whole it was being given faint praise. Your comments struck me as honest and pointed out all the sort of things that I’d expect to notice when picking a car too. Think it shows evidence of the manual being an afterthought as the seat and the arm rest wouldn’t have shown up in an auto. I fear we passed peak Manual “M Car” in the Fxx generation cars. That’s no bad thing just a state of the world we live in now, and I still applaud BMW for trying to make a drivers choice

[@markburton5170]

In a manual demo with standard seats I didn’t notice the pedal offset and found the driving position comfortable. A left hand drive car probably doesn't have the issue.

[@markburton5170]

Biased cause I'm getting one to replace my M2 Comp (both manual). For me the extra convenience and cruising refinement compared to a Cayman or Emira outweigh the less engaging handling or engine sound. It is not expensive compared to a similarly equipped Cayman GTS 4.0 or Emira, and there are no other manual 6 cylinder sporting cars to compare with (sorry Z4 or 240). The carbon seat package is crazy, that money to make it less comfortable and less easy to get in and out. But I'm worrying about the looks.

[@DaleSteel]

I think this best looking car bmw have done since f83 and e60. It's stunning from every corner

[@philipparkes5682]

Hi Ped Lots if things to like about this car, but are they outweighed by the negatives? Seats look great but the seating position flawed and the price ridiculous, sorry the info screen may be a tec marvel, but I hate it. Sound is just right, performance spot on, looks well might just grow on me. Would I buy one, well it sits in a very competitive section of the market, so it could lead to interesting ba ck to back test drives.😉😉

[@owenmcdonald5922]

While it's better looking than many new BMW models, I'm not keen on the additions over the 240i.

[@swanikanu]

Really a drivers car. Manual gear, lot of torque, ... a really fun machine. But ... the design is definitly not what i like. The new M3 Touring, thats more what i like. The small grill, the whellhouses... no, not my favorite. Instead of this car, i would prefer a more light ones... a Lotus Exige 360 or similar. But tastes ar different ... btw I really like your reviews!!

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@andypalin3287]

How the hell did they lose the war! Everything about Germany is precise and organised! 😜

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@peterchimes6719]

Even the trees at the side of the road

[@nigel.w]

The looks will grow on people, I'm sure, but, as said, it'll never be thought of as pretty. In the scheme of things, I think it's decent enough value for money for the power and overall package. However, I think the best value performance car in BMW's current line-up is the M240i, which is significantly cheaper, has been tested to do 0-60 in 3.7 secs, and IMO looks far nicer. Of course, the M240i is a road car, not a track day car. That's fine by me, but if you do want to do regular track days then I think an M2 auto is a very good choice. Personally, I wouldn't choose a BMW manual, nor would I choose those bucket seats. Thankfully, you can get the excellent auto, and non-bucket seats. Peformance-wise, both the M2 and M240i are more 911 rivals than Cayman rivals. The M240i rivals a base Carrera for about half the money, and the M2 rivals a GTS for about half the money. And I don't think anyone makes an inline 6 better than BMW. The i4 2 Series coupes are the rivals of the flat-4 Caymans, and are again considerably cheaper. It's also worth noting that the tech in all the 2 Series coupes is bang up-to-date, whereas the tech in the Caymans dates back to 2012 with the introduction of the 981/991.1 models. I love Porsche and am more of a Porsche person and am certainly not a BMW fanboy, but facts are facts. Of course, no BMW handles like a Cayman. It's horses for courses. The Caymans and 2 Series coupes are very differeent cars with differing strengths and downsides, but would nonetheless be on the same shortlist for all who aren't brand loyalists. *Restricting the choice between the current 2 Series coupes and Caymans; personally I'd choose an M240i for daily use, and for weekend use I'd choose a Cayman GTS 4.0 manual over this M2.* However, if i were to buy a car with track days very much in mind, I'd probably choose a Cayman S PDK (2.5L flat-4 turbo with 350 PS).

[@x8dudtrackdaytoy]

Too big, too heavy. Price point is also mad. Sure very capable car, but getting away from what the whole point of an M2 is. Now basically what was the M3 🤷‍♂️

[@SDK2006b]

In the manual setup, this is basically a modern E46 M3. Once this model goes it will be all electric, so if you don’t like that, then stop complaining 😝 All new car prices have gone up now - e.g. a Golf R with a couple of options is over £50k

[@x8dudtrackdaytoy]

@@SDK2006b Too much tech & weight gs the E46. I completely get your point of course with the next likely being a shite milk float. Yes but a Golf R is also stupid money, again due to modern tech. 00’s were the golden era really for BMW’s Do have to give them credit for giving us a manual option still 👌

[@SDK2006b]

@@x8dudtrackdaytoy - when all car prices are high, you need to adjust your own price thresholds, else every car will be “stupid money”

[@lesedimpomane_sa929]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "Nearly did a Joe."

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@waynemetalart3591]

Like you Pete the looks are growing on me 👍

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you like them!

[@karolmaciejewski340]

I like the looks of new M2

[@davidtennien2806]

In the US we don't get all that filtering.

[@PetrolPed]

Lucky you 👍

[@prakashnarismulu3332]

Those seats are nuts 🥜

[@DjNikGnashers]

Those seats crush your nuts. (fixed it for you).

[@philmonk8422]

So many straight lines on the car always makes me think the rear arches have melted. Boxed arches would of improved it no end

[@markscars1069]

It’s not the worst modern BMW. Which, by definition, is damming with faint praise.

[@davidpegg4516]

Did they design this car using a ruler? Previous model does it for me I’m afraid.

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@PhiveWalls]

In red, the front resembles Optimus Prime even more

[@neilbarden9430]

I just want to go back to those roads. 😂

[@PetrolPed]

Great aren’t they 👍

[@SandyKnapen]

Its a nice car 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@flatsixer70]

...from my point of view the backside looks much better than the front with the squared intakes and kidneys...❤ the back of this car 😊

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@reinmansmith]

I’m sure with the engine/torque power this car has, it’s a hoot to drive. However, at £70k+ I think you are entitled to be ‘picky’….. not lining up the seating position with the pedals is such a basic thing, along with the lack of room for your arm to comfortably change gear. Those are things that would then bug the hell out of me and spoil my enjoyment of the car 😔

[@philhartley7551]

Sit a little higher (you look very low down) and buy the auto, then I don't think the pedal box will be an issue. IMO much better looking than an M4 and in case you haven't noticed, cars are getting very expensive, not just EVs

[@simongibbs3936]

Was it really hot? I think it has melted. Grown up aspiring to and then owning some great BMW’s but this modern stuff is not for me. I’m an old git so I really hope the younger car fans like it.

[@fireblade6756]

Needs 2b 4wheel drive especially in the winter!!!!

[@eileengrady8099]

...which is why I'm considering the M240i xDrive....I do have winter where I live. Reviews indicate the xDrive system is rear-biased so not sure you're giving up much as compared to RWD only.

[@garyg3617]

It’s rear wheel drive you can’t pull yourself out of a corner, you are pushing 😛

[@PetrolPed]

Very true 😬😂

[@martinboulden4388]

You’re a Porsche driver and I am pretty sure you’re not rushing to swap it for one of these ! I could easily drive past the BMW dealer and pick a Cayman over this. Which is a shame cos in many ways it’s a brilliant car !

[@bluegryp]

I agree the porsche looks better but this thing outperforms the base cayman by a lot. The cayman has a relatively pedestrian 300 hp from its turbo 4. The M2 is dynoing at over 500hp from its turbo 6. The performance numbers really aren’t close. Dollar for dollar the M2 is a better sports car bargain, probably the best available, with the exception of a c8 vette.

[@martinboulden4388]

@@bluegryp I would only recommend the GTS 4.0, in the Boxster/Cayman range. The growl of the flat six is addictive. I wouldn’t go anywhere near the Turbo models personally.

[@steve_frampton]

Now that is how to change gears in a manual M2 😜

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@trev8591]

Very Marmite, Pete. If you squint and turn your back it looks okay. I'm not a fan, far too many boxy shapes on the body - a face perfect for Radio. Driving position looks a little compromised, which is surprising for a Beemer. I can see it being a hoot to drive as a manual, though. Far too rare now.

[@M2G87]

Ive’d had carbon buckets in my M4 and would of loved then in my M2 order, but BMW ripping us off with the price considering there a £3.7k option in M3/4 shame on you BMW and lots more customers would of spec them at this price v’s £9k !!!! We don’t even get a 360’ camera that much cheaper cars in range get such as M240i

[@pauldewar626]

Did BMW make the chassis out of lead? How can this thing possibly weigh 1725kg? Ridiculous !

[@ianmitchell9102]

Nearly did a Joe 😂😂

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@MrGMawson2438]

This looks better New BMW 5 Series review - still the best? carwow

[@theloneranger2101]

I think BMW have taken alot of styling points from ever angle, both front and rear from the New 2023 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Redeye Jailbreak.🤔

[@stevenbennett3922]

Peddle box alignment. Hmmmmm. Possible lower back issues.

[@stevie007]

Hi Peds

[@dadsway3611]

What the hell is PS ? What happened to BHP? Am I missing something?

[@PetrolPed]

PS (PferdStarke) is metric horsepower and equivalent to 0.98 brake horsepower 👍

[@DaleSteel]

Surely BMW would of made the trip possible not next base?

[@PetrolPed]

BMW just let us use the cars 👍

[@dkendr6793]

If I was driving it, I wouldn't care about the looks. But if I could only look at it, I wouldn't want it. The four corners look like they have malignant growths on them.

[@richarddelasota1812]

Great review - great car. Two negatives, though. You’d have to pay me £9,000 for to have those seats in my car. What is it with the codpiece? Plus, I’m not crazy about the idea of driving a performance car with a big screen TV for a dash. I would much prefer the simplicity of, say, the Audi TT’s.

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂

[@eileengrady8099]

Yep...save the big screen for iMax theaters!

[@chrisclokey4840]

Styling is awful, and the only reason I imagine that you would buy one is that you need the additional space. You can pick up a low mileage Cayman GTS 4.0 for similar money, which is a stunning looking car, drives superbly and which has one of the greatest engines ever made.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Hello mate

[@rickdorrian975]

Hey Ped I'm afraid I think it's just ugly. Much prefer the last one. I think BMW generally styling wise have become brutish so I'll stick with more graceful older models 😢

[@bizzie1956]

Sorry not my cup of tea at that price and anyway don’t think as an OAP I should have a car like this

[@philipguacci6452]

Very heavy and very expensive. Options also. Our roads down under are poorly maintained. Pot holes everywhere. Not great.