BMW M2 v M4 v M4 GTS: Which Is The Best M Car? - Carfection

[@mmaluchnik]

Glad to say I picked the correct answer and picked up my 2017 M2 last week :)

[@goaliesforpres]

Best car ever I’ve got 40k on mine already

[@cosmicsurfer5911]

M2 M2 M2 no questions asked. Good compare thank you.

[@user-lb7pt6jb3o]

M2 is the only one that's not overpriced

[@TheSnoopy1750]

Ben, in the U.S., there are very few options on an M2 so it's a far better performance deal than an M4 assuming you can wait 6 months for the price gouging to subside.

[@JOFEALVI]

In my country the M2 cost 100.000 USD, and there is only one in showroom, the M4 cost $131.000 USD, with non ceramic brakes or competion package.

[@JOFEALVI]

***** Colombia South America.

[@NoneNone-kp1qc]

+Ben Ewart I don't think you would get a new fully loaded M4 for £54k pale, that's wishing just a little bit even the second hand 2014 plate cars are going for £48k+ for under 10k milage examples. A fully loaded M4 is £70k+ you may get a discount of around £8k of your lucky but your still looking around £63k at a push for a loaded M4

[@KingRavGT]

We went to a BMW Dealer here in Germany and got a M4 for 99,990€ fully loaded

[@Kaisuke971]

The best M car in the lineup right now is in my opinion the 6MT M2. It pretty much represent what the brand is about, plus it's both a modern day E30 M3/2002 Turbo and a 2016 M3 E46.

[@der8423]

an M2 is nothing like an E30 M3 or any 2002, chassis balance is all wrong for starters. Have you driven either of those cars? The closest you've gotten is the E46, it's a more powerful, better handling E46. The E46 was good but did not handle as well as the E30 both the E30 and E36 handle better than the E46. If you want an affordable, good M-car that will only go up in value, I'd stop right at a clean, unmolested E36 M3.

[@ItsMikeArre]

+de r an e36 handled ok but in the us it had no power I couldn't afford an e30 m3 they are well in the 70k might as well buy the m2 so I opt out 4 the e46 m3 and I think it handles like its on rails compared to the e36 m3

[@Euphorica]

+Mike Arredondo us spec is on par with the 3.0 euro. despite what rated hp might tell you. and the m2 is a modern day e36. without a doubt

[@Kaisuke971]

de r Well the M2 is indeed the closest thing you can get to a 2002 Turbo or an E30 M3 brand new. Compared to other cars, it handles pretty much as good as these did back in the days, at least that's the impression i'm getting. Overall yeah it's basically an E46 (even has the same dimensions), but then again the 2016 E46 is the M4. The E36 M3 (3.2) is my favorite M3 gen tbh, Great chassis, timeless look, awesome engine, and insane value (it was probably at its best around 2010 but still).

[@Kaisuke971]

***** I said insane value to mean that it's not that expensive for the car you get. Btw a good 3.2 is more expensive than a regular E46 or an SMG E46.

[@chuckcomeau9179]

Ugh the oh it has to have three pedals to be a sports car? Sports cars really need to be driven on tracks to really experience them. Have you driven or owned or better yet tracked a dct car? They are faster, period. AND they are a blast to drive, makes me feel like an F1 driver. That being said my main track car is a manual, but if there was a DCT option, I would have taken it. You can really threshold brake deep into a corner. And you manual purists, how many can even properly heel/toe? M4 GTS is on my possible next car list, but I had a student with a brand new M2 Competition that was superbly impressive.

[@mancunianlee]

It's very hard to justify the m4 over the m2.

[@Kaisuke971]

Just sit in the car and you'll understand. The M4 is more grown up, more practical, faster in most people's hand, and has more quality to it. This and an actual M engine.

[@ScottZ370]

It's hard to justify the M2 over the M240i honestly. Especially considering they are literally as quick as each other (watch Joe Achilles comparison)

[@samiawda]

+S Miller 240i is great value for sure but you'll always be wanting an m car of you a car fanatic! straight line speed only tells you so much.

[@ScottZ370]

Sami Awda Yeah I know, the feel of a M2 would be something else compared to the M240i. Just saying that the M2 probably isn't in my eyes worth that £15k extra

[@der8423]

If you want a large, luxury barge, are hard of hearing and can't spell Mercedes-Benz, the M4 is right up your alley. If you want a car you will love driving and be physically angry when you have to get out of it, because it means you have to stop driving it, the M2 is the way to go. I have driven them back to back, I bought the M2 and have waited 6 months because as a driver's car, it is better than the M4. The M4 is the first M-car of today, the M2 is the first truly great M-car of today.

[@prettynormalme27]

Joy oh joy! Alex is back! Missed your videos man!

[@mowglilp]

Don't know the name of this presenter, but I want him in ALL carfection videos. Great voice, great narration, down to earth. I'm digging this guy. He also seems quite skilled with the wheel. #nohomo He forgot to mention the M4 GTS's water injection system.

[@mowglilp]

***** Cheers to Alex then. Thanks for the reply.

[@HunyKyr]

He does briefly mention it at 3:38 man.

[@Namabasho]

M4 GTS's water injection system. is the most important thing and he didnt mention it

[@HunyKyr]

are the people commenting even watching the video?

[@msquared6695]

yes he did watch again

[@TorquingCars]

Carfection, always producing some of the best video content around, but it was always missing one thing others got right.... Lot's of slow-mo slidey slidey. Not missing that anymore :D Good job Alex and co!

[@CrazyGreek80]

01:40 what watch is that I luv it!!

[@kevingeist1307]

M2 for ever 😍... Best looking and sounding car

[@kevingeist1307]

Small is always better

[@minibus1351]

I doubt anyone would daily drive the M4GTS considering it's already a collectible car.

[@E60.M5]

Check redleb1 on Instagram. He daily drives his GTS

[@matthewbonciu2444]

Good videos you're doing mate! Keep it on!

[@ChrisSs993]

I've seen the GTS in action and it is quite loud actully, which in my book makes it awesome

[@WesWilliams95]

I would kill for any of these

[@MajorLeagueBassboost]

You teased it so long ago... now it's finally here! yess!

[@freakincrazy6932]

Where did this guy go? Haven't seen videos with him anymore??

[@ncjohn3429]

I own a 2015 M4 , a 2016 M4 GTS and a 2017 M6 coupe . All three seven speed double clutch cars. I drive my GTS everyday . I removed the roll cage ( it's just dumb ) and now the little GTS is a real business coupe capable of immence cargo capability .in my opinion the GTS is purrfect. Comfortable , great seats , GPS , A/C . Incredible performance , I opened the exhaust flaps , raised the wing . It's wonderful . People say they ride harsh , those people never drove a Hemi Cuda , to me the GTS ride is tight but not bad , at all . The price is high , but worth every penny . With the cage removed it hauls WAY more cargo than my M6 , more usable than any Porsche or corvette....and it's just plain fun. Always makes me smile . Most reviews on the GTS are looking at the car from the wrong viewpoint . Thank you Lord Jesus for blessing me and thank you BMW for building incredible automobiles .

[@d0718]

Hi Alex/Carfection! For daily use and enjoying the car, which one would you recommend: the M2 or the 718 Cayman? Thanks :)

[@ChrisDorgan]

who'd have thunk we would be saying that 18 months ago :P

[@d0718]

+Carfection Ok, thank you!! :)

[@porschecarrera3684]

718 with a sport exhaust will be a proper sports car.

[@muhammadfariq2916]

the name of the watch pls...

[@thorne1517]

Alex as always making a great review and a compelling argument of the best M car with particular use of the the word Fettle I like the word fettle

[@3mmhandle]

@Carfection - your gascap was open @3:34

[@richiechou1605]

Wow so many salty purists here. As a BMW owner and fan, I still think they're great cars.

[@ashman0071]

I own both an E36 M3 and an E46 M3 - great cars BUT - it's getting to the point that no one, especially the Dealers, can service them Properly - BMW has S@#t customer relations for people like me - You Have Been Warned .........

[@DeusExAstra]

The M4! Much better overall styling, quality, and comfort. It's just a beautiful car, even if the M2 beats it in certain areas.

[@Vazztudio]

I like that watch! ! anyone knows where to get it?

[@Vazztudio]

brand or model?

[@claymiller55]

3:37. Y is the gas cap open

[@samiawda]

another great video, thanks very much. You put you opinion together so well. Another win for the underdog m2.

[@emilef4569]

What's the name of the song that appears at the end of your videos? I've tried Shazam'ing it and I've tried Googling the Lyrics with no luck.

[@gerardpcollins]

+Carfection The song at the end of the video is by a woman. Can you tell me the name of that one? I tried to find the Bruce Maginnis song and none of his songs were the one with the woman singing in it.

[@emilef4569]

Thanks a ton!

[@heycanada1587]

I have a coupe 4 series but I'm looking to upgrade do u think I should get a m2

[@toddlithgow]

just don't get an m4,save your ears the torture of that horrible engine.

[@LivingLifeSlower]

+todd lithgow Have you driven it or just listened to audio over the Internet? it's completely different.

[@toddlithgow]

Martin Allen well at least from the outside it doesn't sound good,personally I like smoother more linear sounding engines as they go up the rpm range.

[@SenszR]

It doesn't sound nice.

[@CarswithB]

As an M4 owner I would recommend the M4

[@kzbzdau]

Great review and a great presenter.

[@willporter2666]

The watch that dude is wearing is bloody awful. Enjoyable video regardless

[@M3Conv]

Its more of a clock than a watch :)

[@ricardorusso1462]

i was wondering if anyone else had noticed!!! xD

[@chpstaker]

What kind of watch are you wearing?

[@meean8799]

Another top review. keep it up.

[@jupitersamjk]

Great review Zcar

[@thelian_]

Very good video and comparison but, man you should get a good watch sponsor, and make a good money there. Just saying.

[@davidviner4932]

That’s all that matters then, you can’t drive a watch

[@troypower4733]

While the M2 is a good drivers car it is BMW's price point offer to a market that cannot inhale a M4 and looks like it inside. Give me the M4 all day long, more of everything and is a great drivers car too....with a lot more power with the competition pack which does equal fun.

[@billpeyton5305]

Agree Troy, just bought an M4 and love it. Never had a car that puts a smile on my face like this one, great for everything.

[@billsurlatete]

Yes it’s cheaper but it’s not a market designated purely by price. For me I cross shopped the m2 with a 911. The m4 isn’t on the radar for me.

[@TheLightning2312]

Nice content XCAR!

[@StephenButlerOne]

Fantastic video, as usual I may add. why your subs aren't bigger beggars belief. The M2 is the one. A true successor to the M3. I loved the 1 series Coupe/mini saloon, the 1M 135i is super, and the M2 has refined it. I'm not sure which is better, well the M2 is better, but the more raw 1M is a mighty car also. The M4 styling just isn't right, it's tying to be a Coupe, but for me at least, it just doesn't work, it's too big at the rear. From the wind mirrors back it reminds me of the vauxhall Morano, which in its day was cool.

[@megatafiq8741]

The M4 of course

[@mr_exia]

1M coupe was my favourite

[@ericking8402]

Where is this guy, I miss his reviews in carfection

[@MTreddevil12]

How different in person does the GTS sound to the regular m4? I feel the m4 should of sounded like the GTS from the beginning

[@ScottZ370]

That M4 GTS sounds great, that's how the M4 should have come out the factory and then nobody would have complained about the noise!

[@E60.M5]

Marketing lol

[@PorscheGTRSWeissach]

yes, true!

[@jortepap]

dude.. -_- there something for the normal M4 called THE M PERFORMANCE EXHAUST. It sounds as good as the GTS. They just want people to pay extra for it. Sooo many brands do this! Its not that BMW cant make great sounding turbocharged cars... its marketing.

[@wuugie]

how many pound-foot of torque has your watch?

[@Franzino]

@ Alex: if you needed to pick between a manual or DKG M2 as your daily car.... Which one would you buy? By the way; nice channel and keep up the good work. Your intial M2 review made me interested in the M2 and in the end order one :)

[@TuddecBMW]

This was awesome and omg I want them ALL

[@gmr409]

Can anybody identify the song at 10:34?

[@gerardpcollins]

Google Back to Blue by Bruce Maginnis

[@gmr409]

+gerardpcollins Yes, that's it. Thank you.

[@washingtonconsultants1041]

M4 GTS is awesome if you live in Germany near the Autoban.

[@adisafwan4425]

what's the name of the song at the very end?

[@ChrisDorgan]

Is it just me or do the door pulls (on the GTS) look like normal door handles. You can see them when he turns the wheel?! I want to put that GTS front splitter on a longbeach blue M2 and instead of the gold highlight around the bottom get the LB blue. Throw on the Akrapovich Titanium Exhaust and paint the black parts of the M2 alloys LB blue... hmm maybe leave the wheels... but yea make a mini M2 GTS :D

[@ChrisDorgan]

also, a bit devvoed there's no lap times... even just all you guys having a go in them!

[@aaaronic_arts]

The door pulls he mentions on the GTS to are just straps release the door latch, not the standard grab handles that shut them.

[@ChrisDorgan]

5.45, but that looks like a regular door handle to me for opening the door, like that on ma 2 series... so the door pulls are just for pulling the door closed? Not opening it. Confused .com :P I'm not being funny I just see both

[@aaaronic_arts]

+Chris Dorgan Yeah, you're right. Well I guess those straps are to close the doors. Seems really pointless, and at an odd angle.

[@cantavukcuoglu4375]

M6 grancoupe is the best for me. I know its heavy and all but it's just too cool.

[@SuperGolfguy]

You nailed it... Heavy😕

[@Manjunn]

This guy, second favourite presenter behind Chriss Harris.

[@JiuJitsuM4]

I have a 2018 M4 Competition Convertible and I have zero complaints. Incredible daily drive, and definitely turns heads everywhere I go. It turned more heads than my 2011 Gallardo haha.

[@Alan41363]

why without competition package?

[@cthis4786]

Even a decade ago with E series of M cars, they were ahead of its time. Too bad those engineers are too old or have retired.

[@ejs93033]

The question is... which would you take for non-track use.... M2 or M235i?

[@BestMillimeter18]

The M2 all day. It's only a few grand more than the M235i, unlike the 340i and M3, which are almost 20k apart.

[@ejs93033]

I heard the m2 is all around noisier. I like engine noise but I can do without tire and wind noise. Supposedly, the m235i is better in this regard.

[@jby2009]

+davedavis m235i xdrive is the way to go，but wait 1 year and get the m240i xdrive

[@nikb6528]

+davedavis You're getting old and cranky if you can't handle some cabin noise.

[@oscardominguez1680]

+Nik Brudar Sup bitch

[@MF-pm5dh]

saw title content: instant thumbs up. thx. peace.

[@elwynll]

fk the m2 looks so good. beast color too

[@wahash316]

as u had all the cars and a track available then why not a time lap or a drag race ?????? why why why.

[@Imleocalm]

Any car that's not a manual will NEVER be a proper drivers car smh.

[@121314156171819]

the perfect line to say when you lose to a dual clutch

[@hansklostermann117]

jesus, then get an M2 or M4 with a stick. BMW at least offer both. AMG and RS only offer dct

[@TheBolestuff]

I had the same opinion for most of my life. However, times change and a solid DCT is no just a quick shifter. The stand out advantage is having both hands on the wheel when you are at or near the limit in the turns, especially when tossing the quickly weight back and forth quickly. I own two manual, an SMG, and a DCT, and I love them all. I think most people don't understand is it takes time to learn how to use a transmission with a hydraulic clutch. It's like playing an instrument, and when done well it is not only rewarding but fast That being said I will never own an automatic!.

[@billpeyton5305]

I have an M4 with a DCT and before I bought this I thought the same "manual or nothing". Not anymore such an incredible technology. So much fun

[@andrebvs1994ctba]

everyone is saying that the size difference between the M2 and M4 is huge, but today I saw a M2 and a M3 parked side by side, and the difference was so little. The M3 (and so, the M4) is just a little longer and larger, but not much

[@OwenJackson]

M2: would you spec a manual or DCT??

[@onemoreroll]

Owen Jackson I know the DCT is faster on track(which is why I got a DCT e92 M3), but you’ll realize that the more fun manual has a lasting feeling that you just don’t get with a DCT. Listen to the annoying purists and get the stick

[@Aron-ru5zk]

That wing on the m4 looks like something out of 3D tuning

[@DBGMLV]

Buy a standart M4, put some bolt ons on it, cage it, put some racing seats in it and a nice suspension, get a better driving, faster and cheaper car than the GTS, profit $$$.

[@ItsMikeArre]

A car with after market parts will never make you any profit what you want is strictly oem parts on your car will you have a faster better handling car for half the price of oem parts ? possibly but their is no way it'll make you profit it'll most likely devalue it even faster

[@furriaverrde]

He said profit $$$, as in a modified M4 would be cheaper than a Gts.

[@ItsMikeArre]

+furriaverrde he is using the word out of context

[@M3Conv]

Until you come to sell it M4 GTS = Profit M4 Mod = Depreciation

[@oceanthirteen1628]

The one thing the early M2 missing was the “M Power”

[@donperrignon]

Isn't the M6 Grand Coupe faster than each of these?

[@xirfan]

M6 is best for the track as it's too wide for all other roads.

[@TheSnoopy1750]

The M6 is a joke as it's more of a plush, albeit fast, cruiser than a true M car.

[@donperrignon]

+JosephM1750 The M6 Gran Coupe. Not the M6. Unless I can remember otherwise, it's the fastest M right now.

[@TheSnoopy1750]

Ryan Lewis Fast, but definitely not an enthusiast car IMHO.

[@donperrignon]

+JosephM1750 I get that, but does it get faster lap times?

[@paxtonb7202]

So what is (In your opinion) the best looking BMW

[@shayorrahman8733]

5:58 awesome watch! any one care to explain?

[@applebitefool]

The GTS looks so damn good.

[@Osamium99]

His watch is just perfect.

[@BraveNewwor1d]

M4 gts has a lot of issues. From the discolored carbon to the car not wanting to go into reverse, accelerating after letting off the gas pedal.

[@robertabageru7000]

The video dosent work for me over 7 min+ ... whats wrong?

[@MrXdongx]

name of the song on 0.35

[@DriveThruo]

Comparing 3 different car made for 3 different customers. If this video is to showcase what the E30 has become, then it makes sense.

[@MadelnMachines]

Does this apply to the M235 over the M435i - "The most usable and entertaining by a fair margin"

[@simmey2011]

The last M cars produced were the e90 m3, and e60 m5.

[@Gilliatt83]

thank you

[@lilguydoingit]

But the real new E30 is still the surprisingly fast forgotten 1M coupe. I think that the 1M was the first sign that BMW's engineers realized they have omitted one very important thing in the E90s ..... the soul. And the 1M was the 1st "sports car" that showed us that BMW is back. Or it was just a marketing thing, in order to get even more people on buying overpriced technology, making the first argument irrelevant :))))) I'm sure it's one of these two. 2RBO

[@tigerbalm666]

M2....Shelby GT350....Cayman....wut to own? Such tough choices these days!

[@IRMedia1]

Was so disappointed when they got rid of the M3! The M2 is basically an M3 now though, so all is good!

[@user-lb7pt6jb3o]

Turn signals not included

[@harrisonschmidt7596]

Great video!

[@sk8mees]

which M car is best M car?

[@Coxy002605]

My M car is best M car because plaid cloth interior.

[@sakk1192]

what about m6

[@jancovanderwesthuizen8070]

Too heavy

[@sakk1192]

+The full Enchilada it has more hp and is fast as hell

[@nikb6528]

+Sakk 1 It's the ultimate GT car, not by any means a track car.

[@Kaisuke971]

Yeah they should've included the M6 Gran Coupe competition pack. Apparently, this car is very, very good. Track or not, you'll drive them on the road most of the time, M cars are about an experience and not a laptime.

[@nikb6528]

Kaisuke971 True, but they were looking for E30 M3's successor, so M6 doesn't really fall into that category.

[@imthebestdirector]

can you fit a M4 engine into a M2?

[@luminis9708]

The engines are pretty closely related, so I'd think so. The M4's S55 is basically a trim level/high performance version of the M2's N55 .

[@imthebestdirector]

That would be awesome,for me only cars with more than 400hp get my attention.Thanks

[@samiawda]

yes this has been done already www.topgear.com/car-news/modified/gold-621bhp-modified-bmw-m2

[@imthebestdirector]

Thanks

[@meady200]

And now of course it is in the m2 competition

[@paulyishere]

Castle coombe ?

[@arsalansvlog]

Suggestion- Don't put press images as thumbnail. It personally irks me out

[@sifisoshezi2321]

It does feel rather awkward to talk about the best of M// cars, and not enlist an M3. Really strange!

[@sharsasuke01]

Why is the M3 never included in these face offs?

[@urgetodrive]

1:58 "Scarcely bigger than the E30"....bullllllllll....sssssshittt! AYFKM? In what dimension?!!!! The 5th?

[@emptyskullify]

How about I DONT buy a BMW with a turbo and a DC transmission and a proper v8 vantage as a midlife crisis car

[@SuperGolfguy]

Vantage? Ok, those are sweet😏👍

[@owenkaufman6793]

With an unlimited mileage bumper to bumper warranty?

[@SenszR]

Who asked you?

[@AArata63]

BMW are for younger drivers, or drivers young at heart.

[@thomasyi]

Or you can get a bmw m3 e92 with a V8...stick shift

[@coureurdebois]

so the M2 is the "spiritual" successor to the original M3 while the M4 is far more focused on the GT side of things.

[@iantownsend5480]

M4 has at least 425 bhp & that's to the wheels to the crank nearly 500 bhp

[@garydeandeery]

So drove out with a 120d msport £14grand not the same lol

[@hmm2928]

i badly want petrolicious to do car reviews :) they are so awesome

[@hmm2928]

***** ya ik! but still the each epi of petrolicious! and their shots are so awesome !

[@ethanmiller1050]

Why would you want to buy a M4 GTS for a pure track toy when you could go a Caterham, Atom, 360 Challenge etc...

[@BoxingWave]

Man I want that E30

[@d00mch1ld]

Nice watch.

[@LivingLifeSlower]

When the e30 M3 was released, your average £9000 per year common man couldn't afford one.

[@THE_Michael_Westen]

Given the keys and the choice....I´d take the e30 any day of the week.