Bmw N57 Timing Chain Replacement

[@krzysztofkrz221]

While you had sump off, it's good idea to check crankshaft bearings as these engines not great on that point.

[@Breadstar90]

Can you change them while sump off?

[@zvety6450]

@@Breadstar90i think he means rod bearings, and these you can change with sump off yes

[@nemz7505]

Really useful content for those wanting to take this job on (subbed) as you say get timing kit with the the high pressure fuel pump puller - makes things so much easier.

[@francisplj]

Great video. I really appreciate how you use common seyto explain a fairly involved procedure. I w😊 wish you lived in Australia

[@powertech6816]

i wish i had a ramp do it myself , the satisfaction you would get

[@zooplanet5809]

Thanks for video!) Thanks for work! Very happy with that garage!

[@priveprive7386]

Does the 2017 330D LCI also suffer from these problems? I mainly see "early" models of the N57.

[@luckgrip252]

My N57 has 212k km, planning to change the chains at around 250k km for preventative measures. Doesn't have any signs of chain rattle/swooshing, still operating nice and smooth. I'm more confident towards 250k -300k km because I'm changing oil every 10-13k km with Prolong oil additive. Saving this video for the time when chain change will be due.

[@adamx1748]

What is the service interval recommendation for the 320d n57 engine?

[@luckgrip252]

Currently at 265k km, no chain related issues, decided to go until 320-350k km (oil changes consistently at 12-14k km range)

[@luckgrip252]

​​​@@adamx1748The intervals somewhat depends on the issues that can appear. Some change the chains mid 200k km (120-160k miles), some which have had oil change intervals every 10-15k km (6-9k miles), can last up to 350k km (180-210k miles) with chains (mostly guides) that are still in pretty good condition given the popularity of them failing. My target chain replacement mileage will be around 320k km And also, 320d has N47 2.0L diesel engine, 330d has N57 3.0L diesel engine.

[@adamx1748]

@luckgrip252 thanks for the info, my 320d has the B47 engine. Apparently it has improved slightly with regard the chain. Mine has 112k miles and no chain issues to date.

[@moekakke]

Great video... i just placed a new clutch and flywheel... Now when joyriding this week i heard noise... lost power and engine oil light went on. First i tought it was the turbo now i took the turbo out and it seems to be in more bad dan good condition but not that bad it would not make pressure or spin anymore or to be so bad it would not buil up oil pressure... I also had the hard brake pedal right away when the noize and oil warning light ocured. So now i think there must be something with the oilpump and maybe vacum pump. Hope it wont be too bad.

[@The777Garage]

Sounds like something to do without oil pump or them balance shafts on side..vacuum pump is driven by them..hope that makes sense

[@moekakke]

@@The777Garage thanks for the reply. Yes i also think it could be the oil pump. But what is the balance shafts ? And so if the oil pump fails the vacuum pump wil also fail ? I just hope it is "only" the oil pump and not the big end bearings... Anyway how can this oilpump fail it only has 110.000 miles on it are they so weak ? Damn !

[@aceace5457]

truely informative thank you very much.

[@bimmerboy2276]

Question- if the lower timing chain has come apart and now have no HPP fuel pressure. Engine was cranked over a few times after stalling out. Would damage have been caused to engine since the cams are not spinning?

[@The777Garage]

Need to take the cam cover off to see if any followers damaged if not ur good

[@torquesteer2657]

Great video! Did you also fit new o-rings and seals to the injectors when re-fitting them

[@nemz7505]

You should always replace, after the copper has been crushed it work hardens and won't crush again. You can heat with a blow torch till red hot and reuse at a push, but better replacing.

[@rosssmith9941]

Great video is there an upgrade kit so this doesn't happen again?

[@antoniohinojos3808]

Yes, the revised chains and tensioners from BMW.

[@wiktorszm8554]

Is it same procedure to b47 ??

[@mowglilp]

What timing chains do you buy please? Original or some aftermarket are better? How do you release fuel rail pressure and how do you pressurize once put back? Thanks

[@Assimilator1]

By the time you get to the fuel pipes most of the pressure will be gone anyway, but to be sure you could just put a rag over the 1st injection nut you loosen to contain any fuel spray. As for getting it started, ideally you'd use some diagnostic kit to bleed the system by running the electric pump. But you should just be able to crank it until it fires up, if you haven't disturbed the fuel filter it shouldn't take long.

[@mowglilp]

@@Assimilator1 thanks!

[@chris-living-the-dream]

good to see it can be done with the engine in the car .

[@kriszml]

Yes you can do the timing chain while the engine is in the car but that is waste of money. Around 200k km the bearings are also gone. In order to change the bearings you have to pull the engine. It is not a big deal to pull the engine on these cars. While you have the engine out and the timing off is worth to rebuild the bosch cp4.1 high pressure fuel pump prevent the damage of the whole fuel supply system. Also by this milage the intake and all the ports are full of junk and needs to be cleaned. All of these just normal servicing on the n47-n57 engines.

[@chris-living-the-dream]

@kriszml I got rid of mine at 85 thousand miles , I could do the work myself but what a pain , if you go to the trouble of doing the chain ,pump and bearings it would be worth getting the turbo's checked or reconditioned.

[@kriszml]

@@chris-living-the-dream Sure but the turbos normally last on these engines and when you have the engine out its easy to check for wear.

[@chris-living-the-dream]

@kriszml good to know ,, it was a lovely motor for sure but I ended up selling it and buying a maserati granturismo 😊

[@voodoocars2134]

Can you rebuild my vanos on my m62tu 4.4 for me? I’ll pay of course. I’m serious. I saw you build up the V8 the other day. My X5 has noisy vanos and I reckon you are the man..

[@The777Garage]

Yeah

[@marcusevensson3687]

I have a 2011 BMW X5 40D E70 (N57 engine), is it possible to replace timing chains without taking the motor out? All previous videos I'v seen on X5 E70 they all have removed the engine. I guess it should be pretty similar to the model in this video.?

[@Themosthatedman]

Should I change the oil pump when I replace all the chains? The previous owner of my car changed all the chains but not the oil pump.

[@Assimilator1]

Personally I wouldn't (and am) not going to bother, unless you've had any oil pressure problems. I've not heard of oil pumps being a regular problem like the chains.

[@movilesdonosti734]

Really useful video It is possible to replace with same procedure on bmw X3 f25 30d? Xdrive Without remove engine?

[@antoniohinojos3808]

Yes, but either trans or engine have to move, your choice. xDrive is annoying because you have to drop the front axles and drain the front differential to remove the engine in an upward direction. They're built to drop the entire axle/trans/support all together. Good Luck!

[@ericwheeler2428]

Thank you! Was this an xdrive? If not anything different on that job?

[@The777Garage]

None x..yeah I recon subframe needs to go down and obviously front drive shafts and diff

[@jamesb6018]

Can i only replace TOP timing chain to get rid off noise?

[@daniellll6470]

great video! keep them coming

[@yamahattr6006]

Nice job 👍😎

[@1995RangeRover]

Not sure why BMW designed the motor's timing chain to be serviced this way🤔. Good vid for a DIY guy/gal who wants to own this vehicle...nice vid bro!

[@Assimilator1]

Cos their design teams are tossers! lol

[@pistonhead31]

Very good explanation. MANY THANKS 👍Where are You from originally Buddy if I can ask? 😜

[@The777Garage]

Latvia

[@claudiutalagiu6496]

Hi man. New to the channel, and new subscriber as well. 🙂And in search for resources for this job. Amazing and to the point video. Thanks a lot! Could you please tell me what is really the mileage for this job? I mean my F11 245bhp 540 Nm from 2010 (n57d30a) has 203000 km. Would I take a big risk driving it for the summer and doing this before winter, or should I just go ahead ad replace it? Cheers.

[@The777Garage]

Hi! Thanks Amm ..these engines are really good and i love them same as m57z,but just need bit more attention..this had 150k miles ,and no sign of bad chain or anything,but as u saw this engine seen regular oil changes maybe thats why..I personally would replace 100-150k Miles And would drive it without worry..last thing u want break down and big repair bill

[@szw3615]

very awesome video thanks for sharing your exp .. bmw tells it needs 17 hours work for a time chain changing , how many hours it takes for ya ?

[@The777Garage]

Probably less than that

[@nemz7505]

You can do this on your driveway in a day and a half

[@dannygeed9322]

@@nemz7505 started in October last year. Still sitting on the carport unfinished.

[@petere4595]

@@dannygeed9322 how come?

[@arvydasmilius8514]

In your video you mentioned maintenance manual books. What king of maintenance manuals you are using? P. S. Great video. Thank you for shareing :)

[@antoniohinojos3808]

ISTA 😉

[@jcs1517]

Roughly how much is the parts for it in the UK?

[@The777Garage]

Parts £400-500 ish inc fluids

[@anonymous4201]

@@The777Garage hi, new subscriber here. Where in U.K. are you based. Could you do this job for me as a preventative measure? Thanks

[@nsarov]

Awsome man ! Thanks a lot !

[@yhfsywfit]

Great video of a beautiful engine.

[@srdfcgvhbn]

hi,mate, for n47d20c manual engine, I have removed the dual camshaft ( to checked for rocker arm and valve damage) . flywheel off already. how can I set up the timing correcly after ?

[@The777Garage]

U need special tool…also there’s loads videos online how to..same procedure as 3.0d

[@LouisOrme]

Awesome video as always 👌. Has the e38 giveaway been done yet?

[@The777Garage]

In process

[@asimhumayun7428]

Great video Ed, very helpful. Why were the chains replaced? Where they worn, or was there noise or changed as preventative work? How as the inlet manifold - was it coked up? Thanks

[@The777Garage]

They tend to snap randomly..no signs of rattle or anything..that’s why around 100k u supposed to change..n47 2.0d is even worse for timing chain snaps

[@asimhumayun7428]

@@The777Garage I have an Alpina D5 with over 100k. Better get it done! How many hours do you need to do the job?

[@nemz7505]

When badly worn the top chain makes a rattling noise starting from cold, which goes away after a few seconds - this is usually a combination of a worn sprocket, chain and weak tensioner. The middle chain makes a swooshing noise at around 1500 rpm when worn and engine is hot, either of these chains can snap at this point and if you know what you're listening for it's easy to tell the difference between worn and good chains, there's a few comparison videos on KZbin for reference.

[@asimhumayun7428]

@@nemz7505 Good info, thanks for sharing. Since my post I've had all the chains replaced as engine on 120k miles/190k km as preventive maintenance and peace of mind. The car has a perfect service record and the old chains were in very good condition with minimal wear. I'm still glad I replaced them after this mileage as any weakness there is now gone.

[@nemz7505]

@@asimhumayun7428 Wise move Asim, depending on maintenance and frequency of oil changes I've seen them snap anywhere from around 85k miles upwards and these cars are post the 2009 crankshaft and tensioner re-design. Regular oil changes are the key to longevity, if you change oil every 8,000 miles or yearly whichever comes first these N47 engines will thank you. If you're looking to buy any N47 or N57 engined car, always remove the oil filler cap, get a torch and look at the camshaft and cam carrier, if it doesn't look almost perfectly clean the engine hasn't been serviced regularly and you should probably avoid.

[@sm70911]

Do you do classic BMW 80's 323i ?

[@The777Garage]

Can

[@SG901]

great job. how many hours dit you spend on it ? from into and out the workshop. greetz

[@luckgrip252]

I would guess like 6hrs in total when you know what you're doing, 8-10hrs when you're not quite quick at the mechanical jobs. It's just my guess, don't have that experience yet, but will have soon, then I will know for sure.

[@krassidimitrov2]

why you dint take out the engine and replace the gasket of the head? is that mandatory to do?

[@Assimilator1]

Why would you replace the head gasket if there's nothing wrong with it??

[@krassidimitrov2]

@@Assimilator1 nothing wrong with mine. I did it like you and few weeks ago i went to sell my car and the guy was selling me that I did it wrong and I had to take out the head gasket and bla bla bla...

[@robertcodoisus4464]

it is advisable replace in the same time connecting rod bushings?

[@The777Garage]

Ur own choice ..if u got doubts about servicing in past then yes why not

[@KG-hq2vt]

I like the gearbox off method for access

[@antoniohinojos3808]

Leaning this way too, either way the engine or the trans has to move for access. Its particularly annoying on the xDrive since you have to remove the two front axles and drain the diff if you want to pull the engine completely.

[@KG-hq2vt]

Would it be a similar process on a car with automatic transmission?

[@The777Garage]

Yes

[@sukiiish]

Beautiphul video, how much km or mile have this car when you change chain ? Regards

[@The777Garage]

100k miles ur on safe side

[@LR95051]

How do i book my car in for this? I have a 2007 bmw e90 m47 320d auto, it’s done 175k with original timing chain still on, think it’s best i change it as I’m keeping the car forever

[@stesnjak]

Your engine is bulletproff :)

[@farazhanif]

Haha It is bullet proof. I had a pre facelift 318d I'm guessing same engine. It had 223k on the clock all I changed was crank shaft pulley injector o rings and glow plugs around 200k as a precautionary measure. The engine was fine but had to let go because of ulez. The only thing I did extra was change the oil at maximum 10k intervals as what BMW recommend is probably not good for the turbo and tensioners.

[@terrybooya6132]

@@farazhanif what have you got now due to ULEZ? I’m lucky my work is on the border of ULEZ but I have a spot that I can sneak in without a camera facing down on me 😁 just can’t drive central London anymore But can still drive my 05 330d until they decide to expand the area again properly in a few more years 🤨

[@farazhanif]

@@terrybooya6132 bought a 430d m sport plus pretty nice hopefully lasts as long as the last one. Il put some videos up of it soon.

[@johnshaw8013]

Put the bolts back half way in the hole they came out of once the part is removed..... If possible.

[@Bondak404]

Wich is the best make to buy the timing kit from?

[@The777Garage]

Either genuine bmw or fai kit

[@speedchaser777]

When it's time to change the timing chain?

[@The777Garage]

100k

[@uklmngubane5661]

Thanks: how long does the job take

[@The777Garage]

One full day can be done

[@a1boforcen]

This was 258bhp version not 245bhp? is it true 245bhp more reliable?

[@Assimilator1]

I doubt it, 13hp is going to make no real difference to the chain. My 2010 330d has the 245hp, it's done ~145k miles and the chain is rattling (although not very loud), it's been regularly serviced.

[@lomparti]

How do you know if the timing chain needs to be replaced? Does it make a noise when driving?

[@The777Garage]

There’s no sign really Usually do them 100k ish

[@merkon5]

Hey great video, I asked for a quotation from one of the most popular bmw specialists in the uk to do that job for me and they came up and said that they also replace the oil pump during this job. Does it sound reasonable? Some other specialists I spoke with don’t do that, so that just made me think who is following the right process and who wants to get some more money out of it

[@scottp6761]

Reasonable since they can go bad. Rod bearing too

[@Breadstar90]

@@scottp6761 rod bearing, crankshaft bearing and oil pump during a timing chain replacement? What would you recommend doing whole timing chain is being done? Thanks

[@scottp6761]

@@Breadstar90 I would do those and the.resr.seal, and crank seal while your there, and water pump & thermostat if you plan on keeping it forever.

[@Breadstar90]

@@scottp6761 you mean reseal?

[@scottp6761]

@@Breadstar90 sorry typo. Do rear seal , and front cank seal and harmonic balancer

[@prinstonembuya8973]

The high pressure pump doesn't have the timing?

[@Assimilator1]

Yes it does (although I'm not sure why as it is just a 'dumb' aka plain pump), the sprocket is keyed to the HPP shaft, and the sprocket (although Autodata says the shaft) has a line on it which you line up to a lug inside the case. I think you can see the sprocket marks at 10:46

[@mojosexpress3106]

Do you have the torque specks? and does it matter which way the gear goes on the high pressure fuel pump be4 the chain goes on it? Thanks.

[@kamoterorl]

The hpfp shaft is keyed. The sprocket only fits one way.

[@petere4595]

How did you take the sump off without dropping the subframe?

[@The777Garage]

By slightly lifting the engine

[@halilmelo581]

Very nice my Friend 👍👍👍

[@TKhouseofcars]

Hey man great vid. I'm using this as a guide to do mine. Mine is an E92 LCI but the sump is blocked by subframe but it looks like yours is still there. Did you need to lower it or something or how did it go for you?

[@The777Garage]

Hi! U will have to slightly lift the engine to get the sump out

[@TKhouseofcars]

@@The777Garage hmmm! I dont have hoist/crane so this will be interesting lol. Great detail though pal thanks

[@The777Garage]

Piece of wood and jack 😉

[@TKhouseofcars]

@@The777Garage haha the thought did cross my mind but I thought theres probably not going to be anywhere but the sump to support the engine really apart from the sump which is what I need to take off 😒

[@dannygeed9322]

Make sure to remove the oil level sensor first from the sump! Sump comes out MUCH easier that way. The most difficult part is removing the transfer case.

[@normski262]

2014 bmw 3OOOcc N57 engine I think, model 4x4 550 diesel estate, I am trying to find someone who will, can change the timing chain. they think I am stupid, they try and tell me you have to change the crank shaft and Bearings as well , and maybe arm rests as well I expect ,. lol.

[@hasani1365]

Is the n57 as unreliable as the N47? I'm looking to get an n57 325d, but the chain issue is putting me off?!

[@The777Garage]

Its nothing to do with unreliability..its service items once in 80-100k ..personally i love them engines

[@antoniohinojos3808]

No, the N57 has more robust timing components but also under more stress. Short answer, N57 is more reliable if maintained properly.

[@mapsnavigation]

​@@The777Garage miles or kilometers?

[@donmezdonmez7801]

do you have to empty the gearbox oil for this?

[@The777Garage]

No

[@robertcodoisus4464]

How many km did you replace a time chain?

[@ousout6295]

Should be every 100k miles/160k kms

[@waleed2656]

Where are you located as I need my timing chain on changed on my x5 e70 ?

[@lomparti]

Do you have the Diesel engine?

[@fairreview922]

very good !

[@TKhouseofcars]

Hey mate i’m doing the same job on mine. Would you have torque specs on the chain components? Appreciate it pal.

[@nemz7505]

High pressure pump sprocket bolt 65nm (replace, don't reuse) Oil pump sprocket bolt (left hand thread) 5nm +90 degrees (replace, don't reuse) Chain guide locating pins 20nm (apply thread lock) Middle chain tensioner and oil spray pipe 10nm Camshaft sprocket bolts 17nm (replace all 3, don't reuse) Top chain tensioner 70nm BMW ISTA has a step by step for every job and torque specs are included, get yourself a copy you don't need a cable to access the workshop manuals.

[@TKhouseofcars]

@@nemz7505 thanks bud. I done the oil pump sprocket to 50 degrees and its all on now ffs 😂 Its got threadlock on there. I checked it and it was tight plus it’ll spin anticlockwise with the engine. U rekon it’ll be ok or do i need to take it all apart?

[@nemz7505]

@@TKhouseofcars The intial torque is critical to the final angle, so if you nipped it up a bit more than 5nm and then did 50 degrees you should be fine esp with threadlock, usually feel the stretch on these bolts so if you felt that as you're tightening, it should be under tension and not loosen

[@TKhouseofcars]

@@nemz7505 thanks pal much appreciated

[@Renciic]

How long does it take to replace everything?

[@antoniohinojos3808]

😅😅😅

[@waleed2656]

Where are you located as my timing chain needs changing on my x5 e70

[@The777Garage]

Spalding,Lincolnshire

[@waleed2656]

@@The777Garage which is best contact number to book m8

[@prberli]

How much does this job cost including parts?

[@The777Garage]

£1300 ish supply and fit

[@prberli]

@@The777Garage not bad, so maybe ill have to come over there if i need to replace it.. Så expensive here i norway.. (i have a 12 535d)

[@mad_dmitry]

@@prberli How much is it in Norway? :)

[@prberli]

@@mad_dmitry i havn't checked, but im sure it is double that.

[@The777Garage]

Damn,but I guess cause ur wages is double over there

[@denys3054]

What millage that car has?

[@The777Garage]

150k

[@stesnjak]

When should one change the chain?

[@The777Garage]

100k

[@Driver2397]

Hi were are u located

[@The777Garage]

Send me message on insta

[@jerryorange6983]

Hi Guys perhaps someone can advise on n57 . We were changing plugs and and a plug sensor. Airtake manifold was taken off. We finished like 4:14 in this video. The sensor, plugs were replaced, all put back like it should. We tried to start an engine it had a like a bit of rotation and it stopped completely, the smoke came out from the starter and the computer displayed some error messages. The car was driving and was starting without any issue before . We tried to rotate the engine, it was rotating around 350 degrees. We suspect that something might have got into a cylinder via air intakes but they were protected so we are quite confused. Does anyone know what might have happen? Can that be a blocked valve or something? Perhaps someone experienced same issue?

[@The777Garage]

Maybe chunk of carbon went inside and seized it..or something else..ideally in this case head needs to come off..

[@The777Garage]

Or inspect bores with scope

[@jerryorange6983]

@@The777Garage Exactly, this is what we thought might have happened. Thank you.

[@The777Garage]

@@jerryorange6983 let me know ur findings

[@jerryorange6983]

@@The777Garage yes I will.

[@francisplj]

Most workshops😊 here want to take the motor out

[@guy4469]

i am 58, I cry when i am trying to plug my PS2 in Trying to make it work i like to play on getaway . and black monday . ,And this is brain, surgery .

[@Dimitar114]

👍

[@abidkhusri1536]

Where are you based ¿

[@waleed2656]

been trying to call for two days no answere ??

[@The777Garage]

Message on insta

[@jjjjjjjj844]

I done 416000 km and haven’t changed timing change , expensive job

[@fabini14]

You should have replaced the bearings, it will now not die because of the chain, will die with bad bearings, N57 you have to replace bearings when you replace the chain and check the oil pump. this engine like to eat bearings.

[@Breadstar90]

Which bearings

[@fabini14]

@@Breadstar90 rod bearings and main bearings

[@savabgrandjelovic5865]

I prefer to get the engine out and replace the chain,i think is easier way

[@bethells86]

As they say “the most expensive BMW you will own is the cheapest one to buy”. After 200ks they are cheap to buy. Not designed for affordable longevity. As a diy person this really puts me off the BMW diesels, will stick with petrol, M54 say.

[@LeArtisan]

I see a main dealer has give you a thumbs down.

[@The777Garage]

Lol probably

[@sanilaca]

How much would this cost?

[@The777Garage]

Depending what brand chain kit u want..averaging about £1-1.2k ish all in

[@karttu1]

quite guy! I will not do it for my car anyway.

[@kungfuhustle6363]

Nice way to spend 2-3k at the garage 🤣

[@The777Garage]

Its 1.5k all in roughly

[@eddy45686]

Does this sound like a timing chain issue. It’s N57 E70 4.0d kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJCaY3-NaNiZras

[@The777Garage]

Sounds normal to me..on 4.0d I would more worry for bottom end to go cause they are common for that

[@eddy45686]

@@The777Garage do you mean bottom end of the timing chain in sump? Which you need to hear bottom of engine??

[@The777Garage]

No , i am talking about Conrod bearings

[@wernerdanler2742]

I had no idea BMWs had the timing chain on the back of the motor. Another BMW weirdness. Lol

[@naliinsuthakaran2967]

Only recently N45 had it front along with previous engines

[@stevenlautier1440]

Is the fuel pump timed is there a Mark to line up too