Bo Katan Not Taking the Dark Saber Makes No Sense in The Mandalorian Season 2

[@StarWarsTheory]

Does someone have a good explanation? I'd love to hear your views on this!

[@dylanwilliams8887]

Hi mate love your vids

[@VipexTwisty]

Hmmmmm

[@marcusalexander7088]

Ok see mine.

[@glyph3433]

I commented before u pog

[@babychoda9924]

Maybe she didn't want moff to have something over her

[@nsanchez_mke]

Favorite line from the episode is din being like "I yield"

[@RoxDZoro]

The delivery of the line was strangely really good lol

[@fcressler]

Right? He's like "I really don't want in on THAT mess." Lol

[@The_Viktor_Reznov]

I fucking love when movies and series showcase people realistically being dry, instead of being shocked, melodramatic or having a problem coming up with a solution that an average viewer came up. Din just saying in an extremely dry manner "I yield" (and of course the actor delivering the line in such a way) conveyed everything you needed to know, which was "I don't want it, just fucking take and be done with this nonsense". Like he truly didn't give a flying fuck about it and the show didn't try to be unnecessarily melodramatic about it.

[@nikolaki]

I think my favourite line of the episode was "Are you a Jedi?"

[@wiltzenmedia6175]

The way he says it’s so nonchalant. You can hear how much he doesn’t give a single fuck about ruling mandalore

[@aizakku3483]

Mayfeld: Everybody's got their line they don't cross until things get messy.

[@TheOutcastsOfficial]

Like having pesto in his omelette instead of asparagus ;)

[@Mysikrysa]

The difference is if you cross the lines for selfish or selfless reasons. Din crossed his lines to save his foundling. Bo constantly crosses the lines (bends the rules, breaks her word) for selfish reasons. Let this sink in.

[@Saintbow]

@@Mysikrysa I'm glad i'm not the only one to notice that Bo is in it for herself and for power, not for honorable acts. It's acceptable for Din to break his code for an honorable act, but being handed the dark glowstick of doom, well we can't have that! Not if it means saving Mandalore. She only wants Mandalorians to see her as ruler.

[@homelander4375]

That was a pretty good quote, didn't expect this from him at all.

[@iDMAXi]

@@Saintbow Glow stick of Doom, awesome name for it. Better than Dark saber. Sounds more threatening.

[@defiante1]

I thought it made perfect sense. Bo-Katan is dishonoured currently. She lost the saber to the Empire and was Mandalore when they got destroyed by the Empire and lost their planet. In the eyes of the other Mandalorians she is a failed leader. Her only path to ruling again is to prove, unequivically that she is the biggest badass around and has no rival. She needed to win the Dark Saber back from the Empire. She didn't. She didn't even manage to track down Gideon, Din did which makes her look even more questionable as a leader at this point. Mandalorians only respect strength and the Mandalore has to be the strongest and best around. Also... the Dark Saber legacy technically began with Sabine giving it to Bo, since Sabine apparently had no interest in ruling. Back then Bo was a well loved and highly respected Mandalorian who people wanted to rule, the sword was just... extra confirmation. That doesn't work anymore now. While the sword is a relatively new lore concept, the basic idea isn't. It used to be the Helm of Mandalore that confirmed leadership and it worked very much the same way, you took it of the coprse of the old Mandalore and killed anyone who didn't accept your rule. Its why it can go so long without a Mandalore since you have to be the best of the best and unite the Clans. Din is not only a Mandalorian but he is renown fighter with arguably a better candidacy to rule than Bo now, since he would be welcomed to rule by the Watch as well as other Mandalorians. If she just accepted the Saber, she would have no answer to any other Clan's who just asked... "Why shouldn't we follow Din instead of you?"

[@Reuel_Media]

thats a really good answer

[@rcash1733]

No essays pls

[@dhemong]

true

[@defiante1]

@@rcash1733 He asks on a video essay about the subject. Git gud at reading.

[@Basca112]

Agree 100% This was my thought aswell, now i dont have to write it, thank you :)

[@Tyrannicus]

"In order for her to wield the Darksaber AGAIN..." "Again" is the key word. While she could accept it the first time with a sense of honor, she simply cannot a second time. Losing it to Gideon, and the Purge happening means she has to prove she is worthy to wield it again. Simple as that. Imagine King Arthur is given Excalibur and chosen to rule. Then later, he loses it in battle and Camelot is destroyed. He is seen as a failure. He wanders in exile. Why, then, would another knight reclaiming Excalibur and returning it to him automatically make the people respect Arthur again? It's a huge stain on her honor to have lost it. For it to be given back would not look good on her character. To the other Mandalorians she needs to prove she's worthy to reclaim it. It's not so much a case of there being one rule for how it must always happen. It's a case of honor and reputation in her specific current situation. Gideon knows a lot about Mandalorian tradition and knows this is all about image.

[@JamesMiller-jb9bg]

thats pretty good

[@ninistriol165]

This was exactly my thoughts. She was given it the first time, and has clearly lost it to Gideon at some point. She cant just be given it a second time, id say even less so from the guy who beat the guy she lost it to in the first place. It's like having a big brother beat up a bully and claiming victory for yourself.

[@TacticalSatsuma]

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it. In my mind, Sabine never really earned it, so Bo Katan could happily take it since nobody else had any real claim to it (assuming she doesn't class Maul as a valid ruler of Mandalore). In contrast, in S2E8, Din won the saber in combat from Giddeon. The fact that Din won it instead of finding it means he has a geniune claim to it. I totally agree with your point about the whole honour side of things too. By losing it to Giddeon in the first place she has lost her right to be a ruler. If she wants to lead Mandalore again, she has to earn that privilege in combat.

[@kotoamatsukami-]

Maybe Bo just isn't worthy. She's had plenty of chances.

[@jackghaderi377]

I think that mandalore didn’t accept her the first time because she didn’t earn it and so mandalore fell and now she knows that they will only accept her if she wins it in combat.

[@Jakob101st]

It's a real life motto. "Don't make the same mistake twice."

[@jonfergus5029]

Exactly this. And I think the answer of why she didn't take it will come when we learn how she lost it.

[@amosdodson4022]

Yeah I agree. After being given it once and failing her people and losing it she needed to take it back to prove her worthiness but sit without the vestcar spear i don't know how she was planning on doing it lol

[@YJ-7]

Fool me once

[@iswearallthetime]

Yeh i think this. You can get away with it once but not twice.

[@DragonGrave0110011]

At least someone get it

[@VaultHolocron]

I feel that she can’t accept it this time because it’s not an honourable event. Last time she had just helped do an amazing thing for Mandalore and there was a unanimous respect for her and handing her the blade. This time there are only two mandalorians there and while they honour her, other mandalorians haven’t given their blessing, and also while she did help take down an imperial cruiser she did very little of the hard work as she only really killed some stormtroopers.

[@adaptivegamer9905]

Din literally took on all the death troopers, killed one, best moff gideon, and rescued grogu. Bo katan and co. Didn't do SHIT 😂

[@JackFlicks]

Adaptive Gamer How do you think Din would have faired against the Dark troopers? I feel like he would have done a good job. He struggled before but only because he wasn’t prepared and didn’t know what to expect. However himself after that first engagement but with a Dark Sabre I feel as though he would have done pretty well with the help of the others. Unless they’re to knock him out or take off his helmet he’d still be in a durable Beskar armour. Would have been cool to see how he would fair. My point being I would love to see how he’d use to Sabre haha. Hopefully we can see him use it next season before Bo takes it.

[@ARCAlpha12]

I have the exact same feeling-the other Mandalorians both respected her contribution to helping unite Mandalore and unanimously chose her. But since she obviously lost the saber to Gideon, it's not like she can just go back to the way things were before. She has to earn it now, because the clans DIDN'T vote to have her lead them and she did in fact lose it at some point, either in war or in a personal combat situation (I'm more inclined to believe Gideon took it off of her unconscious body during the Siege when both of them were leading forces against the other. Bo got knocked out and Gideon likely either assumed she was dead and took it from her directly or it was separated from her and she couldn't get it back, and he found and took it. War is still combat, so I could see her losing it in a large battle due to his strategies as still being a valid reason to lose it and her right to wield it).

[@stevenle9960]

or maybe the last time she was just handed the darksaber there were those who called her our for being a pretender to the throne and undermined her legitimacy as a leader. And we know that Mandalore fell to the empire at some point and she may blame herself for not being able to truly unify the mandalorians

[@ThisHandleIsInteresting]

Bo-Katan’s a joke. Case closed.

[@LastManFilmsUS]

I feel like he’s destined to become Mandalore. He is a Uniter. Look at all of the people he has brought together; former imperials, rebels, Mandalorians, bounty hunters, and even Jedi. I feel like it’s his responsibility now. Star Wars is full of destiny and responsibilities falling upon those who never wanted any of it, only for them to realize this is their destiny.

[@TheManBehindTheSlaughter6669]

all because the Force craves balance and will do anything to achieve true balance in the universe such as starting wars and what not.

[@twodumbgamers9285]

Underrated comment here! 👁️👄👁️I really like the way you two think!

[@yubasheehan8552]

Yo deserve a like

[@samuelgulizia7711]

Damn mando bringing balance to the force? That’s a pretty cool thought.

[@sakinahsaraswati4428]

He's like a fresh breath

[@michaellee103]

Dij Djarin: This is the way Din Djarin after winning darksaber: My way mfs

[@campacorentinestation8526]

After winning darksaber: where my money at

[@fulcrum9750]

I honestly imagined she could accept it from Sabine since she never recognized Maul as the Mandalore because he was an outsider. So in her eyes, once pre vizsla was killed by an outside, a Mandalorain could claim it. Sabine just happened to be the person who returned it to Mandalore. But in the context of the show, she as the Mandalore lost the Saber, which was then won by a Mandalorain, so by her own rules Din has claim.

[@TheThreethumbsup]

Although technically Gideon would be an outsider too, not being mandalorian as well. She could just be prejudice against aliens lol. But hey there is a possibility Gideon was a mandalorian at one point before he became a moff. Hard to say for sure at this point.

[@fulcrum9750]

@@TheThreethumbsup thats true, but maybe since it was again taken by someone Bo could not recognize as a Mandalore, it was up for grabs. Difference being this time Din took the dark saber in combat, unlike Sabine. Which means he has claim and she cannot accept it without also winning it. Or probably the most likely option of all, its a small retcon haha or just an error that escaped the writing room.

[@dustinyancey2194]

Idk why you're giving them the title madalore... But you're not entirely wrong

[@Kal_Kestis]

This is the exact reason sidious is not the mandalore, cause he was an outsider

[@potatman1775]

Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh, that makes sence

[@BartAllen]

*Luke:* "He is strong with the Force, but talent without training is nothing." *Rey:* 😐😐😐😐

[@darthyoda8170]

Lol,life of Mary Sues

[@calebdume8335]

so true man

[@calebdume8335]

I think dave did this just to show how bad the sequels were thought?

[@evannewcomb29]

Lol good point

[@SystemBreaksown]

100% facts

[@AdmiralKnight]

I think this is more a personal issue for Bo than her not being 'allowed' to take it. The crux is when Gideon says 'The darksaber is a story'. People knew she didn't earn it the first time. Just HAVING the saber wasn't good enough to unite Mandalor, she needs the story to get the people to follow her, she needs to EARN it. I have faith that once we find out how she lost the Saber we'll understand why she's acting this way

[@Mysikrysa]

She had no problem to take it without fight in the past and she would take it again if Gideon didn´t start to shame her in front of everyone. She even kept Din uninformed about the darksaber rule for her own personal gain. She was so much afraid he could take the darksaber for himself in a fight she never told him about the power it brings. She knew he was raised in a clan with "weird" (from her point of view) rules and unaware of the existence of the clans with different customs. She wanted to abuse his lack of knowledge for her personal gain. She has no honor. Her stories to tell are/would be basically: 1) I was handed the darksaber by my Mary Sue friend who won it in a fight. 2) I was handed the darksaber by a Mandalorian from Children of the Watch clan who was unaware of my manipulation and defeated the previous wielder as a collateral gain when he was saving his foundling. She couldn´t take it because of Moff and his master level of trolling.

[@simoneschiavi1432]

I thought the same but if that is true I'd have liked a line from Bo like "I already made this mistake" so that the watcher could have an idea of what happened.

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

@@Mysikrysa “marry sue friend” lol that has to be a joke 🤣

[@LordBusiness04]

Luke is going to be on Grogu’s back when training him and say, “have the turn-tables.”

[@get_flankedaxr2472]

More like: “tables turned, have they.” A man of culture I see with the office reference too.

[@Ng1Brad]

He'll release the seagulls.

[@manuelramos360]

I think it’s a matter of pride. She had it, Moff Gideon took it from her somehow. Mando beats Gideon and offers it to her. That’s the second time it’s just offered to her, and it’s even worse this time because it’s being returned after she lost it. How can she call herself the rightful ruler of mandalore when you’re supposed to win it thorough battle but she was literally handed the saber, lost it, and was then handed it again. How is that a good and worthy story?

[@Wookster5]

I agree with this. I asked this as soon as she said no the episode, however if the story is the power of the saber, then she now knows that being handed it won't work, after the first time that clearly didn't help her.

[@Mysikrysa]

She is a spineless bi*ch. She had no problem to take it without fight in the past and she would take it again if Gideon didn´t start to shame her in front of everyone. She even kept Din uninformed about the darksaber rule for her own personal gain. She was so much afraid he could take the darksaber for himself in a fight she never told him about the power it brings. She knew he was raised in a clan with "weird" (from her point of view) rules and unaware of the existence of the clans with different customs. She wanted to abuse his lack of knowledge for her personal gain. She has no honor. Her stories to tell are/would be basically: 1) I was handed the darksaber by my Mary Sue friend who won it in a fight. 2) I was handed the darksaber by a Mandalorian from Children of the Watch clan who was unaware of my manipulation and defeated the previous wielder as a collateral gain when he was saving his foundling. When I put these two stories next to each other, the first story is about an unworthy pretender. The second would be a story about an unworthy pretender who basically robbed the rightful wielder for her personal selfish reason, while the rightful wielder won the darksaber in a fight he fought for selfless reason.

[@CRlMZlN]

@@Mysikrysa she is also a fictional character

[@10kwithnovideos38]

@@CRlMZlN lmao

[@tinyelephant1533]

@@CRlMZlN Ok? Why does that matter? Aren't we allowed to discuss our favorite movies and tv shows in depth?

[@drleinad]

My theory: By losing it after having it handed to her, maybe she feels like she needs to actually fight for it to be worthy of ruling

[@jackghaderi377]

I think that mandalore didn’t accept her the first time because she didn’t earn it and so mandalore fell and now she knows that they will only accept her if she wins it in combat.

[@higglybiggly1174]

Ooooh I like this one a lot. She felt like she can't accept it without a fight again after whatever happened that led to Moff getting it.

[@AJTalksNerd]

I expect there's some backstory here about the negative consequences of her taking the Darksaber the first time from Sabine (probably uprisings, challenges to her power, maybe this was even indirectly responsible for Mandalore's fall i.e. she couldn't muster resistence against the empire due to disloyalty), therefore she's hesitant to make the same mistake again.

[@ManyTriangles]

My theory is that she doesn’t WANT to gain the saber illegitimately a second time. Once was already bad enough in her eyes. She wants to gain it the proper way. If Din and Bo fight, something is going to have to happen to actually make Din want the saber and actively compete for it. Otherwise it wouldn’t really be a real fight if he had no desire to win and I imagine that would invalidate the “victory”.

[@billytessio6326]

I imagine Bo Katan will want to fight to the death for the darksaber now. She seems a little zealous in her pursuit for the darksaber which is ironic since she called the Children of The Watch religious zealots. She wants her claim to the throne to be undisputed and this will prompt Din to fight for his own life and kill Bo Katan, cementing his position on the throne. Din will be the one to restore Mandalore to it's former glory.

[@RogerSchuff]

Same

[@lgrif1065]

@@billytessio6326 I don't think it will be a fight to the death as Gideon didn't have to die

[@TyLikesToast]

To add to that, I think she believes that her not having 'won' the saber contributed to it being taken from her. She may believe that had the saber been more rightfully hers, it would've been more difficult to get away from her.

[@VanguardX]

I wouldn't be surprised if Din winds up keeping it and leading mandalor. The title is called THE MANDALORIAN...like the definitive one perhaps?

[@Kulmora]

When Bo Katan took the Darksaber in Rebels, it got out shortly after that she did not obtain it the right way (which is information The Empire could have made public). That would cause another rift in Mandalore that The Empire would take advantage of to "turn the planet to glass"; this makes Bo Katan realize the importance of "the story", so she now knows she cannot take the Darksaber without earning it.

[@itbakkawi]

I think she's just wiser and therefore respects the tradition. I do not procrastinate, I wait until the last minute because I will be wiser and therefore more capable.

[@BharathAtmakuriStylish]

Exact same thought,,

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

what about the Mandalor Armor don't you need both

[@davidrivera6017]

This makes sense especially how Gideon made clear he was aware of the tradition and threw it in their faces knowing BO wouldn't take it without a fight.

[@johnknott4821]

She didn’t take it because she realized she failed to unite mandalore the first time because she failed to meet the traditions. Earning the sword from combat may be the only way she can unite the mandalorian people and have them see her as a rightful ruler. she is not refusing it for honor, she is refusing it for power. If she takes the sword, mandalorians will see her as a person riding the coattails of better leader, instead of the rightful ruler. It’s not for moral reasons it’s for political mistakes, which she’s already learned from.

[@wexe-vg1gm]

this is how I interpreted it

[@OldManTomJulio]

This one hundred percent. And that is reinforced by Gideon basically telling the audience, "it's not the power of the blade itself, it's the power of the story." Bo knows.

[@StormLight13]

Right. Din and Bo could dual for it- you don't have to actually kill your opponent, just defeat them- but because of the "power of the story" maybe that's why it wouldn't be that easy; even if Dinn pulled his punches so to speak, Bo would know that he let her win.

[@OGLocsta09]

Yeah that makes sense. She accepted it before without winning it in combat, which didn't result in her successfully ruling Mandalor. Now she understands what it takes, so she can't accept it.

[@joltmann4133]

@@StormLight13 i beat that happens first episode of season 3

[@ryanlftwflex]

Because he’s the hero Mandalore deserves. Even if he doesn’t want it.

[@carsongates8079]

Sounds like game of thrones

[@marcuss1093]

Nah more like the dark knight

[@HirayaMayari]

Just like Aragorn.

[@FahimDaniel]

“I dont want it” Din Djarin.

[@shadowling77777]

Yee boi

[@lukar7306]

Here's my take: In Rebels Bo initially declines the saber because she knows it is morally incorrect and would not truly be able to claim it for her own. However, at the end of the arc she realises just how vitally Mandalore needs a ruler to combat the empire. So she takes it, acting as ruler for the time being and nobody objects because they know it is necessary. However, in The Mandalorian, the empire is mostly defeated and you can tell by how much she wants to kill Gideon that she wants to properly become ruler of mandalore as she wasn't able to before but now she has the chance. And when Gideon objects to her taking it from Din using the Mandalorian law, she knows he is right and wouldn't be able to claim leadership without betraying everything Mandalore is.

[@youretotallyrightbut463]

It’s a lot more simple. In rebels, Sabine never won it. She found it in mauls place after he had all but abandoned it....with maul having basically abandoned it, all clans supported bo taking it and wanted her to lead mandalore....now, mando actually won it through combat. He has a true claim to it. Bo can’t accept it. Mando is the rightful holder....Sabine was never the rightful holder. The rightful holder (maul) had left it behind.

[@robertlaib908]

Also, at the time Sabine gave it to her, the leaders of those clans were in the room and agreed she should take it. It wasn't some clandestine exchange, but one the Mandalore clan leaders accepted.

[@antonohlsson498]

This makes sense to me! But I'd like to add that it's very possible that she also lost it in combat against Gideon aswell.

[@jonothandoeser]

@@antonohlsson498 More likely that if the lost it in combat that she was overwhelmed by the dark troopers and had it taken from her. Not a fair fight

[@Leo-vr3bg]

@@youretotallyrightbut463 well, if we want to be picky, Sabine won it in trial by combat with Gar Saxon. I just think it was an understanding that it was wrong first time, and created strife due to the illegitimacy of her acquiring it.

[@MillanPatel]

When bo was given the dark saber, her people generally agreed that she should be leader, so with that backing she accepted the responsibility and the sword. She probably was shamed for losing it to Gideon. The shame led her to lose her people’s respect which is why she travels in a small group now. So in order to regain her honor she has to win it back. She won’t regain her people’s faith if it’s given to her again.

[@AsharpVocalAcademy]

The discussions/arguments going on in these comments are some of the most mature and in-depth ideas I’ve seen. I love this community so much

[@wingzero1372]

I went back and listened to Gideon he says "she can't accept it that way AGAIN". She lost it to Gideon by combat apparently now to truly lay her claim to the throne and to remove any doubts of her fellow Mandelorians she has to re-gain it by combat.

[@carancole5974]

Man so many people dont realise what you said here.....kudos brother

[@sithoverlordyoda4908]

Ok that actually makes a lot of sense

[@94JReedy]

Well Gideon is still alive give him the saber and smash him about problem solved.

[@abdulbah2176]

How did she lose it by combat if Din Djarin can beat him and Bo Katan is supposedly more skilled than him?

[@94JReedy]

@@abdulbah2176 because he probably had the empire behind him 🤣 might help slightly doubt him to play fair

[@STORYTXLLXR]

Honor; She doesn’t want to repeat history. She was VERY adamant about no one takes on Gideon except her. If the Mando had tried to trap Gideon in a room long enough for him to grab Grogu put some distance while simultaneously notifying Bo Katan of her targets location.... She would’ve won the saber rightfully and with HONOR. I feel like this wasn’t her trying to be power hungry, this was her attempting to reclaim the throne the right way.

[@ShaD033]

Additionally we don't know how she lost it. I have a feeling she was challenged by Gideon relating to this. Let's not forget mandos also might not trust her after planet being glassed. There's a lot we don't know

[@Mysikrysa]

@@GAJake He had to fight Gideon because he was attacked by him. I don´t know if he understood what exactly Bo wants but just the fact how she kept him uninformed about the real importance of the darksaber makes her a massive bi*ch.

[@babecat2000]

@@Mysikrysa yeah if she would of told him why she needs it. He would of tried to trap him for Bo.

[@grogu4853]

babecat2000 she did tell Din though? She literally says if she gets the DarkSaber back it’s one more step into reclaiming Mandalore.

[@STORYTXLLXR]

I also want to note that Bo Katan’s character in clones wars, rebels and mando has remained consistent in the way of how she delivers her information/motives. Vague but to the point. She doesn’t give specific details. She stated Gideon must surrender to her, though Din never understood the power behind the darksaber. In my opinion, the fall of Mandalore was due to its own warriors pride and negligence to learn how to communicate without the use of fighting/“relic rights” per say. Satine was capable of what Bo could not and vise versa. If there was a way for the mandalorian culture to evolve I believe the society/planet/culture will survive in unity and balance. The Jedi order was no different

[@DillDoud]

THEORY: Grogu can see well into the future. When Din tells him he's going to get him off Gideon's light cruiser in Episode 8 he looks visibly sad! I think this is because he can see the future (or maybe sense things about it because he's young) and knows he will be separated from Din. Anakin could see about 10 seconds into the future, this is what made him such a deadly duelist, what if Grogu can see farther than that? This would be interesting because Yoda was so against using the future to base your actions, as it is a path to the dark side. Anyone else see this?

[@logicaldude3611]

I think he looks sad because he knows the situation is hopeless. I think you’re vastly overestimating his powers by thinking he can see into the future. He’s sad all the way until he senses Luke come aboard the cruiser and that’s when he perks up. I think you’re reading too much into it.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Uh anakin could, in very specific scenarios, have visions of the future, just like many other jedi. In canon, at least, he cant see into the future

[@OGrupxe]

"Anakin can see 10 seconds into the future" High Ground situation:

[@llamaczech]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 I mean, you're both not quite right. ALL Jedi could see into the future by a little, Qui Gon talks about it being a Jedi trait in Episode 1 when talking about Anakin's "fast reflexes".

[@DillDoud]

@@OGrupxe In the new Thrawn trilogy he can, and so can Vader, they use the power to navigate hyperspace lanes.

[@300mirrors]

Poor Din all he wanted was his baby since he finally got the hang of the whole Dad thing and he came out of this the ruler of Mandalore. 😂 He can't catch a break. I just hear him heavy sighing through all of this.

[@simos6jipros154]

I'd like to see a 1st episode where Din is broken down and everyone is shocked he actually took his helmet off

[@300mirrors]

@@simos6jipros154 He has to be, but knowing him he'll play it off because he's a tough guy or he'll actually just be sad. It gets me. I don't think I'll be watching the end of season 2 ever again. I know, that's so dramatic lol.

[@mcihay246]

Having the Darksaber alone I can imagine wouldn't immediately make Din the leader. He only has the right to be leader, just as much as Bo. Din because of recovering the Darksaber. Bo because of her family, political relations, and connections. After all, even when Maul had the Darksaber, there were still Mandalorians that chose not to follow him.

[@300mirrors]

@@mcihay246 I know this and the comment I made was a joke if you go back and read it. 😁

[@mcihay246]

@@300mirrors You do? Awesome. Also, it's pretty hard to know if something is a joke through text alone. Especially without knowledge of the type of person writing it. Regardless... 😐👍

[@djohns9295]

“The story” is were the power lies. If no one tells the story, they have no power. Since Gideon told “the story” in front of other people, she couldn’t take it without a lie.

[@benjaminmhenderson]

Yes thank you

[@Eshomin]

I agree, it makes perfect sense, in a way gideon is like bo to maul!

[@Mysikrysa]

Yep, he just trolled her and exposed what kind of person she is in front of multiple witnesses. Pretender to the throne. Moff knows "everything", so I think he knows she has never earned the darksaber in the fight in the first place, so running around and claiming how it belongs to her was a hypocrisy of the size of Death Star.

[@flyingthebuttress]

It makes sense because she already illegitimately took it once, she doesn't want to do that a second time. She never felt like she earned it before, she wants to earn it this time. So it does make sense. Sabine didn't legitimately gain it either, she took it from Dathomir so the first time was less problematic but since she is wanting to unite all Mandalorians to retake their home world, this is a much bigger deal.

[@riwanramli7604]

This is agree.. there is not much confusion if we put ourselves in her shoes. 1st time she got it by Sabine, then she loses it to Moff Gideon. Her honor is tarnish by Moff Gideon. She needs to regain her honor back. And since Moff Gideon told every little detail about the right of power for a mandalorian in that light cruiser brig, there is a lot of eye witnesses. Smart Gideon setting up a fight between our hero and bo. She cant have it easy this time.

[@lewistalbot3457]

Sabine won it from Gar Saxon remember

[@sraphm]

@@KT-vk1bw Than that makes the whole point of it useless. Might as well just play musical chairs.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

​@@KT-vk1bw The darksaber technically doesn't make its owner Mand'alor. It's just one of the requirements now. The helmet thing is different. It used to be that if the Mand'alor was killed in combat the mandalorian who took the helmet took on the IDENTITY and legacy of Mand'alor. Alternatively, if the Mand'alor was defeated in combat by another mandalorian the helmet would be taken as a trophy. Also, we know that the same helmet was never passed down throughout the ages because the original mandalorians were a different species with a very different head shape. It was always literally the current Mand'alor's helmet, whatever head the helmet happened to be fitted for, and presumably many prior Mand'alors had to get new helmets right after.

[@Erik-uj8ed]

Last time when she just took it, she failed her people and Mandalore was lost. When she took it unrightfully, it ended in demise. But, now she knows that in order to succeed, she must take it the traditional way, the right way. If she takes it the honorable way, she will be successful in reuniting Mandalore, unlike last time when she unrightfully took it.

[@khominhvi]

Yeah, I'm expecting some kind of backstory like this. Being given the black sabre caused some kind of problem. It will probably be explained in Season 3?

[@OrigamiMaster06]

Din should just keep it. Bo doesn't deserve to rule Mandalore because she has no honor.

[@ChromeWheelz1977]

@@OrigamiMaster06 Bo has no honor? Based on what exactly?

[@OrigamiMaster06]

@@ChromeWheelz1977 She starts out as a terrorist who tries to murder her own sister so she can impose her own dogmatic cultists view of Mandalore onto the people. The same people who wanted a peaceful democratic ruler. Her actions got her sister murdered, a sith ruler, and brought war to her planet. Mandalore falls into a series of civil wars which eventually destroys the planet and its people. And throughout all of this, she still believes that she should rule Mandalore. Also she has the audacity to question Obi-Wan's feelings for Satine when she tried to murder her. Throughout clone wars, rebels, and the Mandalorian, she consistently shows devotion to her conservative regressive views of a true Mandalorian while tweaking them to fit her own agenda. She also does all of this while calling out others for actions that pale in comparison to her transgressions. Sorry for the rant, if you like Bo Katan, that's fine, but you asked based on what and this is why I say she has no honor. In my opinion she's a hypocrite and she really doesn't deserve to rule Mandalore.

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

@@OrigamiMaster06 the reason you should not remove your helmet - Sniper

[@EbokArk]

The first time Sabine handed it to her and there wasn't really a true ruler, she just had it. This time there was a definite challenge to be had.

[@benkearney8459]

Her face when Din walked into the control room with the dark saber was so funny 😂

[@ninaa4192]

LOL. She looked absolutely FUMING.

[@Mysikrysa]

Gideon roasting her was even better. :D She finally got at least a little bit of what she deserved. I´m still waiting for marshall Dune to come to arrest her for her crimes against humanity during the Clone Wars after Gideon will be interrogated. He knows everything!

[@jcsoccer349]

This episode was next level this is Star Wars!

[@Luffy-zj6vm]

I cried in the end because of how good it was

[@danielhaller6462]

@@Luffy-zj6vm me too

[@danielhaller6462]

probably the best thing Disney did with Star Wars

[@Luffy-zj6vm]

@@danielhaller6462 the mandalorian is the only good thing disney did after buying star wars

[@MrPerspective]

This is the way.

[@robertb2350]

It makes perfect sense....now we have something to start off Mandalorian: Season III.

[@crazy_jc_kingdemon2971]

Exactly

[@wing4382]

Facts

[@colinr2043]

I like the idea that, since she lost it to Gideon, she feels that she’s not honorable enough to wield it unless she wins it back.

[@michaelberry1382]

Indeed. Bo needs to put aside her “hang up” just like She, Boba, Mayweather and Grogu got Mando to put aside his “hang up” of removing the helmet.

[@darragh4488]

I mean, its no star wars the padawan menace.

[@megaavonaco9954]

She’d probably lose the dark saber again. Let din be the mandolorian.

[@colinr2043]

@@darragh4488 Don’t even try convince me that’s canon😂

[@darraghfallon2014]

Personally I would prefer if din stayed as a lone wolf rather than the ruler of a planet

[@TetsuShima]

Bo-Katan: "I am Sorry. But I only accept gifts from True Mandalorians" Mando: 🖕

[@themasked_senshi4521]

Lmao

[@manumudgal4988]

Its Bo - Katan

[@sladechain573]

I mean she kinda said that Din is part a heretic group of Mandalorians, that broke off from the rest of the Mando society, so... I'm not really sure what she thinks of Din.

[@fullmoon8929]

@@sladechain573 "Not all Mandalorians are bounty hunters. Some of us serve a higher purpose." That's what Bo-Katan think of Din

[@_apsis]

@@fullmoon8929 that, i think, was directed at boba

[@BoredOuttaMyMind]

It’s possible she couldn’t gather all the Mandalorian clans before when she wielded the Darksaber previously because of how it was obtained: by way of gift, rather than trial of combat Perhaps other Mandalorians, familiar with her time as a dishonorable member of Deathwatch, chose to not stand with her, claiming her earning the weapon proved nothing and her less than sparkly background as a traitor to her people to be not what the other Mandalorians would follow Remember, Bo brought the Republic Clone Army to Mandalore to usurp the throne. She spat on Maul’s claim as leader, even though he won the Darksaber by the correct means of combat challenging. She worked to have the Duchess Satine, her own blood, imprisoned and turned against her until she decided the person she secondhandedly put into power, Maul, pushed off of Mandalore. She brought on martial law to the people of Mandalore during the Republic, soon to be Empire, occupation and may even be seen as a connecting reason why the planet is largely believed to have been destroyed We, the audience, know her to be on the right path. But to others? Who knows. She might as well be little better than Gideon

[@jacookie9707]

Nice

[@Not-a-bot222]

....damn

[@HeadHunterzBLUE]

in star wars rebels all major clans accepted her as a leader willingly and knowing her past how she got the dark saber so Bo katan could and did unite the Mandalorians for a while I guess lesser clans or individuals could have problem with her being a leader but the majority was fine with her

[@chaosboss1033]

Even if she didn’t manage to gather all the clans at first , Disney needs to fix this plothole. But I have a feeling they’ll do it the same they they fixed the mandalorian helmet plotwhole

[@scotthunt4206]

THIS

[@craigkennedy432]

Theory: Gideon goaded Bo Katan into Combat, knowing the illegitimacy of her ownership of the Darksaber. Bo Katan, essentially never had the "Eye of the Tiger" with Gideon... She knew she didn't "earn it" the first time, which is why she looks so shocked to see Din Djarin with the Darksaber. She WANTED to meet Gideon in combat on the bridge, with him having the Darksaber. She wanted it so badly, she could practically taste it. and then everything in that scenario changed Which was: 1) To get revenge on Gideon for what the Empire (and thus Gideon - where he came to claim the saber originally) did to Mandalore. 2) To truly "earn it", against a foe in Gideon (whom I'm sure beat her fair and square, and then likely rubbed her face in it in a very public and shameful fashion). 3) More personally having the two newest Mamdalorians she's met, Boba and Din yield to her leadership. She acts like her crap smells like Roses, as if every Mandalorian is supposed to know or care about the legend of the Darksaber. So essentially, she'll throw down with Din to get the Darksaber, but she is reluctant because she WANTS her opponent to be Gideon. And since Gideon doesn't have the saber, she can't "have" any of her 3 motivating factors. She essentially lost the war of expectations within herself. Taking the Darksaber would be essentially admitting to herself that she cannot ever have revenge. She isn't strong enough (rather her character isn't developed well enough) to accept the victory for what it is.

[@Mysikrysa]

She´s just a narcissist, so she doesn´t care about victory if it is not her personal victory. she´s salty she didn´t get "her" power-giving special relic and she couldn´t have revenge on Moff Gideon for taking it from her in the past. Some "random bounty hunter from weird clan" accidentally became the Mandalore instead of her. :D

[@hitcat123]

It’s all because of Deathwatch, they won’t follow her without her winning it. This is a perfect setup into Din’s journey into realizing the truth about them as a clan.

[@jlord5078]

Except Death Watch fell after the first siege of Mandalore in Clone Wars.

[@dajointcf4803]

@@jlord5078 dosent mean that some of the members didnt survive btw we dont know what happend to rook kast

[@Mysikrysa]

If he found out the truth about Bo it would be more interesting. And considering Moff "knows everything", Cara could jail Bo-Katan soon after interrogating him and getting some info about her dirty past and the atrocities she commited against the civilians and her own sister during the Clone Wars.

[@hughmann7262]

@@jlord5078 Din's cult is called children of the watch.... They follow death watchs ideals. I don't think that's a stretch.

[@milkywayhuizar5641]

Am I the only one who wants to see Din keep the dam saber? I like his spear but he's a leader, more than what Bo-Katan would ever be. I feel like that's what his clan would want, as well as bringing back all the mandalorians like he did this season.

[@princesssmileyface91]

I hope they don’t turn Mando into Jon Snow in season 8, “ I don’t want it.” “She’s ma Queen.”

[@KK-zb3xc]

I hope they don't turn the mandalorian into game of thrones final season

[@ElffieElix]

@@KK-zb3xc Jon Favreau would never

[@noscotti]

Favreau can’t write for shit so maybe

[@KK-zb3xc]

@@ElffieElix I will pray to the baby Jesus that he doesn't

[@Loug3141]

I actually think in this case it would fit the character... not the "she's ma queen" stuff, but the "I don't care, just have it your way... imma head out... see ya" stuff

[@FAM0US-M0NSTERS-]

Oh, trust me. Bo Katan definatley wants Mando's Dark Sabre

[@buck_cover_up7955]

It is saber not sabre

[@alexbarrett4338]

@@buck_cover_up7955 lightsaber or darksaber sure, but sabre on its own is the correct English spelling P.s. when I say English I mean English English

[@N9mber]

More like Boba’s Slave 2 “princess.”

[@buck_cover_up7955]

@@alexbarrett4338 ok

[@nailer8868]

You Naughty naughty

[@haymaker3046]

Gideon knows she can’t beat Mando in 1v1 combat.

[@Tt10156]

How can you tell?

[@Tt10156]

@milou80 oh ok

[@magnus7708]

I don’t think Gideon actually beat her himself maybe he and his soldiers took it considering his skill is quite low even with a lightsaber also bo katan is regarded as one of the best mandalorian fighters in the galaxy on similar levels with pre visla who could go toe to toe with darth maul who would’ve beaten Ashoka if it wasn’t for circumstance and Ashoka made mando basically submit in 30 seconds

[@magnus7708]

Well not submit but he obviously could tell if he fought her any longer he would’ve died

[@acentrixes1380]

@@magnus7708 dude he didn't even want to fight her lmao

[@marcoslaureano5562]

Yeah it does, she was a failure as Mandalore. The planet was scorched on her watch and Moff Gideon took it from her or somehow ended up with it, thus her honor as a Mando was under question. She was GIVEN the Darksaber by Sabine who herself merely stole it. Bo wouldn't submit to the Empire which made her stock and respect rise, but all that came crashing down with what the Imps did to Mandalore. She had to EARN it back which she did not. Din is the rightful Mandalore now.

[@emmamoles7452]

Sabine stole it yes, but she also earned it. You forget when she had to go back to her ancestral home and try to recruit other mandalorians to her cause, gar Saxon eventually stole it, so Sabine had to win it back therefore making her its rightful owner. She then gave it to bo Katan after learning that she was the rightful heir to the throne and how loyal she was to mandalore. So if we look at bos commitment to liberating mandalore instead of “the claim to the dark saber makes you the rightful ruler of mandalore” statement, then bo is the best ruler for mandalore-din couldn’t care less about mandalores past much less the throne. Also, the dark saber had been passed down in clan vizla for generation to generation, and din is not apart of clan vizla, so mandalorians could also see that as a violation and the more reason for bo to take the saber back.

[@marcoslaureano5562]

@@emmamoles7452 I respect your pov but I disagree wholeheartedly on Bo being worthy. It was apparent to me as a viewer that ALL she cared about was getting the throne. If you read Karen Traviss SW books (the creator of Mando culture), this alone would have made her unworthy. She wasn't interested in helping another Mando in need (without personal gain) which should have been paramount according to actual Mando law. Mandos don't choose to NOT help other Mandos in need. She didn't care about Grogu (who was technically a foundling), Din (unless he was helping her cause) or anyone else for that matter - her only aim was to claim power for herself. Din only cared about Grogu's life - which in my eyes makes him a much more worthy Mandalore than Bo. And law is law - the Darksaber must be won in combat. Din did that, not Bo. In the eyes of any true Mando, he was worthy, she wasn't. Especially not after letting Mandalore get glassed and allowing the Darksaber to fall into Moff Gideon's hands. Just my two cents.

[@emmamoles7452]

@@marcoslaureano5562 I respect your opinion, though I feel, after watching clone wars and rebels, that bo does care about mandalore. She’s not that person to just fight consistently for power. When she met din for the first time she called him brother, which there just shows how much she cares for other mandalorians. She saw din in trouble on that ferry and wanted to help him, so I don’t really see how she does stuff for personal gain because how could she mutually benefit from that situation. The only reason she fights so hard for the dark saber is for mandalore, and for people to see she was as worthy as her sister. In rebels she is discouraged because people held her to the height of satine, she even showed those feelings when she said, “I am not my sister.” Sabine gave her the dark saber because she thought bo was a capable leader, and ahsoka made her mandalores regent thinking the same thing, so maybe she just wants validation by the dark saber and to not let mandalore down. In the beginning of season four of rebels, she did not take the dark saber initially when Sabine first met her, because she felt guilty. Yet she still fought against the empire to liberate her home. She also in clone wars refused to follow maul because he was an outsider, a murderer and a criminal. Then she expressed to Obi wan how maul is destroying mandalore, when she went to ask for their help, how he murdered her sister in cold blood and badly influencing her people. Also if we want to talk abt storyline and development, how could Dave make up this courageous leader, who once ruled mandalore, then fell into guilt once the empire rose into power, and the once again ruled mandalore with challenge. If there was no resistance to her rule, her character would not be as realistic. And if din just took her place, that would be a waste of a good character.

[@marcoslaureano5562]

@@emmamoles7452 I hear you. But the glaring problem with that argument - if SHE felt that were true, she would have taken the Darksaber, but she KNEW she couldn't. That no Mandalorian would respect her rule. I don't really pay too much attention to the Mandalorians from Clone Wars, they're an aberration to me(just my opinion), since in reality there are no true "heads of state, or kings or princesses or any of those other common tropes. The Mandalorians in this series, and their culture, seem to be based much more on Karen Traviss Mandalorian novels, she created their culture and language. And according to unwritten Mandalorian law, Din is Mandalore now. And what's even more striking to me is that in that Legends lore(which seems to slowly becoming canon), the most worthy to be Mandalore is usually the warrior (male or female) who DOESN'T want to be Mandalore. This is most definitely the case with Din. Thx for the back and forth though btw, I love discussing SW with other fans, especially when we have opposing views, it's more fun. I love to hear other fans point of views, sometimes it even changes my view so thx. Btw do you think we'll get to see Sabine next season, especially with Ahsoka now being a part of the show? I think that'd be awesome

[@thejmeister]

@@marcoslaureano5562 It's like Mandalorian lore is a board with nails sticking out of it, and you came along and hit every single nail on the head. Love your understanding and perspective on all this backstory. I'd like to add that reluctant leaders are frequently the best kind. Those that do not want to lead, but have earned it and now must do so out of a sense of responsibility. Those that seek to rule to compensate for all their inadequacies ... well, that's how civilisations crumble.

[@thanosjackson]

I think that once she got the saber, she was called a pretender like Moff said and she was overthrown. Now, the only way anyone will follow her is if she wins it properly.

[@tinyelephant1533]

Well, if you watch rebels, we see that the majority of Mandalorian clans accepter her as the Manda'lor. So it most likely isn't that she was overthrown. Its much more likely that Bo just doesnt want to be handed the saber a second time, as it would serve as an embarrassment for her, and perhaps this time, without a good story to tell, the other clans wouldn't accept her again, especially after she lost it a first time.

[@thecalmclone2813]

@@tinyelephant1533 She might have been overthrown after the purge if people blamed her for the night of a thousand tears

[@tinyelephant1533]

@@thecalmclone2813 The Night of a thousand tears happened over a decade before she even becomes the Mandal'or, so it probs wasn't that. We explicitly see the majority of the clans bowing to her at the end of Rebels, so I doubt she was overthrown. If she was overthrown, then I doubt she would be trying to get the dark saber again after the people she is trying to save, obviously don't like her in the slightest.

[@thecalmclone2813]

@@tinyelephant1533 Let me rephrase that, when mandalore was attacked by the empire, she might have been blamed for that.

[@tylerbradfield9981]

Recent dark saber history: Sabine plucked it off the ground. She is not a worthy wielder. Then Sabine fought someone for possession of it In one on one combat and won, making her worthy. Bo was not worthy, so she refused. Then the clans rallied on her and she was worthy of ruling, and accepted the symbolic blade to boot. Wishy washy here, but Gideon takes the dark saber and purges mandalore, proving that Bo was not a strong enough leader to save her people and not strong enough a warrior to keep the blade. She is no longer worthy. Now Din has reclaimed the blade for the mandalorians in one on one combat, making him worthy by rule of that combat ritual. Bo however no longer has any claim whatsoever to being worthy of the dark saber because of her failings. Defeating the weilder in one on one ritual combat is the only option left for her after the disgrace that fell the mandalorians under her rule

[@DK-gy7ll]

This is probably the best explanation.

[@Jayne_Rose]

Agreed

[@CommanderTexas]

When you feel down and think you're a failure just remember at least you're not Bo Katan.

[@hefrov10]

Imagine having to face Sidious for the right to rule Mandalore LOL

[@jokerboy4299]

There’s only one dark saber not two so I don’t think anyone could beat him.

[@mikejohnstonbob935]

I think bo was right to not acknowledging maul as not mandalore cos if all it took was winning the darksaber to rule, then every mandalore would've been a sith or jedi. It's basically a free army.

[@dr.robotnick1888]

@@mikejohnstonbob935 Pre Vizla was an idiot accepting Maul's challenge in the first place, Mandalore was already his, he didn't have to prove anything to Maul....

[@Smasher-bq1uk]

@@dr.robotnick1888 i agree

[@willcarter3003]

@@dr.robotnick1888 he was an idiot for trying to double-cross maul in the first place no-one backstabs a sith and gets away with it

[@its4uhfriend]

This episode feels more Star Wars than the sequel trilogy

[@batman6621]

because it is actually star wars

[@jamezzz0035]

Dave Filloni and Jon Favreau finally did it! They brought balance to the force!

[@maltep9659]

what sequel trilogy?

[@layson7777]

Faxx and on a very low budget compared to the movies..... just shows you how bad the plot and script of the sequel trilogy are

[@user-dg7um8xt9r]

geez, people still bitch about the sequel trilogy? Get over it already lmao. star wars "fans" are pathetic.

[@michaelwilliams369]

Theory you forget that Bo Katan was ruler of Madalore during the infamous “Night of a thousand tears” in which the Empire sacked Mandalore and scorched it’s surface and turned it into glass. The dark saber was probably taken from her during that event or she may have lost it later in another conflict either way she failed as ruler of Mandalore so therefore in her quest to regain the dark saber she simply can’t just have it handed to her without winning it through one on one combat or she would be viewed as a false ruler and her rule would be disputed. It’s all very Arthurian when you think about it. In the King Arthur legends Camelot (or in this case Mandalore) had a king but he was a false king because he didn’t wield the true sword of the king, Excalibur (or in this case the Dark Saber)

[@suddenimpulse030]

I am very confused why they are trying to take back a glassed planet. What would be the point. This seems conflicting story wise.

[@ian_snow]

@@suddenimpulse030 my guess is that taking Mandalore is largely symbolic.

[@canderousboredo]

@@suddenimpulse030 if I stole something from you , you don't want it back because I peed on it ? It doesn't do down like that

[@fartsniffer1195]

@@suddenimpulse030 it’s there home and Bo probably thinks it’s the only way to reunite the mandorians

[@suddenimpulse030]

@@canderousboredo I was asking for clarification as I may have been unaware of the full context of the situation with the planet. I definitely understand the symbolic decision. Especially since their other main planet is Concord Dawn which isn't exactly in the best..condition...

[@nebcrr]

Well it’s safe to say Din will have the dark saber in season 3 and won’t be the last time seeing Bo Katan in the series.

[@yikelu]

My theory: competing legitimate claims is what necessitates the trial by combat. Context below. I went back to watch the scene in Rebels where Bo accepts the Dark Saber. She had just lead a successful assault on the Imperial weapons facility and a bunch of clans directly acknowledged her right to lead. Contrast to the current situation. Mandalore glassed, presumably while Bo was ruler -- that could not have earned her much support. They successfully capture the Imperial cruiser, but only 1 other Mandalorian that cares is present. So while Bo did not gain the saber in a trial by combat the first time, she did earn it in a sense. And we can infer that when she lost it, it was also accompanied by a massive military defeat and destruction of her home planet. So the "story that has power" isn't about earning the right to the saber in a trial by combat, it's about earning the right to lead in general, and in this particular case presumably about doing so by avenging the destruction of the planet by defeating Gideon. In that case, Bo and Din have legitimate competing claims -- she has experience and actually cares whereas he is the hero that took down Gideon. That leads me to conclude that competing legitimate claims is what necessitates the trial by combat. Think also of the Satine/Viszla/Maul situation. Satine never held the Dark Saber when she ruled. Later Death Watch convinced the public of a story that she was incompetent with some Dark Saber thrown in for good measure. Then Maul challenges Viszla. Do you think Death Watch would have allowed some rando to make that challenge? Hell no. It's only because Maul was absolutely instrumental in them taking over and they see that, hence his claim had as much weight as Viszla's. You even see in that scene Viszla realizing his troops wouldn't follow him if he refused the duel.

[@2noomreppu]

i completely agree. in rebels all of the clans present agreed that they would follow her so she knew she had to accept. that had meaning because all of the mandalorian clans present wanted her to lead.

[@jtrillz3953]

So we not gonna talk about how Din is the ruler of Mandalore now 😳

[@natesaunders2105]

Guess not

[@averageinternettroll]

Now everyone isn't allowed to take off their helmet or ban

[@DevilWolf000]

There is nothing on Mandalore he is the ruler of nothing.

[@Landoor]

@@DevilWolf000 he’s the ruler of all mandalorians. So, NO he’s not the ruler of nothing

[@natesaunders2105]

Mandalore probably still has people living there just not warriors

[@TheGreatElderOne]

The point is her taking it in rebels is what makes no sense, according to their traditions and superstitions, there's an obvious story missing in the middle here (one of course they'll hash out at some point), the Story that probably involves her regrets for taking the sword improperly and as a result why she subsequently lost it, whatever that story is it will likely involve her personal loss of mandalore and possibly the death of Sabine Wren, and her coming to terms with the notion that because she did not take the sword legitimately, that its legacy was then from her point of view, cursed

[@youretotallyrightbut463]

No. It’s simple. Sabine never won it, Sabine didn’t have a true claim to it. She stole it from maul without any fight. Mando actually won it in combat and is therefore the rightful holder

[@Mysikrysa]

Yep, Rebels suck. The series tries to turn her into some heroic character while she has always been a villain and she should stay that way. "Bo is the woman of honor" line int the video totally destroyed me with laughter because this is not true at all. Even in the previous episode of The Mandalorian she was shown to break her word and manipulate Din. I don´t know if some people watch with blindfolds on their eyes or what.

[@mercenaryknight5419]

The Mandalorian seems to be going out of its way to ignore Rebels. This makes me wonder if an honorable duel will happen. Also, she was never a villain, more like morally grey.

[@AldentheBlue]

@@Mysikrysa There is this air around the character that feels like she believes she is in charge, that she thinks she is rightful ruler. I got a good feel for that after they stormed the bridge in the season 2 finale.

[@rikhardrrr]

@@youretotallyrightbut463 isn't it like horcrux in HP when you have to beat/kill last rightfull owner? If it is, then the last owner was Maul and as far as I remember both Palps and Obi beat him.

[@allthatjazz4437]

Perhaps when Bo Katan took it from Sabine and didn’t follow the code, she regretted it, the people didn’t take her seriously. So now she needs to win it the right way, so that the story will give her reputation strength.

[@Richxcore]

It can’t be that the people didn’t take her seriously as they all expected her when she finally took up the saber in rebels

[@allthatjazz4437]

@@Richxcore most of those people were her own soldiers, they knew she deserved it. But if she didn’t have the story of winning it from Maul, the other clans may not listen to her

[@afbene1]

Feels like Bo’s reluctance is back story that will be fleshed out in the third season.

[@thorsmith5946]

My thoughts: 1. Maul losing to Palpatine: Palpatine didn’t want it. No one “saw” Maul lose. Maul can continue to claim it & tell the story of how he won it originally, but eventually abandons it since he never really cared about Mandalore itself. 2. Bo Katan failed to hold on to the Mandalore throne after just “accepting” the darksaber. Now maybe she is going to be more hesitant to just take it as she did before (superstitious).

[@ZeCroiSSanT950]

Wait a min, so you're saying that Palpatine is the rightful leader of Mandalore? Damn, he's one badass dark lord of the Sith.

[@jstack759]

Dark Saber should have gone from Maul to Palpatine to Vader to Luke to Grogu!

[@alketsadedinaj3011]

@@jstack759 when u realize grogu is going to get killed by kylo ren...

[@adryandawnstarr477]

i always thought that losing to Palpatine didnt really count because it wasnt a fair one on one. It was Maul and Savage against Sidious. Them losing doesnt really matter because in order for it to be a duel for the right, it has to be one on one.

[@DarthSoto78]

@@alketsadedinaj3011 There is a theory that they are going to use World Between Worlds to change the future, and delete the sequel trilogy.

[@dqueezy923]

She probably would have taken it if Gideon didn’t say all that in front of everyone.

[@riwanramli7604]

True. How smart that moff is.

[@SavageCips]

Yup this seem to be the only possibility and when he mentions “only your leaving me alive this will be interesting” something like that

[@simos6jipros154]

@@SavageCips yeah he said "You're sparing my life? Well this should be interesting" and it's great from the show because they tell us that Cara needed him alive, if she didnt then Din would have killed him there and then

[@ThisHandleIsInteresting]

@@riwanramli7604 It’s a shame he was barely in the season. They introduce him only for him to do absolutely NOTHING in the following season. Truly a waste of Esposito’s unmatched talent. He more or less stands out from the rest of the cast. Hopefully he serves an actual long term purpose in the next season in which he’s not reduced to just some obstacle for the heroes. Cause he really didn’t feel like any more of an obstacle this season. First season made him out to be a potentially HUGE complex threat of a villain.

[@mpsorrentino]

@@ThisHandleIsInteresting Pretty sure Gideon is working under Thrawn, that alone makes Gideon a major threat as Thrawn only deals with the best of the best, he doesn't waste time on those he deems inferior unless its for a mission he expects to fail that exists solely to study his enemies' actions/response.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Thor Skywalker has a really good explanation. Basically, she was already given it once by someone who won it in combat (who presented it to her formally as a submission of loyalty) and lost it to Gideon. Now Din beats Gideon and offers it cause he “doesn’t want it”? Yeah, there’s no meaning left in the saber if she’d taken it a second time by just being given it. If she’d won it in combat the *story* of the saber would be strong again

[@Mysikrysa]

Gideon had the explanation, I don´t know why this is even a question. :D

[@PisstachioDisguisey]

I love to see other fans of Thor’s videos. Definitely my favorite SW youtuber

[@christianbrown8908]

I just binge-watched the entire show yesterday and it’s absolutely fantastic! I watched for 10 straight hours! 10/10

[@PadawanRushlow]

It isn’t that hard to understand. She can’t just take it this time as well. The other Mandalorians would never respect her as the true ruler of Mandalore. She’s just a pretender like Moff Gideon said. He explained why she can’t just take it from Din. Din earned the Dark Saber without even knowing the true meaning of the weapon. His story arc is going onto its rise now, he’s let go of his attachments (Grogu) and is now going to fight for the greater good of the galaxy. He wields the story of the Dark Saber and the power that comes with it. Everyone there witnessed his act of heroism and how he earned the dark saber so Bo instantly knows she can’t just take it from him as soon as those doors open and Din was wielding it she knew she was in for some shit

[@namegoeshere5220]

This is the way.

[@Mysikrysa]

Haha! Exactly. Her stories to tell are/would be basically: 1) I was handed the darksaber by my Mary Sue friend who won it in a fight. 2) I was handed the darksaber by a Mandalorian from Children of the Watch clan who was unaware of my manipulation and defeated the previous wielder as a collateral gain when he was saving his foundling. When I put these two stories next to each other, the first story is about an unworthy pretender. The second would be a story about an unworthy pretender who basically robbed the rightful wielder for her personal selfish reason, while the rightful wielder won the darksaber in a fight he fought for selfless reason. The difference is so obvious.

[@MessiahEntertainment]

@@Mysikrysa you forgot the story in the middle about how the saber she got handed was taken from her just as her people were being wiped out and their planet being turned to glass.

[@MessiahEntertainment]

Exactly, she was handed it the first time, and the mandalorians were nearly wiped out with the Imperials taking the saber almost as a trophy. Now we’re gonna hand it to her again? The Great Purge happened under her watch. She wanted to amend the story of her losing it, and the mandalorians losing with another story of how she rose back up and took it back from Gideon, and thus was the honorable hero of mandalore who avenged her people. I mean, even if she took it back from Din in combat, it wouldn’t have the same effect. Din will always be the mandalorian that took it back from the Empire.

[@edsontorres5047]

She probably doesn’t want to take it because she accepted it from Sabine and she lost it so she doesn’t feel like she can’t have it unless she wins it honorably

[@bigboi5545]

It's quite simple to figure out, if you're willing to put yourself in the character's head. Think about it. As a consequence of The Purge of Mandalore occuring under Bo's leadership, she failed her people and her planet to a ridiculous degree. She no doubt looks back on being gifted the Saber from Sabine as some huge blunder, and wishes for nothing more than to defeat Gideon herself and truly earn back the Darksaber he almost certainly stole from her. She probably sees besting him as the only way to not only avenge her people and home, but also as the only way to restore her own pride and honor. That's why she seems so incredibly pissed at Din. Having defeated Gideon, he cost Bo her one shot at redemption.

[@Mysikrysa]

Why is everyone selectivelly forgeting about her terrible atrocities she commited against the poor civilians and also against her own sister, the dutchess whom she helped to overthrown and kill? She is the last person who deserves to rule after this.

[@tinyelephant1533]

@@Mysikrysa Because at this point, no one gives a shit about that anymore. She has been fighting for Mandalorian freedom for a long time, and trying to take account of what she did during the clone wars is irrelevant. No one really cares about what she did then. Plus, they're Mandalorians, do you really expect them to be upset about that kind of stuff in the first place?

[@bigboi5545]

@@Mysikrysa I never said I'm for or against Bo being leader of Mandalore, nor did I ever allude to thinking she's a good person. I'm simply trying to explain why Bo feels the need to uphold the Darksaber traditions now, despite subverting them 9+ years earlier in Rebels.

[@GingyAnaJoe]

EXACTLY WHAT I SAID

[@Saintbow]

Maybe she cost herself that shot at redemption. Honesty tends to prevent failure and when she failed to fill Din in on the full lore of the "powerful weapon", she doomed herself. She mocked his sect, she mocked his way of life, she told him that she was better than him, and she even told him his quest was over. Only when the chance of getting her hands on the saber and her greed was on display came out, is when she joined the mission. She failed herself and all of her people again. Din is more honorable then she will ever be.

[@Scruffy677]

She wants to feel like the chosen one instead of a fake

[@Mysikrysa]

She is a narcissist, so she feels like the chosen one by default but she is salty when life doesn´t recognize her as the chosen one. :D

[@cardinals0506]

Sabine wren defended her claim or earned her claim in front of clan wren when she defeated Gar Saxon. Prior to the fight her mother said she had no claim because she didn’t take it from Maul. To which Sabine said I have it dont I. I guess the abandonment rule plus she ended up defending her claim from Gar. Then 6 clans said they would stand behind Bo Katan saying they wanted her to take it. Majority rules voted into power? Now Din Djarin has won it in battle and his claim seems to be valid just because he earned it from Moff Gideon. I mean how else could anyone earn it? By going back to Maul and saying fight me? Nope he’s dead. Going to Darth Sidious and saying fight me. Nope he’s dead. Going to Darth Vader and saying fight me? Nope he’s dead. I think as long as it is won in battle there is no other way to track down who has “True” claim to the Darksaber. Din vs Sabine because she may be the only other one who has claim that was won in battle? That is if Moff Gideon didn’t win it in battle or at some point defend his claim to it. Anyone can challenge Din to cement his claim or for them to win claim in battle. Bo or anyone can challenge. It was originally a symbol of the leader of house Vizsla and later the group Death Watch. It is an important symbol to house Vizsla for their ancestor made it and another ancestor used it to unit and control all of Madalore. This is what makes all clans respected it as the symbol of their ruler. This makes me think Paz Vizsla could challenge to bring it back to his house. He’ll also be pissed that Din has taken off his helmet. Please let me know what you think!!! Thanks if you actually read this.

[@randomps5673]

Nice 💯

[@Mysikrysa]

"I mean how else could anyone earn it? By going back to Maul and saying fight me? Nope he’s dead. Going to Darth Sidious and saying fight me. Nope he’s dead. Going to Darth Vader and saying fight me? Nope he’s dead. I think as long as it is won in battle there is no other way to track down who has “True” claim to the Darksaber. "

[@dahooodini7407]

Rey owns it, she just gets all

[@ethangiesbrecht4865]

I really like your thoughts on this, especially with Paz Vizsla challenging Din next season. However, I just wanted to correct you when you said “It is an important symbol to house Vizsla for their ancestor made it and another ancestor used it to unite and control all of Mandalore.” Tarre Vizsla was the one who made it AND the one who united Mandalore.

[@axelfs2532]

Mysikrysa I couldn’t agree more, it’d be similar to the issue of the elder wand in HP, who tf actually knows in that universe when there is so many different definitions for beating another wizard. In this case it’s just as bad, you could argue a triangular ownership between Luke/Palp/Vader due to the outcome in ROTJ

[@Durrox06]

It makes sense to me. She was never the rightful ruler and was just given the Saber. She ruled her people twice and messed up twice, she simply doesn’t feel worthy

[@pearsemolloy9656]

Beat me to it I think the explanation truly is this simple

[@themasked_senshi4521]

My exact thoughts

[@rhian6459]

Yes this is the best answer. Before she was happy to take it, but now she clearly doesnt feel like she deserves it after losing it and losing her people.

[@TacShooter]

Oh, she has said it is hers, but she appears to be a politician. She's making a PR decision.

[@martinh1309]

Matbe she isnt worthy? Her and her lakei talking like that to Boba showed how stupid she is

[@blakewharper]

It’s not the item, it’s the story! In politics it’s “perception is reality” I think that Bo accepted it in Rebels and a large portion of Mandalorians rejected her as leader for that. They were probably already skeptical about her having only liberated Mandalor with help from Ahsoka and the Clones, and probably only thought of her as a pretender already. Accepting it that way cemented it.

[@bunit1701]

This, it seems implied that Bo had problems the last time it was 'given', and she wants to avoid those problems this time around.

[@davidyau7312]

Completely agree, I think that Jon and Dave will have an explanation for this in future seasons similar to the not taking off the helmet stuff from the first season. I have complete faith that these two have it all mapped out and this was not just creating drama for the sake of it. So I think we all need to be patient and all will be revealed eventually.

[@youretotallyrightbut463]

It’s actually simple. Sabine never had a claim to the saber. She stole it from maul. She never won it. Mando won it in combat. It’s different.

[@timmerk7363]

@@youretotallyrightbut463 Nobody knew how Sabine got it, they were probably just dumb enaugh to tell the truth, instead of just making up a story about how they fought Maul about it. As long as the narrative is good enaugh, you can get away with breaking traditions.

[@blakewharper]

@@davidyau7312 also remember this is SW by Dave, he holds that SW is fundamentally for kids that need some good in their lives. Bo now has naked ambition and feels entitled, while Din is fundamentally a good person trying to do good for everyone at his expense. Grogu has awakened this in him. I don’t think Dave is going to reward Bo with leadership for a 3rd time without a personality change. I don’t think Din will be Jon, it may not come to a decision by him, but I do see him having a similar arc if he joins the fight to regain Mandalor with the DS.

[@ElteHupkes]

What confuses me is that nobody in that room showed any intention of using the thing against the Dark Troopers.

[@krapto3467]

I read some comment off another video that suggested that since the ownership of the dark saber at that time was very skewed,The clans decided to award it to Bo-Katan as they wanted her to lead Mandalore against the Empire. But now that Mandalore was lost to the Empire under her watch,She will definitely have to win the Dark saber to prove herself to be worthy of becoming a Mand'alor. Din Djarin won the Saber fair and square back from the Empire with honour,Which would make him the rightful leader of all Mandalorians.Since now Din Djarin gained it the Traditional way from Moff Gideon,There is no doubt or confusion about who the actual wielder of the Darksaber is.Due to this,the Darksaber cannot simply be passed down to Bo-Katan like it was the last time.

[@Retro_Floyd]

Someone needs to give this man an award

[@maximusgurath7186]

Sabine never “won” the dark saber, she simply stole it from maul, and therefore bo Katan wasn’t obligated to fight her to take it. All the mandalorian clans agreed that bo katan should have the dark saber, so that’s the only reason she took it, to unite mandalore against the empire. She couldn’t take it from din because din won it in combat.

[@Mysikrysa]

Bo-Katan has never had any right to the darksaber: not thanks to the darksaber handed to her, not just because she is sister of Satine - the dutchess whom Bo helped to overthrown and kill. She is the last person who deserves it. If I was a Mando in the SW word, I would riot against her and kill her the moment she would lay her hands on it, or died trying. I think Rebels show fu*ks up everything because the other clans would never consider Bo a rightful owner of the darksaber and there is no reason why they should respect her for basically killing her sister with extra steps. It is not cannon in my headcannon.

[@Ringking-ws7bz]

How she going to challenge to get it he has A spear and the sword. She has to have a dueling weapon. Mando ruined her plans in the only way Mando could and thats not knowing the laws really. Mando should not be fighting her but learning to use it. I think Mando will feel very lonely without Grogu. He should have a new kinda side kick next season not Mandalorian. Mando needs a female friend. Alls of Star Wars but Luke the hero has the love interest

[@Jack-0-lantern]

What about the Gar Saxon duel? How does that play into the rules?

[@TheBobafett12367]

Gar Saxon never yielded and then he got killed by Sabine’s mom

[@Talrion]

By creed the Darksaber is his now unless she fights for it again

[@TheAwesomeAlan]

It's a flaw in her character involving pride. You know how in Breaking Bad, Walter says he's cooking meth for his family? Doing what he has to? When in reality, he just enjoys it. It's pride. Bo Katan accepted the Dark Saber originally because Maul had it, abandoned it, and when getting it back, no one else could really say who it belonged to. This is different, with Moff Gideon stating outright that people would KNOW it wasn't earned by her, and that she had no claim. It was getting to her, you could tell. It's not a flaw in the writing, it's a flaw in Bo Katan's character.

[@sarasmith8506]

I agree. In the Mandalorian I find her character power hungry and personally a bit of a turn off. I think the dark saber is with the right mandalorian right now.

[@lobsterman7153]

I love that BB comparison! Kinda reminds me of that scene in S2 or S3 of Breaking Bad where Gus tells Walt that "man provides no matter what." It gets to Walt like how Gideon telling Bo that she didn't earn the sabre gets to her, maybe it'll motivate Bo to do something horrible?

[@irritatedasian]

Bo Katan Theory: Perhaps Bo Katan’s revolt on Mandalore against Clan Saxon failed because news was spread of her never winning the Dark Saber in a duel and led enough powerful Mandalorian traditionalists to not follow her . This might also be why Death Watch & the Children of the Watch consider Mandalore “destroyed” and we only see her with at most 2 followers. A false ruler tried to take the throne and let it remain in despotic hands (maybe true Imperial rule via Gideon winning the saber and ousting Clan Saxon), causing the majority of Mandalore to not support her. She might want to earn the Saber fair and square to appease the traditionalists and truly revive Mandalore, making up for her terrible mistake. (Potential Season 3 plot/sub-plot/reveal) Sidenote: This could also be an explanation for why Gideon chose to face Din, how he arrogantly revealed the meaning behind the Dark Saber, and taunted Bo Katan of not being the rightful ruler if she took Din’s offer (although it could still be the case that he knew because he defeated her and/or studied Mandalorian culture)

[@KMReviews]

We used to say it didn’t make sense that the Mandalorian didn’t remove his helmet when they did in Rebels. They explained it this season. Obviously Filoni and Favreau know all about the history, so I’m guessing next season will introduce Sabine and explain this situation more. Perhaps there’s more that happened to Bo we didn’t see, with people not respecting her snd she told herself she would just never take it again, she would earn it. But my theory is that she’s not getting it back. The Mandalorian is gonna turn into an Aragorn situation. Started off as a ranger snd became king. I think that’s what’s gonna happen with him in Mandalore!

[@michaelspianochannel]

I think that would be awesome!! Hopefully he'd be like mandalore the preserver and unite the clans

[@KMReviews]

@@michaelspianochannel I mean that would be a way to make the show more grande! Start on a small scale as a bounty Hunter, these last couple seasons really developed a heart and evolved, and now onto bigger things like that! Otherwise idk how you keep a show going about a mandalorian just just doing normal bounties and stuff lol

[@lotr635]

He did promise bo katan he would help her. In future episodes he will meet other mandalorians who will be even more impresse because of the story of how he won it. Bo katans only choice is to defeat him in combat.

[@KMReviews]

@@lotr635 I think they will definitely battle. However I think the story will develop a way for him to want to win, and he will, and the story will go in the direction of restoring mandalore with him at the top

[@originalpixel7432]

I just feel like she didn’t take it because wanted to truly earn it this time. She probably feels bad that she had just been given it before, and now she wants to earn it for real.

[@eternalmasterjaeger]

"Assume I know everything." Gideon knew whos voice that was on comms. Gideon knew both Din and Bo were coming. What better way to lose the Dark Saber than to a Child of Watch. If Bo took back the saber then Gideon would have talked and then different clans would have been questioning her right to rule Mandalore, especially the child of watch. So we will see how things will turn out next season

[@acevarios6073]

Imagine how pissed Bo would’ve been if Boba didn’t leave and actually beat Gideon instead of her.

[@hunterg.1300]

Lmao, his first rule as Mandalore would be to demote Bo-Katan to local custodian.

[@ghostbladev]

And after he beat Gideon and gain the darksaber, we have an epic rematch between Boba and Luke

[@ariq4209]

@@ghostbladev Luke would kill him in 3 seconds not epic lol.

[@chrismarple]

@@ariq4209 Luke would definitely win but in 3 seconds is stupid boba is extremely strong

[@chrism9954]

@@chrismarple can't be that strong he was getting his ass kicked by that other mandolorian bo katans friend in the bar.

[@SquirrelASMR]

She only took it from Sabine because she was worried it would become the rainbow saber

[@bl3187]

?

[@shocktrooperstudios659]

Lol.

[@Daemonik]

@@bl3187 Sabine had a habit of painting stuff in bright colours

[@rhian6459]

Lmao

[@israelwilson4022]

I actually like that mando has the dark saber and I hope he keeps it

[@kenobean]

Exactly! Sabine should have done the same in rebels. It annoyed me so much that one of the fricken MAJOR CHARACTERS gave away the fricken DARKSABER, one of the coolest weapons in star wars, just because there was a cameo from a more popular series!! That is just cutting out so much character development, taking the spotlight off the main characters, and made sabine look like a wimp. It's like saying, "hey! Look at me! I have a character from the clone wars! Come watch me!" I watched rebels for its own story and characters. It's ok to have a few cameos, but don't have the plot build up to a moment that surrounds them.

[@republicsoundtracks]

Me too

[@israelwilson4022]

Luke: A Jedi’s lightsaber should be treated with more respect That go’s for a mandalorian’s darksaber too

[@jgenoese]

I think you nailed it at 2:20... Gideon called her out so she had to admit it

[@ultrainstinctgoku1926]

She had it stolen from her from a non-mandalorian, that’s why she can’t just take it back. It has to be done through different means

[@jkgf4671]

Maul took it from Vizsla and Sabine didn't beat Maul yet she claimed it.

[@baxter326]

@@jkgf4671 And then Bo-Katan lost it. Not a good story for Bo-Katan to just receive it again a 2nd time. We'll find out what happened, but it didn't sound like all of Mandalorians were united with Bo-Katan and the Empire was able to defeat them.

[@lordbyron3603]

The Darksaber belongs to Mando !!! Mando kinda reminds me of the “The boy who would be King” story. The King Arthur story. Arthur was reluctant to take the sword. He even gave it to someone else. But it ended up in his hands eventually and then became King!! Dinn could be in the same predicament.

[@Astrozi]

I really like this analogy, maybe Bo ends up challenging Din to a duel to win her honour and the saber back but Din ends up winning the duel?

[@Mysikrysa]

All hail Mandalore the Dad!

[@dallasclark5533]

The reluctant hero, similar to Jon Snow's character from GoT.

[@gersoncruz4570]

She probably wanted to earn the dark saber this time. Maybe last time she was looked down upon because she didn’t earn it. So this was her chance of proving herself. She always gets mocked with “princess”, as shown in the finale. Simple.

[@TheGreatestOne15]

you forgot to mention that she lost it to the empire losing something you didnt earn in the first place and then getting it handed to you again what does that make you no mandalorian giving a damn about tradition or culture would follow her but in my opinion the mandalorians of this age arent mandalorians they used to rally to the greatest warrior that claimed the title of Mandalore now they follow the weapon of their sworn enemy wich one of them actualy joined ......

[@atlasmb8255]

Not sure she was looked down. She accepted the Darksaber after the clans chose her as leader of Mandalore

[@gersoncruz4570]

Atlas MB looked down upon by prospectors.. for example Moff Gideon, Boba (always calling her princess) obviously that’s an ongoing joke that’s been going around for a while towards her. Maybe even ppl who opposed her after some time in her own clan/s. Furthermore, they could’ve pointed out how she was handed the dark saber to discredit her availability to rule mandolore... now you can see why she would want a noble combat for it.

[@josephh5085]

Makes sense. She was adamant about facing Gideon, saying he has something that belongs to her. She wanted to win it rightfully this time.

[@atlasmb8255]

@@gersoncruz4570 Ah yes, so it makes even more sense that she refuses the second time. I didn’t see it that way.

[@porjo01]

Why can’t Jin just say bo is in charge while he is away and never come back.

[@porjo01]

@Podcast - SørenCast Z You are 100% correct. I am dumb as they come and when people like me start poking holes in the plot contrivance because it barely has a leg to stand on and fall over easy, it not a very good written plot. They are doing really good, but need to be careful and not screw it up and get sloppy like the last 5 Star Wars movies. How did you feel when the bought Palpatine back with barely no back story. He just showed up and said I'm here, so Rey can kick my ass and look like a hero.

[@darthvaderdylan]

im not sure it works like that if they are of separate clans

[@liamnevilleviolist1809]

because Jin is a Tekken character....?

[@jesuschrist7833]

Lmao she pulled a Monty Python and was like “I already got one”.

[@TechoNeko]

Oh Jesus

[@almightytm2399]

Does this mean that technically din is mandalore

[@ashraf0131]

Now we just need some farcical aquatic ceremonies to determine supreme power

[@bruno.cassa1]

Holy Shot

[@jesusoftheapes]

YES IT is VEERA NICEA . Now GO AWAY You silly English King! Or I will be forced to taunt you a second tima !

[@1m1a]

I think she should say “1, 2, 3, 4, I declare a thumb war”. That’s a battle, isn’t it?

[@sarab6580]

No, It’s a full on war

[@j_91ford38]

I think Bo took it in rebels only because the situation called for her to take charge, the planet of Mandalore was completely occupied by the empire and the threat they posed was more immediate. Now I think she knows that there are too many divided factions of Mandalorians spread throughout the galaxy and they won’t all be eager to reunite under her rule, so she needs to acquire the dark saber in the most epic and by the book way as possible to impress all the factions.

[@Spectralyzed]

Also, she was actually pretty reluctant to take it in the first place, but then the rest of the clans confirmed that they were behind her, so she took it.

[@dylanp5767]

The way I see it, it makes total sense why she simply doesn’t take it. For one, she likely doesn’t see any honor in simply just taking it by default again. Secondly, like Gideon says, the saber has no power, but the story does. Where’s the power and honor in a story where you were simply given by the saber through no honorable battle once, losing it, and being given it again? Nowhere, because there is none. Imagine being declared the winner and champion of a boxing match before the fight begins, simply because your opponent doesn’t want to fight you and yields . Like sure, you’re the winner, but there’s no power in that. And taking the saber again, through no honorable battle, let alone after losing it, has no power. Like Gideon says again, she is a pretender to the throne if she simply takes it there.

[@kennysung5068]

Lucas films/Disney: “YOU GET A SHOW AND YOU GET A SHOW! You want a show? HERES A SHOW!” -not complaining btw-

[@gracielou05]

I love all this new DLF content so much!!

[@katiehelms8903]

@@gracielou05 SAME

[@rbarua3368]

As long as all of this isn’t coming as some sacrifice of quality, I’m good with it.

[@kennysung5068]

@@rbarua3368 Yeah can’t be a forced fan service mess like the newest trilogy

[@reno.rodolfo3089]

@@kennysung5068 this again? Omg...

[@DanteYewToob]

I think the major difference is the Purge... whatever happened finally broke them. Mandalorians have been through a lot, and they are tough but they are just "human" and whatever happened during the purge was something many of them couldn't recover from. There is no hope, and the vast majority of Mandalorians are dead or scattered and the only ones remaining true to Mandalore are a cult or ex-terrorists. They had a desire before, they had fight in them. This time, Bo needs something drastic to for her people to rally behind. A story, a symbol... they need some hope. They need to know they won't be throwing their lives away for a glass ball and a black sword. She knows this. She has been trying to recruit for years, trying to find anyone to listen and most of them are probably like Din (Moved on, no interest in mandalore) or Boba (believe the world is dead an pointless) or frog lady.. moved on a started lives they refuse to leave. It's been years and we've seen Bo has one small ship and two Mandos... it's not going well. The rules don't exist, they aren't laws of the universe... it's just about what will move the hearts and minds of her people. What will actually work to help take back Mandalore! Din might actually be exactly what she needs, while Boba will be a thorn in her side. As Din sets a good example, clad in pure Beskar with a code of honor and the Darksaber, Boba will be running the underworld giving Mandalorians a bad image because no one knows any better. I'm very interested to see this play out.

[@nydabeats]

I get it... she took it once without winning it in battle, then lost it to Moff Gideon, if she was to be "gifted" the saber again by the person (another Mandalorian) who beat Moff Gideon thats just game over for her lore as ruler... The Mandos wont respect that and she knows it... They will follow Din when they hear the story...

[@ronanrandomness]

They could have either: A: have mando and bo Karan “fight “ and let bo win. Mando didn’t kill maf Gideon and he still is the owner. B: killed Gideon and just say bo katan win

[@DraconusStar]

This aint the Elder wand lmao. You dont have to kill the previous owner

[@agedfeet]

how about c: she gets her ass kicked ....and moves on to something else .

[@carlhluers]

I think it makes sense, she was reluctant to take it last time, but she did and her attempt to reunite Mandalore failed. she now realizes that in order to reunite her people she has to be the rightful owner of the dark saber. she wasn't last time and that's why she failed. since Grogu is gone, next season, din will be the one to reunite Mandlaore and I don't think Bo will try to take it from him

[@jackghaderi377]

Thank god someone said this this is the only theory i agree with so far

[@chrisnorris3641]

he has agrred to help her so maybe she will recognize his strength and act as his 1st in command or something

[@adamkehoe7745]

In Rebels the Mandalorian clans were backing Bo Katan as leader before she even had the darksaber so all she had to do then was accept it from Sabine because the clans were already with her. But now she has lost the saber to Gideon and in doing so she has lost the respect from the Mandalorian clans, she now has to prove herself worthy of the darksaber this time by defeating Din in combat. Then she will have gained the respect and trust from the Mandalorian clans again in order to rule and be accepted as leader of Mandalore.

[@justchilling704]

We don't even know how he got it, Gideon probably just stole it, I doubt he won it in combat so it should still be Bo's.

[@jagray02]

If Gideon won it from Bo, this is the most likely explanation imo. Since she didn’t earn it in combat the first time, if she lost it to Gideon, and Dinn won it back FOR her, she looks extremely weak by accepting it.

[@balletabela]

In my most recent rewatch, I finally caught the one word that explains it: again. "In order for her to wield the Dark Saber AGAIN..." So apparently, if you already had it once, in order to take possession, you must defeat the new owner in combat. Filoni is a genius. It makes sense because if you were a royal who inherited it and then lost it, the Mandalore way would be a battle for the saber.

[@jamesdigriz5449]

The last episode made perfect sense to me. Baby Yoda is now off to his training, Mando needs to get his hands busy with a new mission, which is now obviously helping take back Mandalore and him being a leader or at least a partner of Bo Katan in whatever framework the two decide they go forward.

[@GdayM8yPat8y]

I think we have to consider that the people of Mandalore most likely don't know that Maul fought Sidious and lost to him. That fight was between Maul, Sidious, and Savage. No one witnessed it, and as far as I know, Palpatine never claimed the sword for himself. As far as anyone knows, Maul is still the rightful owner as he claims to be the ruler in season 7 despite not having the Darksaber. He probably doesn't want anyone to know. So while Palpatine technically is the rightful ruler, Maul won't tell anyone so he can maintain power. In regards to Sabine, she never earned the Darksaber. She didn't fight anyone for it, she found it in a cave while she was under mind control. She is not the rightful wielder. So when she hands it to Bo Katan, she can assume Maul is dead, and not know of Palpatines right to it. The sword is up for grabs. We don't know how Gideon acquired it, if it was in combat then he is the rightful ruler. If not, then he is not a rightful ruler and thus has no true claim (like Sabine) and is not a true wielder. But the fact that he mentions the importance of winning it in combat means he could have won it. Either way, Din beat him in single combat. The tradition is restored and Din may claim the sword because Maul is dead and Palpatine is "dead." (Everyone believes he is dead at this point in the timeline.) If Gideon won the sword in combat, then by beating him, Din is the rightful ruler. If Gideon did not win the sword, then Din still has a claim to it because he earned it through combat regardless of whether or not there was a "true" ruler. Those are just my thoughts but I'd love to hear if anyone has anything to add. This is just how I've justified the scene. I think this makes sense in regards to everything we've seen of the Darksaber but maybe SW Theory will see this comment and make more sense of out it XD.

[@kungolaf4499]

Well basically Obi-Wan is the rightful ruler since he kills Maul. And then Vader kills Obi-Wan... And then the official history of the Star Wars universe claims that Luke Skywalker defeared the Emperor (secret rightful owner) and Vader (the other secret rightful owner). Luke Skywalker is the rightful ruler of Mandalore in the official history of the universe and Maul (after losing to Sidious), Sabine (after finding it), Bo (after having been given it) ans Gideon (after taking it through Imperial and technological means without even killing Bo) are just pretenders. So what Luke should have done is come in and take the child and the saber.

[@jackykwan3241]

@@kungolaf4499 but there is a problem: Luke throw away his lightsaber after defeating Vader, yet Palpatine defeat Luke by releasing sith lightening, then defeated by Vader by throwing Palpatine into reactor and Vader is dead...So, technically there is no rightful owner until Din?

[@themedianman9712]

@@jackykwan3241 I don't know if you guys are doing this for laughs, but there is an easy explanation here...Mandalore's code is inherently flawed. As such, it guarantees the ultimate destruction of its people. While they bickered over the code, Gideon got in some extra shots. Parallels exist with Anakin/Dooku and Mace/Palpatine.

[@jackghaderi377]

I think that mandalore didn’t accept her the first time because she didn’t earn it and so mandalore fell and now she knows that they will only accept her if she wins it in combat.

[@lj6006]

She literally lost the dark saber to Gideon, no way she beating mando

[@ezioauditore6371]

😂😂😂😂

[@ThisHandleIsInteresting]

They fucking NEED to elaborate on this farcical shit 😆 It would have been so much better if Bo was defeated and killed by Gideon. After all during the Purge, the Empire was there to fucking exterminate Mandos, and yet Gideon leaves her alive. Was this a rogue decision of his or does Bo-Katan just forget where she keeps her personal belongings and Gideon just happened to pick the saber off the floor? I gotta tell you this one inconsistent arc alone is kind of beginning to punch holes in the show’s narrative.

[@delfuego6492]

@@ThisHandleIsInteresting i think he just stole it off her, already her leadership is in question if she lost the saber

[@gabrielcarrasco8414]

I don't think Gideon beat her one on one. He probably attacked Mangalore, and she was forced to leave it behind.

[@Swordonator]

@@gabrielcarrasco8414 why would she leave behind one of the most important items in the galaxy

[@1neomonkey]

The truth is: Din is more worthy than Bo. He won it fair and square in battle, and is not even seeking power. Those actively seeking power make for bad rulers.

[@SharttyWaffle]

No, hes just a random bounty hunter who has little to no knowledge of what the dark saber is, or how it works. Nor does he have any knowledge of how to rule over an entire planet and all of its people. That kind of story is wouldn't fit with how they made din

[@connorcarruthers]

Din's a tool

[@Healingpro90]

I think the passing the lightsaber part can be explained that after Bo was given the dark saber, some mandalorians didn’t accept it causing more civil war that made it easy for the empire to wipe them out leading to “the night of a thousand tears.”

[@kaiphan1346]

Luke: "He is strong with the Force, but talent without training is nothing." Rey: Hold my drink

[@pablopablo4567]

The whole point is that Rey is trash

[@Saintbow]

​@@pablopablo4567 #ThatsMyLuke #ReyisTrash

[@MikeSikalCreative]

She spits the drink out, more likely lol

[@TheOutcastsOfficial]

Luke trashing Rey before he even knew she existed

[@maf427]

she trains, it’s just not shown, besides in episode IX. but yeah, the sequel trilogy is terrible

[@Julia-tu6xl]

Din Djarin: “I don’t want it. I neva have.”

[@MygunsJammedify]

God pls no, I pray they don't go that route.

[@SpliffyHusk]

You know nothing djarin

[@Julia-tu6xl]

@@SpliffyHusk Bo-Katan is muh queen

[@alee7311]

Game of thrones theme playing in background....

[@spiritofthewolf1880]

Din would never say that.

[@papashmurphy4925]

I believe that when she took it last she later felt that she had failed her people, herself and her sister. If she takes it again without earning it, she believes whe will fail again. Because the mandalorian culture is build on strength and power, she wants to overcome this 'barrier of will and streangh to prove to herself she deserves another chance

[@kyleruschhaupt4630]

I think there has to be a World between Worlds tie here. Perhaps Bo is a part of this story as well because she took it in Rebels knowing that she would have another opportunity. I think Grogu has to be a thread to this as well. In fact, I am beginning to think Grogu is Yoda placed in the Mando timeline to possibly course correct Luke's path. Still chewing on this but just wanted to drop a line. LOVE THE SHOW! Longtime subscriber.