Bo Lan: ‘Green Energy’ Brings More Climate Change | Tom Nelson Pod

Assistant Professor of Supply Chain Management at West Virginia University
00:00 Introduction to the Guest and Topic
00:43 Exploring the Nature of Scientific Hypotheses
08:29 Challenging the Climate Change Consensus
22:04 The Silent Spring: A Case Study on Environmental Awareness
27:05 The Double-Edged Sword of Science and Technology
28:15 The Unseen Consequences of Wind Energy
32:18 The Impact of Wind Farms on Climate
34:09 Exploring the Consequences: Heat and Moisture Distribution
35:54 Wind Energy and Climate Change: A Closer Look
39:03 Scientific Evidence and Research Findings
45:19 Personal Reflections and Scientific Responsibility
48:46 Challenging Climate Change Hypotheses
56:59 The Importance of Open Scientific Discourse
01:00:54 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action
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[@fredneecher1746]

Back in 2015 I was trying to explain to some Green Party wind-farm enthusiasts about the effect shown here at around 30:00. I asked, "If you take half the world's energy needs from the wind, how much slower will it blow, and what effect will that have on the climate?" They looked at me with blank faces. Despite many attempts, they could not grasp the simple concept of conservation of energy. When pressed, they said, "But the wind always blows! You can't stop the wind." The Greens now have more power and are still just as stupid, or in denial of reality.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

32:31 AKA *_wind shadowing._* At the same time, some wind advocates tout the hypothesis that giant walls of turbines could reduce tornado events (via the same *_wind shadowing_* phenomenon).

[@peterkramer288]

Bo Lan is indeed a Fearsome Truth Warrior.

[@ricshumack9134]

Thanks all, great presentation. The only existential threat is climate change policy

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

u r the carbon being removed 😊

[@burgesspark685]

Really enjoying this Tom - you are creating a valuable repository of various climate science views and opinions The alarmists have NOTHING like this Well done

[@ceismulcastle]

When I hear dinosaur extinction I always think of that "the far side" cartoon of dinosaurs hiding behind a rock smoking

[@burgesspark685]

Part of the problem is that modern journalists jump on the latest "hypothesis" as if it were 100% proven (just because some researcher said it) In that way, the public have been misled about most scientific thinking often to their direct detriment

[@eirikraude854]

Exactly!

[@Nuts-Bolts]

Just a comment for the benefit of YT’s Al-Gore-rhythm...

[@orsoncart802]

Great comment! 👍👍👍😁

[@eirikraude854]

😅🤣😂

[@matthewsalkeld5326]

😂❤

[@regi2475]

That's a good one 😂

[@thomaspaaruppedersen6781]

It should be allowed, even in polite society, to require stronger evidence for AGW before spending so much money and/or constrain people's lives.

[@SmallWonda]

Polite, being the operative word! Respect would be another - which is sadly lacking across multiple debates these days. Unfortunately greed and megalomania are seldom polite bedfellows! We have to keep shinning the LIGHT.

[@JPS-hd8qz]

Greetings from Belgium. This morning before sunrise it was 7 degrees Celcius, now it's around 20 degrees Celcius, that's a 13 degrees rise in just twelve hours, and nope, the water in the canal isn't boiling, no birds are dropping dead from the sky, no houses are catching fire - people are just happy for the nise spring day...

[@rosyrussell5209]

I'm collecting all your interviews. All brilliant.

[@aidancondie7114]

Me too. They are very good

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Especially since he doesn't interrupt his guests.

[@darrenmcfeaters6683]

You have so much information in these interviews have to watch multiple times to get it all.

[@petramaas8574]

Thank you for this presentation. Very clear about the nature of science, as it should be.

[@saintallnights7239]

Another good one and fascinating man.

[@tonylovering4672]

The climate system is very stable, its the weather system that's very unstable

[@SmallWonda]

What a great TEACHER. I wonder has Bo written a book illustrating his critical thought process? His students @ WVU are truly fortunate.

[@rikardengblom6448]

Thanks!

[@eirikraude854]

Thanks for a very good video with thought-provoking content! :)👍👍👍

[@harrydecker8731]

Dr Bo Lan was right that people should not hide their light under a basket. Otherwise, people who suspect that all these claims about climate change are either exaggerated or not true need to speak out. If they don't, there will eventually be negative consequences, and it will be their fault for not speaking out.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

LA California 1970 you could not see a distance of two hiway exit sign's because of car smog, gov started emissions regulation's all American cars made in the USA had these EGR systems on them by 1972, by 1982 the air was clear enough to see across the 60 mile valley. we reached auto sustainability by 1990. now 30 years later 2024 car pollution is not a problem any more, we solved it. 😊

[@harrydecker8731]

@@DANTHETUBEMAN I recall those days, but some cities and areas still have bad air pollution. It's bad on certain days where I live in Pennsylvania. because emission inspections are not requried in 42 out of 67 counties. There are days where I'm walking down main street and a truck goes by trailing smoke, and it literally gags me. On low cloud cover days, the fumes are horrible.

[@BD76Sci-Tech]

Love this❤️

[@carldavid1558]

Nailed it.

[@benchapple1583]

One for the algorithm.

[@HiwasseeRiver]

This principle applies to most climate solutions. For EVs the thermodynamic boundary should include the power plant (coal fired) that supplied the power to the EV. Using the EVs tailpipe as the thermodynamic boundary is not valid. Wind energy processes extract energy from the wind and the entire atmosphere is the thermodynamic boundary. It not logically consistent to assert that any CO2 emission impacts the whole atmosphere thermodynamic boundary and that wind energy does not. Similar logic applies to solar panels - how can changes to the albedo be ignored if the process thermodynamic boundary is correctly defined?

[@henrybarker1159]

Some years ago I had conversation with some horticulturists who had a scheme to use wind turbines to warm an area to give them selves an advantage in getting better and earlier crops The area has a sea wind that comes up most days it chills you to the bone 33 mins onwards

[@andrewtrip8617]

They weren’t genuine horticulturists .or they would have already managed the wind with shelter belts and wind breaks .They were probably just “grant farmers “

[@henrybarker1159]

@@andrewtrip8617 yes they where i still know them they have shelter belts they hate the maintenance. the need to irrigate. the shade and the birds Shelter belts only do half the job and only locally. Total warmth and lower humidity has some advantages less fungus less spoiled fruit and total warmth all round will reduce frosts just for starters

[@andrewtrip8617]

@@henrybarker1159 I would be interested to know their location .For me sea winds bring increased rainfall ,and frost free conditions ,that are not found further inland .where they seriously considering offshore wind turbines without grant funding ?

[@henrybarker1159]

@@andrewtrip8617 best leave that unsaid no to implicate there identities and cunning thinking the sea breeze starts about 11 am most days and drops after sunset so the area does not heat up . When the rain comes it is usually from different direction I put this in to support the comments 33 mins onward and that it was thought through and noticed many years ago and it was proposed to a means to benefit from the wind harvesting We now know that wind harvesting at scale does not stack up financially

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

The DDT story is also complex. The ban also had some bad consequences for africa. One has to examine it's use, the amount, its environment.

[@fredneecher1746]

I believe more recent research has shown that some of the effects attributed to DDT in fact came from another source, but I can't now remember the details. Was it that the decline in bird numbers was mainly caused by changes in farming practices and not DDT directly? I wish I could remember.

[@SmallWonda]

As Bo said, double-edge sword, also there is seldom a 1-size fits ALL solution. What works for some, somewhere may be utterly inappropriate for others elsewhere... We have to use our heads and be FREE to respond in the best way for our particular needs - and again, what might have worked in 1970, may be completely ill advised for 2025...

[@matthewsalkeld5326]

Still used there for bad cases

[@glennmitchell9107]

What does Professor Bo Lan think of the blue KZbin climate change "context" banner?

[@thomaspaaruppedersen6781]

First of all, thank you to Bo Lan for a thought inspiring presentation. Second, I agree with the general position of this channel that there is no climate *crisis* and CO2 is not the main control knob. A few points, though: The analogy with a river and wind is false, because wind is not a finite resource. Wind is created by differences in pressure, which in turn are created by uneven atmospheric heating from the sun, oceans etc. All the kinetic energy provided by the wind is dissipated by friction with the land surface, with trees taking a large part of it. So while wind turbines do have a direct impact on local climate, as clearly demonstrated on that photo, they have only a minor slowing effect, because the driving force is still there. Another way to look at it is to imagine a cross section of, let's day the bottom two miles of atmosphere, or even just the bottom mile or kilometer. Not imagine how little area is covered by wind turbines, which are nearly always positioned in something resembling an array, i.e. not spaced across the whole coastline. Within each rotor disk, the wind is slowed by approx. 1/3. The total effect on the entire 'wall of wind' is much, much less than 1%. Another comment, about proving a hypothesis and it being very difficult. I think this discussion is misleading/irrelevant for two reasons: 1) there is not 'A Hypothesis of Climate Change'. There is a model of a number of hypothesized influences with hypothesized weights. On the *direct impact* of CO2, there is actually nearly 100% agreement between William Happer and other 'IPCC-friendly' researchers. 2) The 'we-need-to-do-something-now-or-else' narrative is not based on 100% proof of a climate disaster, but of fear of what might happen. It is perceived, particularly by affluent, western upper middle class people, that the cost of reducing CO2 is worth it and can easily be carried by the population, even if turns out not to have been necessary. But for this position, the '97% of climate scientists agree'-myth helps a lot. Your ultimate point about tradeoffs is totally correct, but almost entirely lost on the majority of the population.

[@padraiggluck2980]

Why am I not surprised?

[@ducthman4737]

My hypothesis for the big dinosaurs to go extinct is that there was a change in atmospheric pressure.

[@kennethmartindale3714]

Thanks to KZbin for this series of discussions hosted by Tom Nelson.

[@goansunborn]

Someone told me yesterday that the climate is deteriorating at an accelerated rate.

[@glenndavis4452]

It seems unlikely that ppm of CO2 can gain/trap/block enough heat energy from the exact same radiative environment our water and carbon bodies are in 24/7 to add heat to our giant planet. The earth is already much warmer in degrees K than the black body radiative forcing temperature of earth surface in degrees K. How is it able to “add” heat to our thermal environment ?

[@jochenehmen6108]

The - physically sound - *Hypothesis* is: CO₂ is gradually hindering the heat to escape. Not really "adding" heat, but changing the theoretical equilibrium towards higher temperatures down here. But, as he rightfully insisted: it is a *hypothesis* - not even a bad one. But there are others, equally as sound.

[@fredneecher1746]

@@jochenehmen6108 That is my understanding, too. Basically it's a question of the distribution of the same amount of heat energy - more of it down here, less up there. At least, that is the IPCC position as I understand it.

[@glenndavis4452]

@@jochenehmen6108 I’m aware of that hypothesis as to how it could happen. It still has to be warmer enough than the thousands of other molecules per million expanding and convecting upwards. To achieve that “dampening” effect. Which, in real life, would only increase speed and height of convection away from the surface. I think they confuse the fact that CO2 is absorbing and radiating the conduction heat from the surface, like all the other air molecules are doing, and imply that the extra IR is radiative forcing. I can see where it would be a very confusing picture on thermal vision, especially when you are focusing on CO2 wavelength.

[@glenndavis4452]

@@jochenehmen6108 There’s an added factor that atoms don’t radiate IR ( I’ve heard anyway) so O and N heat signature is very difficult to nail down. They certainly are capable of absorbing and holding conducting heat, though. Nothing is immune to that.

[@jochenehmen6108]

@@glenndavis4452 _... atoms don’t radiate IR ( I’ve heard anyway) ..._ You have heard wrong - or, better: what you heard is, as the saying goes: "not even wrong" But I didn't want to start a debate or defend that Hypothesis. I just very briefly responded to the original poster. Cheers!

[@ducthman4737]

The hypothesis for climate change I have has to do with Earth's declining magnetic field strength giving Earth less protection from the Sun.

[@kayakMike1000]

I heard dinos evolved into birds

[@anthonywilson8998]

This is similar to the heat island effect. People in cities experience a much different heat level than in the open country. People in North Scotland experience totally different climate temp levels to Southof England. None are the same as in all parts of the world, so the world is a composite of all and that makes up the worlds temperature overall. So where would be the exact global situation, nowhere. as it all changes all the time. . So it is not possible to have climate change. If you have lived in the same place for 70 years there are just changes in weather but not climate. here in NWALES WE HAVENEVER BEEN LIKE SPAIN AS WAS PREDICTED YEARS AGO. ONE DAY AT 40deg at an airport ISTHE climate change. One wet winter is not climate change. No climate crisis FULL STOP.

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

they will keep moving the measuring locations until you have climate change 😁

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

Dinosaur's went extinct becase Gravity Crushed them. 😊

[@diannamartin2252]

Green is really black.

[@maxberan3897]

That was awful! Obviously unacquainted with the real story of Rachel Carson and the dire consequances of the DDT ban. Could have checked the downstream effect of wind turbines but clearly hadn't bothered. His embarrassing response to Tom's question about the cycles in the chinese study spoke oceans for his unfamiliarity with any of its details - just waffled and obfuscated. We could certainly have done without knowing he owed it all to Jesus.