Boarded and searched sailing Western Australia Ep 122

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Well that was intense - anyone for 'Yoga with Rob? Luckily our time in Dampier after this improved big time, as you'll see in the next episode. Thank you for watching and to those who help keep our boat afloat by supporting our creative process via Patreon. You can be part of the crew for less than the price of a coffee. www.patreon.com/CruisingKiwis

[@wishusknight3009]

"Well that was in tents" I thought this was on a boat? . . . . . . sorry, we are celebrating the unofficial dad joke week here.

[@lqlarry]

If I saw Rob doing yoga I might be inclined to call the authorities or an ambulance. 😂 I know if it was me doing yoga someone might have to call a hearse.

[@journeymanadventure]

@@wishusknight3009 Did you know you can't run through a campground you can only ran. Cause it's past tent's 🏴‍☠️

[@wishusknight3009]

@@journeymanadventure oooh man.. that was a great dad joke week submission.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@wishusknight3009 haha yeah the in tents city was almost more than we could handle.

[@brettharrison2237]

Welcome to Australia, where everything is either illegal or compulsory and minor public servants are empowered way beyond what was ever intended.

[@trentbrady8829]

Thinking of escaping to China I think they mite just have it a bit better than us 🤟 This place is getting out of hand

[@texanoutdoors6409]

Communism at it's finest, God bless y'all.

[@dalewatson7982]

@@texanoutdoors6409 yep!

[@jacksbackable]

And WA (Western Australia) isn’t as bad as offer states! Covidtoria (Victoria) is by far the Worst bureaucratically over governed, tyrannical state in Australia 🇦🇺

[@brettharrison2237]

Well Victoria is run remotely by China…..

[@kbc1883]

What a bizarre, circuitous, opaque communication from the ranger. He could not have taken a longer, more awkward way to go about that. The whole time I was saying to the screen, "Say nothing! Say nothing at all!". Australia has lost the plot, or the plot has taken a seriously dark twist. I am glad that this was your only brush with their current police state.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks KBC. We hope too!

[@leaniebeefie]

The reason behind his language is that he was trying to let them know that silence is the way forward. He was certainly on there side but couldn’t say much as he was being recorded.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@leaniebeefie fair call thanks.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

PS we found it very difficult to say nothing though have had plenty of advice similar to yours. And in similar circumstances I don't think I'd do any differently. It just doesn't seem right to sit there and say nothing. Maybe that's a cultural thing, not sure.

[@kbc1883]

@The Cruising Kiwis Could be cultural or just differences in personal experiences with governmental authorities. I learned in my early 20’s that being “helpful” to the authorities can come at great personal cost. I was witness to an accident and was asked questions about what I saw by the police at the scene. I gave my honest observations. 3 years later I was unexpectedly served papers requiring my appearance for the resulting court case. It took my personal time with no compensation, was extremely stressful being grilled by lawyers about what I’d eaten on the morning I’d witnessed the accident and other such craziness. And it deprived me of being at my beloved grandma’s hospital bedside as her brain bled. Though it is generally my disposition, I so regretted having been cooperative and helpful and answering truthfully with the police. From now on, my response will be to be completely silent unless I know my information will be life or limb saving for another. Saying to gov authorities what you feel is perfectly innocent and true can actually get you into a world of hurt.

[@waynereid2282]

I was enjoying the videos from Australia so much I was thinking of going there for a vacation. After seeing how uptight those game rangers are I will scratch that off my bucket list! I must wish you well and happy travels. Hope you don’t encounter any more overbearing authorities!

[@victorbitter583]

That's nothing. Go find some footage of the Melbourne protests. Prepare to be shocked.

[@captainpaddy1524]

Fish and wild life officials, throughout the world, deal with people who knowingly break regulations. They have to be tough and, in many countries, they must be armed because they get attacked. I think that the Aussie officials were VERY civil and understanding. And, most important, they agreed to be filmed.

[@nuffsaid7952]

@@captainpaddy1524 true, but they don’t have a choice of being filmed on your premises or property as a public officer, even though they have the right to board your vessel to do checks.

[@cjg6364]

Yes, officers Moe and Curly did a fine job for the Western Australian tourism industry sending a loud and clear message - "step on one of our racket licensee's turf knowingly or unknowingly and we will hunt you down and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law". There's nothing wrong with government passing legislation to protect endangered species from abusive behavior or harassment. That clearly didn't happen here. The only potential "violation" that occurred is that a commercial tour operator who thought he/she bought a monopoly from the "whale shark management bureau" was disappointed to find his business protection racket had limitations. Moe and Curly were on the case though - with the audacity to demand to see Rob's fishing license (yeah, right, only doing their job). If I were Rob/Rachel, I would have cut this video in kzbin.info/www/bejne/kITdmpx-pquHmcU as soon as Moe asked to see his fishing license - pathetic creeps.

[@Peter_Mcleod]

@@captainpaddy1524 well said

[@guycourtney9794]

We've all seen "unbelievable" in this world. Recently, we see it every day, but THIS experience tops the list of absurd misplaced, misdirected application of power...

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Guy. I'm not sure this is a great example of premise.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@garryjordan2293]

While chartering in the Whitsundays we were asked one morning how our night on the mooring was by a charter operator. Great was the reply. The response, 'Well you can fuck of then and let someone else use it'. Welcome to Straya! I couldn't get over how regulated the area was with a manual provided covering all the rules. No desire to go back. Plenty of options in the Pacific Islands.

[@Stoic-of-Rome]

I hope told them to fuck off too

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Wow, that's some response they gave.

[@donnakawana]

Yeah, way to lose tourists... As nice as it looks I've see some cruisers go thru a hard time with authorities... Like do they realize their getting a FREE tourism guide an so much more... 🤔✌🏻💗😊❣️

[@shanekonarson]

Yeah now they’re Bleeding because of Covid . Most of the mooring in the Whitsundays are empty most of the time and charters are going broke daily . As cruising yachty in Australia , it makes me Embarrassed to see how foreign guest cruisers are treated.

[@abracadabra2852]

Trouble is… the public moorings are time limited, but a LOT of yachts abuse the limits, hence agro.

[@theobradley5926]

Welcome to Aus, enjoy your stay here. But be aware, this is only the beginning!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you Theo. We've had an incredible adventure in this stunning country.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@1980dandeb]

In America we have a saying.."never talk to the police" Requestan attorney.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Dan. We couldn't help ourselves!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@Roger Jamespaul agreed.

[@SuperJlonergan]

Wrong it will never help u only hurt u. Without answers they have yo close investigation. U only gave them an opportunity to arrest u. U can never know all the laws

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@SuperJlonergan you may be correct yet if it can be dealt with in the moment with no further anxt than all good.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@jamespotter936]

When someone tells you you have the right to remain silent, it is just best to be quiet...

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks James, we've had plenty of feedback to that end. Hard to say nothing.

[@geoffM6009]

When someone says you have the right to remain silent? The answer is ……silence.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@geoffM6009 nice way to put it.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@jonnyonedart]

Sounds like jealousy from a tour operator to me! And the waffle that came out of those guys - unbelievable 😂

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks John. We sympaithise with the CTOs if they suspect dubious operations taking place.

[@davidwood4427]

As a retired enforcement officer I can say that a caution 'may be used in court' is issued when the office reasonably believes an offense HAS been committed. At that point the officer does NOT have sufficient evidence to convert that reasonable believe to a court conviction as FURTHER evidence is required. Basically what is required is Who, What, When and Where, all of which are required for a conviction. Politely declining to fill the gaps is probably the best action.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you for the insight David.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@bensteyn1974]

What got me is the embarrassing way (to himself) that that officer tried to interrogate you guys. It was arse-cringing to watch, and you could tell it looked like his partner was totally embarrassed.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for your comment Ben.

[@leaniebeefie]

Not at all, he was trying to tell them that it’s best they stay silent but he couldn’t as he had three cameras on him. The guy was certainly on their side even though it does not look like it.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@leaniebeefie you may have a point. I reckon they were decent blokes whose method perhaps needed a tune up.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@69lure yeah, I guess we missed the hints we were so perplexed after the it's "unlawful to swim with whale sharks" comment.

[@donnakawana]

@Robert Vial Wow, Robert maybe you should just.... Let's see say nothing!! Cuz you seem like a pretty hateful person... Sending you love an remember dear you were once one of those... How you say ass-wipe kids... Clearly your a wee bit miffed for who knows ..... It's ok luv!! 💐✌🏻💗😊❣️

[@SailingOTR]

"I know nothing!" Sgt. Shultz I stopped in Australia in 2007 during my circumnavigation. That experience left a bitter taste. I vowed never to return to that police state.

[@darrenmanser2847]

You think that was bad...

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Haha thanks SOTP. I loved Hogan's Hero's.

[@davidwolff8903]

Western Australia is bloody bizarre. Queenslander working in the Pilbara.

[@jacksbackable]

Victoria (Aust) is WAY WORSE! 😔😎🏖🌴☀️🇦🇺

[@stuartrobertson6882]

I do actually remember when I saw a hand reach out to the Whale Shark (apart from "Wow that would be amazing") that it was not a good idea. Its the same with Dolphins, even when they come to you for food as they do at Tangalooma, you are not allowed to touch them. Its interesting to know that they are so busy that they have time to watch Utube videos. Probably as you say, one of the Tour operators reporting you.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We realise now how stupid it was to put it in. What were we thinking!?

[@Peter_Mcleod]

More than likely a complaint, which they would of had to investigate. The simple fact is, the person should not have touch the whale shark. This type behavior only makes it harder for everyone else and makes laws tougher. A few screw it for everyone else. But it appears more about the number people on the boat and and if it was an illegal charter or not, So these 2 were only doing they job after a complaint was made. Knowing it would end up on KZbin, they did it by the book. They could of made you turn your video off, but they didn't. They were only being professional and doing they job.

[@warrendavis9212]

@@TheCruisingKiwis So the touching was was stupid to video? Certainly much more stupid was the act itself? Some perspective please. You're not Americans.

[@alfogorman2615]

@@warrendavis9212 I think they mean putting the video in was stupid. Have some perspective please.

[@Garryck-1]

@@Peter_Mcleod - *"They could of made you turn your video off, but they didn't."* Umm.. no, they could not have done so. The law on that is quite clear in Australia. If you are not interfering with their ability to do their job, you can record them.

[@badpirate2326]

The cop was pretty clear that you shouldn't answer any questions. "Look both ways before you cross the street and never talk to cops"

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah, he painted that picture I suppose though I'm not convinced that was his intention.

[@donnakawana]

Yes, I took it that way..... After I quit asking what's the issue out loud... An then the issue falls outta his mouth... $$$✌🏻💗😊❣️

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@campsaintsnowallsrvers1703]

Well, that was indeed intense! WOWSERS! Great job Rob, keeping quiet, hope the same for Zatara. "We did NOTHING wrong! NOTH ING!"

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks, yeah Keith dealt with it ok from what he said to us.

[@andymarr7610]

Damn wowsers , always the graft. Zatara and Cruising Kiwis rock. Don't lettem get get you down. 👍

[@andymarr7610]

@@TheCruisingKiwis bet Keith gave it to em, as he should. Dont relent, good people, good motivation, good outcome... oops no tax .. oops and no regret. Live it

[@troyezell5841]

I would put out the name of that dive boat and on top of that, give them a call myself!!! Edit: I have never seen law enforcement so well trained in the art of leading questions and entrapment! What a pathetic situation Australia has fallen into! Sadly though, we here in America on the verge of the same thing!

[@clayfarnet970]

“On the verge”, what rock are you living under? 😂😂😂 Just joking with you. I’m not sure where you live, but…it’s here. You’re lucky enough not to have experienced…yet. It’s truly a sad state of affairs…everywhere. Question, if it’s everywhere now, does that make it accidental or planned? Hint: No tin foiled hats needed to answer.

[@troyezell5841]

@@clayfarnet970 lol, you're right! I honestly believe it is a plan social. There is precedent, such as what socialists did to Russia, France (French Revolution), China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. If you set around long enough and not pay attention someone would steal your house out from under you. That is what is happening to the U.S. and Australia.

[@troyezell5841]

I live in Florida, so it is not as bad as CommyFornia or states like it.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Troy. We don't have a problem with the CTO which one it may have been making enquiries if they see something they think is dubious. The official line of questioning was open to debate.

[@donnakawana]

It's been happening 4 years prior. Sadly our country saw fit to let politicians dictate their healthcare. When All of them are vaxed... I don't watch news much... Sailing channels cuz who don't need a giggle an some beautiful scenery... ✌🏻💗😊❣️

[@Wyattheearp]

Wow, you guys rocked it, and I am sure Keith and Rene will do the same. I can understand the reasons of concern though, thanks for the unbiased and truthful conclusion!!! And a big thank you to Keith and Renee for hosting everyone to keep the hulls to a minimum. Keith ain't Keith if you think he doesn't think like this. Stay safe you guys, and love you to pieces!!!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Wyatt. Go the Z crew!

[@erikvanbeever7006]

You should have just blamed it all on Keith, I mean he's from Texas and does look pretty dodgy 😂

[@billhanna8838]

Keith has explained how he acquired his loot Hahahah

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Will do next time thanks Erik. :-)

[@jrremerable]

Lesson learned: if your having a good time with some Texans, and the cop's AREN'T called, then it really wasn't a good time. 😉

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Haha Keith will love that.

[@donnakawana]

🤔🤣😂🤣😂Yup, yuppers ✌🏻💗😊❣️

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@JoeTheLion60]

Not letting the Aussies win the Bledisloe Cup has consequences people :-) Looking forward to Zatara's video of the same :-)

[@edalbanese6310]

Hope Keith goes into a rant! 😂🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍾

[@FBurck]

@@edalbanese6310 Oh he will.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Joe! We keep missing the games dang it.

[@dino2540]

Great example of what’s wrong with Australia

[@YarisWRC2]

100% agree

[@carbidegrd1]

I was amazed at the level of Policing when I was there. I drove from Melbourne to Sydney and amassed $980 dollars in speed camera speeding tickets. some were for going just a few KM over. We had a Cop walk up to us at a petrol station and just start questioning my kids.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

@@carbidegrd1 My driving/criminal record is as bad as it gets without actually doing jail time (with a Court good behavior undertaking recently being completed for driving a vehicle without a front number plate), but I also have half a million km traveling up and down the Hume with no tickets. JFC what were you doing; not paying any attention?

[@carbidegrd1]

@@jonathanrabbitt Passing all the slow cars. No one drives the limit here. P.S. Never paid any of them.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@carbidegrd1 'just start questioning my kids'. That's so not cool. Thanks for your comment.

[@kevonmason6140]

You do not have to answer any of their questions. They do not know much, and are doing their best to gather evidence. They have nothing and they know that. They want you to provide all the information that they can then use against you.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Kevon.

[@brirags]

From an American who's visited and traveled Australia several times the last thing I thought I'd ever say is better not go there.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Brian but don't take this blip as a general rule. Aussi is a great country.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@MrBobVick]

Glad you survived, "Your Papers Please" which today includes "your videos please"

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Bob!

[@MrBobVick]

@@TheCruisingKiwis Back in 1970 we were boarded by Interpol at Kiel, the Germans were not nearly as polite. We had quite a few search's done by Interpol & finally figured one of the crew from TX was putting his name, phone & address on small pieces of paper & handing them to girls on the docks. Thus raising suspicions.

[@samvoigt21]

Omg that was so intense! Glad that answering their questions got you guys out of trouble instead of the other way around,

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Sam, and in reality it was way more drawn out than it appeared in the video. The interview lasted about 40 minutes but he kept going around in circles.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

@sailing Gremlin Not true. You have *no idea* what their ultimate prosecution agenda is. They can lie and use all manner of chicanery. You are best-off just politely declining to answer any questions.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

@sailing Gremlin The chicanery is staring you in the face @9:34. Why do you deny it?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@sailing Gremlin thanks for this and your other comment which was very interesting. Yeah, I understand that now though his comment that it's "unlawful to swim with whale sharks" had us very concerned because we had certainly done that thinking (knowing) it was OK to do so.

[@craigyoung1728]

What an absolute WOFTAM. Failed to really say anything of value, sought to intimidate with their Cautions and lack of transparency and at the end of the day someone touched the tail of a fish. And it was probably a kid. Hope the waste of taxpayers money was worth it

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Craig. They did their job politely though their method could do with some work.

[@joejugashvili3616]

"We're from the Government. We're here to help". Yeah, right.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Joe. I do believe these guys wanted to do their job well, they just needed to work on their method.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@lisailes6744]

Gosh that was intense, great video! Sad that there interrogations were not concerned with any potential infringement to the whale sharks safety, but that a commercial undertaking without proper licensing (and therefore payment to the authorities) had taken place!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Lisa. I believe the base line for these actions is indeed with the intent to protect. Doesn't always mean it works though.

[@the-selfish-meme7585]

lol - that was so cringe-inducing that I had to remove my cat from the room... Well done for staying calm and respectful.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for you comment and making me giggle. :-)

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@greatbethy]

Wow what a waste of resources, you guys handled that situation really well, as a Aussie welcoming you to our shores I was embarrassed.

[@nickviner1225]

It was a nice day for fisheries and the park ranger to be out of the office and have a day out boating in the sunshine.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Greg. They had a job to do which was fair enough. Just the method needed a tune up.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@nickviner1225 haha

[@pauldyson6921]

love your videos, keep enjoying this beautiful planet like you do.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you Paul. We love this country and the people. This is a minor blip on the radar.

[@sailingmaverick2480]

Oh my,,,,,the officials boarding Zatara, they are not in any way prepared for Keith

[@FBurck]

That is what I was thinking.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

I think it all went well.

[@RodFleming-World]

Where was the bit with being searched?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

The fisheries went through our freezer late in the video.

[@RodFleming-World]

@@TheCruisingKiwis ah okay thanks

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@HomeBudgetComputing]

If they had approached me like that, I would have them wait until I talk to a lawyer. Maybe have the lawyer with me during any interview. I hate it when someone keeps asking oblique questions. That gives the impression they're trying to trap me. Ask me direct questions and I'd be happy to answer them - honestly. I'm a blunt person, and I appreciate that same direct bluntness from those I talk to.

[@jaystryker5217]

then you shouldnt be manning any vessel... they are there for the protection of sea life no matter how much your feelings got hurt

[@jimlofts5433]

yeh robbie lawyer up - stay in port until settled - then sell boat to pay lawyer - the cop said many many times you do not have to answer my questions - he just needed to tick the box that he had investigated

[@leifmealone4749]

@@jimlofts5433 It's people like you that allow this kind of police state nonsense to continue.

[@HomeBudgetComputing]

@@leifmealone4749 He's hilarious. I'm a retired cop, and I love seeing people like this with their know-it-all attitudes. He in fact knows nothing. Very obviously.

[@HomeBudgetComputing]

@@jaystryker5217 Who cares about my feelings? Fuck feelings. I go by the actual law. I know exactly how the game is played.

[@johnwalker6711]

Australia sure has changed to what it was in days gone by

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks John, it's still a great country, no doubt.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@jhsrecordsentertainment4972]

Seems they were the ones on a fishing expedition. 😡

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks JHS, I think you're right.

[@AfterDeath1986]

Wow guys, thanks for this video. Really showed us something we weren't aware of.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Abdullah.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@graemesmith8232]

Spot on,a commercial operator didn't like seeing all those people onboard Zatara. He doesn't see people, he sees money and lots of it. But its not in his pocket. I hope all people going to West Australia for tourist season, remember that commercial boat and don't spend any money with that greedy guy. The poor guys onboard your boat were only doing their jobs as they had received a formal complaint.

[@stephanieellis5399]

Most likely. That and the video of someone touching the whale shark. Straightforward questions would be much better, though.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Graeme, we sympathise with a CTO if they see suspected dubious behaviour.

[@jasonthetalker7253]

Was the Whale shark Video even in Australian waters?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah it was, only a mile or two off shore.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@garycody1929]

What a Gestapo type approach. Terrible officials.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Gary. We don't have a problem with them doing their job.

[@JrR-fw5ph]

I thought the states were getting bad - but down under has really become a police state. We’ll never give up….

[@edalbanese6310]

US is much better! Still you have your guns (for now).

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Australia is a big country. We're aware of the rioting and the Police response in Melbourne which isn't great for anyone. Fortunately, that's a long way from WA. We thoroughly enjoy this beautiful country which has much to offer.

[@sausage5849]

Oh gee, I hope they didn't questioned Keith. It would be "This ain't no Waldorf salad" all over again ;-)

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah they did and they were happy with his answers which were the same as ours, of course. It was rather unnerving though when he said swimming with the whale sharks was illegal.

[@jacksbackable]

Would love to see the unedited version of the‘Keith’ interview! 😳😝🤬

[@pmorph]

Change of subject...Rob When you swing your leg in the air over the other leg, keep the leg on the ground upright as much as possible--ie the foot still pointing up in the air. You won't go as far and its more difficult but it's a far better stretch... This is based on Ryoho yoga which is a weird, kooki Japanese style yoga that hurts lots but does amazing things for the body! I've also passed your site on to your doppelganger here in Sydney--he loves it and thinks that you're a lucky guy to be just like him!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Phil. Do you mean keeping the lower leg elevated? Would love to learn more. we are starting to do a bit more these days.

[@pmorph]

@@TheCruisingKiwis so you've got one let in the air that is swinging from one side to the other. The leg that is on the ground needs to keep the feet pointed up as you swing the other leg over it. Normally, if you don't do this the foot on the ground swings out on to the ground. Keeping the foot pointing up towards the sky means you don't swing so far but is also better for the hips. Happy to send you links. I do three online classes a week and they're amazing!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@pmorph great tip thanks Phil. Sure thing!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@jasondohery3128]

the end of filming and uploading to free platforms that are heavely watched by police.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

I understand your point although in this case it was a complaint rather than police monitoring.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@fgansell]

Good video, wonder how he goes with Keith?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Speaking with Keith afterwards it went pretty much the same.

[@paulodeoliveira3368]

I think the Aussie officers were quite diplomatic without trying to cause a ruccus, but they need to do their job and what we don't understand is that officers that aren't power hungry don't enjoy confrontation (they do it cos its THEIR JOB) and he was trying to make it as easy on them as possible without allowing the situation from getting out of HAND. All in all I think it went well.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Paulo, it's important to try and put oneself in their position. They didn't get it right but that doesn't necessarily translate to being power hungry etc

[@paulodeoliveira3368]

@@TheCruisingKiwis no, I didn't say they were - some officers are and they enjoy the confrontation.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@stex1985]

Yelp, boiled down to the money, if I remember correctly you held back until the charters were finished.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

That's correct and they gave us the all clear.

[@blurtmenow]

I hope Zatara filmed it too .This is gold. I apologize and am sorry that you have had to endure "several times" overreaching self important officials and employees in my country. I regret that we too as Australians have to put up with this total bullshit ourselves .Its not just you. What used to be referred to as the "Australian way"is long dead and gone. Maaaaate if i could afford i would try New Zealand is it any better there?

[@texanoutdoors6409]

You guys need to take your government back from your present Communist regime. We are going to take ours back in 2024 or hopefully sooner. I feel for you mate.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for the comment. No worries!

[@gustavomonteiro2793]

A little bit weird conversation kkkk.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah, but it all worked out in the end.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@VERTICALWisdom]

Got to love the "you will comply" but everyone cannot know ALL the rules.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for your comment.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@owenpotter2459]

Hey there. Well, what an experience. I thought maybe the boys had been caught jumping off and running alongside again! He sure took a real roundabout way of getting there though. Like he was trying to get you to drop yourselves in it. What a relief when he finally got there. Would have loved to be a fly on the wall when he questioned Keith! My boat worknis stumbling along. Stern gland and cutless bearing replaced. I'm progressing with cleaning and painting the engine. Hull is dry enough to start sanding etc, so boat builders will be tenting and getting stuck in next week. Covid has sure messed things up. Had my two jabs do hopefully ok now.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

In reflection I think you're right that they were waiting for us to confess only we didn't know what we were supposed to confess to. To start with that line of questioning would have saved alot of time. Great progress being made Owen!

[@owenpotter2459]

@@TheCruisingKiwis trying to establish a timeliness for work to let them know when I'll return. Sounds like even when I return, I'll be rostered. Not much happening in party hire as you can imagine. Have you made any decisions re where next? I see Zatara have taken off for the Maldives.

[@Rev1Kev]

Nervous moments, wonder how Keith and the rest of the Z crew faired?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Talking with Keith afterwards it was the same line of questioning with the same conclusion. I don't think they filmed it.

[@richardrosetta2728]

Its necessary! I was just pulled over on my boat by the FWC in Florida. Luckily all was legal and no fish on board so it was just a friendly visit to check my coolers. Keep up the good work boys.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Richard, glad it all worked out for you.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@IndieChefster]

What a load of shit. So a corporation can swim with them but not people not making money off of them. I would remain silent and say nothing more. Never believe the fuzz.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Chef. :-)

[@timmitchell8784]

That was the biggest pile of crap pulled by any government agency outside the United States. To come on your boat and terrorize you and your family like that was in called for. That could have been handled with a lot more class and a lot less drama. Way to go Australia 😥

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Agreed, it could have been handled better. Fisheries and Wildlife can board at any time to check on fish caught. We were expecting to be boarded at some point, just didn't expect the nature of the enquiry. If they had got to the point early on with the charter questioning it would have made things a lot quicker with less anxiety. The comment that it is "Unlawful to swim with whale sharks" (which is not the case) really caused us concern. It has to be said though they were respectful and courteous.

[@KayLee19676]

I wonder if Zatara also filmed their encounter and how different it was with them (being from the U.S they may have been treated differently). My assumption on this is that the tour operators in the area didn't like that you were there so they complained. Good thing you stood your ground and didn't fold and cave. No shame in being honest and transparent because in the end, the truth always wins.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Karyn. I don't think Renee filmed it.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@gsndirect]

How did he get his job??

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

😂

[@timhansing1216]

Hilarious. Poor official. He looks so embarrassed about representing such a nanny state.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Tim.

[@LibyanSoup]

19 souls onboard - OK what is the life raft capacity on Zatara? (Asking for a friend).

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Not sure.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@markbunty]

Oh my god! It’s like being in a council meeting! Hilarious!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

I hear ya (and the meeting from here!)

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@beebester4106]

I've always wanted to travel to Australia but seeing what a police state it has become myself and my family will not be going there.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Although this episode is not an example of that we do see disconcerting moves by those in power trying to gain even more power which has no justification.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@Ickus]

I don't know what all the hoo-har is about... they were polite and not pressuring you at all, they didnt try to entrap you in any way, if anything they went out of their way to prevent you saying anything bad/encriminating. They were just doing their job, they saw your video which contained three acts that potentially broke the regulations and it warranted investigation. CTO without a license and, aerial device flown too close, and touching a whale shark, all fineable offences (Biodiversity Conservation Act for the whale shark touch/aerial device) . You answered their questions and they left.

[@Sailspirit99]

Love your comment, thank you 👍⛵️well said and agree.

[@Peter_Mcleod]

100 percent correct, well said,

[@danielwardin4688]

Seconded, thirded, fourthed!

[@geoffhorsley1765]

I agree, how thin skinned are some of the comments. Gestapo like, I'm never visiting Australia a game warden question me and even wanted to see if I had a fishing licence. So scary......

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Ickus. For us it was the round about oblique way he went about the questioning. They were indeed polite. If they had got to the point early on with the charter questioning it would have made things a lot quicker with less anxiety. The comment that it is "Unlawful to swim with whale sharks" (which is not the case) really caused us concern.

[@Maloy7800]

So... the latest... four episodes show us humans that Australians, who I thought were nice and fluffy and that incident with euthanizing Johnny Depp's poodle was just a powerplay by some moron in Abbott's government (all of whom were morons, including Abbott himself), are actually power freaks, idiots and snitches. I should go to Australia and tell them that!!! Preferably through a PA speaker from an armored ute. Seriously though, making a lengthy innuendo about "swimming with sharks is unlawful"... which is BULLSHIT... and then FINALLY getting to the point of "did you pay for it?" is "dumb as, mate". Personally my biggest concern about that trip was the number of people vs. the number of seats in the life raft. HA!!! That's where you could've nailed them Mr.Winnie the Cop! Missed opportunity, mate. Better luck next time.

[@danielwardin4688]

I'm no friend of authority but I got the impression he/they were embarrassed to be there asking their questions, were doing so only, as you surmised, at the behest of a commercial charter operator. Perhaps I am naive. Anyhow... KZbin knows I love you -- my ads are getting longer and oftener...

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Daniel. Yeah a CTO probably made the call which we have some sympathy for. Those ads aye, go you Daniel!

[@JackHartland]

My dear friends..... what an intense episode. I am laughing sooooo hard with relief because that could have been bad. They should have had a talk about some of the stuff Rob eats rather.... but yes, all is well, that ends well. So glad it was not too bad trouble. Do we get to see the Zatara session???

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Anyone for wild beans, noni and lobster semen?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@JackHartland]

@@TheCruisingKiwis I have seen, I have seen!!!! I am soooo jealous. I once had an encounter with a seal but not like this. Very very lucky!!!!

[@Themothershipsailing]

OMG… we’re moving back to Australia with our boat next year after over 15years living away.. I understand the job the fishos have to do, but really, if this is how they approach situations its pretty embarrassing.. meanwhile, foreign vessels are continuously raiding Australian fish stocks… 🎣 👮‍♀️ 🤷‍♀️

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Saskia. We saw evidence of that.

[@VicuSan]

Woow!! What a mesmerizing whalewatching! Indeed, their practices are like fireworks!! Rob, that's a good way to spend a quite, beatiful night shift (and not falling sleep -sorry Declan, can't forget that funny episode😂-). And Ivan being Ivan😂😂 As Ivan said, Not cool the way they did approach you. But those two agents were doing their job. And well done, I must say. After all, its not good if lots of ships go around the poor sharks and whales. (Big yay for Keith there). All in all, glad it was just another scary adventure (scarier than the hammersharks around the Javelot haha). Don't mess with aussies!! Safe journeys, good winds!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Hehe don't mess with Aussis. In the water or out of..

[@rexmick]

Bureaucracy gone mad

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We expected to be boarded and were fine with that. It has to be said though they were respectful and courteous at all times. If they had got to the point early on with the charter questioning it would have made things a lot quicker with less anxiety. The comment that it is "Unlawful to swim with whale sharks" (which is not the case) really caused us concern.

[@mickmccrohon]

I felt his pain. And I applaud what he is trying to protect. And I'm glad it wasn't me. Thanks for sharing.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

The emotional conflict when operating as a mercenary is real.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Mick.

[@G14-Classified]

The whales were beautiful

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Nitro. It was incredible to see them play.

[@OnTheFlipSide]

I kept waiting for you all to burst out laughing, thinking this was a skit. It wasn't until the question on how many were on the boat, I thought oh crap, it's real! I'm glad they take that seriously, protecting wildlife for future generations. But, they could have been more chill about it.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Agreed. They are doing an important job but they handled this badly. It is not against the law to swim with a whale shark without a tour company.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@andrewr886]

yup, a commercial operator with their nose out of joint, jumping to conclusions. Can anyone say snitch? :-)

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Andrew. I have sympathy for the TCOs if they suspected dubious conduct they had every right to report and have it checked out.

[@davidbaguley7893]

Love the way you handled the poor guy. I hope he reads the comments made on his approach to the job and that his boss changes his job to shore based away from the public. ( Perhaps cleaning toilets ) Oh and I just became a subscriber of your channel and look forward to future episodes.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Welcome aboard David, thank you! If you chose to catch we wish you well for the enduro ahead! No doubt his method could have been better, however, he was only following up on a complaint which we have sympathy for.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@sailingwiththeerros9139]

Fair call. Good Officer and Fisheries. Officer was polite, explained all personal rights very clearly and often. Fisheries just stood out of the way. Not sure what your complaining about?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

They were decent dudes doing their job. However, the false claim that it was unlawful to swim with whale sharks (you watched the video I take it?) set the scene, then the circuitous oblique questioning that took 30 minutes before we got to the point being suspected unlicensed charter.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@stanmancam]

It really is comedy hour on the cruising Kiwis ! What was that LOL

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Lancaster Park. Just another slice of TCK life.

[@darrenleask6042]

What a waste of tax payers money

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Darren. We didn't have a problem with them doing their job.

[@SquawkCode]

That was painful to watch. Rob did a good job. Looking forward to Zatara's video on this if they have one.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks SquawkCode.

[@SquawkCode]

@@TheCruisingKiwisHere's a great video by Christian Williams on his first TransPac L.A.-Hawaii (he just completed his 3rd round trip). In the first 30 seconds he was boarded by US Coast Guard off California. The boarding and law enforcement doing their job is OK but as in your case the fishing expedition and treating you like a criminal is not OK. You and Rachel stayed calm and didn't say any more than you had to which was perfect. It seemed the Aussie authorities were acting as aggressive agents of the commercial tour industry. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGm3cpd6qpp_bLc Christian's experience bothered me a bit but he diffused the situation with his humor. 6 years later he recently uploaded more information and his opinion. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6Onkn2Yhb5qrqM

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@SquawkCode]

@@TheCruisingKiwis That was amazing. Declan really bonded with that sea lion. What an amazing experience! She reminded me of my childhood cocker spaniel.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@SquawkCode ha yeah and my pet Labrador

[@edalbanese6310]

First, I had a high opinion of Australia and with what is happening there now, It seems highly regulated. Some regulations are good indeed but at what point does it become too much? Do I need permission to breathe air? Second, can’t wait to see what Keith will say! Furthermore, yes they were doing their jobs, but remember the Germans were doing their jobs too! And no I am not equating them together but doing your job is not an argument to instil fear and control!

[@daedster1]

An no, Emporer McGowan runs WA now, laws going in place to double vax anyone wanting to enter or leave WA, so, my daughter in NZ will never see me again. (I'm in W.A.) We all in our family are not getting jab'd with experimental poison, when there has always been good meds to stop viruses.

[@edalbanese6310]

@@daedster1 man I am sorry to hear about this. Get double vaxed just to leave or enter? wow! You don't hear that in the news! This is total insanity! Hope you get to see your daughter soon!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@nicolel3041 for whatever reason I think you've got a bit bias against Keith. He does care about rules and, from our experience, is a man of integrity. Have you ever broken a rule?

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for the comment Ed.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@daedster1 that's awful, sorry to hear this.

[@johngroom7665]

So sorry you guys got caught up in our licensing system , I did raise it with Keith and Renee some time ago not to get in a position where you could be seen as a charter vessel. It’s a bit harsh that you can’t swim with the whale sharks without paying money to the Gov for a license.

[@stephanieellis5399]

That could very well be why they didn't even accept a contribution towards fuel that day. If ZERO money was exchanged then there is no way they could be seen as a charter, no? They could literally say "all of us buddy boats were planning to go together but to reduce the number of boats in the area and to enjoy each other's company we offered Zatara as a 'carpool'".

[@johngroom7665]

I wouldn’t say there is no way they could be seen as charter, as in Qld the powers could say that although money didn’t change hands, this has happened before that it was seen that their may be advantages leveraged to your advantage. I now it sounds bureaucratic bull but it has been done before.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@stephanieellis5399 that's exactly what happened.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@johngroom7665 gosh, that's interesting.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@johngroom7665 I should add it's not "unlawful" to swim with whale sharks as the officer said (which caused us great and unnecessary concern) but there are guidelines on how to swim with them.

[@seanthomas5146]

Wow! You got your personal Wellington Paranormal performance 😂 Those dudes were just doing their job. No crime and no overboard harassment.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Sean. Agreed. However, if they had got to the point early on with the charter questioning it would have made things a lot quicker with less anxiety. The comment that it is "Unlawful to swim with whale sharks" (which is not the case) really caused us concern. It has to be said though they were respectful and courteous at all times. Kia kaha dude!

[@seanthomas5146]

@@TheCruisingKiwis For sure that dude was a hopeless communicator and did a really bad job of setting the scene and getting to the point. It was painful to watch him in action. However, I think he would be a good neighbour all the same😊 Would love to coach him on how to do his job. Cheers Sean

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@seanthomas5146 I think you are spot on. At the end he did seem like a nice guy. You could learn him a thing or two 😊

[@triggermurgatroyd9976]

Ok look, I’ve been binge watching you amazing people, brilliant thank you! This nonsense from the “authorities” (pfffft) actually shits me to no end...well done R&R you handled it perfectly! Tea and medals all round!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you Trigger. Congratulations on the binge. Big challenge nearly completed. Keep in touch.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@lightprint348]

Hey folks, Love the adventure and Vlog. As a counter to the prevailing outrage, I am glad the fisheries are on it. It can be intimidating and confronting and i understand its uncomfortable. I would prefer over zelous protection of our fisheries than a "nahh she'll be right mate" aproach because I see that is often is not right or OK. All our seas are under deep pressure. I have no problem about you visiting the whalesharks and have some envey at the experience. I am also please that situations are being followed up as they should be. These people were doing a nessacery job. No you were not doing anything wrong nor were they. It is a formal process and need to be. I am sorry the experience was confronting.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Light Print. Agree with all your sentiment. Perhaps the way they did their job is open for debate.

[@davidwolff8903]

As a Queenslander working in the Pilbara this somes up Western Australia completely. They are different.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for your comment David. They were dedent blokes, we parted on good terms if they were officious in the beginning.

[@lozzinozz8318]

Dear David, us West Aussies like our difference. We spent 4 months travelling QLD a few years back. Those folks are different too. At least WA and QLD people are not as different as those NT folks 😂. I have gone around Aus and the difference between states are interesting and remarkable.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@Stevek1969]

Oh my! Maybe you can send them a bill for waisting your valuable time out on the water! Why did they not just get to the root of the issue straight away than go around in circles! Yes I think your right a tour operator must of got upset that they were not getting the cash to take people out. What makes them so special? I’m sure you all would of looked up the guidelines and rules before you went out for the day. And yes I could not see Keith taking anything from anyone. I’m glad they allowed you to film as it was interesting watching their questions. I wonder if Zatara also filmed them? Now that would be a great watch!😂

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Steve. Yeah, if they had got to the point early on with the charter questioning it would have made things a lot quicker with less anxiety. The comment that it is "Unlawful to swim with whale sharks" (which is not the case) really caused us concern. It has to be said though they were respectful and courteous at all times.

[@Stevek1969]

@@TheCruisingKiwis yes I think the only “unlawful” thing that really happened was that the tour boat operators missed out on 19 adult paying fares! That would of no doubt sent their balance sheets into a profit!!😁

[@chrishowe2935]

I can see why that would have been disconcerting, but they had obviously received a formal complaint, which they are obliged to investigate. They would need to include your responses in an investigation report, hence the caution which protects everybody. It makes it clear to you that you don’t have to answer, and it also makes it clear that they haven’t gotten information from you under false pretences. His caution could have been better, and his questions more to the point, but that was a pretty friendly encounter and he took significant pains to make it clear that it was your right not to answer. If they seriously thought you had done something wrong the whole scenario would have felt much less friendly. I think think they were trying to get what they needed from you to close the complaint without further action, without spooking you into clamming up and not answering (not saying they did this well).

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks for your considered comment Chris. I agree with you and will add that it would have been even better if he'd not said it was unlawful to swim with whale sharks - which was a false claim.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@SailingSteelSapphire]

I have to say that I disagree with many of the comments here, and also with the tone of the voiceover in the video itself. I think we can all agree that a 60 foot catamaran with 19 people on board going swimming with whale shark LOOKS like a commercial operation. Yes, we know that the Cruising Kiwis and Zatara are not tour boats, and in this case it was in fact innocent. But that's not what it would look like to one of the commercial boats. So now, put yourself in the shoes of the commercial boats. If you were running a tourist business which involved spending a huge amount of money purchasing licences, training your staff, providing safety equipment for your passengers, training the passengers on how to interact with the animals etc etc, and you saw what looked like an unlicensed competitor who has done none of this presumably charging passengers and stealing your business...you'd be pretty pissed off, and you'd be right to be. If footage then appeared on KZbin from that potentially unlicensed operator, showing guests touching the animals (which everyone knows is a big "no no"), then you'd be doubly pissed off. Surely its entirely reasonable for the authorities to want to check that out? I thought the police officer came across as a little bit bumbling, but that's because he was falling over himself to try and appear reasonable on camera. The commenters here who are talking about Australia being a police state...? Get real! DO you really think this would be treated differently in ANY other country? All countries protect their tourism businesses and operators. And I can assure you, the police officers in every country I've visited are nowhere near as polite and pleasant as the guy was in this video. As guests in Australia, it would have been nice if the Cruising Kiwis had thought sufficiently about how their behaviour looked, and the over the top niceness of the authorities in investigating it, to present the situation more fairly.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Agree with most of your commentary, thanks. The main issue we had was the delayed circuitous and oblique questioning combined with the false claim that it's unlawful to swim with whale sharks - this sent us in a spin and caused a lot of unnecessary anxiety. I've commented elsewhere on the CTOs which I think had every right to make a complaint. No problem from us on that.

[@timreed2047]

BS the reason the authorities were polite is the camera filming them and knowing it would go on youtube .have seen whale watching operators here do the same thing,yet they are the only ones I know about that have actually hit a whale with their boat.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

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[@Donna.Buckingham]

Well done for sharing this, hopefully people who visit the area will think twice about breaking any rules that protect the whale sharks. Such a great experience for you all and glad you all did the right thing and got to share such a wonderful moment swimming with these stunning creatures. I too was surprised when they mentioned you had to be a tour operator to swim with them, according to the Ningaloo Coast visitor guide you are permitted to swim with them as long as you stay within the rules. If you want a copy just let us know. Keep up the great work guys 👍

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you for your considered comment Travelling Buckinghams. Saying it was unlawful to swim with whale sharks I guess it was a test to see what we would say. Appreciate your thoughts.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@Donna.Buckingham]

@@TheCruisingKiwis wow you guys got to the Galapolas Islands unreal!!! We need to trade in our van for a catamaran (well maybe 8 vans for one) 🤣

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

@@Donna.Buckingham oops 🙂 gallapogos of the Indian Ocean ie Abrolhos

[@Donna.Buckingham]

@@TheCruisingKiwis haha I just read the top heading!! It such a incredible area, we got engaged out on that island 14 years ago! Would love to go back, we got close to Geraldton last year.

[@thylacine1962]

Don't think this is over. They have retired to form a case against you from what you said and filming you did. You have been officially targeted . Get a lawyer.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks PJ. I hope you're wrong. :-)

[@scottcampbell5478]

Well done !

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Scott!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@thesailingkiwi]

say nothing

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks TSK. How are your plans?

[@thesailingkiwi]

@@TheCruisingKiwis delayed unfortunately, have opened a Cuban restaurant at the old Barbinka site, along with the motel so now planing for May 2023. Safe travels 👍

[@amandasupple4501]

Love the videos!

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Amanda.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@lets_go_see_]

It's all about "THE MONEY". Did these AUSSIES ask the aboriginee if they could swim with whale sharks??

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Jim. I suspect there will be some sort of percentage paid from licencing.

[@TheOrdinaryGamerChannel]

Yikes! I got the feeling the guy wasn't trying to cause any trouble for the group but had to discourage the action for future people's during that time of year for the sake of the charters.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

I think you're spot on. Their method could use a bit of a tune up though. :-)

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@texanoutdoors6409]

I see why Keith and Rene set sail from Australia, less government interference in the open sea, we Texans don't like Communist anyway.

[@karlgiel8891]

Love it

[@geoffhorsley1765]

Really ! You don't have USCG boarding vessels along with game and fisheries wardens doing searches continually ?

[@karlgiel8891]

@@geoffhorsley1765 Dude you have been taken slowly into this communist regime you dont even know what it means to be a free man any more. soon we will have the new world order and you will be a slave and happy.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

I'm not sure who does like communism.

[@Leosarebetter]

ALWAYS SAY...NO COMMENT. ANY QUESTION - YOUR REPLY IS - NO COMMENT.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah, you're not the only one to say that. It seemed ok to talk though, at least to clear up any misunderstanding.

[@Leosarebetter]

@@TheCruisingKiwis Unfortunately this is how they bait you, they just want to talk it through to clear any misunderstanding etc and before you know it.... Remember that THEY have to prove a case against you, anything you say, no matter how innocent - will flush you down the head.....especially when they just "check" up on you in a year or so time.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@tlevans62]

I’m amused about the people going on and in about the “Police State” and how you were treated. If it was the US and they had an official complaint against you, and video evidence of people breaking laws by interacting with protected animals in an illegal way, they’d have boarded the boat with guns drawn, handcuffed everyone and taken you to the police station for questioning. Obviously, the tour operators there, who paid a lot of money for commercial licenses to operate, complained about your “alleged illegal tour operation” and using their radio network to operate an illegal tour. They presented their complaint and video evidence to the authorities. By law, the authorities are obliged to act on the complaint. Since you’re video recording the interaction, they had to “caution” you as it’s required by law and they do so if you’re suspected of breaking the law and they’re going to be asking you questions about it. The same as reading you your Miranda rights in the US. At the stage they’re speaking to you a complaint has obviously been formally made and video evidence presented to them. They did you a favour by cautioning you and kept repeating that you’re not obliged to say anything. They would have had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that you’d committed an offence, and even with video evidence of you being there with the Whale Sharks, they don’t have evidence of a crime such as illegally running a tour operation or using an unlicensed radio transceiver for a commercial purpose, or you personally interfering with a protected species unless you admitted to doing so or they had receipts or some other evidence to prove it. They now can go back to their bosses and say they investigated and there was no offences detected. They can also tell the complainants the same thing, and they have video evidence that they cautioned you before asking you questions as is required by Australian Law and your answers showed that you didn’t do anything illegal. It wasn’t your radio, and it wasn’t you touching the Whale Shark. These guys were acting on an official complaint, not randomly harassing you for no reason. They were simply doing their jobs as required by Law. I think we need to be fair and reasonable and realise that they acted appropriately in the situation.

[@MrMeriloto]

Fair point. Maybe it's worth making clear that the law is stupid, hence stupid is as stupid does. Very sorry for those officers playing a stupid role. One thing has been made crystal clear in the last year. Australian politicians and the legal system in place sucks.

[@tlevans62]

@@MrMeriloto as compared to what?

[@MrMeriloto]

compared to what ... what exactly? A law doesn't need to be fair, right, ethical or moral. It is. At the discretion and will of those in power. Somebody mentioned here about Nüremberg trials, and in fairness those guardians were only abiding to "the law". Yes an antisemitic, xenophobic and murderer law. No questions asked, just do tour job. Same here with these officers. "Cannot touch the fish"... say what? And what if i take my mates for a ride on my boat, they pay for the beers and that could be considered a payment? A beer has a monetary value, hence I might be found guilty. What's been shown lately about Australia is going to deter MANY of travelling there for leisure. It seems the police and border forces are still behaving as when the country was an English penitentiary.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thank you for your balanced and considered comment. We agree with the majority of what you are saying. A couple of things I will add: Whale sharks are fish therefore have no laws only guidelines for swimming with them. It is unlawful to catch or harm them but not swim with them, as yet. The radio was a UHF so the tour companies don't own the network and anyone can own a UHF radio. The crew member onboard with us was communicationg with the tour guides who gave us the all clear to move in and swim with the whale sharks once they left and finally the officers were recording us so we asked if we could record them.

[@tlevans62]

@@MrMeriloto I think that's a ridiculous comparison. So these officers were summarily executing people, rounding them up, stealing their businesses and putting them in concentration camps and gassing them and burning them in ovens? Yes, the draconian implementation of lock down orders, a separate issue has not been done well, but I don't think being asked about possibly operating an illegal charter operation is comparable to Nazi atrocities in WW2. Get a grip.

[@davidgreen40]

Any time a representative of a government says “I’m advising you… that you can say nothing….” SAY NOTHING. NOTHING WHATSOEVER. NOT A PEEP, beyond asserting that you are taking their advice and remaining silent and asking to speak with an attorney retained by you.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks David, that seems to be a theme here in many comments. We found it difficult to say nothing though.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

We swam with more wild creatures recently and thought you might be interested to see this INCREDIBLE interaction. Link to the video is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLcm5lmh9enitU

[@stevew4260]

This is beyond ridiculous, what kind of Democracy treats people this way? TAKE NOTE OF THOSE THAT WISH TO TRAVEL IN AUSTRALIA, DONT. I cannot believe whats becoming of my home.

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Thanks Steve. We were ok with them boarding our boat to question us, it was the circuitous oblique questioning that ensured was unnecessary.

[@kennethjones7157]

Scary, but good thing it all came up right

[@TheCruisingKiwis]

Yeah thanks Kenneth.