Bobby Fischer's Secret Online Match vs Nigel Short in 2000

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Follow MprooV on Twitter / mproovapp #agadmator The story is that Bobby Fischer sometimes logs on to the Internet Chess Club (ICC) as a guest and plays an incredible series of blitz games against random opponents. The pattern is always the same: "Fischer", who does not have an ICC handle, will make contact either directly or through a third person and then play a series of very fast blitz games ("bullet chess"), using preposterous openings and whipping the living daylights out of his opponents. They are sworn to secrecy, so the games are seldom published. Only the stories of the apparition, of the bone-chilling encounter with the ephemeral chess legend remains.
Robert James Fischer vs Nigel Short
October 2000
Internet Chess Club
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[@swiftgoobie]

Fischer stated himself he hated chess because of the theory... he said it was a better game when people got creative and were battling with intellect not memorization.

[@seanwintersax]

Which can only be done when you have the highest level of fundamentals down, which includes a massive amount of memorization. Take your average 'good' casual player maybe 1500-1600. They would never put themselves in this position. Black actually dropped a move in this game. If it was not blitz I bet you 1,000 dollars that Fischer never under any circumstances would play this opening. Speed chess is flawed because it relies on memorization so much. That is why Fischer would dominate. Change the flow of the game and I bet you dollars to donuts so would he.

[@nothisispatrick6832]

That's a good point, grandmasters these days have just mastered a bunch of lines for openings and creative move are still apperant of course but less so

[@SuperAWaC]

i very much agree with fischer. i was one of those self-taught "promising kids" but burned out and quit when i was being transitioned from casual ranked play to professional coaching and started being taught theory. i had zero desire to learn theory and memorize the names of openings and positions and sequences, i just wanted to play chess. the pandora's box being opened for me showing me that chess is mostly just memorizing strong positions and trying to manipulate the field to get one of those pretty much killed any desire i had to keep going. chess turned from a fun game into another school and i hated school and played chess to escape school and homework.

[@s.c.6157]

Alexander Conrad I feel the same...same hatred,and same love for chess...hate for memorization and love for intellect combination...

[@yeon723]

Does that mean chess has sorta been figured out to an extent? I'm a casual chess player who recently got really interested in the game and it's history.

[@HCMCDrives]

"And it was from move 3 that we have an entirely new game".

[@hyzercreek]

well

[@hannaschack6784]

HELLO EVERYONE

[@timmyasikin3953]

Lol......

[@dentalvideos6175]

In the future: "And it was from move 40 that we have an entirely new game"

[@Orangelemonblue]

😂

[@Camcolito]

'This is avoiding completely the entire modern chess theory' - Hey I do that in every game but still lose!

[@wallywombat5829]

Have you been playing me too! ??? Lol lol

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

It's not avoiding theory though, it's actively weakening his own position. Fischer would never do this. It was obviously a kid playing with a computer. .

[@saberalgeriano]

😂😂😂 u made my day..

[@creatorart]

@@RaniaIsAwesome Back to tihis days the computer chess program on a pc was not even close powerful enough like today a gm can beat them too easy.

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

@@creatorart This game was played in 2000, deep blue beat Kasparov in a 6 game match in 1997. By 2000 the home computer could easily beat everyone, especially in blitz. In the space of about ten years it went from the computer could beat no good human player to no human having a chance against the computer.

[@sarthakkokane5776]

Bobby Fischer was playing the bongcloud before it even was a thing.

[@karloponte4368]

Bro that's what I was thinking

[@embj1088]

You've readen my mind? wtf I was thinkin' that the same day you posted this comment lmao

[@jpcd9263]

Bro wtf i was thinking the same thing

[@jpcd9263]

You’ve read my mind

[@zolfovivo9713]

One day, we're going to discover that rhe bongcloud is the best opening

[@edvingrabar5229]

"So you're a GM and one of the strongest Blitz players in the world? OK, I'll waste three moves and expose my King on f3 to give you some odds"

[@robertdegraaf8708]

Seems like only Fischer or Carlsen would say/ do that . But Carlsen probably wasn't quite that cocky at that time.

[@hwoarangthedoorbell]

@@robertdegraaf8708 The thought of Chibi Carlsen hopping onto a dial-up connection to bongcloud an opponent 500+ FIDE rating points higher than him makes me chortle.

[@yogeshvats6065]

That was good😂

[@User36282]

@@robertdegraaf8708 Carlsen was 10 years old at the time of these matches lol.

[@al3xj]

I like in game 2 where the king circles, and black never get's a chance to castle - could it be that an intentional sequence to lure forward unnatural moves to prolong a castle, trap and finish? Possible also this might be purely spontaneous and not a prepared opening, rather a test of his own mind to adapt faster than the opponent. Interesting stuff

[@OriginalThisAndThat]

Slapping around the one of the best players 8 times in a row and starting with openings like that.. Why not..

[@wallywombat5829]

Never know Nigel may have been drunk. Lol lol thought he was talking to Fisher when the guy may have asked him about a good place to go for fish and chips and a pint of course lol lol 😂

[@liamporter174]

Fischer will always be a romantic chess legend in my opinion. I think he is the best chess player that was ever born of woman. But I find it too difficult to believe that even a legend like him can give a world championship contender such a huge advantage in the opening mand then turn the tables on him. This is even too great for me to believe.

[@justme8108]

@@liamporter174 Not for me.

[@vespeneprotoss4346]

Has to be Fischer. The beauty of the game, the complete disdain for opening theory, the unusually genius yet non-engine moves ...

[@julianfrederick9082]

@@vespeneprotoss4346 I think this is superior

[@JimmyBoosterCrate]

Fischer played online. That is fucking mindblowing. We tend to think of him as an ancient legend from the same time as Tal or Botvinnik.

[@omargodinez7256]

@TheGuy WhoPlaysChess it's even more amazing that he was still so good considering he was completely NUTS

​@William Boyle I like Fischer. People with critical thinking are sometime seen has nuts by others.

[@dragosrusu9982]

@ i might be late but your parallel is nothing but stupid

[@sandromnator]

@William Boyle He wasn't nuts, he was completely correct on everything, he is only erratic about it.

[@averagejohnson3985]

He didnt play this game, Short has said this was not him, just some guy using an engine

[@nigelmoyse]

A not so well known fact is that Fischer participated in Herceg Novi in 1970, which went down in history as a kind of unofficial early Blitz World Championship. There were three ex world champions and two world title contenders (Kortchnoi and Bronstein) in a total field of 12 players. Each player had five minutes for the whole game, the usual time-limit for blitz before the introduction of electronic clocks. As the World Champion Boris Spassky wasn't there, many saw Tigran Petrosian, Spassky's predecessor as favourite. Tal and Viktor Kortchnoi were also strong blitz-players. Bobby Fischer, at that time the number one in the world, was not known as a particularly strong blitz player - until then. Fischer won with a margin of 4.5 points over Tal (who 18 years later won the world blitz championship, so you couldn't argue that he was past his peak)! Fischer's score in Herceg Novi was 19/24 and he only lost once - to Kortchnoi. According to contemporary reports, Fischer never used more than 2.5 minutes of his time in any game and outclassed the five Soviet grandmasters with 8.5-1.5. Fischer defeated Smyslov, Tal and Petrosian 2-0 each. So I think it was probably Fischer who beat Short. Thank you for your great channel and please show the other games!

[@aventura8491]

All true, except for the fact that his feat was even more incredible. Fischer scored 19 out of 22!!!

[@rjhoward7006]

I feel as tho I owe you some sort of financial compensation for this thorough, vast knowledge. Thank you, good sir!

[@christopherwarren4719]

Thanks for sharing!

[@rockybodibilder9291]

Hey I am from Herceg Novi and never knew about this thanks for sharing 😀

[@bishopcnconyeledo4527]

I agree with you. Every thing about this game smells Fischer

[@waniamal2452]

Fischer just want to play out of theory so the opponent play without memorization but pure creativity...and of course fischer won because he been play creatively since childhood

[@Account-op6ij]

So fking right!

[@michaelwright8896]

No it would be impossible for anyone to beat Short 8-0 in 2000.

[@zzxsde5252]

@@michaelwright8896 says the 1200 LOL

[@hyzercreek]

@@michaelwright8896 It was impossible to beat Bent Larson 6-0 in 1970 so it must have been a robot

[@michaelwright8896]

@@hyzercreek you have no idea what you're talking abhor.

[@Mentalist7if]

Nigel Short at that time was about 2687 elo rating and strongest engine at that time was fritz with about 2640elo. So there is no chance that he would lost all 8 games from someone playing with the engine considering also the processing speed of engines at that time. So this is either Kasparov, Karpov or as the title says great late Bobby.

[@lordmusea]

I think the only one who would have hidden their play along those three names is Fisher.

[@arinix3618]

@Bill Bob especially Karpov who plays a perfect game.

[@donaldkinsey5245]

Not necessarily true about Engine strength. Remember Deep Blue defeated Kasparov three years earlier.

[@tomaszzywicki8446]

@@donaldkinsey5245 Because it had knight sacrifice in the opening database

[@Mentalist7if]

@@donaldkinsey5245 yeah everyone had ibm supercomputer in their home back in the days. You can check strenght of the conventional chess engine very easily.

[@vicentevazquez3917]

It wasn't Fisher, it was me and I can prove it; look at my games and you'll notice that my openings are as exotic as the one on this game, the only difference is that I never win a god damn game.

[@bodhisyoutubechannelofcool7941]

Chill dude!

[@mayer5035]

No way, man! I'm a pretty "chest" player and you would never move the horsey piece like that close to the tiara piece!

[@playerunknown3234]

@@mayer5035 lol

[@grandblaster57]

🤣🔥🔥🔥 classic

[@namanlambat4581]

That is because you aren't Fischer

[@tacho9427]

Another thing to note is how nervous and tense Bobby Fischer would get due to cameras and large crowds watching him play. He nearly forfeited the game against Spassky because he said the cameras were bothering him and too many people were in the room. If Fischer could play on the internet in privacy and comfort, he would essentially have nothing holding him back

[@aphremdanha5158]

I never thought of it that way… that’ insanely insightful for such an obvious deduction.

[@Chloe-us6fi]

This opening was genius back then for Fischer. They didn't have engines for the ability to analyze every opening, so chess players would memorize the most popular openings back then and go on autopilot for the first moves. Fischer knew he was a better all around player so to counter this he used the most non conventional opening. He knew no one would study moving the king within the first moves, forcing his opponent to analyze the board under blitz time pressure and eliminating move memorization.

[@bob5945]

It's really not genius. It's obvious. The reason you think of it as genius is because you are stuck in the same limited thinking that makes most chess, and most chess players, absolute garbage. Most of Fischer's "genius" and "creativity" in latter years had far less to do with him, and far more to do with his opponents being rigid and weak. They easily collapsed and defeated themselves the moment they were thrown slightly off balance with anything that didn't conform to their memorized lines.

[@carters148]

@@bob5945 Fischer? is that u?

[@bryanp5843]

​@@bob5945 I want to be your protégé Fischer

[@Templercz]

@@bob5945 whats your elo bob?

[@Analrod]

@@Templercz well his elo wouldn't matter its just an ad hominem. The reason why fischer was dominant is also the same reason why magnus is dominant, playing unorthodox openings because they are just so much better in end game and midgame.

[@davidaleksidze3381]

"avoiding entirely the modern chess history". "Bongcloud speed run to 3000".

[@arno_grnfld455]

This is the game that inspired the bongcloud speed run, probably

[@justinbieber8028]

@@arno_grnfld455 Even if it didnt it predates the bongcloud

[@trueorstopthink4883]

Bobby Fischer's grandparents on his mother's side were Polish Jews.

[@amiruliman5]

@@trueorstopthink4883 ok

[@rov3rPL]

If bongcloud become popular it will be pulled into theory. Then what's next?

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

"If the king does not lead, how can he expect his subordinates to follow?" -Lelouch vi Britannia introducing the Code Geas gambit.

[@thel0n3lytramp63]

Lol, the chess they play in Code Geass is so unrealistic, just like 3D chess from Star Trek

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

@@thel0n3lytramp63 Still more realistic than Gokudo the Adventurer lol.

[@thel0n3lytramp63]

Bogdan Cvetkovic of course it’s a fantasy show

[@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat]

@@thel0n3lytramp63 So is Code Geas. :P

[@thel0n3lytramp63]

Bogdan Cvetkovic yeah but chess is a real game, it’s supposed to have rules😁

[@lockdowndb4863]

The style, the dominance, the being unorthodox and seemingly reckless. The fact that black had a winning position and still couldn't win. Every move including giving up his queen all seemed like a calculation and lure into his 20-25 move trap. This game was an abstract masterpiece. Well down by Bobby Fischer❤

[@IanBenedict]

The Bongcloud Attack is clearly the best opening

[@wombra8314]

Ian Benedict 😂😂😂👍

[@BigStupidFingers]

It's actually a Bongcloud variant. As the standard Bongcloud line is E3, followed by Ke2. lol. What a throwback!

[@iLikesTheCoke]

The Bobby Bongcloud

[@wallywombat5829]

@@iLikesTheCoke put those bongs down and get your head out of the cloud there's no Bobby it's me U forgot there's another f 3 king f2 try that one as well play it on short lol lol

[@kirktoufor5991]

There are very, very few people ( if any ) who in the year 2000 could beat Nigel Short 8-0 . So, yeah I'm guessing it was indeed Fischer.

[@IchGlaubEsHacktWohl]

I let some of the latest engines (Stockfish 9, Rybka...) analyze the game: 80-90% of "Fischer´s" moves are NOT suggested by the engines (mostly not even as 2nd or 3rd alternatives). If the engines in those days weren't completely different than these days, the moves seem to be very human. To make it even more funny: Short´s move were more often expected by the engines. Very weird....

[@lollycopter]

Engines don't understand that opponents can be intimated into playing weaker responses. Engines don't expect opponents to blunder, but Bobby knew how to make his opponents blunder. It seems very plausible that Fischer's anti-engine chess is also anti-mortal.

[@sergiocosta6930]

I laughed almost 3 min non stop after seeing this outrageous opening, this guy is the Nicola Tesla of the chess... pure gold! Such the at will... almost non stop mockery destroying the opponent ego by move, keine adjektive für Bobi Fischer, er ist "thy" chess true genious.

[@jstkamukwamba3674]

@@lollycopter you mean "immortal" 😂😂😂

[@somaumas]

That's why Fischer is the god of chess!!!

[@gsp-thechosenone4949]

Wonder how kasparov would play against fischer

[@bacchuslax7967]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Bobby felt that he had gotten everything he could out of classical and wanted to open the door to a new scheme. Pretty sure he played a lot more online then we would ever know of.

[@joemarchi1]

Definitely Fischer. The opening moves seem unlikely to be computer tactics at any level. Fischer rails in videos against what he considers to be a ruination of the game by the systematic study of opening moves and subsequent theories that result in elimination of creativity. This game is a perfect example of how he might approach the game based on those beliefs. There seems also to be a large experimentation component you don't find playing computers.

[@RoadkillX33]

It's interesting to note that Kasparov, in his match against Deep Blue, seems to have adopted an approach along the same lines, though not quite so radical. Kasparov's rationale was that the computer had the whole encyclopedia of chess openings and endgames programmed into its memory, so if he used standard openings, the computer would only have to "figure out" a few moves in middle game. We should also remember that some familiar openings, like Alekhine's Defense, use strategies that were at one time thought to be unsound. So I suspect that Fisher, playing against himself in his seclusion, may have been exploring new openings!

[@EGvids1]

That’s right, Fischer always advocated for creativity. He had said it in his most recent interviews.

[@kkarx]

It could be someone who just played bs moves in the beginning and then turned on engine but yes it could be also Fischer. You believe in creativity? Imo chess is just a game of imagination, not creativity. You don't create anything, you just move pieces to new positions. If you can imagine how the board will look like after several moves you will be a good player. The better imagination the better player....

[@EGvids1]

@@kkarx you create great combinations in Chess with good vision. That is what he meant.

[@carlostejada1479]

@@kkarx learn what creativity means.

[@billynollii7396]

Who else but Bobby? What a crazy opening. I am a strong A club player, and this blows my mind. It also could have been God.

[@babyboy8597]

Or an alien.

[@alexcerullo3143]

Billy Noll II but there’s no such thing as god!!!!...

[@acrxsls1766]

@@alexcerullo3143 Of course there is. No cringe atheism please.

[@cebceb3674]

Why cant it be a normal player with a Computer??

[@babyboy8597]

@@cebceb3674 Because of the nature of the questions Nigel asked to that guy-very specific but at the same time,very difficult to answer.

[@PushButtonPress]

He treats this game as an ending from the opening.

[@armanbolouri9440]

I respect fischer for avoiding opening memorization...but chess is still fundamentally shit with memorized patterns/positions ingrained in your head after playing for a while...experience and memorization beats talent unfortunately, chess is shit and is a complete hoax/pandora's box, a game which seems to signify "intelligence," but instead focuses upon and represents brainless memorization...pathetic in my own words... rest is in my thoughts and needs not to be said when I know it all myself already

[@Kuumin]

@@armanbolouri9440 what

[@thereoncewasalimerickwriter]

@@armanbolouri9440 If you have such contempt for chess, why do you watch this channel?

[@jamese.ivoryiii2589]

A pithy, and accurate observation. Masterpieces are the only products of this unique mind! -J

[@jamese.ivoryiii2589]

@@armanbolouri9440 Fundamentally rubbish. The permutations of the jaded mind.

[@VitorsDen]

Did Fischer play the bongcloud?!!! What a legend

[@NicheHistory1]

Heard a story from one of my chess teachers as a kid who said his friend, a grandmaster, played against Fischer online. Fischer played the same opening and then smacked him. Hadn't thought about it until this video

[@traderdox]

If this was any other grandmaster, they'd proudly come out. It's not anyone alive. It's Bobby!

[@luka243]

100& ♥

[@samuelrosenbalm]

No, it was not.

[@user-bk9fk2tq2z]

@@samuelrosenbalm Maybe it was

[@skddwivedi2158]

A person who can defeat tal in the style of tal himself is surely the best player. He played on engine mode once. Only he can win against short with such bad positions. Fischer's confidence is sooo unique, only he has his confidence. Just shows how strong he really was.

[@nolebeeks303]

" let the teacher show you how to paint but never let the teacher tell you what to paint "

[@user9675]

"Better than Kasparov" ...ABSOLUTELY!

[@avonacolyte]

"White's three moves with the king are somewhat questionable..."🤣

[@dennisberceles7387]

You question the loser not the winner's opening with his king walk... or walks.

[@curtisfowler4972]

Sounds like a head start to me.

[@monacosera805]

Questionable as to how soon his victory will be maybe.

[@ethanrozling2732]

Nigel Short is such a strong player, it's hard to believe him getting crushed 0-8, unless of course it was Fischer.

[@Robfenix]

That game was insane! White plays on a knife’s edge the entire game and just pulls a win out of a hat. Pure genius. The white player also very explicitly plays not like a computer.

[@bluarcher5941]

Who else but Bobby could play that kind of unorthodox opening and not only get away with it, but end up winning the game?

[@brianniemi7051]

After consideration, it really displays a kind of arrogance that I would expect from Fischer. It's like saying 'Ok, I'm playing one of the best blitz players of the time, but I have crushed you 5 games to 0 already, so I'll give you some odds. I'll play a weak opening and waste a few moves to give you tempo, and still defeat you' And he does it in a style that only Fischer could, in my opinion. Remember that Fischer himself in a later interview basically alluded that he was the greatest chess player that ever lived. Why not make the game a bit more challenging? If he can keep the pieces somewhat level, I know who I'm betting to find the positional advantage of any end game scenario. And in the year 2000, a NICE computer was probably 333-533MHz processor, and I don't know of any chess engine at the time that could play this sharp and, well, masterful. The Queen sacrifice with so many moves to go is not an engine move. Bravo

[@KARTIKEYA007]

It was a chess engine taking over after move 3. A 58 year old man cant play like this and no, fisher, even in his prime, cant beat nigel short like that.

[@escaperoomleander1948]

KARTIKEYA007 In the year 2000? Unlikely.

[@KARTIKEYA007]

there were plenty of strong computers in that era. Deep blue had already defeated kasparov and another computer had defeated anand. I'm sure it was a computer, people thinking it was fisher are complete idiots

[@xyhmo]

Not saying it was fischer, but Deep Blue was insanely much more powerful than a year 2000 desktop computer. Edit: if anything it was a team of a great player and a chess engine.

[@17donhol]

Brian Niemi He was the greatest of all time

[@squidy7771]

it's not a queen sacrifice if you exchange it with two rooks...

[@GodleyBeast]

I mean if you want to get technical he lost a pawn and a queen for two rooks which isn't necessarily equal given their position

[@multafija]

Let's give the proper credits to a guy who wanna play volunteeerily without his queen. Terribly cool.

[@willbendingsteel6258]

Tell that to the king ;)

[@mariusgrobler]

For sure. Besides, I don't want to play against a GM without at least TWO queens. It is quite amazing.

[@jasongoodacre]

It's too easy to get hung up on keeping your Queen. I often exchange my Queen for 2 rooks especially in an open position. Perfectly acceptable.

[@darrencarter]

That opening blew me away. I never would have done that. So cool that he won after doing that. Great video!

[@BowlerJ1]

This game is classic Fischer. The player in this game is so brilliant that, at times, he makes you wonder what he's doing, and his style of play is reminiscent of Fischer, so it's difficult not concluding this player is Fischer.

[@MrSimmies]

I always told my students: "the king is an attacking piece!"

[@pranshulbhardwaj7302]

please write the whole thing...king is an attacking peace...BUT U LOST EVERY GAME with this STRAT toO 😐😶😷

[@cinegraphics]

What's best, if you lose the king during the attack........ you become unbeatable!!

[@johnryan5828]

That's great MR Simmies, but this is a cello lesson, care to get back to what your supposed to be teaching???

[@craigkdillon]

What a bizarre opening. I loved it. If it wasn't Fischer, it was someone as crazy. To bring your king out to the 3rd rank in the first few moves, and then win is really challenging. Had to be him.

[@gabekozak6536]

BOBY FISCHERRRRRR Mikhail Tal showered him with praises, calling him "the greatest genius to have descended from the chess heavens".

[@chandie5298]

it always makes me laugh when I read random people on the internet being critical of Bobby Fischer and his unmatched level of chess when actual GMs at the highest levels had extremely high opinions of Fischer's talent, skill and deep understanding of chess. Tal, Spassky and many others held Fischer in very high esteem in context of his chess abilities. That automatically makes the negative opinions of people who aren't even 2500 as completely worthless. But then... there are people like Hikaru who are not worthy of washing Fischer's feet who are critical of him.

[@miguellorenzo3609]

Bobby Fischer was sick.. his moves can’t be replicated by anyone and win..

[@jonp3890]

In a world always full of intellectual frauds, he really was the real deal.

[@JB_inks]

No matter how many times I watch this game it's incredible. It has Fischer's fingerprints all over it. He toyed with Short (a superb player) before destroying him. Amazing stuff.

[@assindwt]

This is my favorite game of all time!!!! I watched it for more than 10 times. Great job!!!!!

[@6teezkid]

I could see exquisite precision in this game that kept all pieces working in harmony. Had to be a player of the highest caliber. But, that precision, along with the boldness and confidence in each move sure indicated it was someone only in Fischer’s league. Plus, OF COURSE Bobby would be online playing chess! So, he had to pop up somewhere. And 8 games out of 8? Plus immediately typing in “1970” when asked the question if he knew a certain chess player? Definitely 99% it was Fischer. I’ll go back to when I said, “OF COURSE Bobby would be online playing chess” - and his games had to pop up somewhere...THESE 8 games were the ‘somewhere’. With all that, my un-expert opinion is: 100% it was him.

[@80srenaissance67]

" halfway through my opponent screamed " fuck the juice " Fischer confirmed

[@joeweider9471]

the 'armando' thing makes this very intriguing for sure, and remember, bobby was pretty adamant about his dislike for modern chess and all the theory and memorization involved with the game even by that time, so it does make sense that he'd play 'out of book', especially in a blitz game in which he was probably the greatest player of all time...i doubt if nigel short would even think of creating a story like this just for the hell of it...chess computers at that time were good, but they were not like the monsters we have today (SF, H, and K)...i'm inclined to believe it was, indeed, bobby-- thx for this post, you're a good presenter and narrator--

[@m3mario]

There is no question that Bobby Fischer is the best chess player ever. This game is proof. No one else can play like this.

[@XanderG4]

Magnus has been playing similarly lately.

[@louisyama9145]

@@Jk-qx7gmwe also have to consider that the competition is stronger now, though

[@aliensconfirmed3498]

​@@louisyama9145 I think the competition is stronger argument is flawed. Fischer's competition wasn't weak. It's not that average chess strength of let's say top 20 players suddenly dipped. It was Fischer who reached far greater hights that anyone else. Talking of Magnus he hasn't surpassed the level Kasparov reached by big margin. Only thing he has against Fischer is longevity which Kasparov does too. But for pure genius and creativity Fischer was in different league. May be Morphy would challenge him on equal footing but no one else.

[@camreese]

I love this game so much on so many levels. It has mystery, it throws out the books, its creative, and I would have loved to see Fischer play magnus or pragg

[@yayagazab4449]

The way he used his bishop on the left side of the board is indicative it was BF. Overall he used a diversionary tactic on the right side to open up the left side of the board only to strike back on the right. Seemed almost like a tactical military move. BF is a courageous & masterful player.

[@rickresendiz1871]

I remember when this happened. Even Nigel short was sure its Bobby. Bobby played fisher random by then, this crazy opening fit in the whole idea of going off book.

[@redpilledfag]

I'm guessing Fischer wanted to play actual chess and not give in to theory, so he did those strange openings to force the both of them into an entirely new game each time. Fischer has always been critical of chess becoming a game of just memorization, so it would be characteristic of him to play that way.

[@kitrichardson2165]

This was an amazing game and an amazing story. Thank you for digging it up and bringing it to us!

[@shaundiltz5821]

I love coming back to this video. It’s one of my favorite games. The lore, the score, and the sac. You should do all even get games

[@redwansaaty9324]

undying legend, my favorite... won with even the wtf moves against the worlds best blitz player haha some legend he is a name thats never gonna be forgotten he made more than history...

[@user-fo7il3pb2f]

Thank you so much for posting this amazing, mind blowing game which seems to re-write the book of chess. Fischer seems to understand chess on a wholly deeper level than most people. This game was genius. It was an honor and a pleasure just viewing it. Kind regards.

[@MrTee-ls5lx]

Not only does he - move the King 3x in the opener - but also doesn't Develop any pieces before his 13th move - moves the same pawn 3 times - and to top it all off sacrifices the queen It's as if he is rubbing it in adding insult to injury going 8:0 against one of the best blitz players in the world And doing all that like 25 years past his prime. How can there be any debate who the GOAT is?

[@2vintage68]

There isn't.

[@jbdpromil]

No debates whatsoever.

[@ezhilarasan1446]

I have watched this video several times.My only request to you is to do the other 7 games played.It will be really fun to watch.

[@k_ralph9391]

Maybe it was Carlsen home alone.

[@SlightSmile]

I can beat Magnus at age 10, so IDTS

[@michaelwright8896]

@@SlightSmile No you beat a model of Carlsen.

[@charlesq7866]

Drinking beer.

[@sirm_ofrt5463]

LMAO

[@cheesetoochalk]

hahahahahaaa!!!

[@iannovick]

Sometimes when I play a with a player around my ranking, I like to throw one or two wild moves in just to see what happens, 8 out of 10 games I'll end up losing, but in the meantime, I'm rewarded with a game that I've never played before. Totally worth it.

[@tavferry3301]

I'd LOVE if you uploaded more of these games against Nigel.

[@j_m_b_1914]

I really enjoy your videos. You do an amazing job breaking down the games so that the strategy employed by the players is easy to understand by a chess novice. Thanks for making these awesome videos.

[@mikevaldez7684]

A most unbelievable game! One thing I noticed in studying Bobby's games is that from an early age Bobby did have an uncanny ability to attack on both sides of the board almost simultaneously, or "switch" sides back-n-forth as Agadmator mentions here. That is definitely a Fischer trait that I have only seen in computers. He was brilliant.

[@RaniaIsAwesome]

It wasn't Fischer at all dumbass.

[@gawayne1374]

I love how different this game is.

[@gregtaylor6146]

Thank you Antonio..........probably THE most beautiful game I've ever seen!

[@alcoholfree6381]

Nigel Short is a highly rated player and the person playing him handled him easily. When Fischer played he just seemed to be other worldly; a pleasure to behold. To beat Short several games in a row and so “easily” it would take someone like Fischer. It really was a pretty game; fun to watch, a Fischer game. I wish he could’ve been around longer! Thanks!

[@whitephantom7960]

Its Bobby 100% who would play King to f2 in 2nd move and then King to f3 i mean only one person can...

[@wasd____]

A chess engine can. Some human could make the first few moves manually to set up an outrageous opening, then let a computer take over to win the game.

[@fernandomariz7057]

Winston Deleon yeah, but this was back in 2000, chessengines weren't as strong as they are nowadays, I don't think an old computer could do such things in a blitz match against a high quality GM...

[@fernandomariz7057]

Winston Deleon without mentioning the lots of pawn moves, one engine would never do that...

[@colinjava8447]

Someone pretending to be Fischer?

[@AlexanderWeixelbaumer]

If pretended to be Fischer and moved my King in the first move I would be beaten even more horribly...

[@ranjithnatarajan1440]

with all fischer games i have seen so far, i can conclude its him... it could only be him... we all know "fischerandom" so he chose f4 kf2... Plzzz do all the other games

[@chessbrainiac]

Then ask yourself why he didn't challenge any of the strong players to play fischerrandom instead. The reason is simply that in 2000 not all engines had the option to play fischerrandom. So this guy, with some engine and his own whacko opening book could only play normal chess. Think rationally instead of let your wishful thinking into believing stupid myths.

[@centralprocessingunit2564]

Ole Morten Persen You are stupid, because this game clearly shows that he doesn't play any specific opening!!! Fucking second move was king to f2!!! No one plays that!!!

[@1man1bike1road]

but then if you wanted people to think your fischer you would do the same

[@rolandbrackx1950]

Ashutosh Gupta true, he was paranoid about electronics, but he also hated crowds and treasured his privacy, so him denieing playing on the net fits, i think he enjoyed nothing beter then To enjoy the game in all anonimity and be the champ without being public, without getting out of his room, without jeapordising his aura of being the best, a dream for him

[@emregeylani]

yea i second this, i'd love to see more games

[@sullywinn4225]

Drew him in with the wild king side opening. Absolutely goes to work with that light square bishop once it opens up. Surgically precise endgame. Sure looked like a Bobby Fischer match to me. Nigel also doesn't seem the type to tell tales. Awesome video, thanks!

[@energyexecs]

...Here to just listen, watch, and enjoy. Thank you Agadmator.

[@eddiereedbigband1]

It's easy to disguise a chess computer by using an odd opening then allowing the computer to finish the game. But I prefer to think It was really Bobby who smashed Short. Your channel is my favorite chess channel. You are a true connoisseur of the game. THANK YOU !

[@khangle6872]

At the time, engine was premature and Nigel was rated higher than them anyway, if it was an engine, he at least would draw most games and win some

[@darrenspokane]

I’m inclined to agree that it is Bobby Fischer. The evidence certainly suggests that it is him. It is the logical conclusion. This was definitely an interesting game, to say the very least. Thank you for sharing it

[@ObiwanNekody]

Thank you so very much for making this video.

[@Alex-ms8mb]

Warms my heart to think there was a Johnny cash looking bobby fischer playing internet chess and wrecking the field

[@seand8534]

This is the most incredible game I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot! Thanks for the video

[@AdityaKumar-hk8dp]

Typical Fischer. Giving up queen for 2 rooks.

[@puppy8125]

Aditya Kumar that’s an equal trade...

[@Wtahc]

@@puppy8125 Yeah, you made a grave mistake if you think Fischer Truthers know a thing about chess

[@RicardoAGuitar]

Thumbs up for that comment. (For those who don't know, Fischer preferred the queen to the rook-pair)

[@Wtahc]

@@RicardoAGuitar in that case the comment is incorrect

[@RicardoAGuitar]

@@Wtahc I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

[@hameedullah385]

show more games of this epic match, Bobby deserves this much!

[@BlazeRhodon]

I think it might be Bobby Fischer (although I might be wrong). According to Wikipedia, Fischer stayed in home of Canadian grandmaster Peter Biyiasas, and always won him in blitz games, so I guess, on emigration in Japan after his last tournament game in 1992, Fischer wanted to play online blitz tournament with a strongest player in world (who was Nigel Short back then).

[@agadmator]

What do you think? Was it Bobby?

[@ranjithnatarajan1440]

agadmator's Chess Channel with all fischer games i have seen so far, i can conclude its him... it could only be him... we all know "fischerandom" so he chose f4 kf2... Plzzz do all the other games

[@Saixua]

I played a player on chess.net back in the day who played exactly this way. But, he was logged in as a guest. He crushed me hard. It'd be cool if it was.

[@ColinDaviesNZ]

It does seem like Fischer's style. But hell some Elvis impersonators are darn good.

[@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral]

Remember that Nigel was amazing in 2000. And this person crushed him after moving his king in the first moves. It has to be Bobby.

[@kewkabe]

It was a guy with a computer. He plays the first few moves himself then switches over to the computer.

[@johnnyzee383]

Most certainly was NOT an engine, and noone else could play inferior openings and win against Short. Had to be Fischer as he hated modern chess because of the openings so he chose inferior lines just to get out of theory and still won. Imagine how really good he was!

[@hansmahr8627]

God, you people are fucking naive. You seem to think that Fischer is some kind of superhuman, who can come out of retirement thirty years after his prime and mop the floor with one of the best blitz players of the time. That's absolute bullshit. No one can do that. Age and lack of training take their toll. Fischer would have been crushed in 2000 by every single top 10 player, just like Kasparov today would not dominate the field as he did when he was active.

[@janethenry518]

How do we know he wasnt still playing the game , even perhaps against computers or other players abroad? We dont know for certain. He was also known for memorizing whole games from other players that were played decades before , that is pure brilliance. I wouldnt summarily dismiss this is him.. I see your point, but some ppl are the exception.

[@CARPB147]

You are absolutely correct. Yes, I believe it is sufficient evidence that it was Bobby Fischer. Probabilities that it could be someone else are vanishingly small because we are *combining* probabilities: That he would play a crazy, even disdainful opening, that he would answer curtly (and immediately) "1970" to an obscure name, and that he would crush a notable GM 8-0. Profoundly amazing. Very sorry that Fischer became so emotionally troubled, but he had fair reason to feel persecuted by government bureaucracies who had no clue about how special he was. That said, any assumptions that he hadn't played or studied chess since 1972 is just unfounded. Doesn't matter what he said publicly to throw people off his trail. That was typically him. He was a recluse, but chess was about the *only* thing he knew in life. He was a complicated man. He didn't like people or the limelight, he hated being challenged after having won the world championship in 1972 because he had already proven himself. He did think that chess was increasingly being "played out" and that is why he proposed variations like Fischer Random, or chess960. He felt that memorization of openings was almost cheating even though his own memory was prodigious. In a plane interview, he distinguished being a "great" modern player vs being super "talented" (like Morphy who wouldn't stand a chance against modern GMs if he hadn't opened a book in the last 100 years). He preferred talent and taking people out of classic openings. That's why this series against Nigel Short is so compelling. People doubting that it was Fischer are just not seeing the big picture. His opening was pure disdain to a noted GM, and to the game in a way. Pure and deeply Fischer.

[@facespaz]

You should look up Sultan Khan he had little knowledge and understanding of theory and openings, but demonstrated that with pure talent you can still beat the best even starting from a weak position.

[@CARPB147]

facespaz - Looking up Sultan Khan may be interesting, but doesn't prove anything at all about the point Zoccano made. It's not about focusing on one point and ignoring the others. There is *zero* chance Sultan Khan would have answered "1970" in a split second to the name of an obscure player brought up by N. Short during the games he lost 0-8 to the online player, ostensibly Fischer.

[@carlkligerman1981]

Has to be Fischer, the execution of this treads that line between elegant and aggressive in a totally novel way. A beautiful game!

[@arkos1179]

Carl Kligerman it was an engine user

[@hasamoker01]

@@arkos1179 don't state it as a fact if you can't say for sure

[@arkos1179]

@@hasamoker01 obv it was an engine user by that time engines were good enough, Fischer beat Spassky 10-5 7 yrs ago so it is impossible to think, that he will beat the top player with such a score, the engine user played a few stupid mves himself and the rest was played by computer, we all know that Nigel was an attention whore , so it is no surprise that he was the one spreading stuff like that

[@arkos1179]

@@hasamoker01 state ur fact , that how it was Fischer

[@arkos1179]

@Hamster Akademie no its funny that people dont realise that it was obviously an engine

[@Vivungisport]

I swear honest to God! That this play from "Fischer " is the sickest and most impressive chess I ever encountered. I still can't understand how this is even possible 😮

[@al3xj]

Live and breath chess for most of your life, 'the language of spacial positions' not just chess but other spacial puzzles, likely reducing language ability in English or social languages, exercise, 1-pointed laser focus to be world champion - I don't know much but his entire life seemed about chess, nothing else was interesting to him. He played chess with ever cell of his body. So if this was him, I'm not surprised he was so agile and adaptive and sharp, he is like a swordsman who only spoke with his sword his entire adult life, as the martial artists say, an extension of his own body - there's my interpretation, and love these games too inspiring away from rote opening theory - it's spacial fluency :)

[@RipanDutta1992]

I wish I could give this video 1000 likes but I can only say Thank you. So,thank you.

[@hectorhernandez7299]

Nigel Short was in love with Armando Acevedo daughter, Merlina Acevedo , thats why he asked for Armando Acevedo.

[@trabant66666]

chicken lover

[@rubenmagtotosr5691]

ha ha ha what ? and thus the reference to viagra

[@dcfunhouse]

just googled Senorita Acevedo, and i can see why Nigel fell for her--luminous beauty!

[@Frazer777]

My already high opinion of Nigel short just increased by 1000%.

[@facespaz]

Thanks for that info, was wondering if Nigel picked an arbitrary player.

[@uroszugelj]

Thank you for this.

[@StephenPaulTroup]

3:01 "This is avoiding completely the entire modern chess history." Like Alpha Zero. Fischer was Alpha Zero before there was an Alpha Zero.

[@triflomastera4882]

That only increases the chances of this being a random guy with an engine

[@uselessdegenerate7565]

@@triflomastera4882 this was in 2000 mate

[@triflomastera4882]

@@uselessdegenerate7565 So what? Also, Nigel Short himself said he doesn't think the person playing is Bobby Fischer, look it up. As amazing as that would be, it was certainly just a cheater.

[@uselessdegenerate7565]

@@triflomastera4882 yea probably

[@mr_bad_killer1330]

@@triflomastera4882 which engine plays this moves?

[@WarpRulez]

For the fun of it, I analyzed the game with Stockfish. After 3. Kf3 it evaluated the position as -3.2. Which effectively means that white is giving black a handicap of about 3 pawns, or one minor piece, in terms of position. 4. c3 gives even more of a handicap, as the engine evaluates the position as -4.1. So now it's about 4 pawns of handicap, in terms of position. After 7. Kg2, white has already gained some of that handicap back, as the evaluation is about -1.8. 11... Rg8 seems to have been a very sub-optimal move, as the evaluation jumped from about -1.5 to -0.7. On the other hand, 12. c5 was also a very sub-optimal move, as the evaluation jumped back to -1.8. When white trades the queen for the rooks, the evaluation is at -4.5. But then black makes a sub-optimal move again (Bf5) and the evaluation jumps to -2.7. The first move that makes the position equal is 41... Qe7. And the balance scales in favor of white with 44... Qc7, with the evaluation jumping to +1.1. 45... f6 is a complete blunder, as it allows mate in 16.

[@medexamtoolsdotcom]

5:42 "And Fischer makes a brilliant move"... me: "Is it moving the knight to f4?"... moves knight to f4... me: (squeals like a little girl).

[@trb7153]

Ditto. I found the move and, for maybe the first time in my life, felt like I had seen the board like RJFischer.

[@andrewyung9111]

the pioneer of the bongcloud

[@josephc.3192]

I was just thinking this lmfaooooo

[@RaymenchacaSc2]

Your pepe makes your comment that much better 😭

[@bradjunes1610]

Thanks for putting this one out there. Id haft to agree it was Bobby Fisher. I wonder how fast it was played though. Lot of great moves.

[@ferventheat]

Crazy genius. Never seen a king up the board so early. He knows how to play

[@brianniemi7051]

Extremely intriguing! I hope you can show the other 7 games at some point. I'm curious to see Fischer's other rogue openings, as I think it could only be him

[@henni1964]

The white moves make the impression on me like an AlphaZero kind of style, particularly during the transition to the endgame. I very much doubt, an engine could have found this string of moves back then. So in my opinion, also regarding the chosen opening, Bobbys appearance is very likely. Amazing game btw. 😀

[@photopro28]

I think it was Fischer, not only because he instantly recalled the year when he played the obscure GM, but he beat Short, who was top 5 in blitz at the time. Also, chess engines were very weak 20 years ago. And even a weak chess engine would not move the king out like that.

[@sleepy4x]

I think it was Armando Acevedo.... :-)

[@agadmator]

+sleepy55 It was :)

[@brianteskey2425]

agadmator's Chess Channel it was??

[@M3t4lManiac]

Yeah it was definitely the Avocado guy!

[@Ronbo710]

Guacamole Gambit *YUM*

[@henrylarry44]

Turkey joe jones

[@rafaelkss2009]

Nigel: "It must be Fischer" Deepmind: "They're not ready yet..."

[@Blade.5786]

@@somebody700 I'm something of a conspiracy theorist myself

[@suryakiransuravarapu]

My first thought was that but computers play best moves / good moves to get strong advantage and then crush people , this king 👑 move won't be played by deepmind . Unless someone feeds that opening. It can't / won't go for this kind of opening

[@elementsofphysicalreality]

The OG bongcloud lol. What a game. I wasnt expecting to be so impressed.

[@bradyward8579]

I have a friend that played lots of 1-0 on ICC and is a registered master level chess player. He has a story about playing Fischer in about 10 consecutive games very similar to the story shared here. At the time his 1-0 rating was over 2400. The believed Fischer player crushed him and then spouted anti semantic remarks for a while. He never said he was Bobby Fischer and then left.

[@robloxvids2233]

I think you mean anti-Semitic. Not semantic. But we're arguing semantics here.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

This game would be perfect for cinematic chess scenes like in Code Geass and No Game No Life

[@eddik0lol]

Fischer leading with the king 👑

[@atharvakokaje5818]

Definitely 🤩 Let's hope NGNL season 2 features chess

[@jamesGasm]

@@atharvakokaje5818 lets just hope for a season 2

[@Crashandburn999]

@@atharvakokaje5818 There will never be a season 2.

[@jukmifggugghposer]

(Rant time). Look, I love NGNL, it’s maybe my favorite anime, but I have lost all faith in the creators’ knowledge of chess. In episode 9 or so, when Sora challenges elf girl to a match and stops existing, Shiro and Steph play a game of chess. Shiro’s supposed to lose it, but then she turns it around at the last second and it’s all triumphant n shit. Great emotional moment. HOWEVER At the end of the game, when Shiro makes her big winning move, she’s already in check. The big move she makes doesn’t address this check. Game rule violation notwithstanding, Steph could literally capture Shiro’s king after the “big move”. So, with that said, I wouldn’t get my hopes up for any legitimately cool chess games in NGNL.

[@WarPigOnYT]

really masterful play. Yes i agree sounds like enough for me to believe it Fischer.

[@siewlaitan3875]

Bobby is a very creatively adventures player !. Just very amazing. A great pioneer !.

[@jonathanruano4973]

Hell, I can see Bobby Fischer pulling off a crazy stunt like that and triumph in spectacular style.