The Mutt Lange 8 Bar Secret

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[@BobbyLouxMusic]

Doc, you are “next level” … I dig how us older guys who recall mutts genius, get to see you form it out in the modern platforms. The production tips of my youth were all so guarded and took on these mythical concepts! Enjoy all your Mutt reference vids as well as your generosity spreading your knowledge!

[@BobbyHuff]

I appreciate that Bobalouie!

[@savedalsman2081]

agreed

[@petealba707]

Great advice and example. It was amazing how one open string note with tremolo caught my attention as did all the other details. You've given me a wealth of ideas, thank you Doc!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Pete.

[@dwightdeon2421]

What's really interesting is that i intuitively do this on most of my productions. Always adding little elements to carry the song to the chorus. Second verse usually has more elements than the first, to pick it up a notch etc... Great info, Bobby!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Dwight!

[@rocnathan]

Took the words right out of my mouth with the orchestral composers. One of the biggest mistakes young composers make is keeping their orchestration too static. Listen to guys like Alan Silvestri and John Powell (and of course the old masters) and how they keep moving things around to follow the 8-bar rule (or less, depending on tempo), switching melody from one instrument or section to another, interoducing coiunterpoint or embellishments, etc. On another note, I absolutely love the electro-spaghetti western vibe of this track.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Roc!

[@ulfsvensson9710]

"It's the little things!" Good to be reminded of it, once in a while.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Ulf!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Ulf!

[@asawiggins]

The Riser plug is my jam! I love it. Playing transition FX like an instrument. 🤌🏼

[@ivorytelecaster]

I’ve noticed in a lot of current pop music that elements change almost every two bars and sometimes drop all of the previous instrumentation like they are starting a new song every 8. Thanks for another great video

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Michael!

[@pyratoothNL]

True. But also makes all the current pop tunes so damned predictable and by the numbers. Nobody dares to change it up.

[@SJR_Media_Group]

Dr B... looks like during post production what the band brings to table is just really the start. You add depth and texture on top of whatever they bring. Without those little 'adds' by you, the pre-chorus is rather dull. You certainly take steps that add life to intro and set up for the coming chorus. Yes, rules are rules, and sometimes they aren't. Wisdom gained from experience determines how and when rules apply or don't. I can recall listening to 80's rock back in the day with headphones. On top of these tricks you demonstrate, sound balance Left / Right was also tweaked. Could really hear the Stereo effect and then it would change back and forth. It was orgasm for the ears. It was even better than being there in concert... perfect post production left us wanting more (so we bought more).

[@Owl-qh2rh]

Great vid! Fleshed out out a concept I was doing instinctively held it up and added some great advice 🙏 many thanks and Rock on you good thing!! Keep up the great work your Awesome Doc 🙏🕊️

[@gtrfan35]

Great sounding track and info! Love that chorus! thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@devendasmusic]

You do good work Bob. Appreciate It

[@BobbyLaneProductions]

you really have to have good instincts for this technique to work effectively.. and you have them.. thanks for your videos.

[@michaeltablet8577]

That is excellent!! Thanks again for all your videos!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Michael!

[@javascript6948]

Another Excellent video , Bobby you never disappoint

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks man!

[@teeveeviewerski3381]

Sometimes not adding something (generally after you have been adding) is adding. A well placed rest. The one time the tubular bell doesn't ring. Thanks Doc. Great lessons.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Tee Vee!

[@Arufured0]

Amazing quality of music, arrangement and overall sound itself. Bravo!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Arufured!

[@roaldraschner1627]

This is a f... cool track. I love it.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Roald!

[@ryananthony4840]

Reminds me of Robert Plant "Ship of Fools"...... has the little clave thing sporadically throughout

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Ryan. Love that song!

[@meanmr.mustard]

Great song Bob👍🏻. I really like music that combines the old with the new.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Mustard!

[@BrianFunkMusic]

Great Examples! This track sounds really cool, lots of interesting instrumental choices!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Brian. Nice to see you on here!

[@BrianFunkMusic]

@@BobbyHuff Every Thursday, right before band practice!

[@thaddeusodonnell3986]

Ive always known this just by ear.. kinda always thought it WOULD be the 4 bar rule, but correct if the tempo was fast then it would change things. Very cool stuff with the intro and totally wet clave that almost sounds like something from a synth. Coping the 8 or 4 bar rule with the rule of 2, when you drop in 2 things at a time, it puts the listener in an exponentially expanding soundscape. I really like the idea of adding in little parts on the changes, and not just adding in things that have to stay in the mix, but almost like effects that cue the new part. Gonna have to use that more as well as the purposefully guiding the listener idea .also minimizing right before a chorus to really have it be felt. Awesome example!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks man!

[@JonAnderhub]

Good stuff thanks!

[@vl292]

Now that you said it, it's obvious. Intuitively this is something that you'd do even if you didnt know the rule existed. But the real talent, vision and craftmanship is how to apply this. You lose the element of surprise if you just copy this idea. All in all, this is very good food for the though. Thank you, awesome video.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks VL!

[@davebops2478]

Really good video, Doc! Love your channel.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Dave!

[@bryancolevox]

Excellent! Thanks for sharing buddy!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks man!

[@TimE_5150]

Bob, with all sincerity this is the best explanation of producing / arranging that I have ever seen. And I have been at this for quite a while!! Thank you again! Also I finally joined the lounge, great samples. When is the next live stream? Is it separate from your KZbin livestreams?

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Tim! I appreciate you saying that and joining up!

[@timothygilman3010]

Bob, Thank you for this excellent lesson. Arrangement and finishing songs is what I struggle with the most. This lesson was extremely helpful to me. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise with all of us and for knocking it out of the park again. By the way, what is the name of the track you were working on and how do we purchase a copy to listen to? Does the final release have lyrics and vocals?

[@JaviBello]

Love that one Bob!

[@BobbyHuff]

Jaaaaaaaav!!

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

‼️‼️😎👍‼️‼️ The music in this example was a joy to listen to 😁🎉

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Shanon!

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

@@BobbyHuff Actually, the MORE I watch your tutorials the MORE I'm really LOVING your music! Have you ever released an instrumental album? I could listen to it ALL DAY 😎👍🎶⚡️

[@BobbyHuff]

@@shanonkiyoshi4784 thanks man! I’m actually working on an entire project but it’s lyrics too. Kind of Beatles, ELO, Queen-ish stuff.

[@shanonkiyoshi4784]

@@BobbyHuff That sounds pretty amazing! Can't wait! The Beatles, Alan Parsons, ELO, BOC, & Pink Floyd are HUGE influences on my "Post Rock" sound, so I'm looking forward to see how their sounds & textures have influenced you 😎👍🎶

[@BobbyHuff]

@@shanonkiyoshi4784 thanks!! Yeah all that stuff is the greatest music in my humble opinion. A lot of bands have captured the 70s sound and vibe of that era but didn’t write great songs. Kinda like an action movie with no story…Im trying to write great songs along with some classic 70s vibe with a small wink at the 80s and now as well…

[@tosacoem5953]

That Darth vader music is actually the emperor theme. It's not in the first star wars. I was in empire strikes back

[@ryananthony4840]

Sounds AMAZING btw!

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Ryan!

[@winstonhulley626]

I love the tremelo guitar! Where is that sound from?

[@thaddeusodonnell3986]

Curious what reverb plugin(s) you use, if your using any specific ones available your getting so many deep verbs. I've been wanting to add a nice reverb plugin as the fee i have are pretty basic, K say strymon recently released a Big Sky plugin which I may try.. unless it costs as much as the pedal haha.

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Thaddeus. I really like the Slate Verb, UA EMT 140, Springverb, The Black Hole for certain things, and the Valhalla stuff as well.

[@yeehah100]

Sounds like the theme from a spaghetti western

[@lukehunnable]

What’s the track?

[@NexusLives]

🤘🤘 Great advice

[@BobbyHuff]

Thanks Nexus.

[@jasonstokes5469]

It's great and all, but I can imagine it being much more difficult in a live performance; isn't it?

[@BobbyHuff]

Not really if you’re playing along with tracks

[@ralphfurley4217]

George Martin did this with The Beatles going back to their first album. They'd add harmonica, cowbell, tambourine, harmony, piano etc. at 8 bar intervals to break up to monotony.

[@BobbyHuff]

BEATLES!!!!

[@matttorrence2900]

Dr. Bob accidentally amputated the wrong limb last time I saw him, but I am not bitter.

[@BobbyHuff]

HAHAHAHA!!!! Oops!

[@TheMichaelseymour]

love what you did - but those hats in the verse ? i would have one soft and the next loud - it sounds too stiff !! ....rest is great tho - excellent vid

[@JakeyWakey]

This day And tiktik age it should be the 4 bar or even 2 bar rule.

[@BobbyHuff]

Haha! I hear ya Jakey.

[@ardiris2715]

So many times I ask, "You write great lyrics, but where are the freaking hooks?" If you are only strumming cowboy chords, don't sing poetry, PERFORM!! (:

[@BobbyHuff]

AGREED!!!!!!!!!

[@zebmrowka7733]

fact.

[@soerenkepler]

So… where is the Mutt Lange study in this? You are adding bits n´stuff to the arrangement every 4-8 bars depending on tempo. Cool. Not groundbreakingly new. Seems a bit clickbaity to include Mutt and not use a handful of his arrangements for analysis. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@petealba707]

I found his example to be more than sufficient to make his point. Now we can all check out the stuff Mutt has produced on KZbin and find examples for ourselves.

[@marcmersol7750]

For hard rock def leppard high and dry album is probably a great example of mutt doing this. You can REALLY hear it with headphones. Pick scrapes, string slides, etc come out of nowhere and then disappear.

[@petealba707]

@@marcmersol7750 I'll check them out! Had both albums years ago and I remember some of the things you mentioned.

[@BobbyHuff]

Hey Soren. Lots of examples from Shania to Def Leppard. No clickbait my friend. I first learned this technique by paying attention to Mutts detail.