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[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Happy to debate with you guys. Let's keep it reasonable, please.

[@Milsimlover274]

Still love you don't really care for the game so I'm not mad about it I probably wouldn't be either

[@Alio197]

But you gotta give it to them, it was designed and made by 2 teenagers.

[@Milsimlover274]

@@Alio197 operator was made by one person and is pretty good

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

@@Alio197 it's cool for it's novelty for sure.

[@Dash62g]

It's a really cool tech showcase. I'll admit I can't argue otherwise. But it's just well-disguised enough to sell people the idea they're playing a different genre of game from what it really is. When you boil it down, it's buggier Insurgency: Sandstorm without 95% of the features.

[@tzav]

people also don't understand that the maps in this game are what makes it look good.. and these are not their own maps. just marketplace assets. and this is why they can't really give you new content or new maps that fit custom game modes.

[@Dash62g]

Very much this. These are stock/marketplace assets made by a professional, or a team of professionals, then formatted into something usable in an arena shooter. There's a limited pool of new content they can pull from before they have to build their own maps. But I imagine this game was never intended to have a long life span. They saw a short-lived fad on the horizon and capitalized on it. Can't blame em too much. The game is still functional (mostly) and the genre of bodycam stuff was only going to be this big for a short time.

[@MysteriousPotatoe]

Yeah there not even maps there just sceneries

[@sefin84]

@@Dash62g nothing wrong with that though. That is why the marketplace with assets exists. I am sure RoN is using some of those as well on Relapse map for example... I love the game anyway :)

[@jake010993]

People just love to moan, awesome game regardless. Had so much fun on this and that's what it's all about. Absolutely blows all recent fps games out of the water

[@iGame360fficial]

Pay 40$ for shit they didn't even make xD What a fucked up dev team.

[@Da1san]

I would love to 'Tactically' try clearing a house with 5lb leg weights on each ankle and all my optics mounted on springs.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Bro this comment is perfect 🤣🤣💀

[@Da1san]

@@ControlledPairsGaming Just wish they would complete Geronimo 😉

[@monsterb2164]

@@Da1sanwe all get that. Let’s hope 👌

[@capolean2902]

@@Da1sanisn’t that vr?

[@StayFrostyOfficial]

I can fix your aim so it doesn't feel like you're aiming with a big rubber dildo. It's on my channel. Makes the game 100 times more enjoyable

[@H8ED1]

It's perspective realism. I think it's a really cool idea. A lot of games try too hard to look real. But the graphical magic they use to make it seem realistic is really damn cool. It's not earth shattering but it's insanely interesting.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

100%! Unfortunately innovative and technically interesting =/= a good nor realistic game.

[@trulyquay6731]

FORTUNATELY INNOVATIVE and technically interesting =/= a GREAT DEVELOPING REALISTIC IMMERSIVE GAME

[@trulyquay6731]

Perspective realism …. Gameplay hopefully develops as realistic as the perspective of it as well

[@grefire1947]

@@trulyquay6731 Depends on how well it's implemented. But its always not the best case.

[@feneomgamer9138]

this game is so damn cursed, the red dot is a magnifier that's cut off...

[@firestriker3580]

This game is not cursed and there is no proof that the red.is a magnifier cut off

[@feneomgamer9138]

@@firestriker3580 sure, look at a G33 magnifier from the back.

[@ZeallustImmortal]

The red dot doesnt magnify at all, its works the same way as it does irl except you cant simulate 2 eyes in a flat screen game.

[@feneomgamer9138]

@@ZeallustImmortal i'm saying it's an eotech G33 magnifier MODEL with its long end cut off.

[@ghostly6175]

looks like a Micro T2 to me

[@pastapesto6038]

Finally someone talking sense about this game. I think people mistake "camera realism" for realism (and/or graphical photorealism). Bodycam absolutely nails camera realism, and because we are used to seeing camera recordings played back on screens, when a game mimics that... on a screen... I think it tricks our brains into thinking it's photorealism. But really it's smoke and mirrors: a collection of carefully chosen shaders and graphical tricks that obfuscate the 3D game engine graphics by conveying (fairly low fidelity) camera artefacts. It does a really good job at this and it's a cool concept for what it is but it's certainly not "realism". I think that lens flare in games is another example of this "camera realism": we don't actually have lens flare in our eyes but we expect it to be there on a screen because it's there in camera footage.

[@flinchfu]

Kane & Lynch Dog Days comes to mind... I actually loved the grainy DV camera aesthetic.

[@jebus456]

You hit the nail on the head. I actually kind of hate the camera effects and typically turn them off when I can... lense flare etc.

[@ZeallustImmortal]

Hmmm, almost like it was named bodycam for a reason. Moron.

[@brawler5760]

@@flinchfuHonestly, I’d put Kane and Lynch 2 Dog Days and Bodycam on the same levels of horrible to play. But Dog Days has SOMETHING, a story

[@hamzakhalil-gs7oc]

I don't understand when people complain about the camera effects when the games whole point is bodycam, it's like in the name, there basically telling to remove it and make it like any other fps

[@GeeNo_]

Isn't Unrecord the game with the trailer that made people go nuts? I thought this game was a reaction to that where the devs rushed it out to capitalize on the hype for Unrecord before it releases so they could get this out before the other studio. If that is the case I hope Unrecord doesn't suffer as a result since it did look pretty good.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Yes. Unrecorded might still be a banger, as it's a narrative solo experience, which lends itself to the bodycam perspective.

[@marianolaguzzi]

Yup, this is literally just a cash grab piggybacking off the unrecord hype. 40$ price tag for early access definitely confirms it

[@battle5218]

You know its the same studio making the games right?

[@zer0924]

⁠@@battle5218 No. No it isn’t. Unrecord is being made by a Developer called DRAMA. Bodycam is by Reissad Studio. Nice try though. Learn to use a search engine before talking out of your ass.

[@GeeNo_]

@@battle5218 ???? Unrecord: Developers: Studios Drama, DRAMA Publishers: Studios Drama, DRAMA Bodycam: Developer: Reissad Studio Publisher: Reissad Studio Thanks for making me fact check myself, next time don't make up stuff for it though.

[@mxyhem5733]

This ones gonna make some people mad, but you spittin facts. Bodycam for me is fun, intense and "immersive" but its not realistic.

[@brawler5760]

Bodycam’s fun, for like 2-4 hours

[@blindalienproductions5589]

As someone who spent 6 years in the military as an infantrymen, my immersion is immediately broken when a game forces my character into stamina drained state after running more than 50 meters. The standards when I was in was that you should be able to march 12 miles with 100+ pounds of gear in 3 hours and engage the enemy effectively.

[@Smitty-]

It's realistic to a gamers perspective, the farthest we march is to the fridge and back.

[@dreblaza18]

Your capping

[@autopotatogun]

@@dreblaza18why would he?

[@KindaGhostyy]

@@Smitty- NOT TRUE! I ALSO KEEP THE DORITOS IN THE CABINET!!!

[@elithesamurai642]

Not everything is going to be hyper realistic in every tactical shooter, the developers have to balance the game and make a well rounded gaming experience. You can find this in some of the best tactical shooters of all time such as Ready or Not, Arma, Squad, Insurgency, and Operator (in it’s current state). These games have a set stamina to balance the experience. My Uncle is a US Marine and he never had a problem with the stamina in shooters like this.

[@TheTerminatorCarrot]

I keep seeing Bodycam pop up in shorts on YT & other socials. I like the premise, but from what I've seen, it does need refinement & to properly define itself. Of what I did see, nothing said "tactical shooter" - to me, it just looks like a mostly standard arcade shooter with some unique styling & quick TTK (nothing wrong with that, assuming that's the intended direction). If the devs truly want to foster an environment around tactical gameplay, they need to make enough changes to the gameplay loop to force players to think about their actions & how the opposing team can counter that, and make them use that information to win the game. Achieving it wouldn't be overly difficult - new gear & new game modes would be a decent start. Alternatively, if they're trying to make an arcade-style shooter with high degrees of immersion & "lite tactical" gameplay (for want of a better term), then they need to re-examine their intent, their target audience and their marketing strategy. There's no point marketing the game in the same vein as games like Squad, Ready or Not, etc., if the game doesn't share the same basic qualities in regards to gameplay. I'd hate to see the game fail, but I think it's likely to if the devs don't seriously examine what they want to achieve with this title. At least they have the Early Access phase to figure that out, I guess.

[@Afflatius]

Finally someone with an honest perspective on this ffs. I've been driven mad with people gooning for this trash. Wish you would have touched on what a blatant asset flip it is as well, it's literally UE5 marketplace shit slapped together with a visual filter

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Should have mentioned it. I traunched it in the "forgiven for EA tech demo jank" pile.

[@Stardomplay]

Why don't you create something better. You calling this game trash and are confused on why so many people are enamored by it almost begs the question on what you think might be considered "good".

[@capolean2902]

maybe u just didn’t like it lol

[@yuutoeu2689]

@@Stardomplay If you knew anything about development you would realize what a standard you have lol He doesn't have to create anything better to see shit :D You guys are just blind and buy a game that has no effort put into it for $30 and still defend your own stupidity

[@jamesmartin8532]

What game did you make? How many downloads did your game get? How many players still play it? Any tips for the developers that made this game since you are the best video game creator of all time.

[@angelvollant864]

You guys ever played, or even heard of "Totally Accurate Battlegrounds"? This game is that, but with a funky filter. I am not joking, look up footage of the game.

[@IcepickMilo]

Wait your actually kinda right xd

[@xxbongobazookaxx7170]

Thanks, I hate it.

[@firestriker3580]

No this game is not that stop lying

[@firestriker3580]

There is no funky filter

[@angelvollant864]

@@firestriker3580 How old are you? I'm saying that Bodycam has wonky controls and that TABG also has wonky control, but Bodycam has a "body camera" type of filter over the screen.

[@fabiopaschoa797]

All that can be said: "I don't like it" / "I like it". Anything else is just "My mom didn't bring me the cookies now I'm pissed" behavior.

[@divisiondevin7885]

Im glad someone finally had the correct take on this game.

[@Nevario1]

There is no correct take on it. It's all subjective. Fun is subjective - so experience the game yourself and judge it for yourself. Some will have fun and others won't. It's that simple.

[@l.3626]

​@@Nevario1there is. Body cam objectevily bad. Just like there is an objective right way to engineer a car, there is also a correct to engineer a game.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

​@@l.3626That's a false analogy if I've ever seen one

[@realmasterchief]

@@l.3626Tell that to the Germans who say they make the best cars, but they’re always breaking.

[@l.3626]

@@Real_Mick3y6 thx for letting me know

[@jameswalker2081]

Speaking of hardcore tactical shooters, there's this really cool Ironman game mode on Ready or Not which I think you'd love......... lol

[@titusyoung141]

I bought it and I have enjoyed it a lot. I was skeptical but I got it and I have to say that body bomb on the worn house map is so fun. I would say buy it and try it and then refund it if you don’t like it. I liked it more than I thought I would.

[@johnnyrocketsttv]

Finally someone talking sense and not just jumping on the bandwagon to hate this game. People that hate on this game just suck at it lol

[@Road_Work_Ahead]

Ive seen a lot of war body cam footage and they absolutely nailed the bodycam feel. Deaths look real and the guns look like they behave correctly. This only really works as a passive veiwer though. It does not translate to a fun and realistic player experience.

[@JohnSapato]

I think your comment sums it up nicely.

[@efeerbas2709]

I think I've been following you since 10k subscribers or something and this video made me realize you really grew as a content creator. Your comments on early videos were mostly focused on the tactical stuff as your knowledge extended further in that aspect. Now you also talk quite a bit about game design and you do it really good. I guess the experience from reviewing all those early access games caught on. Goor content man, keep it up.

[@DioRando98]

They just added the MP5 and red lasers to all the weapons so it's pretty fun for me at least.

[@johnmarston2616]

I went in skeptical but you convinced me

[@zera_5317]

what was the vr game?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

GERONIMO by Dark Matter Studios. Still in development. Did a video on it last week.

[@Jjbeehives]

You technically can use your VR as a monitor with SteamVR app.

[@tylersimpson2937]

You: i love realism! Also you: the gunfire is TOO LOUD!! Lol please

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

That's what you got out of this whole video? The list of things I don't consider to be a big deal. Lol.

[@tylersimpson2937]

@@ControlledPairsGaming No, I also got... You: This game isn't a super realistic fps, but I guess if what they're going for is immersion from a bodycam perspective then it makes more sense Dude, it's a game called bodycam...

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

All of their marketing material calls it a "hyper realistic FPS." It's not that. Ignoring the semantics altogether is fine, too. In which case it's an extraordinarily mid UE asset flip with a reshade preset. Doesn't mean people can't/won't enjoy it. Similarly doesn't mean it's good.

[@capitalistizm]

@@ControlledPairsGamingisn’t the point of a game just to be fun and enjoyable ? point me somewhere else i can find this . your only good point is that it’s an asset flip cash grab . but if anything your video is just a nitpick cash grab in itself

[@suomynonaanonymous9646]

@@capitalistizm Well said

[@Dash62g]

I buy pretty much every game in the tac shooter genre to give it a go and get a feel for it, but this is one of the few I've passed up on. I've been telling my friends for a while now, that the idea of a bodycam perspective shooter is gonna make someone a lot of money, and then the fad will fall off once people get hands on and dislike the lack of precision control. This game, from the get-go, struck me as an inpressive tech showcase, but a very short-lived shallow game. (Which you can say for a lot of games in this genre, but to my knowledge this one doesnt have PvE to prolong it's lifespan in my steam library)

[@Dash62g]

To be clear, I really like games where the gun is precise and exact, but your control of where it's pointing isn't. Like Insurgency Sandstorm, Squad ICO, SCP 5K, ect. I just knew that whatever game released first in this new wave of body-cam shooters was bound to garner interest from outside of the tac shooter games niche. Outside of our niche, the average person wants instant mouse-dpi perfect aiming and this game not having that would turn the larger outside player base off. And player falloff in a PVP-only game like this means you either play during week one when there's still hype, or you miss the wave and get lobbies with exclusively people who are gonna and rinse you by knowing every peek and exploit.

[@Dash62g]

Glad you touched on the casual gamer thing towards the end. "Moving a goalpost" is the perfect way to describe it. Guns not perpetually aiming at the center of the screen is enough of a change to the shooter game status quo, that I guarantee a ton of people are now talking shit about this genre because bodycam was their first impression of the genre, while not having actually even played a game truly in the genre.

[@perellex]

It doesn’t have PVE bc it’s a rip off of the PVE game Unrecord which is still in development lol

[@helix4267]

This is exactly my thoughts, I see bodycam more as a proof of concept more than an actual video game, or at least a video game that’ll last a significant amount of time

[@helix4267]

@@perellexI think BC is it’s own thing, from what I’ve seen unrecord is much more responsive

[@cedlinit1794]

Zero Hour is a great 7.99 game that has an actual chest worn body cam perspective option that is fun for B-roll but awful to play.

[@Justinred87]

I like this real talk shit

[@trofchik9488]

Exactly because playing on a flat screen is not on par with VR helmet cam perspective works. It makes more sense for your brain that you're just watching combat footage on your flat screen then when game attempts to convince you that these hands on the screen are in fact your hands.

[@T0PP4P1]

I agree with most of ur points, but at the same time you have to look at it as a very early testing stage. They say in the bio that the game will be in beta for a year or two before releasing bc of changes and criticism. I guarantee you that the devs will see this video and take most of what you say as really good ideas. Also, a game will never have so much content at testing stages. thats just the way it is lol

[@Protoscope]

How are you gonna tell someone that this isn’t the most realistic game THEY have ever played?

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

I didn't and wouldn't?

[@hotch4421]

Slap a BODYCAM filter on any other game with photorealistic graphics and it’ll look better/the same. It is funny to see people who don’t really know anything about game development calling these graphics “the future of gaming” I would say however it’s a gift for smaller development teams to be able to reach this level of fidelity that would otherwise have taken an entire studio in years prior.

[@BobBob-oz2hf]

This game is more of a tech demo if anything, I dont have an opinion because it isn't a full game technically

[@oldschooldos6850]

I'm just weirded out that someone saw bodycam footage and thought "This would be fun to pretend is happening to you."

[@Jetbat]

1. Concur, TDM is the weakest gamemode. Camping is the optimal strategy and slows it way further than it already is 2. While the control style is harder at first, it's absolutely possible to become proficient with it -- you get a "feel" for where your barrel is pointing so you can get accurate shots on target quickly

[@stepoface]

As it may have many flaws, it is still the most realistic LOOKING game up to date.

[@clmagnet]

I really like the comparison to Squad ICO. A lot of the same frustrations.

[@vltraviolence7640]

A. They didnt say it was realistic, they said and I quote "photorealistic". It was an arcade shooter the moment it was conceptualized, everyone who booted up the game, with the cosmetic loadouts, noisy phonk music, round based objectives, and random weapons have realized that right from playing it. B. The "solution" is not even for the right problem. Cuz the problem doesnt even exist. Nobody said its trying to be a tactical shooter, nobody said its trying to be a mil sim. The game is just changing the perspective of how you play a COD game in UE5, there were no exaggerated promises, there were no hypetrain. Its just 2 french guys trying to make a game they think is cool for their friends and other to enjoy. At the very end of this video, i had zero idea what youre trying to point out. I honestly think its down to what you would consider as realistic. Graphics? Yes, lighting and crazy graphics, this game even has a funstioning mirror. Mechanics? I mean the clip of you shooting is basically 1:1 with the game, gun animations are just sub par. Atmosphere? It can fool the untrained eye, the ragdolls in this game is insane. These makes others would call it realistic, cuz theres no ither simple way to say it.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

"Bodycam is the first ultra-realistic multiplayer, first-person shooter game" The first sentence of the steam description.

[@vltraviolence7640]

@@ControlledPairsGaming thats their steam description before it was even greenlight or the first play test was even released since last year, thats their twitter bio too. Thats cuz theyre not active on social media at all. They realized it doesnt encompasses the entire word of realism thats why their launch trailer they changed it to "photo" realism. Thats the most nit picked excuse bullshit I've ever heard. "Oh the audacity of two frenchies who can't even speak good english to misinterpret MY understanding of what realistic is." The rest of what i said still stands.

[@Theoslife_OFFICAL]

Just remember it is only the early game so the devs are definitely still working on it.

[@productionkos8816]

The visuals look realistic like a cam footage.

[@naorl8866]

Yes but it's only nice for videos, I don't think people fight looking through their cams, personally I didn't like it at all. They sould've let us choose an option from the eyesight.

[@Nna-kv9wd]

90% of the things you mentioned as cons on the game kinda go out the window for me since it was literally 2 people that made the game and one of them is 17 pretty damn impressive

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

It's technically interesting and pretty. Dudes deserve kudos for sure. That doesn't mean it's realistic or good.

[@mightyn00dle64]

Wouldn’t be a bad game if they reduced the weapon swaying all over the place. It’s like when you change what direction you look your characters removes the weapon from his shoulder and then slowly drags it to your sight picture.

[@gr1m375]

Also people calling this realistic have only ever seen combat through a camera lens IMO

[@firestriker3580]

People rightfully saying that this game is realistic has never seen combat through camera lens and has actually seen real combat

[@gr1m375]

@@firestriker3580 well without getting into a pissing match here I respectfully disagree.

[@tylersimpson2937]

Yeah this is a trash take. One of this dudes opening statements was that the gunfire was too loud, but then he goes on to complain about the game not being realistic enough. Well which is it?

[@gr1m375]

@@tylersimpson2937 I think we’re getting away from the main point here. Saying this game is the MOST realistic thing out there is not true. There can be some realistic aspects but it’s not the most realistic. The game leverages the loud gun noises and pretty looking maps and that can be immersive. But not realistic. The gameplay and movement mechanics definitely aren’t realistic. I can get immersed slaying orks at helms deep but I’ll never call it realistic. It’s an interesting and fun style of game but not realistic.

[@suomynonaanonymous9646]

So the majority of who most games like this are marketed to/for..?

[@EngineInformant]

so what are the top fps games we should be focused on right now that ARE available?

[@K3ntucky123]

Ready or not

[@JobSChool-pw5ii]

​@@K3ntucky123is pretty shitty

[@nathanmitchell7961]

Cheers Pairs, i seeing more of these videos once the "SUPER REALSTIIC ULTRA REAL BODYCAM" videos have faded and the hype drops.

[@lachlannossiter2842]

The first time I saw this game, I was really excited. The second time, less so. By now, reality has set in, and it’s clear that this game (as you put perfectly at the end of the video) is nothing more than an hour or so of entertainment. The manoeuvrability of the weapon and your player is just so janky. I stopped playing Squad after 1,500 hours when they made the changes to their combat system, although I can see why they did it. But it just makes zero sense to me why you would do this in a CQC game.

[@kr1skrxw]

Looking for the realism of a gunfight in a video game... interesting... 🤔🧐

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

How do you mean? I've never made that argument.

[@kr1skrxw]

@ControlledPairsGaming Not you specialy, I'm talking about gamers in general who are looking for realism behind a screen and smashing a game for something that technology right now can't offer us.

[@marianolaguzzi]

What I dislike about this game the most is that it just doesn't have a vision. It's not creative at all. The gameplay is classic team deathmatch, what's more uninspired than that? The visual style, although unusual, is literally just a copy of unrecord to beat them to the punch and be the first game with the bodycam look, while everyone was trying filters, reshade and whatnot to make normal games look like that. The maps are even just marketplace assets from what I've heard. There is literally not one thing in this game that is even just a remotely original concept. And that's the thing for me, like unrecord also got all the hype for that super realistic look with the bodycam filter, but that seems to have a vision from I've seen, they make you play as a police officer, with some sort of a story or something. The bodycam makes sense because it's meant to immerse you in that idea of being an officer. In this game however it's just slapped on there because it's the current trend and there's nothing more boring than that. 40$ for an early access game that doesn't have a shred of unique ideas? Hard pass.

[@brawler5760]

This dude was made by 2 dudes, yeah, but the asking price for this? I could just buy the whole STALKER trilogy for that same price and get more mileage outta that. In fact, I can download Anomaly and GAMMA, and use the Bodycam preset mod

[@heirbornelite]

The main thing that turned me off to the idea of this game is the fact that it is called body cam but the camera is clearly on your face. That in and of itself makes it extremely unrealistic. I don’t know what people mean when they say this game is realistic. We mount go pros to our heads at the range or competition but no one puts a body cam on their face smh

[@Battery-acid2]

I’m gonna admit that’s a stupid fucking reason to dislike a game but ok whatever you say.

[@SquibLT]

if you dont look at it from a 'realistic" point of view and just look at it from its just a video game point of view it can be a lot of fun. its a video game not real life.

[@tclucasa]

Great video dude! I appreciate the feedback, I think I'm going to hold off for noe

[@markus9802]

I don’t think I’ve ever enjoyed gun play more in a game as much as body cam. It has a long way to come but can be all we were looking forward to

[@theoboden2368]

I don´t know if this is the best fix for the camping, but they could add an xp boost for moving around or a countdown for sitting still which punish the player when it runs out.

[@devinkb7738]

Graphics look good, but the ability to aim and shoot is trash. He's right this game should be a VR title.

[@meech3077]

I feel like more then half the comments just complaining because their pc cant run it 😂😂

[@warawichwongwan7970]

Pretty fair point all around but the asset flip point is abit weak because it is pretty normal for developer to use market asset it happen to any kind of project and not to mention these developper are 2 teenager , With this kind of result are very impressive . Even if the game doesn't last very long it would serve as a cornorstone to a fps genre in the future in someway of another . Im inlove with the game and im a sucker for any kind of mechanic that separate this game form COD (im pretty burn out form the francise) and its a breath of fresh air for me.

[@kr1skrxw]

The only kind of game that can give you "realism" behind your screen is a reaper drone simulator 😂

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Meh

[@houseofhas9355]

NGl, this game given me headaches and uncomfortable feeling of blurr. Are you suppose to get the full feeling of this game with VR expensive googgles? Its seem like people are just shooting what they can't see. The spray and pray cod method, but a game. 😂

[@xdregon25x55]

This is why pirating exists! Way to expensive for the content. And way to demanding and poorly optimized. Say what you want, but the only winners here again are those developers, which are literally 2 kid, which do or had probably pirate stuff too...

[@TigersStripe]

VR seems like a great solution, but apart from the occasional indie labour of love exclusive to PCVR (like Geronimo, can't wait for it), most VR money is in the Quest right now. The tech limitations of mobile hardware make really detailed, ambitious simulations unlikely. The potential is there but it's not being fulfilled IMHO. It's much cheaper and easier to make shooters on flat screen, so we'll keep seeing more of them there.

[@VirtualRifleSystems]

You confirmed my initial reaction to seeing this game. Realistic looking? For who, maybe other people watching you play. And I could not agree more with the point you made at 11:12... I think everybody should! ;)

[@kwaddamage8286]

im glad someone is saying this. when i saw the vignette, i knew it was more of a "fake" realism. footage from a body camera is not... realistic. its a certain filtered look. why would you want to play a game like that?

[@Agent6-4]

What annoys me today is that games are no longer fun anymore. If i play a game i espect to be able to escape from reality but with todays standards being "if it's not realistic it's shit" Games are just no longer fun and are just eye candy. I tend to play older games because of this. Something thag i find funny aswell is that some people think that everything with a bodycam is super realistic for me it's just obnoxius and it gives me the ick seeing that camera wobbling around like my player character as no neck. Great vid! Loved every second of it

[@3libras903]

It’s going to be interesting seeing a wave of liveleak-core fps games

[@Katalmach11b]

Personally, I never put stock in reviews that say a game is realistic unless I can verify that the person saying it is a cop or veteran. Civilians do not know what realistic is because they don't wear the things we wear during training or deployments. I've never been in combat but I know how it feels to move with a plate carrier on and I know how an M4 feels in my hands when I'm using it. I know how bullets behave when fired and what they'll penetrate. The only thing I don't know from my own experience is how a person reacts when shot. It's easy to tell if a game is "realistic" when you've carried weapons and worn armor in real life

[@bareknucklebrice8009]

Lets also talk about the asset flip maps.. that house map is a modded asset.. i played like 8 varriations of it in other games that have body cam mods so it sort of just eats ass and is late to the punch..

[@capolean2902]

i play vr shooters and fighting games in my backyard or my living room. i move around with my actual body which makes the game more immersive, still gotta use the stick to turn when ur at a weird angle.

[@zZiL341yRj736]

Post processing the game.

[@Kn0cksy]

I have to disagree with the aiming being unrealistic. I actually really appreciate the fact you can point the gun around corners independently of your character, unlike any other fps, but very much like real life. Also, in real life, it is not that easy to go from full sprint to shouldering a rifle and firing it accurately around corners. And yes, his hat mounted footage looked snappier. But that was in a controlled situation with a handgun, moving forward only, and i bet his each shot didnt reset to the last position like nearly every "realistic" shooter and, instead, looked much more like the rapid fire in bodycam. Plus, he stopped moving to shoot. Doing the same moves as him in bodycam looks quite similar to his footage, especially with a pistol, it gets less snappy when you have to change angles, move, etc. If anything, most "realistic" shooters get this wrong, as the gunplay is much snappier than real life could ever be. That's why people usually keep the weapon shouldered and move slowly if aiming AND moving (at least, if they are looking for accurate hits) And stop moving to shoot (as he did in his video). Or point fire while trying to clear quickly. Something this game forces you to do in a somewhat realistic fashion imo. It's definitely not perfect, and i do think the movement is too slow, but i think "realistic" shooters have made people think guns are way too easy to handle, and your eye just instantly centers on the sight you are using. This just isn't the case, whatsoever. As a side note, the more you play, the better you get at circumventing certain drawbacks of the aiming systems in the game. Just as you would from practice in real life. And usually, these tricks are closely connected with real life. Btw , i dont even like bodycam all that much (the gameplay loop and map design are poor, at best). But i truly feel the gunplay is closer to real life than any other "realistic" shooter ever has been, for better and worse I also believe, "taking control" from the player can absolutely add to realism and I find it an odd argument against the game. In real life we have forces acting on us all the time, such as momentum, gravity, recoil (recoil, being an argument against why VR is the end all be all), we just learn to account for these forces. I feel the same can go for any well designed realistic movement system, and it's up to the player to learn to account for/adjust to these things until the game feels fluid. Also, I had paused right before the "realistic" game gatekeeping part at the end and, after watching, it really rubbed me the wrong way. Especially the whole goal posts bit, like, chill bro, so they weren't supposed to make the game because it'll confuse people on what realism is? What exactly should they advertise it as? Even though not a single "realistic" shooter is actually "realistic" to begin with. Am I supposed to play squad and think, "this is what being in modern conflict is exactly like!"? Seems like some goal posts from a few years ago might have gone and confused you into thinking you know what realism is. Maybe you should be mad at them, instead. Tldr: Imagine how the hat cam video would look if you moved around while trying to hit the targets, or had to fully turn left or right. Bodycam looks nearly identical to your video if you copy the movements shown in your hat cam, which made the comparison feel pretty disingenuous.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

You'd love VR.

[@bunbun2181]

Friend bought it, played for just under two hours, lost intrest and refunded it. When a game your expected to pay 30 bucks for 2 hours of engaging gameplay you should start questioning how good it actually is. And dont give me any of the "it´s in early acces, what do you expect?". I expect that a game in early acces has its gameplay nailed down. It needs to have a fun and engaging gameplay loop and a clear roadmap for what the developers want the game to be. Early acces should be a way for developers to se if their game has genuin intrest. Not an excuse to charge 30 bucks for a half finnished game and saying, "we will add more stuff later, trust us bro". Im so tired of this trend, If I´m paying for a full game I expect a full game.

[@DJCoolHandRoo9871]

One word....and its perfect...you ready.......MOCKBUSTER!!!!

[@Boeing__747]

ahhh yess.. the "shaky camera" aspect is the only selling point of this game. this stupid trend has to stop honestly.

[@humanismagenda7]

That is not a trend, that is new. I will defend indie developers like that who are being creative. The only trends in the gaming industry right now are cozy games, farming games, base building sims, mmorpg games, turn based games, souls-like games, extraction shooters tarkov copys, Wow to diablo copys, vampire survivors copys, Overwatch to Valorant clones, league of legend clones etc. There are many new and interesting games. Bodycam, Unrecord are what I'm aware of are some of those, "interesting games."

[@Boeing__747]

@@humanismagenda7 unique ≠ good game. get that in your head. this game honestly makes me wanna throw up, im not even joking.

[@Battery-acid2]

It’s not only the shaky cam it’s the realism some people don’t like the game because it’s loud and some people don’t like it because of the Aiming even though the devs are 17 and 20 and did a better job than most.

[@Boeing__747]

@@Battery-acid2 i agree they did a pretty good job. the game is just lackluster in so many ways.

[@LeFingal]

Unrecorded is actually more realistic! I can't wait till they release that!

[@xxbongobazookaxx7170]

I feel like the squad ICO wasnt really designed to pursue realism but to move gameplay towards their vision by increasing the tactical nature of the game with features that discourage players from sticking their head out under heavy fire or sprinting into the middle of an enemy squad and snapping onto each head through pure mechanics which they deemed problematic to their vision. I feel like bodycam is pretty poorly thought out from the game design perspective, as you mention the gamemode isn't conducive to the genre and the smallest amount of research into rainbow six, zero hour or ready or not could've told them that. It's a very nice looking game built to piggyback on the hype of unrecord with little to no consideration made on actually designing a game or optimising it enough to be playable on average machines and suffers as a result, feels like it's just a bunch of nice workshop assets with a well built shader pretending to be a game.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

Correct on both accounts.

[@golden2420]

Was waiting for this after seeing your twit! Honestly, graphic is cool, but that is it..

[@deluge6479]

Bro looks like Josh Allen lol

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

@@deluge6479 Josh Allen looks like me (I was here first)

[@LITTG_Technician]

Ig I understand, in that, not only is BODYCAM moving goalposts in a genre that does not need goalposts moved, it's also doing it artificially. If you want to give a chance to the people who are interested in making actual tactical shooters, BODYCAM hurts those chances.

[@CODwontons]

I think this is a fair perspective and a good distinction between realism and immersion - i also thought that yes it’s not actually “realistic” but like you said it has things added and exaggerated to give it a stylized feel. I do think it’s fun and if you turn the graphics up it looks amazing imo.

[@disposalll]

that’s pretty fair, but it’s still in early access and these things will most likely be fixed in a few months and these kind of issues are why early access exists

[@FordHoard]

I always thought it looks like a 2010 era Crysis mod with a shaky camera and lots of blur.

[@nicholassheuerman4589]

disclaimer I have not played yet. Im curious though, you mentioned the gunfire loudness as an issue in your opinion. From my perspective, this element seems to increase the realism since guns are very loud (assuming no ear pro) and I would think it adds to realism instead of taking away. For instance, I love ground branch, but I think the sfx weapon volume is not loud enough and does not have enough "reverb" i.e. when shooting in an open area I would like to hear the extended sound of the round - similar to Arma III or Operation Harsh Doorstop - which are games I think do the sfx really well. Thoughts? edit- just read its not that big of a deal for you. :) Final words on my end, I do think the game should be appreciated for what it is, insanely realistic graphics and a unique style of gameplay. To each their own, love the game or hate it, either way its all good.

[@arieskosiorek5222]

It's not the games fault, it's the influencers fault for the 'realistic' stereotype. It's an immersive game with a lot of realistic tones. The camping argument and movement is, because you would be stressed in that scenario, and it's not trying to be a movement shooter. For the VR stuff, not everyone has VR or money for the VR prop guns and money shouldn't stop someone from being in a community. I will be happy to see anyone's point of view on this.

[@ControlledPairsGaming]

@@arieskosiorek5222 the steam description describes it as a hyper realistic shooter.

[@arieskosiorek5222]

I'd like to state an apology.

[@codenamedingo6271]

Agreed, to touch another point on the anti realism front, taking 5 business days to get a sight picture on an optic is completely unrealistic, anytime i tried to pan left or right, even just slightly, the sight picture completely disappears. It's as if they dont understand how a cheek weld works or how easy it is to hold a sight picture when scanning left to right or up and down. That aspect completely made me not want to touch the game until its further developed.

[@coltonsmith21]

Gonna be honest, saw your post on twitter, came in expecting to fully disagree with you, but youre 100% right.

[@ryean1_aus]

Really good critique. Reminds me of the realism vs. authenticity debates of SWAT 4, RON.

[@lucassantana7930]

Tried this game today, and imma say that it’s not as realistic as people say, it looks really realistic while watching on a smaller screen, but once you’re in it, you can really see how much it’s just an under-average looking game with a filter to hide it all.

[@redpillwill686]

Yeah, VR is just the way to go for the "realistic movement" look

[@helix4267]

To me, Bodycam seems like more like a proof of concept rather than an actual video game

[@VisceraOpus]

I think its really immersive and plays out very...tactically. I agree it is using immersion to develop a false sense of reality but it kinda works. I feel like im controlling a little dude from his hat. And im not sure how much all that ammo and gear is going to slow you down, but i do think it would help to add some weight burdening physics to the weapons. Maybe check how fast you are with a plated vest and a rifle slung over your back Overall i think you put forth some good feedback and i would think the devs could use something like that in the discord

[@l.3626]

If karmakut didnt make a video on it, then one can be sure its not realistic 😂

[@DracoAvian]

Yeah, I never thought the gameplay looked terribly compelling. I think it's the amount of times you watch people just fukkin full send through doorways, no pieing, no self-preservation instinct, no nothing, just full send. Cool for a tech demo, but really just kinda looked like janky jank the shooter. The camera is pretty neat, but I think where it belongs is as a camera option in a replay lobby. Like how much better would this look if you played an op in Ready Or Not or Arma or some other tactical shooter, and in the replay you could cycle through body cams, helmet cams, active isr feeds, with audio and radio traffic going through the 'gopro' filter. Would be pretty easy to edit up into something really special. TL;DR Neat visual tech demo looking for a game. Looks like it should be a camera filter for replays of established tactical shooters.

[@LtDogoop]

Agreed with all that was said

[@neonnex9557]

The real good game in this kind of style is going to be unrecord as they make their own models in this game it's just all free assets so they cant or wont really update the game

[@Sceptre1]

When the front site post of a stock M4/M16 (don't recall of what it was) float away from the read sight I was done with the game

[@andrewpaull7485]

I don't really need the bodycam filter, and the gamemodes aren't my thing. And I definitely consider it more a tech demo. But as far as the gunplay it's easily the most enjoyable I've played. Loved the gun movement/sound. I didn't find it slow either & found it refreshing not to have a fixed gun camera, wish more games went this route for flat screen tbh. I don't play vr so my opinion may change if did, but being able to move gun without camera fixed feels great.

[@Cashmere_Gaming]

Devils Advocate: I love this take however the same “THIS GAME IS INSANE, REALISTIC, AMAZING!!” Type videos were also made for games like Grey Zone, Ground Branch, Operator, Squad etc. Because most of these games actually sponsored a lot of content creators I feel that the criticisms they deserved weren’t given because of that. Grey Zone was hyped so much and was technically flawed and empty and you barely see people talking, streaming or posting about it since its release. I don’t think your opinion on Bodycam is wrong but I hope to see more videos like this for these half baked milsims in the future.

[@OsaculnenolajO]

All these concerns seem totally reasonable to me. The game looks awesome, but its very clearly not a finished product. At the moment its a really cool tech demo for a bodycam shooter, that also happens to have team deathmatch. Many of its systems are unbalanced and/or mismatched for a PVP shooter, and it simply does not have the competitive game modes to properly support its combat.

[@petervan333]

I think "Bodycam" is o.k., but I prefer to wait for "Unrecord" because I think that game is going to be 10 times better

[@grigoryalexandrovitchpecho6934]

Love that you included the real helmet cam perspective for comparison, should help put this silly gaming trend to rest.

[@SekaiNoMaster]

basically [Bodycam] is a counterstrike source for Unrecord which will be Half life 2. - - ) )) kind of like an experimental project where they trying to figure out player's behavior toward something very experimental.... its just too damn expensive.

[@eskild9917]

The game seems like itd make for good like framework for making propaganda found footage type stuff for people that dont know anything about what that kind of stuff looks like, (people have done this with arma 3 in the past for example)

[@Legiey]

It looks a lot more releastic when watching gameplay, but when i played it, it didn't look that good as its hyped up to be

[@joshmoreau6023]

The more clips I see of Bodycam, the worse it gets

[@clouded_arrow6440]

At the end of the video you brought in VR, I choose not to utilize VR and I do appreciate the idea of this type of play style but I wouldn’t buy it until it was refined, wether this game or the next down the road.