Bold and the Beautiful - 2003 (S16 E182) FULL EPISODE 4068

[@gugugal1211]

It was nice to watch Macy and Deacon put all their history together. Will make for a great alliance later

[@annieo6527]

"You may find this hard to believe, but Jackie is Nick's mother." We _all_ find that hard to believe. 😂

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

Jackie's ATTRACTIVE

[@Marcus_1001]

Seriously! Lesley-Anne Down is only FIVE years older than Jack Wagner. 🙄

[@TriniT21]

Why is he having this convo with his dad in front a total stranger tho 😒

[@Marcus_1001]

@@TriniT21 IKR?

[@orifeldman3213]

Annie, motice how Macy said what you’ve been saying all along, that Deacon was the only one who suffered consequences from him and Brooke

[@FayeIL]

It was a small, throwaway moment, but I really enjoyed Macy’s horrified reaction to finding out about Breacon and Hope’s lineage: “Brooke had an affair with her own daughter’s husband, and then she has the nerve to say you’re not fit to know your child?!” FINALLY someone has an appropriate reaction to Breacon! And it made sense that Macy, who has such a caring, protective, mother, would react the way she did.

[@annieo6527]

I thought about that too. Macy's reaction to finding out about Brooke and Deacon was the first time in a while that we've seen a _normaI_ reaction to this news.

[@TriniT21]

Deacon is in the music business and doesn't recognise Macy who was an international singer.... 😂

[@annieo6527]

And apparently he read about her in the paper too. Guess he never saw her picture.

[@Html962]

I wouldn’t call Macy international singer, karaoke singer maybe 😅

[@annieo6527]

@@Html962 since she had a singing career in more than one country, she is by definition an international singer.

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 right. And piles of fan mail. Clearly not just from karaoke lol. Maybe that poster missed the entire season with the concert in Rotterdam

[@jackieesposito4073]

This is such a good point!! Like Jackie not knowing Ridge!! Duh😂

[@annieo6527]

For the first time in years, someone remembers that Little Eric is actually Becky's son. And that he was supposed to be raised as a Spectra. This underlines the nice plot symmetry going on here - Rick brought Deacon into the child's life to get him _away_ from the Spectra family, and now Deacon will end up marrying Macy, bringing the child _back_ into the Spectra family.

[@686JM]

@annie06527 Since you're quick to toss out spoilers, then you also know that the child goes back to the Forrester family, Deacon goes on a hiatus, and Macy ends up being permanently written out from the series 😢

[@annieo6527]

@@686JM actually, I didn't remember where the child goes after this season. He goes back to the Forrester family? I thought he wasn't seen again.

[@funney122]

Ridge's reaction to learning that Jackie is nicks mother is priceless

[@leviaj1]

Little Jimmy Cooper sure did dodge a bullet when he chose a surfing career over Brooke😝.

[@dodge086]

Ended up married to Julie Cooper for a while! lol

[@sharonstewart4882]

That fake looking set makes Brooke seem like she's in Brad's bath t u b rather than the ocean.

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

very bad set indeed

[@sharonstewart4882]

Thumbnail looks like Thorne 2 kissing Thorne 3 😂

[@VanessaLutz11]

There we go 😂❤

[@sharonstewart4882]

@@VanessaLutz11 You know I was looking for the opportunity 😂

[@annieo6527]

*The new Macy?* As much as I love Macy, I don't quite know what to make of the way she's being written here. She is different. In the restaurant, she was bitter and confrontationaI, and it is quite out of character for her and really breaks her "Good Girl" archetype. It's not that she doesn't have a reason to be upset with Brooke (and she _is_ telling a lot of truths), and it's even understandable that a character who has been through what Macy has been through _would_ be bltter and even desire revenge. It's just not a good look for _this particular_ character - Macy holding grudges for years, or wanting to get back at someone, is simply not something we would expect her to do. She is too compassionate and forgiving (she even became friends with Karen), and also not usually active enough as a driver of plot (the exception being the Anthony storyline where she had no choice but to act in order to defend herself and the man she loved). The only way this sudden change in behavior makes sense is if it is actually a kind of _breakdown_ - Macy almost lost controI and nearly started drinking again, but it seems that she didn't actually overcome those impulses as much as _suppress_ them - and then they just resurface somewhere else (the leader of the AA group said something similar to Deacon just the other day, suggesting that Deacon's need to find a purpose in life was not a way of dealing with his problem but a _distraction_ from the problem). If this is a kind of reaction to Macy losing the family she thought she would have, a "relapse" without actually falling off the wagon, it could still be (nearly) in character. But if this is what the writers are going for, it's not well-articulated enough. And as much as I would like seeing Macy win after what Brooke did to her, I don't want it to happen at the expense of Macy's character. If Macy were to get revenge on Brooke but lose her moraI high ground in the process, that would actually be a _loss._ I understand the fans who root for their character to win no matter how, but I feel differently - I'm not interested in seeing a character I care about win if it means that they are transformed into _another_ character. And being a Good Girl, there is only so much Macy can do in terms of "revenge" _while still being Macy._ Go further than her character archetype allows, and Macy loses even if she wins, because the person triumphing will _no longer be her._ In that case, I'd much rather see her be herself and lose. Writing for the Good Girl character type is a balancing act because she has so many things she _can't_ do without going out of character. But in this case, the (possibly) OOC writing is completely unnecessary. All the writers had to do to keep Macy in character was to wait longer before she discovers Deacon's connection to Brooke, thus ensuring that her motivation for helping Deacon connect with his children is truly idealistic rather than motivated by revenge. Another way to keep Macy in character would be to make the connection clearer between this situation and the Anthony storyline, so that from Macy's perspective she actually _is_ doing the same thing now that she did then, that is, flghting for justice. But I suspect there is quite a simple explanation because there is a very clear pattern in the writing here - that of the destruction of every character who has a vaIid reason not to like Brooke. First it was Taylor (who simply died). Then it was Stephanie (Ridge's paternity). Then it was Bridget (falling in love with Ridge). And now Macy is being made to look like Brooke's antagonist, when it was in fact the other way around. In order for Brooke to look better in a storyline where she is actually in the wrong (keeping Hope away from her father), Macy must be made to look worse, even if it means writing her out of character. And even then it doesn't work, because Macy is actually _right._

[@hraslan]

When was Macy a good girl? She started her marriage by cheating on Thorne. She had an unstable marriage.

[@annieo6527]

@@hraslan let's see... she _never once_ went after another woman's man, her only affair was more than a decade ago, she didn't scheme or pIot, she always tried to stop her mother from doing shady things at Spectra, she forgave Karen, she forgave Thorne over and over, she forgave her father, she forgives Darla, she risked her life to get Thorne out of jaiI, she was a loyaI loving daughter and sister, she got Donna a job as a Spectra lead model simply because Donna had found her lost wallet... Macy has been consistently portrayed as a Good Girl archetype. Her sleeping with Jake one time in 1991 doesn't change that.

[@sharonstewart4882]

Great analysis Annie! 👏👏👏 I will admit I love seeing Macy (and Taylor) stand up for themselves more so I'm guilty of that fan thing you described. I guess the Good Girl archetype doesn't really appeal to me and I want my faves to show a little more spunk (like Stephanie). That said, you're absolutely right about what Brad is doing to all the characters (and why) and it will be even worse for Taylor when she comes back.

[@ahy4234]

​@@hraslanBut in the same breath justify everything Brooke did? Brooke has constantly acted recklessly and self-centered and you all still defend her.

[@VanessaLutz11]

To some people, the definition of “good girl ” is simply being chaste and/or faithful to a man regardless of his own transgressions.

[@ahy4234]

It is always extremely telling that both Ridge and Brooke only talk about their shared history in terms of "what they went through together." As if this is a positive indicator of a well-functioning relationship. It just shows you that they constantly had some kind of problem. In any case, I can't remember a time when they had a relationship that had anywhere near the stability and solidarity that Tridge had.

[@TriniT21]

Ridge and Brooke's relationship was completely one sided, if they would be honest. Brooke wanted to marry Ridge forever, and Ridge never wanted to marry Brooke unless his wives were d e ad. That doesn't sound like they went thru anything together.

[@babs4848]

Not only did she mess up his relationships with Caroline and Taylor ( of course he liked it and he thought of her as a victim who needed sympathy and that's his fault) but Bridge has never had romantic SLs. The way Ridge longed for Caroline for example or for Taylor after her first de ath or when he thought she was pregnant with Thorne. He has never loved this way Brooke. Things are going to change, but this writer is not good enough to portray them as a romantic couple.

[@MiriamStigsdotter]

Haha, Ridge was funny here when talking to Eric, Jackie showing uo. So discrete, still so expressive 😊👌

[@babs4848]

Ridge and Brooke history: only words never facts. The least romantic couple of the show ever. The romantic sls were all for Cridge and Tridge, when Ridge is involved.

[@galoutlaw8089]

One sided history of stalking/rebound

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

The Mattress is alienating Deacon from his children. Macy's right

[@TriniT21]

@@PaulBonds-k2r and honestly it isn't like Brooke even cares that much about Nope (def not about lil Eric), Or any of her children for that matter to warrant all this fake angst about Deacon. He can't be any worse of a father than she has been of a mother. Only reason Brooke wants to keep Deacon away is not even for Bridgit's sake (bc as far as she's concerned she's apologised and that's that).. But really to keep the wider public of finding out so she can keep whatever reputation of a good mother she has out there

[@FayeIL]

It’s interesting that while Ridge is clearly being portrayed as rude and boorish in his conversation with Jackie, he’s actually being a reliable narrator *and* providing accurate foreshadowing. He’s flat out telling Jackie that he and Brooke break up periodically, and she uses other guys (even marries and gets pregnant by them!), but they’re only a diversion until he becomes available again. He also tells Jackie that Nick is in “way over his head” (a sea-related metaphor for the captain, perhaps). And he may be arrogant, but he’s right, about all of it. And Nick could have been spared a lot of pain if Jackie had taken him seriously. The truly funny part is that Jackie hears - from the mouth of the man who loves her - that Brooke uses and discards men like they’re H&M sweaters, and rather than being appalled and wanting her son away from that mess, as any normal mother would do, she’s just charmed by Brooke *more* and becomes determined to have her as a daughter in law.

[@annieo6527]

Only goes to show that Nicky and Jackie are just there to be cheerIeaders for Brooke. Jackie seems to actually _enjoy_ the thought that her son has to compete for the woman he wants.

[@TriniT21]

@@FayeIL I said the same thing.. She seems enamoured by her son "winning" Brooke the a man eater. And this, after she was in such a huff at Massimo on that same topic.

[@FayeIL]

@@TriniT21Good point re Massimo. Like Brooke, I guess she doesn’t like romantic situations that are easy . . .she just wants Nicky to “win”.

[@PaulBonds-k2r]

They missed out on good storylines they could of did on this show. I would like to have seen Stephanie with another man on her arm instead the writers keep her with Spineless Eric.

[@LINDAVanHaestregt]

BROOKE AND NICK FOREVER ❤ - GOING BACK AGAIN.

[@ahy4234]

Well. Not really. Dear Brooke needs as much attention as possible from all men and will soon end up with Ridge again.

[@galoutlaw8089]

Just another for the log book.

[@annieo6527]

What's with all that smoke coming out of the water? Are they rowing around in a giant cauldron?

[@dlcalbaugh]

I think they are trying to make it look like fog. LOL

[@TriniT21]

Brooke is like Sea Witch.. A cauldron is her prop😂

[@galoutlaw8089]

​@@TriniT21😂

[@babs4848]

All the things Ridge had gone through those past years are mostly Brooke's fault trying to have him while he was in love with someone else. I don't need to make a list , and yes he liked it but he never chose her when the option was available.

[@mara4450]

Ridge doesn't mind to discuss private matters with his dad in front of that stranger, but wait, 9:04 that stranger dares to speak up? 👀 😂😂

[@lil_jon411]

And to make it more weird and unbelievable, Jackie doesn’t feel the need to excuse herself while they talk and instead listen in on these strangers conversation and even intrudes, and ridge actually welcomes her opinion instead of rightfully telling her to mind her business.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

So we finally discover that Ridge leased out Taylor's Malibu house.

[@xdarkbrianx]

I never did understand how old Jackie and Nick were supposed to be.

[@TriniT21]

When was Brooke surfing and sailing all summer tho? Thought she was working 10 jobs during high school to help make money bc her family was poor (you know, lest we forget she blames Steph for taking away her chance to have a nice cushy life growing up)? Now, she's some kind of california surfer girl? Man, is there anything this Brooke can't do? 😂 Meanwhile, Brooke's basically telling nick this spot isn't so "special" to her bc she's been there b4 making out with someone else.. And he's still enamoured 😂😂😂. He deserves Brooke at this rate.

[@sharonstewart4882]

😂😂😂

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

I was like WTF? He and Brooke are a lot alike. They do deserve ach other.

[@sharonstewart4882]

Trish you asked if there's anything Brooke can't do. She can't keep h e r l e g s c l o s e d. 😂

[@TriniT21]

@@sharonstewart4882 😂😂 I stand corrected!

[@galoutlaw8089]

😂😂😂

[@hopeaiden6639]

Macys lost her marbles yall😂

[@scor66]

And the canonisation goes on....😂

[@mara4450]

6:46 Deacon leaves out the part when he had been willing to sell his son over to the Forresters and changed his mind when they tried to screw him over (tried to cheat Deacon out of the money by recording the negotiation) or when he had played house with Amber.

[@annieo6527]

Or the part where Little Eric would have grown up as Macy's nephew if Deacon hadn't helped Rick stop CJ's wedding.

[@mara4450]

@@annieo6527 Will CJ ever get the chance to tell Macy about that day and how CJ and Sally got to meet Deacon for the first time? 😂(Macy's mother threatening to call some friends who would hand Deacon his teeth). 🤣🤣 Macy has missed out on a lot of things. But she might still be a bit shocked how quickly her little brother almost ended up married to Amber (when he had just been married to Becky before Macy's "death") and how quickly Amber then dropped CJ. Did Macy nowadays even get to learn about CJ's feelings for Bridget and how he competed with his half-brother Mark?

[@annieo6527]

@mara4450 the strange thing is how Macy and CJ have barely interacted since she returned.

[@Html962]

@@annieo6527I told you that Macy does not care about anyone else but herself much less CJ.

[@annieo6527]

@@Html962 which parts of the writing for the character give you that impression? If she only cares about herself, why would she be encouraging Deacon to see his kids before even knowing who he was?

[@kayschultz4113]

Eric spending a lot of time at the beach house. Nick was just a filler until Brooke gets Ridge. Macy and Wyatt said the same thing about Brooke & Hope, they wan't what they don't have. Brooke & Nick didn't use life jackets? Ridge was right; Brooke & Nick didn't last

[@StephWrites-id6cx]

U&ly Brooke. L o o k l i k e b a r n a c l e on boat.

[@alicia-rs4ef]

Jackie and Ridge off to a bumpy start

[@mara4450]

Seems to become the running theme on B&B. Massimo and Ridge off to a bumpy start. Nick and Massimo off to a bumpy start. Nick and Ridge off to a bumpy start. Jackie and Stephanie off to a bumpy start. Jackie and Amber off to a bumpy start. Now Jackie and Ride off to a bumpy start.

[@MariaPerez-sb1xp]

When Macy asked Deacon:"Nobody knows that your Hope's father?" I immediately thought of a synonym for the holy spirit. At least Deacon looks more like a priest when he's all tuxedoed up like that without his visible goatee. He bleached it to match his highlights. Lol.

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

really macy you can blame brooke all you want but you went to italy and hide from thorne no one forced you to do that and no one forced you to comeback

[@irisnevizade2311]

Ruh hastası Macy Thorne ikinci kez elinden kaçırmanın acısını Brooke’un yüzüne kapattığı kapı olan Deacon’ın altına yatmakla buldu! Kendi hayatlarını yaşayamıyorlar Brooke takıntısı ve kıskançlığı ile delirmiş durumda 😅

[@hollywill2226]

Drunk in a dinghy with a stranger. Great mother eh???

[@kimkalisek1746]

Macy lol ! Deacon is no innocent

[@annlavine3576]

Deacon did not mention the number he pulled on Amber

[@nancytautuaa8996]

Of course they're still hiding Brookes affair with Deacon

[@irisnevizade2311]

Brooke ve Nick sahnelerini seviyorum sıcak içten heyecanlı ve eğlenceli tutku ve aşkı yaşıyorlar anı yaşıyorlar. Brooke diğer kadınlar gibi psikolojisi bozuk değil milleti konuşmuyor dır dır etmiyor. Erkekler onunla mutlu çünkü bir erkeği mutlu edecek her şeye sahip Brooke Logan! Brooke’tan ayrılmak zorunda kalan erkekler hayatlarında Brooke olmadan hep mutsuz hep kendilerine dönmesi için hayal kuruyor ❤

[@VjAdrasaVideos]

i just love jackie!make ridge to lost his arrogant face

[@agnes77741]

Please do not use plastic cups to drink water.

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

Deacon says that like it would've mattered, he still would've sucked up to Brooke (5:27) Also Deacon doesn't seem like much of a reader (0:25)

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

I wonder where Nick left the beard he shaved off in episode 4065. He doesn't seem like the hygienic type.

[@memento-_mori]

The beard is right there with him: 9:58

[@tiroyaonejustinphologolo9763]

@@memento-_mori 🤣 😂

[@VanessadoraHill]

Ridge is really pitiful,they cant blame Taylor.

[@Lucidmoon7]

All these guys fall at brooke's feet

[@annlavine3576]

what is wrong with them?